Date: 26/07/2016 21:21:09
From: dv
ID: 930604
Subject: NZ 2050 predator goal

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36883799

New Zealand has set a goal of eradicating all non-native predators within 35 years in order to protect the country’s indigenous wildlife.
The clock is ticking for stoats, rats and possums, as Prime Minister John Key wants “every single part” of New Zealand to be free of the creatures by 2050, the New Zealand Herald reports. Mr Key says the animals kill 25 million native birds each year, and getting rid of them will be “the most ambitious conservation project attempted anywhere in the world”.
Feral cats are also in the government’s sights, but pets – including Mr Key’s own moggy, Moonbeam – aren’t at risk. Last week, a new housing development in Wellington hit the headlines for its pet cat ban, aimed at protecting wildlife at a nearby nature reserve.
The government is set to invest NZ$28m (US$19.5m; £15m) in a new company, Predator Free New Zealand Ltd, and wants the private sector to provide financial support. The opposition Green Party has pointed out that one university study found achieving such an aim would cost closer to NZ$9bn (US$6.3bn; £4.8bn).
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Date: 27/07/2016 05:03:41
From: monkey skipper
ID: 930753
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36883799

New Zealand has set a goal of eradicating all non-native predators within 35 years in order to protect the country’s indigenous wildlife.
The clock is ticking for stoats, rats and possums, as Prime Minister John Key wants “every single part” of New Zealand to be free of the creatures by 2050, the New Zealand Herald reports. Mr Key says the animals kill 25 million native birds each year, and getting rid of them will be “the most ambitious conservation project attempted anywhere in the world”.
Feral cats are also in the government’s sights, but pets – including Mr Key’s own moggy, Moonbeam – aren’t at risk. Last week, a new housing development in Wellington hit the headlines for its pet cat ban, aimed at protecting wildlife at a nearby nature reserve.
The government is set to invest NZ$28m (US$19.5m; £15m) in a new company, Predator Free New Zealand Ltd, and wants the private sector to provide financial support. The opposition Green Party has pointed out that one university study found achieving such an aim would cost closer to NZ$9bn (US$6.3bn; £4.8bn).
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yeah, possums are cute but am quite aware why they need to curb or remove the populations of possums in NZ. they raid bird’s nests ans eat oodles of eggs, just as one example.

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Date: 27/07/2016 06:16:41
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 930756
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

monkey skipper said:


yeah, possums are cute but am quite aware why they need to curb or remove the populations of possums in NZ. they raid bird’s nests and eat oodles of eggs, just as one example.

The orange-bellied parrot is highly endangered because of predation by the feathertail glider. Does that mean we should kill all the feathertail gliders in Tasmania?

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Date: 27/07/2016 06:28:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 930758
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

mollwollfumble said:


monkey skipper said:

yeah, possums are cute but am quite aware why they need to curb or remove the populations of possums in NZ. they raid bird’s nests and eat oodles of eggs, just as one example.

The orange-bellied parrot is highly endangered because of predation by the feathertail glider. Does that mean we should kill all the feathertail gliders in Tasmania?

What it means is that until they get another industry rather than chopping down trees, the parrots will need nesting boxes that feathertail gliders cannot utilise and some control of the gliders but that while chopping down trees is the industry then wave goodbye to both species.

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Date: 27/07/2016 11:35:46
From: Cymek
ID: 930836
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Last week, a new housing development in Wellington hit the headlines for its pet cat ban, aimed at protecting wildlife at a nearby nature reserve.

I wonder if the housing development itself took into account wildlife in the area and minimised habitat destruction

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Date: 27/07/2016 12:49:28
From: sarahs mum
ID: 930901
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Kiwi conservationist, author, trout fisherman and deerstalker Tony Orman analyses the New Zealand government’s latest diversion – a predator free country – See more at: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/new-zealands-impossible-dream-a-predator-free-country/#sthash.WvD6a3Ks.dpuf

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Date: 28/07/2016 08:34:46
From: dv
ID: 931469
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/new-zealand-purge-nation-rodents-53338

The government of New Zealand has launched a program to eradicate the nation of predators by 2050 in order to preserve endangered birds and other native wildlife, spending an additional $20 million in pest control per year to target all stoats, rats, and possums. What do you think?

“No problem. I can take some stoats off their hands.”

Dean Russo
APE GROOMER

“Wiping out an entire species is so easy until you actually want to do it.”

Jermaine McClintock
PENCIL CRAFTSMAN

“The only weasel we should be worrying about is John Key. Labour Party for life!”

Jodi Linquist
RETIRED WEAVER

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Date: 28/07/2016 08:38:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 931470
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

> What do you think?

They could consider exporting those endangered species overseas. It worked with the Balls Pyramid stick insect.

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Date: 28/07/2016 12:25:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 931521
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/new-zealand-purge-nation-rodents-53338

The government of New Zealand has launched a program to eradicate the nation of predators by 2050 in order to preserve endangered birds and other native wildlife, spending an additional $20 million in pest control per year to target all stoats, rats, and possums. What do you think?

“No problem. I can take some stoats off their hands.”

Dean Russo
APE GROOMER

“Wiping out an entire species is so easy until you actually want to do it.”

Jermaine McClintock
PENCIL CRAFTSMAN

“The only weasel we should be worrying about is John Key. Labour Party for life!”

Jodi Linquist
RETIRED WEAVER

I know they have other problems that as is said are harder than they look if you actually want to do it. That said, they should start with outlawing any cat that isn’t caged.

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Date: 28/07/2016 14:25:58
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 931564
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

roughbarked said:


dv said:

http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/new-zealand-purge-nation-rodents-53338

The government of New Zealand has launched a program to eradicate the nation of predators by 2050 in order to preserve endangered birds and other native wildlife, spending an additional $20 million in pest control per year to target all stoats, rats, and possums. What do you think?

“No problem. I can take some stoats off their hands.”

Dean Russo
APE GROOMER

“Wiping out an entire species is so easy until you actually want to do it.”

Jermaine McClintock
PENCIL CRAFTSMAN

“The only weasel we should be worrying about is John Key. Labour Party for life!”

Jodi Linquist
RETIRED WEAVER

I know they have other problems that as is said are harder than they look if you actually want to do it. That said, they should start with outlawing any cat that isn’t caged.

Cats wouldn’t give a phuck they cant read.

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Date: 28/07/2016 15:50:10
From: Speedy
ID: 931635
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

I saw this quote posted by DOC Threathened Species Ambassador on fb when it was announced. Thought that even they aren’t confident of the outcome here. Surely in these early stages, “giving it a shot” is not the same as saying “we will do it” :/

If anyone can achieve a predator-free nation, we can, but only if we all get behind such an ambitious goal. But as Sir Paul Callaghan said “It’s crazy, and ambitious, but I think it might be worth a shot!”.

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Date: 28/07/2016 15:53:22
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931641
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Speedy said:


I saw this quote posted by DOC Threathened Species Ambassador on fb when it was announced. Thought that even they aren’t confident of the outcome here. Surely in these early stages, “giving it a shot” is not the same as saying “we will do it” :/

If anyone can achieve a predator-free nation, we can, but only if we all get behind such an ambitious goal. But as Sir Paul Callaghan said “It’s crazy, and ambitious, but I think it might be worth a shot!”.

All you need are a lot of bigger predators.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:00:06
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 931644
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

PermeateFree said:


Speedy said:

I saw this quote posted by DOC Threathened Species Ambassador on fb when it was announced. Thought that even they aren’t confident of the outcome here. Surely in these early stages, “giving it a shot” is not the same as saying “we will do it” :/

If anyone can achieve a predator-free nation, we can, but only if we all get behind such an ambitious goal. But as Sir Paul Callaghan said “It’s crazy, and ambitious, but I think it might be worth a shot!”.

All you need are a lot of bigger predators.

Myxo did it for Rabbits in Australia, so big is not always the answer.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:02:06
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931645
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

bob(from black rock) said:


PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

I saw this quote posted by DOC Threathened Species Ambassador on fb when it was announced. Thought that even they aren’t confident of the outcome here. Surely in these early stages, “giving it a shot” is not the same as saying “we will do it” :/

If anyone can achieve a predator-free nation, we can, but only if we all get behind such an ambitious goal. But as Sir Paul Callaghan said “It’s crazy, and ambitious, but I think it might be worth a shot!”.

All you need are a lot of bigger predators.

Myxo did it for Rabbits in Australia, so big is not always the answer.

Only rabbits are not predators.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:08:10
From: dv
ID: 931648
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

bob(from black rock) said:


PermeateFree said:

Speedy said:

I saw this quote posted by DOC Threathened Species Ambassador on fb when it was announced. Thought that even they aren’t confident of the outcome here. Surely in these early stages, “giving it a shot” is not the same as saying “we will do it” :/

If anyone can achieve a predator-free nation, we can, but only if we all get behind such an ambitious goal. But as Sir Paul Callaghan said “It’s crazy, and ambitious, but I think it might be worth a shot!”.

All you need are a lot of bigger predators.

Myxo did it for Rabbits in Australia, so big is not always the answer.

and that’s why there are no rabbits in Australia, kids

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:10:43
From: Bubblecar
ID: 931649
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

PermeateFree said:


Only rabbits are not predators.

Even carrots are bad for them.

Carrots are bad for rabbits, RSPCA says

The sight of Bugs Bunny chewing a carrot is among the best–known images in cartoon history, but root vegetables are in fact bad for rabbits.

“Bugs Bunny was wrong,” said Rachel Roxburgh, an animal scientist for the charity. “We want all pet rabbits to be eating hay as their main food. People also think their rabbits should eat carrots because that’s what Bugs Bunny does.

“But he’s a cartoon, real rabbits don’t talk, and they shouldn’t be eating carrots too often either.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/pets-health/9353529/Carrots-are-bad-for-rabbits-RSPCA-says.html

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:14:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 931650
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


and that’s why there are no rabbits in Australia, kids

The hares keep the rabbits at bay in my garden.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:15:06
From: dv
ID: 931651
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

CinemaSins has taught be so much, including that milk is bad for cats and carrots are bad for rabbits.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:15:26
From: dv
ID: 931652
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

and that’s why there are no rabbits in Australia, kids

The hares keep the rabbits at bay in my garden.

Nowt but pikas on my manor.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:16:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 931653
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


CinemaSins has taught be so much, including that milk is bad for cats and carrots are bad for rabbits.

Cheese is bad for mice.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:16:08
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931654
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Bubblecar said:


PermeateFree said:

Only rabbits are not predators.

Even carrots are bad for them.

Carrots are bad for rabbits, RSPCA says

The sight of Bugs Bunny chewing a carrot is among the best–known images in cartoon history, but root vegetables are in fact bad for rabbits.

“Bugs Bunny was wrong,” said Rachel Roxburgh, an animal scientist for the charity. “We want all pet rabbits to be eating hay as their main food. People also think their rabbits should eat carrots because that’s what Bugs Bunny does.

“But he’s a cartoon, real rabbits don’t talk, and they shouldn’t be eating carrots too often either.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/pets-health/9353529/Carrots-are-bad-for-rabbits-RSPCA-says.html

They bait rabbits with 1080 via use of carrots.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:16:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 931655
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

PermeateFree said:


They bait rabbits with 1080 via use of carrots.

That’s another reason carrots are bad for them.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:17:39
From: dv
ID: 931656
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

CinemaSins has taught be so much, including that milk is bad for cats and carrots are bad for rabbits.

Cheese is bad for mice.

Elephants should not eat many peanuts but they are okay as a treat.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:18:10
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931657
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Bubblecar said:


PermeateFree said:

They bait rabbits with 1080 via use of carrots.

That’s another reason carrots are bad for them.

Guess in that situation it doesn’t matter much. However they will readily eat them.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:18:24
From: Divine Angel
ID: 931658
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Lettuce gives bunnies the squits.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:19:10
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 931659
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

CinemaSins has taught be so much, including that milk is bad for cats and carrots are bad for rabbits.

Cheese is bad for mice.

And work is the curse of the drinking class!

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:20:57
From: dv
ID: 931660
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

and ducks should not eat bread

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:21:17
From: Divine Angel
ID: 931661
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Rabbits will eat a lot of things that aren’t good for them, such as cauliflower and clover.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:23:28
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 931662
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


and ducks should not eat bread

It makes them quackers.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:26:09
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 931663
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


and ducks should not eat bread

And men should not eat hairpie or furrburgers.

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:26:37
From: Arts
ID: 931664
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

CinemaSins has taught be so much, including that milk is bad for cats and carrots are bad for rabbits.

Cheese is bad for mice.

Elephants should not eat many peanuts but they are okay as a treat.

what a waste all my animal tutorials were then, I could have been watching cinemasins instead

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:32:04
From: Cymek
ID: 931665
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Divine Angel said:


Rabbits will eat a lot of things that aren’t good for them, such as cauliflower and clover.

And sultanas and raisins

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Date: 28/07/2016 16:39:35
From: Speedy
ID: 931667
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


and ducks should not eat bread

Nor should any other species.

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Date: 28/07/2016 17:28:55
From: dv
ID: 931675
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Arts said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Cheese is bad for mice.

Elephants should not eat many peanuts but they are okay as a treat.

what a waste all my animal tutorials were then, I could have been watching cinemasins instead

Also, DC stands for Detective Comics, so DC Comics is a tautology.

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Date: 28/07/2016 17:33:40
From: Divine Angel
ID: 931678
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:

Also, DC stands for Detective Comics, so DC Comics is a tautology.

Sure, but it’s still their trademarked name

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Date: 28/07/2016 17:37:01
From: dv
ID: 931680
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Divine Angel said:


dv said:

Also, DC stands for Detective Comics, so DC Comics is a tautology.

Sure, but it’s still their trademarked name

That makes it even worse.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:12:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 931755
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

PermeateFree said:


bob(from black rock) said:

PermeateFree said:

All you need are a lot of bigger predators.

Myxo did it for Rabbits in Australia, so big is not always the answer.

Only rabbits are not predators.

Tell all the extinct native flora that.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:14:55
From: Speedy
ID: 931760
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Myxo did it for Rabbits in Australia, so big is not always the answer.

Only rabbits are not predators.

Tell all the extinct native flora that.

Plants are not animals.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:18:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 931762
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

and that’s why there are no rabbits in Australia, kids

The hares keep the rabbits at bay in my garden.

Nowt but pikas on my manor.

12 points for that answer. -11 for spelling.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:18:11
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931763
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

roughbarked said:


PermeateFree said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Myxo did it for Rabbits in Australia, so big is not always the answer.

Only rabbits are not predators.

Tell all the extinct native flora that.

A predator is any carnivorous animal. Rabbits are not carnivorous.

Have rabbits driven any flora to extinction?

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:21:42
From: dv
ID: 931765
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

ChrispenEvan said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

The hares keep the rabbits at bay in my garden.

Nowt but pikas on my manor.

12 points for that answer. -11 for spelling.

I’ve made no spelling mistakes there.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:22:35
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 931766
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:


ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Nowt but pikas on my manor.

12 points for that answer. -11 for spelling.

I’ve made no spelling mistakes there.

sorry, was in printer mode.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:24:08
From: AwesomeO
ID: 931769
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

PermeateFree said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Only rabbits are not predators.

Tell all the extinct native flora that.

A predator is any carnivorous animal. Rabbits are not carnivorous.

Have rabbits driven any flora to extinction?

Possibly. Some unknown orchid on a NZ island that the rabbits found tasty and ate them to the last one. I watched some show where they had reduced the only grass that could survive the freezing wind and saltwater on an island thus opening up erosion and animals that normally hid in the grass no longer could and dire things were predicted.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:25:17
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 931771
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

I believe MacQuarie Is is now feral free.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:27:17
From: dv
ID: 931773
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

The dictionary?

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:29:13
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 931774
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

yep. had a cull.

“If you don’t mention the problem, the problem will go away.”

old wookie saying.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:29:44
From: Speedy
ID: 931776
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

AwesomeO said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Tell all the extinct native flora that.

A predator is any carnivorous animal. Rabbits are not carnivorous.

Have rabbits driven any flora to extinction?

Possibly. Some unknown orchid on a NZ island that the rabbits found tasty and ate them to the last one. I watched some show where they had reduced the only grass that could survive the freezing wind and saltwater on an island thus opening up erosion and animals that normally hid in the grass no longer could and dire things were predicted.

I would think that it’s not only possible, but probable.

New plant species are still being discovered. Rabbits arrived with the First Fleet in 1788. In all that time, some plant species would have been pushed to extinction before they were discovered.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:30:24
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 931777
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/macquarie-island/5377622

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:31:30
From: Speedy
ID: 931778
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

ChrispenEvan said:


I believe MacQuarie Is is now feral free.

Yes, I think you’re right. They had dramas getting rid of the last of them. Imagine trying to rid a place the size of NZ of ferals, where an added challenge is constant animal trade.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:32:53
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931780
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

AwesomeO said:


PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Tell all the extinct native flora that.

A predator is any carnivorous animal. Rabbits are not carnivorous.

Have rabbits driven any flora to extinction?

Possibly. Some unknown orchid on a NZ island that the rabbits found tasty and ate them to the last one. I watched some show where they had reduced the only grass that could survive the freezing wind and saltwater on an island thus opening up erosion and animals that normally hid in the grass no longer could and dire things were predicted.

Yes smallish islands have huge problems from animals like rabbits (a cat is known to have driven a small bird to extinction on one). I think the rats and rabbits were removed from Macquarie island, which enabled the hardy indigenous vegetation to regrow.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:35:17
From: Speedy
ID: 931783
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

PermeateFree said:


I think the rats and rabbits were removed from Macquarie island, which enabled the hardy indigenous vegetation to regrow.

It would be good to see before and after aerial images. Maybe in another 10 years or-so.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:41:19
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931796
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Speedy said:


AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

A predator is any carnivorous animal. Rabbits are not carnivorous.

Have rabbits driven any flora to extinction?

Possibly. Some unknown orchid on a NZ island that the rabbits found tasty and ate them to the last one. I watched some show where they had reduced the only grass that could survive the freezing wind and saltwater on an island thus opening up erosion and animals that normally hid in the grass no longer could and dire things were predicted.

I would think that it’s not only possible, but probable.

New plant species are still being discovered. Rabbits arrived with the First Fleet in 1788. In all that time, some plant species would have been pushed to extinction before they were discovered.

I think land clearing for farming, etc, would certainly have caused flora extinction, due to the areas involved. Rabbits generally eat herbaceous species, which due to our dry climate are either seasonal or ephemeral growing from underground tubers. This situation gives the herbaceous flora an advantage, although rabbits by their soil disturbance permit weeds to develop and this combined with improper land management are the main causes for plant extinction.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:41:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 931797
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Speedy said:


roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Only rabbits are not predators.

Tell all the extinct native flora that.

Plants are not animals.

Doesn’t stop them from being predated upon nor does it change the fact that decimation of native plant groups is a big part player in the extinction of native fauna by introduced predators.

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Date: 28/07/2016 19:42:59
From: PermeateFree
ID: 931799
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

Speedy said:


PermeateFree said:

I think the rats and rabbits were removed from Macquarie island, which enabled the hardy indigenous vegetation to regrow.

It would be good to see before and after aerial images. Maybe in another 10 years or-so.

There was a documentary about it and the regrow was dramatic, largely because the extensive root system of the grasses remained intact.

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Date: 29/07/2016 18:11:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 932401
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

The New Zealand government has just announced it wants to make New Zealand predator free by 2050 ( Guardian HERE ), formally adopting a target to eradicate all predators that threaten New Zealand’s native birds.

But like the song’s title – “The Impossible Dream” – it’s an impossible, impractical and idiotic target. To achieve the target the New Zealand government’s agencies will bizarrely buy the ecosystem poison – 1080 – from the government’s own factory and aerially topdress hundreds of thousands of hectares of public wilderness lands with the toxin. Brodifacoum is another ‘eco-system’ poison used.

The words of “The Impossible Dream” describe the futility …

“To dream the impossible dream — No matter how hopeless – without question or pause, to be willing to march, march into hell—-”.

And it will be hell with an ecological sterile New Zealand wilderness left as the legacy for generations of future New Zealanders.

If I was a complete cynic, I would say that the New Zealand’s government sees the adoption of “the impossible dream” as a smart political ploy. It will appeal to New Zealanders who don’t know the outdoors and wilderness, who don’t understand predator-prey relationships and food chains and ecological evolution, but will see it as “visionary” move by government. But there’s a stronger more realistic suspicion that the move by government is motivated mostly by a desperate government’s desire by the government to divert attention from mushrooming issues. Afflicting government is growing public unease over unchecked immigration, a housing crisis and a sagging economy with the country’s books showing a debt said to be $115 billion – a massive one for a country of just 4.7 million, not even the size of greater Sydney or Greater Melbourne.

In selling the concept of a “Predator Free NZ” on television, Minister of Conservation Maggie Barry revealed an appalling lack of understanding that predator-prey relationships are simply nature. Government’s campaign to eradicate all predators that threaten New Zealand’s native birds, ignores reality.

Among New Zealand’s native bird populations, predators are not uncommon. The native falcon is solely a predator preying on smaller birds such as the songster tui. The native owl, (morepork) preys on large insects, small birds, especially native waxeyes, and native insects. The native alpine parrot (kea) have also been recorded eating other bird and mammal species including Huttons Shearwater, both chicks and eggs. The kiwi preys on invertebrates and a favourite is the 178 species rich native worms.

In ridding New Zealand of predators, will government’s ‘impossible dream” include falcon, morepork, kea and kiwi to name just four?

And in applying 1080 to forests and wilderness lands how will government avoid killing falcons or moreporks of keas which seize a distressed dying, toxin-ridden mouse or bird?

The use of 1080 presents another threat to the icon the Kiwi.

The toxin was first developed in the 1920s as an insecticide. It was later found to kill anything that ingests it so it was then branded as a pest poison. But it’s still lethal on invertebrates, be they insects or the 178 worm species which just happens to be the food of kiwi. So in eating toxic worms the kiwi ingests 1080. Even if it doesn’t but with its natural food supply of worms decimated, kiwi populations inevitably crash downwards.

In announcing the “Impossible Dream”, New Zealand’s Prime Minister and Conservation minister Maggie Barry threw figures around with reckless gaiety – 25 million native birds killed by pests a year and a $3.3 billion cost to the economy and primary sector a year due to pests.

Where did she get the 25 million bird figure from? How was it calculated – surely an impossible task? I have no doubt it was plucked from the air, perhaps calculated by a pencil on “the back of a cigarette packet.” That phrase “on the back of a cigarette packet calculation” was how a senior scientist of New Zealand’s Landcare Research agency termed the Department of Conservation’s assessment of New Zealand’s possum population as 70 million.

The Department used the 70 million figure for some 20 years to justify its aerial blitz with 1080 of public lands. Estimates are made to suit policy.

But here’s the bizarre twist. The same Landcare scientist Graham Nugent, said even using the highly-inflated 70 million figure, possums would consume just 15% (one-seventh) of the daily foliage production of New Zealand’s forests.

Yet Conservation Minister Barry declared possums were defoliating forests.

So she was wrong again.

Bureaucrats have labelled the herbivore possums as a predator. YouTube depictions of possums blundering into bed nests have been challenged by some perceptive conservationists as stage-managed.

Maggie Barry said possums were fast breeders. Again totally wrong. Possums generally have just one ‘joey’ a year.

Bureaucrats will go to bizarre lengths to justify wasteful policies. After all their salaried 40-hour-per-week position depends on perpetuating myths.

Those same bureaucrats probably gave their puppet Conservation Minister Barry the words to say.

That other pest – i.e. rats – have been in New Zealand for “just 200 years,” Maggie Barry declared. She was hopelessly misinformed and wrong. The Maori migrants coming from Polynesia to New Zealand about AD 1200-1300 introduced the kiore rat – some 800 years ago. Norwegian ship rats were introduced by European sealers and whalers some 200 years ago.

Whether 800 or 200 years, any predator is absorbed into the ecosystem and develops its relationships. Predators are not bogeys. As one African conservation organisation said “Predators are an important part of a healthy ecosystem. Predators cull vulnerable prey, such as the old, injured, sick, or very young, leaving more food for the survival and prosperity of healthy prey animals. Also, by controlling the size of prey populations, predators help slow down the spread of disease. Predators will catch healthy prey when they can, but catching sick or injured animals helps in natural selection and the establishment of healthier prey populations as the fittest animals are left to survive and reproduce.”

Predator-prey relationships happen the world over. New Zealand is not unique as the Department and shrill “anti-introduced-phobic” green groups can claim.

Rats as predators, were absorbed into the New Zealand ecosystem just as happens anywhere in the world. During my lifetime of exploring, fishing and hunting in wilderness New Zealand, native birds from 1950-90 were never under threat and were indeed abundant. Bush robins would sit on your boots pecking at eyelets, tomtits perched on tree trunks, the alpine clown the keas would fly in to get better acquainted, native falcons would swoop and soar, kiwis called at night around campsites – but now they have largely gone.

The only birds one might hear are nectar feeding tuis and bellbirds.

The disappearance of most bird species, began about 1990 when the newly formed Department of Conservation in existence for three years, embarked on an accelerated, obsessed, maniacal aerial 1080 campaign.

The after effects of 1080 on fast-breeding species like rats is catastrophic. As Landcare Research has shown, within three years of a 1080 drop, surviving rats explode back towards four times their original population size. All 1080 has achieved is to stimulate, within a few short years, a super-plague of rats.

The reaction by politicians and bureaucrats is predictable.

“Ahhhrgr! A rat plague. Quick! 1080!”

So 1080 is scattered and the same looney four-year cycle of mega-poison dumpings is set in motion.

In essence New Zealand’s PM John Key and Conservation Minister Maggie Barry will be stimulating rat plagues, every four years – a crazy, wasteful exercise akin to rat-farming.

The victims will not be the rats in the long-term, but the native birds swamped by successive, man-made plagues of rats and the New Zealand people financing the insane impossible dream of predator-free New Zealand and having their land poisoned.

Reference: The Third Wave by Bill Benfield, (Tross Publishing, NZ)

- See more at: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/new-zealands-impossible-dream-a-predator-free-country/#sthash.J5ODe5P2.dpuf

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Date: 29/07/2016 18:12:43
From: sarahs mum
ID: 932402
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

A bunch of “scientists”, working under the acronym ZIP (Zero Invasive Predators), are not out to save any particular species, nor to assist in the balance of nature; their aim is to make NZ predator-free.

The scientists have yet to explain why this is a good idea. They are simply charging ahead with a ZIP mentality which looks to deny rather than work with evolution. They are being handsomely paid to book.

As our local enviro-group coordinator says these “scientists” “seem to have license to explore any zany idea”. This license comes from central government which gave them another $600,000 in this year’s budget.

Every year Research and Development into NZ’s animal control gets a massive $13 million of public money. For all this money something very substantial must be expected. There have never been so many “scientists” on the payroll and the payroll has never been so large.

There are only so many animals.

How many people does it take?

What is taking the money is government’s determination to do a simple trapping job with poison.

If you put $13 million into trapping possums you would control 1.3 million hectares, twice the area DOC covered last year with aerial 1080 and at half DOC’s cost of $27 million. Instead that $13 million is being poured into animal poison research which has produced little of use in the past ten or fifteen years. This kind of research has no end in sight and no known purpose beyond greed itself. Ask ‘em what they intend to achieve and their answer, ZIP, pretty much covers it.

It is sad to see well-intentioned enviro-groups being used for these scientists’ poison trials.

Huge boat-loads of NZ’s animal poisons have been sent to be spread poison on remote islands in our southern oceans ‘cos most of NZ’s closer islands have already been poisoned. It is the same on land.

Fewer and fewer spaces on the map have not already been poisoned.

When Connovation released their Sodium Nitrite this year they had to take their product to the other end of the country, to Otago Peninsula, before they found an enviro-group that wasn’t already spreading someone’s animal poison product.

Sodium nitrite is a pig poison yet Connovation has released it as a possum poison. No sales in NZ for another pig poison.

Sodium Nitrite is a registered with EPA as a pig killer. ACTA (Animal Control Technologies Australia) sells it as a pig killer called Hoggone. ACTA’s “science” explains why Sodium Nitrite would be a great pig killer.

The same science which says that 1080 is suited to killing dingoes says that Sodium Nitrite is suited to killing pigs. It takes the smallest amount of 1080 to kill a dingo and the smallest amount of Sodium Nitrite to kill a pig.

You can kill your dingo or your pig with such a small dose that, if other creatures in the forest accidentally eat a bait they should receive a sub-lethal dose and not be killed.

In NZ the ideal dingo poison, 1080, is being used to poison possums. Possums are relatively resistant to 1080 so the dose required to kill a possum is absurdly large – enough to kill a dozen or more dogs and who knows how many other forest creatures as well.

Possums are even more resistant to sodium nitrite than they are to 1080 so what’s the logic?

Science says that, because of the huge doses required, neither 1080 nor Sodium Nitrite are suitable for poisoning possums.

Our government tells us they are being led by science and yet here they are completely ignoring the science and willfully encouraging the distribution of poisons known to be unsuitable for the purpose they are being put.

The tens of millions of NZ dollars poured annually into a direction which flies in the face of science indicate motives other than environmental care.

*John Veysey lives on the Coromandel Peninsula on the North Island, New Zealand. Since first observing government-funded animal poisoning operations in his area John has spent the past 25 years looking to find any tangible benefits to the environment, long or short term, from this method of wild animal control. After decades studying the “science” behind NZ’s animal poisoning policy John has uncovered numerous benefits but none of them, he says, have been for the environment.

- See more at: http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/nz-zero-invasive-predators-…-and-scientists/show_comments#sthash.9kMH1O0h.dpuf

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Date: 29/07/2016 18:41:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 932413
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

So in the effort to achieve a predator-free nation, do they cull all the other humans first, then themselves, or do they lead by example and cull themselves first?

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Date: 29/07/2016 18:46:08
From: dv
ID: 932415
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

The Rev Dodgson said:


So in the effort to achieve a predator-free nation, do they cull all the other humans first, then themselves, or do they lead by example and cull themselves first?

I hate these puzzles

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Date: 29/07/2016 18:46:59
From: dv
ID: 932416
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

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Date: 29/07/2016 18:51:22
From: PermeateFree
ID: 932417
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:



A Maori bikie?

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Date: 29/07/2016 18:51:47
From: AwesomeO
ID: 932418
Subject: re: NZ 2050 predator goal

dv said:



That’s a good looking alien. I note that the topmost alien icon on its belt is the alien gray from aliens are real.

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