Yes Haddington
1 hr · · Politics
What a great article. You seem to be only British if you have Anglo-Saxon ancestors. Also almost all of the article is about England. The map is of England not Britain. But it is the Daily Telegraph so what do you expect.

Article here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/28/how-british-are-you-mapped-dna-testing-shows-the-most-anglo-saxo/?WTmcid=tmgoff_soc_spf_fb&WT.mc_id=sf31961976

sarahs mum said:

Yes Haddington
1 hr · · Politics
What a great article. You seem to be only British if you have Anglo-Saxon ancestors. Also almost all of the article is about England. The map is of England not Britain. But it is the Daily Telegraph so what do you expect.

Article here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/28/how-british-are-you-mapped-dna-testing-shows-the-most-anglo-saxo/?WTmcid=tmgoff_soc_spf_fb&WT.mc_id=sf31961976

Must be a little galling to the Celts.

No pun intended.

If Anglo-Saxon DNA were a mark of Britishness, then presumably the people of Saxony or Angeln would be more British than much of Wales and western or northern England, to say nothing of Scotland.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Yes Haddington
1 hr · · Politics
What a great article. You seem to be only British if you have Anglo-Saxon ancestors. Also almost all of the article is about England. The map is of England not Britain. But it is the Daily Telegraph so what do you expect.

Article here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/28/how-british-are-you-mapped-dna-testing-shows-the-most-anglo-saxo/?WTmcid=tmgoff_soc_spf_fb&WT.mc_id=sf31961976

Must be a little galling to the Celts.

No pun intended.

My dad always said my sister’s black hair was pictish. He also had black hair. (We were McDowall’s. Macdougalls that were written down wrong in the Ragman rolls. Macdougall means.. the Black Stranger. (Which should be a good story if I ever get to read it. Coz I have wondered whether we were egyptian or pictish..)

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Yes Haddington
1 hr · · Politics
What a great article. You seem to be only British if you have Anglo-Saxon ancestors. Also almost all of the article is about England. The map is of England not Britain. But it is the Daily Telegraph so what do you expect.

Article here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/28/how-british-are-you-mapped-dna-testing-shows-the-most-anglo-saxo/?WTmcid=tmgoff_soc_spf_fb&WT.mc_id=sf31961976

Must be a little galling to the Celts.

No pun intended.

My dad always said my sister’s black hair was pictish. He also had black hair. (We were McDowall’s. Macdougalls that were written down wrong in the Ragman rolls. Macdougall means.. the Black Stranger. (Which should be a good story if I ever get to read it. Coz I have wondered whether we were egyptian or pictish..)

Little is known of the Picts, i’truth.

I’m British cos i was born there.

:-)

ChrispenEvan said:

I’m British cos i was born there.

:-)

bazinga

Telegraph is dumber than I thought.

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I’m British cos i was born there.

:-)

bazinga

Telegraph is dumber than I thought.

oh. it obviously part of the making everyone hate everyone thing..

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

We are ayrshire types. Its quite away from the armada.

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

Similar in southern Ireland.

mongrel race anyway the english.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

Similar in southern Ireland.

time problem. my dark stranger is around in the 1100s.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

Similar in southern Ireland.

The Irish ate a lot of them, apparently.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

Similar in southern Ireland.

time problem. my dark stranger is around in the 1100s.

U don’t think I was referring to Spanish Armada times?

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

And her name was Isobel.

Isobel could also be a metric sound unit.

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

Black Irish as well, from the same armada.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

And her name was Isobel.

a contour line connecting points of equal sound pressure

The basic nomenclature is so fucked up that it makes the whole piece comical.

“The average Brit is 37 per cent Anglo-Saxon with the remainder of genes coming from European ancestors”

dafuq …

Where do they think the Anglo-Saxons came from, Ouagadougou?

dv said:

The basic nomenclature is so fucked up that it makes the whole piece comical.

“The average Brit is 37 per cent Anglo-Saxon with the remainder of genes coming from European ancestors”

dafuq …

Where do they think the Anglo-Saxons came from, Ouagadougou?

LOL, precisely.
And don’t forget the Jutes.
There would also be a smattering of Roman in the genes.
And the Normans were mainly Scandavian as the Vikings had settled Normandy.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

The basic nomenclature is so fucked up that it makes the whole piece comical.

“The average Brit is 37 per cent Anglo-Saxon with the remainder of genes coming from European ancestors”

dafuq …

Where do they think the Anglo-Saxons came from, Ouagadougou?

LOL, precisely.
And don’t forget the Jutes.
There would also be a smattering of Roman in the genes.
And the Normans were mainly Scandavian as the Vikings had settled Normandy.

And the moops. Don’t forget the moops.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

And her name was Isobel.

The Spanish Infanta?

AwesomeO said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

Black Irish as well, from the same armada.

I read somewhere that that theory can’t be supported by the historical evidence.

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

Black Irish as well, from the same armada.

I read somewhere that that theory can’t be supported by the historical evidence.

Happy to learn more. I don’t think is any doubt that Spanish sailers and soldiers were washed up on the west coast, albeit most were hacked to death on the beach.

AwesomeO said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

Black Irish as well, from the same armada.

I read somewhere that that theory can’t be supported by the historical evidence.

Happy to learn more. I don’t think is any doubt that Spanish sailers and soldiers were washed up on the west coast, albeit most were hacked to death on the beach.

I don’t think that there is any evidence that any of the sailors / soldiers survived.

Once upon a time there was an Italian,
And some people thought he was a rapscallion,
But he wasn’t offended,
Because other people thought he was splendid,
And he said the world was round,
And everybody made an uncomplimentary sound,
But he went and tried to borrow some money from Ferdinand
But Ferdinand said America was a bird in the bush and he’d rather have a berdinand,
But Columbus’ brain was fertile, it wasn’t arid,
And he remembered that Ferdinand was married,
And he thought, there is no wife like a misunderstood one,
Because if her husband thinks something is a terrible idea she is bound to think it a good one,
So he perfumed his handkerchief with bay rum and citronella,
And he went to see Isabella,
And he looked wonderful but he had never felt sillier,
And she said, I can’t place the face but the aroma is familiar,
And Columbus didn’t say a word,
All he said was, I am Columbus, the fifteenth-century Admiral Byrd,
And, just as he thought, her disposition was very malleable,
And she said, Here are my jewels, and she wasn’t penurious like Cornelia the mother of the Gracchi, she wasn’t referring to her children, no, she was referring to her jewels, which were very very valuable,
So Columbus said, Somebody show me the sunset and somebody did and he set sail for it,
And he discovered America and they put him in jail for it,
And the fetters gave him welts,
And they named America after somebody else,
So the sad fate of Columbus ought to be pointed out to every child and every voter,
Because it has a very important moral, which is, Don’t be a discoverer, be a promoter.

Ogden Nash

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There’s quite a few dark Scots, the story is that they came from wrecked sailors from the Spanish Armada.
One of my Scottish rellies married a girl who looked decidedly Spanish although a Scot.
She was stunningly beautiful.

And her name was Isobel.

a contour line connecting points of equal sound pressure

Her body hummed in harmony.

AwesomeO said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

Black Irish as well, from the same armada.

I read somewhere that that theory can’t be supported by the historical evidence.

Happy to learn more. I don’t think is any doubt that Spanish sailers and soldiers were washed up on the west coast, albeit most were hacked to death on the beach.

Religious soul searchers and simply lost advnturers were landing on southern Ireland ong befoe the Spanish armada.

pj. I’m working on an email for you.

How much did you pay for it? That’s always a consideration in what you think it is worth.

The case is only chrome plated brass though by having the downcurved lugs means that the wear has been restricted to the points of the lugs rather than around where the stainless back screws in. Always a good point in the longevity factors of the watch in a plated brass case. Most such cases erode as soon as the plating wears a bit, leaving the stainless back proud of the case and often rendering it useless for keeping stuff out of the watch.

The ETA 2789 has been the basis of so many fine watches in its more refined forms. At least back in the day I could generally be sure that I wouldn’t run into many problems when servicing one. They are getting long in the tooth these days but mostly still run quite well.

Yours has no rust and appears to not have a lot of wear though sometimes with watches that have a lot of parts to remove to get to the heart, some aspects of wear aren’t apparent until one gets to them. However, all that was stopping it from running seems to have been a small white hair under the glass and the seconds hand was touching the glass.

Generally speaking, it should only need to be stripped down, cleaned and reassembled with all the right oils in only the correct places. Plus of course, make you a proper case holding ring. It is rarely a case of simply finding a replacement. None seem to be exactly the same unless you happen to have exactly the same watch to find it in. The glass or crystal seems to be OK enough and the case has some years in it yet. The dial is not brand new but reasonable enough and even a little unusual or unique, in Australia at least. It is wearable as a conversation piece.

Thanks for showing it to me.

oops, wong fred.

roughbarked said:

pj. I’m working on an email for you.

How much did you pay for it? That’s always a consideration in what you think it is worth.

The case is only chrome plated brass though by having the downcurved lugs means that the wear has been restricted to the points of the lugs rather than around where the stainless back screws in. Always a good point in the longevity factors of the watch in a plated brass case. Most such cases erode as soon as the plating wears a bit, leaving the stainless back proud of the case and often rendering it useless for keeping stuff out of the watch.

The ETA 2789 has been the basis of so many fine watches in its more refined forms. At least back in the day I could generally be sure that I wouldn’t run into many problems when servicing one. They are getting long in the tooth these days but mostly still run quite well.

Yours has no rust and appears to not have a lot of wear though sometimes with watches that have a lot of parts to remove to get to the heart, some aspects of wear aren’t apparent until one gets to them. However, all that was stopping it from running seems to have been a small white hair under the glass and the seconds hand was touching the glass.

Generally speaking, it should only need to be stripped down, cleaned and reassembled with all the right oils in only the correct places. Plus of course, make you a proper case holding ring. It is rarely a case of simply finding a replacement. None seem to be exactly the same unless you happen to have exactly the same watch to find it in. The glass or crystal seems to be OK enough and the case has some years in it yet. The dial is not brand new but reasonable enough and even a little unusual or unique, in Australia at least. It is wearable as a conversation piece.

Thanks for showing it to me.

I got for $105 .. ebay

Gee, I thought the best indicator of British DNA is a higher than normal Neanderthal content.

Western European is the highest in Neanderthal DNA content, but I just noticed in Wikipedia that Neanderthal content is lower in both Ireland and Scotland than it is in England. And yes, continual areas from where the Angles and Saxons come from also have a high Neanderthal content, but not the Vikings from Denmark and Scandinavia.

So perhaps that “Englishness” plot is actually a plot of high Neanderthal content.

ChrispenEvan said:

I’m British cos i was born there.

:-)

Apparently I’m British because 99% of BN customers think I am.

mollwollfumble said:

Gee, I thought the best indicator of British DNA is a higher than normal Neanderthal content.

Western European is the highest in Neanderthal DNA content, but I just noticed in Wikipedia that Neanderthal content is lower in both Ireland and Scotland than it is in England. And yes, continual areas from where the Angles and Saxons come from also have a high Neanderthal content, but not the Vikings from Denmark and Scandinavia.

So perhaps that “Englishness” plot is actually a plot of high Neanderthal content.

i like this way of looking at it.

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

Gee, I thought the best indicator of British DNA is a higher than normal Neanderthal content.

Western European is the highest in Neanderthal DNA content, but I just noticed in Wikipedia that Neanderthal content is lower in both Ireland and Scotland than it is in England. And yes, continual areas from where the Angles and Saxons come from also have a high Neanderthal content, but not the Vikings from Denmark and Scandinavia.

So perhaps that “Englishness” plot is actually a plot of high Neanderthal content.

i like this way of looking at it.

Apparently, everything else, happened since.

Apparently people with more Neanderthal DNA find it easier to put on a monocle.

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

I’m related to ceasar…

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

Is that scam free yet? Africanamericans were getting scammed but partly their own fault. They all wanted to be Zulus and were unhappy with any other result, so scammers started telling them what they wanted to hear.

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

I had mine done but it was rejected because they said the sample had traces of nuts.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

I had mine done but it was rejected because they said the sample had traces of nuts.

i thought they took the sample from inside your mouth?

i think i read that this data was complied badly out of the ancestry dot com data.

AwesomeO said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

Is that scam free yet? Africanamericans were getting scammed but partly their own fault. They all wanted to be Zulus and were unhappy with any other result, so scammers started telling them what they wanted to hear.

Don’t know about that but I heard about it on one of the radio science shows.

dv said:

Apparently people with more Neanderthal DNA find it easier to put on a monocle.

Jeez. Always putting on me.. I wear a loupe all day.

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

I’m related to ceasar…

watch out for backstabbers.

sarahs mum said:

i think i read that this data was complied badly out of the ancestry dot com data.

computers have only been around so long.

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

I had mine done but it was rejected because they said the sample had traces of nuts.

i thought they took the sample from inside your mouth?

Boris is on fire today.

Anyone got an extinguisher?

It’s all recent history anyway and doesn’t mean much. My DNA would reveal a murky mixture of eastern European and various parts of the British Isles, but looking at the broader picture it would be “Homo sapiens”.

Bubblecar said:

It’s all recent history anyway and doesn’t mean much. My DNA would reveal a murky mixture of eastern European and various parts of the British Isles, but looking at the broader picture it would be “Homo sapiens”.

My dad always told me that I couldn’t afford to be racist because it was all in my makeup somewhere.

Separating nDNA is not possible past a few generations.

mtDNA and yDNA can be traced because each of us only has one mother, one father. Still, all it tells you is the chain of your male-line ancestry, or female-line ancestry. That’s a vanishingly small portion of your total descent.

Peak Warming Man said:

You can get your DNA tested and it traces your lineage way way back.

I’ve had mine done, by 23andme, US$99 back then (price now has risen to US$149) and that includes:
1) Heritage by part of the world, including Neanderthal content.
2) Susceptibility (increased and decreased) to both common and rare diseases.
3) Finding cousins you never knew you had.
4) Ability to contribute to medical research by answering questions.
5) Access to online family tree software – choose free or paid access.

I thoroughly recommend it, except possibly for the family tree software which keeps sending me spam.

I am, by DNA:

65% British and Irish
24.8% broadly Northwestern European
5.7% Scandinavian
2.8% broadly European
1% French and German
0.6% Eastern European

– all of which is pretty boring

and 3.0% Neanderthal, which is 89th percentile among Europeans.

Gonna release the little green parrot and head back to bed for a bit.

Haven’t responded to the political post…maybe later. I haven’t even read if there are responses.

kii said:

Gonna release the little green parrot and head back to bed for a bit.

Haven’t responded to the political post…maybe later. I haven’t even read if there are responses.

which political post?

dv said:

Separating nDNA is not possible past a few generations.

mtDNA and yDNA can be traced because each of us only has one mother, one father. Still, all it tells you is the chain of your male-line ancestry, or female-line ancestry. That’s a vanishingly small portion of your total descent.

My understanding is that that is now ten years out of date. Ancestry is now based on nuclear DNA. That tells you how distant you are as a cousin with about 20% uncertainty out to a maximum of 6th cousin. It also tells you where in the world your ancestors came from. It doesn’t tell you where they fit in the family tree.

My closest known DNA relative shares 1.26% of nuclear DNA in four segments.
My most distant known DNA relative shares 0.12% of nuclear DNA in one segment.

The most annoying thing about the 788 DNA relatives that 23andme.com has found for me is that so far I can’t place even a single one of them on the family tree derived from BDM records. I know what you’re thinking, but the man who claimed to be my father really was my father, he had it tested.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/dna-ancestry-tests-are-meaningless-your-historical-genealogy-search-244586
DNA Ancestry Tests Are ‘Meaningless’ for Your Historical Genealogy Search

I woke up in some fancy laboratory one day , they’ve been looking for me ever since

dv said:

Must be a little galling to the Celts.

No pun intended.

A likely story :)

Has anyone pointed out that there was a great deal of Viking influence on E Scotland. I doubt that they got down to Wales, but in later years there was much interaction between Wales, Scotland and Ireland, so I think the Viking genes would be pretty well distributed.

dv said:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/dna-ancestry-tests-are-meaningless-your-historical-genealogy-search-244586
DNA Ancestry Tests Are ‘Meaningless’ for Your Historical Genealogy Search

Interesting article, though I’m inclined to believe the opposite – that DBM records are far from reliable for your Historical Genealogy Search and that DNA ancestry tests are actually more reliable. That said, there is a large random component to how much DNA a person actually inherits from their parents.

> “Autosomal DNA, which can come from any ancestor and makes up 98% of your DNA”

That one.

LOL at the one paragraph retraction at the very end of the article:

> “The original version of this article was entitled “DNA Ancestry Tests Are Meaningless for Your Genealogy Search”, which was inaccurate. The source material does not question the usefulness of DNA testing for questions about immediate biological relations, like paternity tests or adoptees looking for their biological families; its criticism was limited to DNA ancestry tests that claim to answer specific questions about ancestors in the distant past without supporting evidence from historical documents.”

wookiemeister said:

I woke up in some fancy laboratory one day, they’ve been looking for me ever since

Oh, what did you steal?