Date: 3/08/2016 19:32:01
From: monkey skipper
ID: 935147
Subject: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143584/Scopolamine-Powerful-drug-growing-forests-Colombia-ELIMINATES-free-will.html

Scopolamine,A hazardous drug that eliminates free will and can wipe the memory of its victims is currently being dealt on the streets of Colombia.

The drug is called scopolamine, but is colloquially known as ‘The Devil’s Breath,’ and is derived from a particular type of tree common to South America.

Stories surrounding the drug are the stuff of urban legends, with some telling horror stories of how people were raped, forced to empty their bank accounts, and even coerced into giving up an organ.

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Danger: ‘The Devil’s Breath’ is such a powerful drug that it can remove the capacity for free will

Danger: ‘The Devil’s Breath’ is such a powerful drug that it can remove the capacity for free will
Deadly drug: Scopolamine is made from the Borrachero tree, which blooms with deceptively beautiful white and yellow flowers

Deadly drug: Scopolamine is made from the Borrachero tree, which blooms with deceptively beautiful white and yellow flowers

VICE’s Ryan Duffy travelled to the country to find out more about the powerful drug. In two segments, he revealed the shocking culture of another Colombian drug world, interviewing those who deal the drug and those who have fallen victim to it.

Demencia Black, a drug dealer in the capital of Bogota, said the drug is frightening for the simplicity in which it can be administered.

Scopolamine can be blown in the face of a passer-by on the street, and within minutes, that person is under the drug’s effect – scopolamine is odourless and tasteless.

‘You can guide them wherever you want,’ he explained. ‘It’s like they’re a child.’

Black said that one gram of Scopolamine is similar to a gram of cocaine, but later called it ‘worse than anthrax.’

In high doses, it is lethal.
It only takes a moment: One drug dealer in Bogota explained how victims are drugged within minutes of exposure

It only takes a moment: One drug dealer in Bogota explained how victims are drugged within minutes of exposure

Victims: One Colombian woman said that under the influence of scopolamine, she led a man to her house and helped him ransack it

Victims: One Colombian woman said that under the influence of scopolamine, she led a man to her house and helped him ransack it

The drug, he said, turns people into complete zombies and blocks memories from forming. So even after the drug wears off, victims have no recollection as to what happened.

One victim told Vice that a man approached her on the street asking her for directions. Since it was close by, she helped take the man to his destination, and they drank juice together.

‘You can guide them wherever you want. It’s like they’re a child.’

She took the man to her house and helped him gather all of her belongings, including her boyfriend’s cameras and savings.

‘It is painful to have lost money,’ the woman said,’ but I was actually quite lucky.’

According to the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, the drug – also known as hyoscine – causes the same level of memory loss as diazepam.

In ancient times, the drug was given to the mistresses of dead Colombian leaders – they were told to enter their master’s grave, where they were buried alive.
Devil’s Breath: The drug is odourless and tasteless and can simply be blown in the face of someone on the street; their free will vanishes after being exposed to it

Devil’s Breath: The drug is odourless and tasteless and can simply be blown in the face of someone on the street; their free will vanishes after being exposed to it
Dangerous: Vice’s Ryan Duffy traveled to the capital of Bogota to find out more about the drug

Dangerous: Vice’s Ryan Duffy traveled to the capital of Bogota to find out more about the drug

In modern times, the CIA used the drug as part of Cold War interrogations, with the hope of using it like a truth serum.

However, because of the drug’s chemical makeup, it also induces powerful hallucinations.

The tree common around Colombia, and is called the ‘borrachero’ tree – loosely translated as the ‘get-you-drunk’ tree.

It is said that Colombian mothers warn their children not to fall asleep under the tree, though the leafy green canopies and large yellow and white flowers seem appealing.

Experts are baffled as to why Colombia is riddled with scopolamine-related crimes, but wager much of it has to do with the country’s torn drug-culture past, and on-going civil war.

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I’m shocked. I recognise this tree but can’t recall it’s name. I lived in Uganda for over thirty years and a tree exactly the same as the one in the picture grew in our garden. It’s big and very beautiful when in full bloom. If I remember rightly, the locals called it the Handkerchief Tree, because the hanging blossom looks just like a man’s white hanky if it was pinched in the middle when held out. Amazing and scary!

It’s not an angel trumpet. Those flowers point up. Hence,angel. These are a sister to the angel t’s. They’re called devils tumpe

They keep mentioning “zombies” – is that because of the recent Castle episode

Well at least the article isn’t as exaggerated as the i-dosing reports or the alcohol-based ‘body-insertion’ stories we had a while back. I doubt it is as effective as they say in aerosol form though (1g intravenously during anaesthetic may help the patient forget they woke up during surgery but won’t have quite the same effect on a conscious person wondering what this mysterious powder coming at their face is). More of a deliriant than an hallucinogen (hence why it doesn’t often get abused recreationally), side-effects include overheating, dry mouth, dilated pupils and reddened face along with the noted confusion.

Not sure what’s new here.scopolamine is not a new drug. It’s been around for years and years and has not only been used by governments but also by the medical profession. Great hype for a documentary though.

“The drug, he said, turns people into complete zombies and blocks memories from forming. So even after the drug wears off, victims have no recollection as to what happened.” Now I understand why Big Government Zombie voters keep voting for the same crowd that is causing our economic downfall. But how do they get it distributed so widely? Ahhh …. a trace of it on the lever or button which is pushed when we vote.

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Date: 3/08/2016 19:37:10
From: poikilotherm
ID: 935148
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

lol, travel sickness medication…

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Date: 3/08/2016 19:40:04
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 935149
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

poikilotherm said:


lol, travel sickness medication…

yeah, just reading the wiki. knew i had heard of it before. i think the daily mail has gone overboard here.

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Date: 3/08/2016 19:41:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 935151
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

>According to the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, the drug – also known as hyoscine – causes the same level of memory loss as diazepam.

So not much then, except for long-term addicts.

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Date: 3/08/2016 19:53:58
From: KJW
ID: 935153
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

poikilotherm said:


lol, travel sickness medication…

Yep, sounded like a hoax to me.

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Date: 3/08/2016 20:01:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 935157
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

KJW said:


poikilotherm said:

lol, travel sickness medication…

Yep, sounded like a hoax to me.

It was a joke with a punchline. Why we all vote like idiots.

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Date: 3/08/2016 20:21:39
From: btm
ID: 935176
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

From ABC Radio National’s All In The Mind, 18 Dec 2010:


Vaughan Bell: My name is Vaughan Bell, I’m a clinical psychologist and I live and work in Medellin in Colombia, in Latin America. And one of the things that’s really struck since I first moved here is stories about people being spiked with the drug burundanga.

Now many of these stories sound a bit like urban legends, and they usually go something like this: A man goes to a bar, he’s having a drink, and he meets a beautiful woman, and she eventually buys him a drink. Two days later, the man wakes up, and he can’t remember anything that’s happened since meeting the woman, but he discovers that his house and bank account have been completely cleaned out. When he tells this to his neighbours, they sound really surprised, because they saw him with an attractive stranger, loading all of his possessions into someone else’s car.

Now the belief here is that the drug removes your free will. When you’re under the influence of the drug, you just go along with whatever is said to you. (My emphasis).

The drug in that story is derived from the Angel’s Trumpet flower (genus Brugmansia), which, according to TATE, “are rich in Scopolamine (hyoscine), hyoscyamine, and several other tropane alkaloids.”

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Date: 3/08/2016 21:44:58
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 935227
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

> A hazardous drug that eliminates free will and can wipe the memory of its victims

So it’s like ethanol?

> the CIA used the drug as part of Cold War interrogations, with the hope of using it like a truth serum. However, because of the drug’s chemical makeup, it also induces powerful hallucinations.

Oh, so it is like ethanol.

> The drug turns people into complete zombies and blocks memories from forming. So even after the drug wears off, victims have no recollection as to what happened.

Very like ethanol.

> and even kill.

It must be ethanol.

Those trumpet-shaped flowers look familiar, but not that colour.

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Date: 3/08/2016 21:55:45
From: buffy
ID: 935234
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

moll – email.

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Date: 3/08/2016 22:15:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 935254
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

From wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brugmansia

> Brugmansia is a genus of seven species of flowering plants in the family Solanaceae.

The family Solanaceae are famous for containing the potato, tomato, eggplant and deadly nightshade. Slightly further away, but still within the Solanaceae, is tobacco.

The closest other genus is Datura. “All Datura plants contain tropane alkaloids such as scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and atropine. In some parts of Europe and India, Datura has been a popular poison for suicide and murder. From 1950 to 1965, the State Chemical Laboratories in Agra, India, investigated 2,778 deaths caused by ingesting Datura.” The mandrake is another of the Solanaceae that is not a Datura or Brugmansia but also contains atropine, hyoscyamine and scopolamine.

Now back to Brugmansia.

> In modern medicine, important alkaloids such as scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and atropine, found in Brugmansia and other related members of Solanaceae, have proven medical value for their spasmolytic, anti-asthmatic, anticholinergic, narcotic and anesthetic properties, although many of these alkaloids, or their equivalents, are now artificially synthesized.

> Brugmansia have also traditionally been used in many South American indigenous cultures in medical preparations and as an entheogen in religious or spiritual ceremonies. Medicinally, they have mostly been used externally as part of a poultice, tincture, ointment, or where the leaves are directly applied transdermally to the skin. Traditional external uses have included the treating of aches and pains, dermatitis, orchitis, arthritis, rheumatism, headaches, infections, and as an anti-inflammatory. They have been used internally much more rarely due to the inherent dangers of ingestion. Internal uses, in highly diluted preparations, and often as a portion of a larger mix, have included treatments for stomach and muscle ailments, as a decongestant, to induce vomiting, to expel worms and parasites, and as a sedative.

> Several South American cultures have used Brugmansia as a treatment for unruly children, that they might be admonished directly by their ancestors in the spirit world, and thereby become more compliant. Mixed with maize beer and tobacco leaves, it has been used to drug wives and slaves before they were buried alive with their dead lord.

> Brugmansia are most often grown today as flowering ornamental plants.

Hmm.

Now, what’s the difference between “hyoscene” and “scopolamine”?

Answer – nothing, the two names are used synonymously.

> Scopolamine is a medication used in the treatment of motion sickness and postoperative nausea and vomiting. One common side effect is drowsiness. It’s also used to treat Irritable bowel syndrome, and drooling.

> Scopolamine crosses the placenta and is a pregnancy category C medication. Studies in animals have revealed adverse effects on the fetus. Can enter breast milk. Metabolised by the liver. Half life in the human body 4 1/2 hours. Excreted by the kidneys.

See. Told you it was like ethanol.

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Date: 4/08/2016 07:25:51
From: poikilotherm
ID: 935297
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

mollwollfumble said:

See. Told you it was like ethanol.

Yea, that’s why ethanol is super effective for travel sickness…

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Date: 4/08/2016 08:18:56
From: Tamb
ID: 935303
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

poikilotherm said:


mollwollfumble said:

See. Told you it was like ethanol.

Yea, that’s why ethanol is super effective for travel sickness…


Scopolamine was a popular drug during the cold war. Used by both sides to extract information from captured agents. It had the innocuous name of Truth Drug.

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Date: 4/08/2016 08:22:40
From: poikilotherm
ID: 935306
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

Tamb said:


poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

See. Told you it was like ethanol.

Yea, that’s why ethanol is super effective for travel sickness…


Scopolamine was a popular drug during the cold war. Used by both sides to extract information from captured agents. It had the innocuous name of Truth Drug.

They seemed to like to use anything that made you hallucinate and forget things as a ‘truth drug’.

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Date: 4/08/2016 08:24:14
From: pommiejohn
ID: 935308
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

Tamb said:


poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

See. Told you it was like ethanol.

Yea, that’s why ethanol is super effective for travel sickness…


Scopolamine was a popular drug during the cold war. Used by both sides to extract information from captured agents. It had the innocuous name of Truth Drug.

I thought that was sodium pentothal, or is that the same stuff?

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Date: 4/08/2016 08:25:04
From: poikilotherm
ID: 935309
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

pommiejohn said:


Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Yea, that’s why ethanol is super effective for travel sickness…


Scopolamine was a popular drug during the cold war. Used by both sides to extract information from captured agents. It had the innocuous name of Truth Drug.

I thought that was sodium pentothal, or is that the same stuff?

They used multiple drugs as such things.

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Date: 4/08/2016 08:27:31
From: Tamb
ID: 935310
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

poikilotherm said:


Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Yea, that’s why ethanol is super effective for travel sickness…


Scopolamine was a popular drug during the cold war. Used by both sides to extract information from captured agents. It had the innocuous name of Truth Drug.

They seemed to like to use anything that made you hallucinate and forget things as a ‘truth drug’.


Even then it was used sparingly. Pretty much a one use drug because the victim’s brain was fried & so they couldn’t be questioned again.

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Date: 4/08/2016 08:29:58
From: Tamb
ID: 935311
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

pommiejohn said:


Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Yea, that’s why ethanol is super effective for travel sickness…


Scopolamine was a popular drug during the cold war. Used by both sides to extract information from captured agents. It had the innocuous name of Truth Drug.

I thought that was sodium pentothal, or is that the same stuff?


It was also used & is still used in legitimate medicine as a fast acting anaesthetic.

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Date: 5/08/2016 01:29:42
From: KJW
ID: 935856
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

For the chemists among us:

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Date: 5/08/2016 06:25:47
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 935863
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

KJW said:


For the chemists among us:



How does that differ from hyoscyamine and atropine? Atropine makes an appearance in Agatha Christie novels, it’s one of those useful deadly drugs that work by affecting the parasympathetic nervous system.

The chemical formula for scopolamine looks like those for atropine and hyoscyamine. Atropine differs only in missing the O below the N.

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Date: 5/08/2016 07:20:48
From: poikilotherm
ID: 935865
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

mollwollfumble said:


KJW said:

For the chemists among us:



How does that differ from hyoscyamine and atropine? Atropine makes an appearance in Agatha Christie novels, it’s one of those useful deadly drugs that work by affecting the parasympathetic nervous system.

The chemical formula for scopolamine looks like those for atropine and hyoscyamine. Atropine differs only in missing the O below the N.

They are all classed broadly as ‘anticholinergics’ and have similar actions within the body and on the Autonomic Nervous System. Much unlike alcohol…

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Date: 5/08/2016 17:44:29
From: KJW
ID: 936116
Subject: re: Scopolamine : World's Scariest Drug

mollwollfumble said:


KJW said:

For the chemists among us:



How does that differ from hyoscyamine and atropine?

Hyoscyamine, more precisely l-hyoscyamine, differs from the above structure of scopolamine only by the absence of the epoxide oxygen atom. Atropine is a mixture of both l-hyoscyamine and d-hyoscyamine (the centre of asymmetry is the benzylic carbon atom).

mollwollfumble said:


Atropine makes an appearance in Agatha Christie novels, it’s one of those useful deadly drugs that work by affecting the parasympathetic nervous system.

Atropine has been used by ophthalmologists to dilate the pupils for eye examinations.

These alkaloids act on the muscarinic acetylcholine receptors.

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