Date: 12/07/2016 04:07:33
From: monkey skipper
ID: 922163
Subject: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-equation-tallies-odds-of-life-beginning1/?WT.mc_id=SA_TW_SPC_NEWS

When life originates on a planet, whether Earth or a distant world, the newborn life-forms may have to overcome incredible odds to come into existence—and a new equation lays out exactly how overwhelming those odds may be.
The creators of the equation hope it can connect diverse areas of research that aim to answer long-standing questions about the origins of life, much like how the famous Drake equation pulled together research concerning communications from intelligent life.
“The idea of the equation, at some level, is to try to connect the unknown, presumably microscopic events that … give rise to the first thing that we would call a living system—to connect those microscopic components to the macroscopic fact of whether a planet has life starting on it,” Caleb Scharf, an astrophysicist at Columbia University and lead author of the new work, told Space.com.
The Drake equation, originally penned by astronomer Frank Drake in the 1960s, laid out a series of terms estimating how many intelligent extraterrestrial civilizations likely exist in the Milky Way. The equation takes into account factors such as the rate of star formation in the galaxy, the fraction of planets where life emerges, and the fraction of that life that gains intelligence and the capability to broadcast its presence into space. Over the years, the equation has acted as a road map for researchers searching for communications signals created by intelligent civilizations beyond Earth. Scharf and his co-author Lee Cronin, a chemist at the University of Glasgow in Scotland, hope to provide a similar road map to researchers trying to work out how—and how often—life forms on a given planet.
“It came out of a moment in the field where we were trying to bring some cohesion to this study of origins of life,” which is notorious for its disparate areas of focus, Scharf said. “To my mind, what this equation is trying to do, or at least trying to prompt people to think about, is how you make that connection—how do you go from some story about how life may have originated on Earth to a quantitative assessment of the probability that that happened, and what that means for life elsewhere in the universe,” he said.

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Date: 12/07/2016 04:15:48
From: monkey skipper
ID: 922164
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SERIES OF STEPS

The new equation breaks down the process of abiogenesis—the formation of life from nonliving components—into a series of simpler factors. Those factors incorporate the planet’s conditions, the ingredients needed to form life and the likelihood of those ingredients getting into the right configuration for life to emerge. As with the Drake equation, each of the terms is straightforward to describe, but each hides additional complexity and room for new research.

The formula is …
<N abiogenesis="" (t)=""> = Nb . 1/ <no> . fc . Pa . t

The average number of origin-of-life events for a given planet = (number of building blocks on planet) × 1/(average number of building blocks needed per “organism”) × (availability of building blocks during time t) × (probability of assembly in a given time) × time. Credit: Caleb Scharf and Lee Cronin
On the left, the equation considers the average (mean) expected number of origin-of-life events for a given planet. To get there, it takes into account the number of potential “building blocks” for life on the planet, the average number of building blocks needed to create a living system, the availability of those building blocks during a given time and the probability of that assembly happening during that time.
On Earth, building blocks for life take the form of amino acids, lipids and certain essential metals. Somewhere else, though, an entirely different set of ingredients could create enough complexity to form life—the equation doesn’t assume any specific set is necessary.
“We’re being kind of sneaky,” Scharf said. “I think it’s one of the beautiful things about it: If you write the equation this way, you don’t necessarily have to worry about all the fine, fine details, but what you do do is, you start to break open the factors that you might be able to put some numbers to.”
For instance, if you know the size of a planet and its composition, you can begin to estimate how many potential building blocks for life there are on the planet. To calculate whether those building blocks are actually available to form life, you’d have to know more about the conditions on the planet, such as its temperature, which could render some of the blocks unusable or inaccessible. For example, these blocks could be unusable or inaccessible if they’re always in gaseous form or if water is not readily available—although future research might show that life could emerge in more scenarios than scientists currently know about.
In that way, the equation “links where people in exoplanetary science may actually begin to get some data, on the size of planets, the composition, and so on, to the piece that we still don’t really understand but we know must have some kind of probability of happening”: how it is that life first begins, Scharf said.
A TRILLION TEST TUBES

The value Pa, which is the probability that life will assemble out of those particular building blocks over a given time, is murkier—and much more interesting. If the value of Pa is very low, it’s extremely unlikely that life will form even when the ingredients are there—potentially explaining why humans haven’t yet happened to create life in the lab, even if scientists have used the right ingredients, Scharf said. But a planet-wide “lab” would increase the odds that life-creating events will occur.
“We might have to wait 100 million years for it to fall into place just in a test tube,” Scharf said. “Whereas on a planet scale, you’ve got a trillion test tubes—probably even more than that. It’s conceivable that, using this equation, playing these games, is hinting at a possible explanation for why we haven’t seen life miraculously appearing in our laboratories, that … there’s some subtle thing that has to happen that really doesn’t happen often.”
And if the scale is larger than planetary, Scharf said, that could further increase the likelihood of life forming. Early Earth and Mars, for example, were cultivating their own, separate chemistries, but the early solar system was chaotic; impacts with other solar system bodies could have resulted in material exchanges between the two planets. That would have led to even more “test tubes“—the chemical mixing could have allowed even more interactions to occur, potentially hitting the right combination, Scharf said.
If multiple planets exchange materials, it could lead to a sort of “chemical amplification could, in principle, be hugely important,” he said. “It could be all the difference between getting life to occur or not, especially when we’re dealing with such tiny, tiny probabilities on the microscopic scale of something going right,” he added.

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Date: 12/07/2016 04:17:18
From: monkey skipper
ID: 922165
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

FACTORING OUR IGNORANCE

Scharf hopes that the new equation can bring together the different areas of research that relate to each of the equation’s terms. For instance, the equation provides an opportunity to combine detailed examinations of far-off exoplanets, chemical research about how different molecules in different physical states can interact to generate complexity, and investigations of the smallest possible units that can exhibit living traits. Combining these areas of research, in turn, could help to link scientists’ large-scale understanding of exoplanets to the microscopic chemical interactions, Scharf said.
“It’s not an answer; it’s a new tool for trying to think about the issues involved,” Ed Turner, an astronomer at Princeton University, told Space.com. Turner was not involved in the work, but the paper’s definition of the left-hand probability—the expected number of origin-of-life events—draws heavily from his work to allow for incorporating scientists’ uncertainty about the origins of life based on observations of life on Earth (and how much weight to give those observations).
“To really put numbers on those, to think very specifically about a lot of the factors in their equation, will require a lot more knowledge about exoplanets than we have now,” Turner said. “We may be decades off from being able to talk about things like the total mass of building blocks on a planet’s surface and things like that.”
Turner pointed out that the same was true about the Drake equation: Scientists have been able to quantify only some of the terms recently, such as the number of potentially habitable planets. Therefore, the equation could become more useful as the science progresses, he said. In the meantime, it can act to “divide our ignorance into different factors” and focus research on those different components, Turner added.
But some of the factors—especially biological ones, such as the switch from nonliving to living organisms—may not be understood anytime soon, he said.
Paul Davies, an astrobiologist at Arizona State University who was not involved in the study, also said that the term that incorporates the probability of nonlife becoming life will be among the hardest to define.
“We don’t know the mechanism whereby nonlife turns into life, so we have no way of estimating the odds … It may be one in a trillion trillion (it’s easy to imagine that), in which case, Earth life may be unique in the observable universe,” Davies told Space.com in an email. “But Pa may be quite large. We simply can’t say.”
“Setting that aside, I think the remaining terms are discussed in a very useful way as a conceptual framework for research,” he added.
To get a grip on that probability, humanity would have to encounter another instance of life’s emergence beyond our own for comparison. Future observatories that can see exoplanets in more detail, like the James Webb Space Telescope, may be able to detect signatures from life in earlier forms than Drake might have thought we’d spot—life on the microscopic scale rather than life actively communicating with humanity. That kind of data could help illustrate what other forms life can take.
The work also mentions the possibility of life arising multiple times using different building blocks—for instance, that some form of life that previously existed on Earth, or one that exists currently but is unknown to science, came into being separately from our brand of life with a totally different chemical vocabulary. Davies said that a good step toward narrowing down the likelihood would be to investigate Earth’s own organisms for evidence of this possibility.
“We just need one other sample of life (second genesis) and the field is transformed, because we would know Pa can’t be exceedingly small,” Davies said. “And that sample might be right here on Earth. Frankly, almost nobody has looked.”
The new work was detailed July 4 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
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Date: 12/07/2016 05:59:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 922167
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

I’ve done a bit of looking into this part of the Drake equation. Let’s see if they’ve got it right.

No, they haven’t. The equation works only for single-step abiogenesis, which is such an incredibly unlikely event that it can be ruled out completely. The equation doesn’t take into account the possibility of abiogenesis as an evolutionary process, the so-called “metabolism first” origin of life.

Making an equation for an evolutionary abiogenesis would lead to a more complicated equation. Such an equation needs to sum the imbalance between creation and destruction rates over all possible evolutionary paths.

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Date: 12/07/2016 06:10:14
From: monkey skipper
ID: 922169
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

Thank for adding the photo.

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Date: 12/07/2016 09:54:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 922237
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

monkey skipper said:


Thank for adding the photo.

Screendump, crop, save, upload, click to copy, paste. Any other photos you want?

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Date: 12/07/2016 20:15:31
From: monkey skipper
ID: 922714
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


monkey skipper said:

Thank for adding the photo.

Screendump, crop, save, upload, click to copy, paste. Any other photos you want?

Screen dump?

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Date: 13/07/2016 02:03:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 922891
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

probably the “PrtSc” or “Print Screen” button on keyboard

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Date: 13/07/2016 16:51:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 923161
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

SCIENCE said:


probably the “PrtSc” or “Print Screen” button on keyboard

Yep.

I’ve been looking at the John Horton Conway game of life yesterday and today.

The equation above can be applied to this game, because it’s a single step abiogenesis.

I can’t help wondering if it’s possible to modify the cellular automation to allow it to simulate an evolutionary multistage abiogenesis.

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Date: 14/07/2016 08:17:15
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 923508
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


I’ve done a bit of looking into this part of the Drake equation. Let’s see if they’ve got it right.

No, they haven’t. The equation works only for single-step abiogenesis, which is such an incredibly unlikely event that it can be ruled out completely. The equation doesn’t take into account the possibility of abiogenesis as an evolutionary process, the so-called “metabolism first” origin of life.

Making an equation for an evolutionary abiogenesis would lead to a more complicated equation. Such an equation needs to sum the imbalance between creation and destruction rates over all possible evolutionary paths.


Let’s apply the above equation to John Horton Conway’s game of Life and see where it leads us. Define a planet as a 1000 km * 1000 km grid of squares each 1 mm across. Define “organism” as a type 1 glider generator. Define timestep as 0.1 seconds.

My definition of “organism” is deliberate, people have shown that a computer (ie neural network) can be built using gliders, all the usual logical operations (and, nor etc.) together with computer memories can be built from gliders. The gliders are made by a glider generator, so the glider generator is the smallest possible component.

Now apply above equation.
Nb = 10^18 building blocks (squares)
n0 = 400 building blocks needed per organism
fc = 1 all squares are available (this number may be too high as a buffer zone is needed around the organism
Pa
To calculate this, there are 8 orientations and 16 steps per cycle. 55 of the 400 squares need to be marked, 345 unmarked. So the highest probability is
Pa = 8 * 16 * (55/400)^55 * (345/400)^345 = 3.5542597*10^-68

Let t be the time needed to have a N_abiogenenesis = 50% chance of generating even one organism. Then
0.5 = 10^18/400*1*3.5542597*10^-68 * t
so
t = 5.6*10^51 tenth of a second intervals
t = 1.8*10^43 years
t = 1.3*10^33 times the age of the universe.

And that doesn’t include the need for the gliders generated to actually do something. And ignores the likelihood that a glider generator will probably be destroyed within ten seconds.

Applying this to carbon based life, read “RNA polymerase” for “glider generator” and you get the picture.

Hmm. As I said before, “single-step abiogenesis is such an incredibly unlikely event that it can be ruled out completely”.

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Date: 14/07/2016 09:34:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 923519
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

Evolutionary abiogenesis?? that’s sort of counter intuitive.

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Date: 14/07/2016 09:44:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 923523
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

Peak Warming Man said:


Evolutionary abiogenesis?? that’s sort of counter intuitive.
:-)

Yes and no. Only in the sense that we’re so used to hearing about the evolution of life that we forget the alternative. There is no firm boundary between life and non-life, a key indicator is fidelity of self-reproduction. If self-reproduction is nearly exact then we call it life and if it’s far from exact we call it non-living. But there’s a range of fidelity in between where we cannot categorically say whether an object is alive or not, within that range, evolution occurs, it actually occurs faster within that range (because of the much higher mutation rate) than for living organisms.

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Date: 14/07/2016 09:50:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 923524
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:

Hmm. As I said before, “single-step abiogenesis is such an incredibly unlikely event that it can be ruled out completely”.

I’m inclined to agree.

On the other hand if we live in an infinite universe then there are an infinite number of locations where this very unlikely event did happen.

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Date: 15/07/2016 18:06:42
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 924313
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.

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Date: 15/07/2016 18:17:32
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 924320
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.


That wasn’t actually my main thrust in the simulations. A glider gun generates an infinite stream of filters but because of interference with the rest of the primordial soup is unlikely to generate even as many as 100 before shutting down. So I looked at how many gliders a random initial state would generate, and got 18 out without any difficulty at all. The mean number of gliders generated varies as the square root of the number of atoms, and can easily exceed twice the mean. So more than 100 gliders is very much easier for a metabolism-first abiogenesis.

In the game, a glider is the analogue of a computer bit, or a signal along a neurone. A glider can also sometimes bring a dead organism back to life.

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Date: 16/07/2016 07:28:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 924765
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.


A few more runs. Larger molecules do appear spontaneously in Conway’s Life.

For runs producing 44 of the most common type of eight atom molecule, 7 twelve atom molecules, 4 fourteen atom molecules and one 17 atom molecule were produced. This makes the prospect of spontaneously generating macromolecules very good indeed.

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Date: 18/07/2016 05:16:43
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 926102
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.


A few more runs. Larger molecules do appear spontaneously in Conway’s Life.

For runs producing 44 of the most common type of eight atom molecule, 7 twelve atom molecules, 4 fourteen atom molecules and one 17 atom molecule were produced. This makes the prospect of spontaneously generating macromolecules very good indeed.


Still working on this.
Found http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/freq_top_life.html

Plotted the top 100 most frequent molecules by percentages, all but the largest of them fits a simple exponential trendline, a molecule with 20 atoms is a million times less likely to appear than a molecule with 4 atoms. So on this scale macromolecules are impossible. But the largest of the 100 most frequent doesn’t (the pulsar) fit that pattern, with an average of 59 atoms it’s as frequent as 13 atoms on the trendline.

Also looking further, I identified the glider gun above as a temporary definition of “life”. Now it turns out that a half-glider-gun, better known as a “queen bee shuttle” appears quite often spontaneously, as freq

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Date: 18/07/2016 05:16:44
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 926103
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.


A few more runs. Larger molecules do appear spontaneously in Conway’s Life.

For runs producing 44 of the most common type of eight atom molecule, 7 twelve atom molecules, 4 fourteen atom molecules and one 17 atom molecule were produced. This makes the prospect of spontaneously generating macromolecules very good indeed.


Still working on this.
Found http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/freq_top_life.html

Plotted the top 100 most frequent molecules by percentages, all but the largest of them fits a simple exponential trendline, a molecule with 20 atoms is a million times less likely to appear than a molecule with 4 atoms. So on this scale macromolecules are impossible. But the largest of the 100 most frequent doesn’t (the pulsar) fit that pattern, with an average of 59 atoms it’s as frequent as 13 atoms on the trendline.

Also looking further, I identified the glider gun above as a temporary definition of “life”. Now it turns out that a half-glider-gun, better known as a “queen bee shuttle” appears quite often spontaneously, as freq

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Date: 18/07/2016 05:16:44
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 926104
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.


A few more runs. Larger molecules do appear spontaneously in Conway’s Life.

For runs producing 44 of the most common type of eight atom molecule, 7 twelve atom molecules, 4 fourteen atom molecules and one 17 atom molecule were produced. This makes the prospect of spontaneously generating macromolecules very good indeed.


Still working on this.
Found http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/freq_top_life.html

Plotted the top 100 most frequent molecules by percentages, all but the largest of them fits a simple exponential trendline, a molecule with 20 atoms is a million times less likely to appear than a molecule with 4 atoms. So on this scale macromolecules are impossible. But the largest of the 100 most frequent doesn’t (the pulsar) fit that pattern, with an average of 59 atoms it’s as frequent as 13 atoms on the trendline.

Also looking further, I identified the glider gun above as a temporary definition of “life”. Now it turns out that a half-glider-gun, better known as a “queen bee shuttle” appears quite often spontaneously, as freq

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Date: 18/07/2016 05:41:09
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 926105
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


Now apply above equation.
Nb = 10^18 building blocks (squares)
n0 = 400 building blocks needed per organism
fc = 1 all squares are available (this number may be too high as a buffer zone is needed around the organism
Pa
To calculate this, there are 8 orientations and 16 steps per cycle. 55 of the 400 squares need to be marked, 345 unmarked. So the highest probability is
Pa = 8 * 16 * (55/400)^55 * (345/400)^345 = 3.5542597*10^-68

Let t be the time needed to have a N_abiogenenesis = 50% chance of generating even one organism. Then
0.5 = 10^18/400*1*3.5542597*10^-68 * t
so
t = 5.6*10^51 tenth of a second intervals
t = 1.8*10^43 years
t = 1.3*10^33 times the age of the universe.

mollwollfumble said:


I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.


A few more runs. Larger molecules do appear spontaneously in Conway’s Life.

For runs producing 44 of the most common type of eight atom molecule, 7 twelve atom molecules, 4 fourteen atom molecules and one 17 atom molecule were produced. This makes the prospect of spontaneously generating macromolecules very good indeed.


Still working on this.
Found http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/freq_top_life.html

Plotted the top 100 most frequent molecules by percentages, all but the largest of them fits a simple exponential trendline, a molecule with 20 atoms is a million times less likely to appear than a molecule with 4 atoms. So on this scale macromolecules are impossible. But the largest of the 100 most frequent doesn’t (the pulsar) fit that pattern, with an average of 59 atoms it’s as frequent as 13 atoms on the trendline.

Also looking further, I identified the glider gun above as a temporary definition of “life”. Now it turns out that a half-glider-gun, better known as a “queen bee shuttle” appears quite often spontaneously, as frequently as a 22 atom molecule on the trendline, ie. at 3.5 parts per billion. That may seem tiny, but compared with the Pa = 3.5542597*10^-68 calculated above for the full glider gun it’s ginormous. Following that through, using a conversion factor from two monomers to one dimer, I get a very rough estimate of Pa = 3*10^-19 for the full glider gun.

Let t be the time needed to have a N_abiogenenesis = 50% chance of generating even one organism. There’s a different Nb and n0 needed here, but changes are relatively small so let’s assume it’s the same.
Nb = 10^18 building blocks (squares)
n0 = 400 building blocks needed per organism

Then the time needed for life to form spontaneously is given by:
0.5 = 10^18/400*1*3*10^-19 * t
so
t = 670 tenth of a second intervals
t = 0.2 hours.

That’s positively rosy!

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Date: 18/07/2016 05:45:09
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 926106
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:


Now apply above equation.
Nb = 10^18 building blocks (squares)
n0 = 400 building blocks needed per organism
fc = 1 all squares are available (this number may be too high as a buffer zone is needed around the organism
Pa
To calculate this, there are 8 orientations and 16 steps per cycle. 55 of the 400 squares need to be marked, 345 unmarked. So the highest probability is
Pa = 8 * 16 * (55/400)^55 * (345/400)^345 = 3.5542597*10^-68

Let t be the time needed to have a N_abiogenenesis = 50% chance of generating even one organism. Then
0.5 = 10^18/400*1*3.5542597*10^-68 * t
so
t = 5.6*10^51 tenth of a second intervals
t = 1.8*10^43 years
t = 1.3*10^33 times the age of the universe.

mollwollfumble said:


I’ve been conducting experiments with Conway’s game of Life looking for clues to metabolism-first abiogenesis. It turns out to be more difficult than I thought. But still probably much easier than single step.

On problem is the lack of polymers generated from a random starting point. “Life” molecules with 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 “atoms” are common, with 8 atoms getting rarer, but so far random starting states haven’t generated any “molecules” with 9 or more atoms. Polymers can be artificially created in the game but are disinclined to form naturally.

From previous studies on the origin of REAL life, I found something similar, either molecules remained small, or the whole primordial soup set into a rigid solid amorphous network. Neither is conducive the the origin of life.


A few more runs. Larger molecules do appear spontaneously in Conway’s Life.

For runs producing 44 of the most common type of eight atom molecule, 7 twelve atom molecules, 4 fourteen atom molecules and one 17 atom molecule were produced. This makes the prospect of spontaneously generating macromolecules very good indeed.


Still working on this.
Found http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/freq_top_life.html

Plotted the top 100 most frequent molecules by percentages, all but the largest of them fits a simple exponential trendline, a molecule with 20 atoms is a million times less likely to appear than a molecule with 4 atoms. So on this scale macromolecules are impossible. But the largest of the 100 most frequent doesn’t (the pulsar) fit that pattern, with an average of 59 atoms it’s as frequent as 13 atoms on the trendline.

Also looking further, I identified the glider gun above as a temporary definition of “life”. Now it turns out that a half-glider-gun, better known as a “queen bee shuttle” appears quite often spontaneously, as frequently as a 22 atom molecule on the trendline, ie. at 3.5 parts per billion. That may seem tiny, but compared with the Pa = 3.5542597*10^-68 calculated above for the full glider gun it’s ginormous. Following that through, using a conversion factor from two monomers to one dimer, I get a very rough estimate of Pa = 3*10^-19 for the full glider gun.

Let t be the time needed to have a N_abiogenenesis = 50% chance of generating even one organism. There’s a different Nb and n0 needed here, but changes are relatively small so let’s assume it’s the same.
Nb = 10^18 building blocks (squares)
n0 = 400 building blocks needed per organism

Then the time needed for life to form spontaneously is given by:
0.5 = 10^18/400*1*3*10^-19 * t
so
t = 670 tenth of a second intervals
t = 1.1 minutes. (Oops, corrected)

That’s positively rosy!

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Date: 18/07/2016 11:10:06
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 926180
Subject: re: New Equation Tallies Odds of Life Beginning

mollwollfumble said:

Let t be the time needed to have a N_abiogenenesis = 50% chance of generating even one organism. Then
0.5 = 10^18/400*1*3.5542597*10^-68 * t
so
t = 5.6*10^51 tenth of a second intervals
t = 1.8*10^43 years
t = 1.3*10^33 times the age of the universe.

Then the time needed for life to form spontaneously is given by:
0.5 = 10^18/400*1*3*10^-19 * t
so
t = 670 tenth of a second intervals
t = 1.1 minutes.

1.3*10^33 times the ago of the universe vs 1.1 minutes for creating artificial life.

There’s a lesson to be learned in that for everyone. The lesson is that you can’t reliably estimate the odds for life beginning without getting most of the way towards creating life form non-life in a large experiment.

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