http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-arcane-rules-that-would-kick-in-if-trump-drops-out?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=atlas-page

I’ve heard bits and pieces about this possible scenario over the past few months.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/planned-parenthood-voter-registration_us_57a4cdf4e4b021fd98787cef

Clint Eastward has endorsed Donald J Trump as the next president of the United States.
That’s good enough for me going forward and eastward.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Nate Silver’s projection:

Clinton – 81.5%

Thrush – 18.5%

Peak Warming Man said:

Clint Eastward has endorsed Donald J Trump as the next president of the United States.
That’s good enough for me going forward and eastward.

I preferred his gig with the chair compared to this season of Clint.

kii said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Clint Eastward has endorsed Donald J Trump as the next president of the United States.
That’s good enough for me going forward and eastward.

I preferred his gig with the chair compared to this season of Clint.

“When I grew up, those things weren’t called racist”

Well, right. When Clint was growing up in the 1930s, everyone was racist as fuck. It was really only Hitler that gave racism a bad name.

dv said:

kii said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Clint Eastward has endorsed Donald J Trump as the next president of the United States.
That’s good enough for me going forward and eastward.

I preferred his gig with the chair compared to this season of Clint.

“When I grew up, those things weren’t called racist”

Well, right. When Clint was growing up in the 1930s, everyone was racist as fuck. It was really only Hitler that gave racism a bad name.

And even he was only selectivly racist.

Khizr Khan, the father of a Muslim-American soldier killed in Iraq in 2004 — who lampooned Donald Trump at the Democratic National Convention last week while holding a copy of the U.S. Constitution — has a history of supporting the notion that Islamic Sharia law takes precedence over the Constitution.

In a 1983 piece, Khan wrote a review for a book compiled from speeches held at a “Human Rights In Islam” seminar in Kuwait, in which he expressed his admiration for an address given by Allah K. Brohi. In the address, Brohi said human rights include the right of men to “beat” their wives if they act too “unseemly.” Brohi also advocated for Sharia punishments including stonings, floggings, and beheadings.

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/khan-thinks-sharia-trumps-u-s-constitution/

Panic Mode: Khizr Khan Deletes Law Firm Website that Specialized in Muslim Immigration

This development is significant, as his website proved—as Breitbart News and others have reported—that he financially benefits from unfettered pay-to-play Muslim migration into America.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/

assange might put a torpedo into the clinton campaign a few weeks from the election or work out a deal from hillary to get him released

Latest polls have Clinton ahead in Georgia and Missouri. The Dems might get the South back this year.

Question,
When do the Chinese hold elections?

Answer. before bleckfast like everybody else.

wookiemeister said:

assange might put a torpedo into the clinton campaign a few weeks from the election or work out a deal from hillary to get him released

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

assange might put a torpedo into the clinton campaign a few weeks from the election or work out a deal from hillary to get him released

Assange’s escape disguise?

CrazyNeutrino said:

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

assange might put a torpedo into the clinton campaign a few weeks from the election or work out a deal from hillary to get him released

Assange’s escape disguise?

Just someone taking Wookie seriously.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-08/fundraiser-aims-to-send-donald-trump-to-war-to-earn-purple-heart/7699200

US election: Fundraiser aims to ‘send Donald Trump to war’ to earn his own Purple Heart

A US veteran has started a petition to “send Donald Trump to war” so he can earn his own Purple Heart medal.

The satire GoFundMe page was started in response to the US Republican candidate’s remarks at his rally in Virginia, where he appeared flippant about handling the medal – a military honour awarded to combat-wounded servicemen and women.

Mr Trump stood on stage holding a Purple Heart medal that was handed to him by a veteran moments earlier.

“I’ve always wanted to get a Purple Heart. This was much easier,” Mr Trump said at the rally.

Decorated Army veteran Cameron Kerr started the petition in a stand against Mr Trump’s comments.

“As with seemingly everything else in his life, Mr Trump got one handed to him instead of earning it,” Mr Kerr wrote on the GoFundMe page.

“That being said, as a Purple Heart recipient who earned one the old-fashioned way by returning from Afghanistan one leg lighter, I fully endorse his desire to earn one and would happily oblige his interest in doing so, by being one of the first to chip in to fly him to the conflict zone of his choosing.

“After all, you’re never too old to follow your dreams.”

Wut?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/299624/donald-trump-titties-detroit/?utm_source=share-tw&utm_medium=button

I wouldn’t worry too much, kii.

Nate Silver’s projections:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Clinton – 86.3%

Thrush – 13.7%

kii said:

Wut?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/299624/donald-trump-titties-detroit/?utm_source=share-tw&utm_medium=button

(wipes tear)

Oh say can you see…

Normally they’d be expecting that polls will resile somewhat after Clinton’s convention bounce but there have been a string of Republicans coming out saying Trump is not fit for the presidency, including 50 national security experts. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/republican-national-security-letter-donald-trump-election-2016/

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t worry too much, kii.

Nate Silver’s projections:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Clinton – 86.3%

Thrush – 13.7%

Who’s this Thrush bird you’re always on about?

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t worry too much, kii.

Nate Silver’s projections:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Clinton – 86.3%

Thrush – 13.7%

Who’s this Thrush bird you’re always on about?

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

I wouldn’t worry too much, kii.

Nate Silver’s projections:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Clinton – 86.3%

Thrush – 13.7%

Who’s this Thrush bird you’re always on about?

Is a lovely bird and gets extra points for nearly getting him

If the polls slide a couple more percent, Clinton could win Texas.

Which states are most likely to vote Trump?

party_pants said:

Which states are most likely to vote Trump?

The dumb ones :)

party_pants said:

Which states are most likely to vote Trump?

Wyoming, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Idaho

dv said:

party_pants said:

Which states are most likely to vote Trump?

Wyoming, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Idaho

Basically, the ones where they marry their cousins.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

party_pants said:

Which states are most likely to vote Trump?

Wyoming, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Idaho

Basically, the ones where they marry their cousins.

That’s racist.

There’s some talk that Clinton may win Utah. If she did, it would be the first time the Mormon State went Democrat in 52 years.

The polls were at

Trump 37%
Clinton 25%
Johnson (the Libertarian) 16%
Stein (the Green) 1%
Other/Don’t Know 21%

But since that poll, Evan McMullin has announced that he will run as an independent. Evan is a former Republican and a Mormon. If Clinton can get that 25% to 30% and the conservative vote is split three ways…

Ah…technology :)

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/aug/10/donald-trump-twitter-republican-candidate-android-iphone?CMP=fb-gu

From Dan Rather’s fb page:
“No trying-to-be objective and fair journalist, no citizen who cares about the country and its future can ignore what Donald Trump said today. When he suggested that “The Second Amendment People” can stop Hillary Clinton he crossed a line with dangerous potential. By any objective analysis, this is a new low and unprecedented in the history of American presidential politics. This is no longer about policy, civility, decency or even temperament. This is a direct threat of violence against a political rival. It is not just against the norms of American politics, it raises a serious question of whether it is against the law. If any other citizen had said this about a Presidential candidate, would the Secret Service be investigating?

Candidate Trump will undoubtably issue an explanation; some of his surrogates are already engaged in trying to gloss it over, but once the words are out there they cannot be taken back. That is what inciting violence means. To anyone who still pretends this is a normal election of Republican against Democrat, history is watching. And I suspect its verdict will be harsh. Many have tried to do a side-shuffle and issue statements saying they strongly disagree with his rhetoric but still support the candidate. That is becoming woefully insufficient. The rhetoric is the candidate.

This cannot be treated as just another outrageous moment in the campaign. We will see whether major newscasts explain how grave and unprecedented this is and whether the headlines in tomorrow’s newspapers do it justice. We will soon know whether anyone who has publicly supported Trump explains how they can continue to do.

We are a democratic republic governed by the rule of law. We are an honest, fair and decent people. In trying to come to terms with today’s discouraging development the best I can do is to summon our greatest political poet Abraham Lincoln for perspective:

“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”

Lincoln used these stirring words to end his First Inaugural Address. It was the eve of the Civil War and sadly his call for sanity, cohesion and peace was met with horrific violence that almost left our precious Union asunder. We cannot let that happen again.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/08/report-feds-investigating-trumps-assassination-threat-against-clinton/

For my money, Trump is bullying his way to the top and it is up to those who want their country to remain the land of the free to take him away in a straightjacket to be waterboarded for the rest of his life.

(CNN)A US Secret Service official confirms to CNN that the USSS has spoken to the Trump campaign regarding his Second Amendment comments.

“There has been more than one conversation” on the topic, the official told CNN. But it’s unclear at what level in the campaign structure the conversations occurred.
The campaign told the USSS that Donald Trump did not intend to incite violence, according to the official.
“No such meeting or conversation ever happened,” Trump tweeted in response to CNN’s report.
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Hard to know who to believe.

https://wineandcheesedoodles.com/2016/07/18/periods-for-pence-the-revolution-will-be-uterized/

Pence and periods.

“We’re done trying to peacefully and logically explain why we still need feminism, trying to politely explain how sexism is still rampant, because if we are anything but polite, we’re accused of being hysterical and irrational.”

I just love this part….echoes, it echoes.

Trump and “The Second Ammendment People”. Just remember…Sarah Palin , targets and the Gifford shooting.

kii said:

Trump and “The Second Ammendment People”. Just remember…Sarah Palin , targets and the Gifford shooting.

And all the other shootings.

Donald Trump calls Obama the ‘founder of Isis’

Donald Trump escalated his rhetoric against Barack Obama on Wednesday, dubbing the US president as the “founder of Isis”.

The Republican presidential nominee’s comments, made at a rally in Sunrise, Florida, came as Trump continued to face a backlash for hinting a day earlier that his opponent, Hillary Clinton, be assassinated by gun rights supporters.

“Isis is honoring President Obama,” Trump said of Islamic State. “He is the founder of Isis. He founded Isis. And, I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.”

Trump’s declaration echoed an attack he made against Clinton last week, also in Florida, in which he said the former secretary of state “should get an award from them as the founder of Isis”…………………………………..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/donald-trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis

The gift that keeps on giving.

sibeen said:

Donald Trump calls Obama the ‘founder of Isis’

Donald Trump escalated his rhetoric against Barack Obama on Wednesday, dubbing the US president as the “founder of Isis”.

The Republican presidential nominee’s comments, made at a rally in Sunrise, Florida, came as Trump continued to face a backlash for hinting a day earlier that his opponent, Hillary Clinton, be assassinated by gun rights supporters.

“Isis is honoring President Obama,” Trump said of Islamic State. “He is the founder of Isis. He founded Isis. And, I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.”

Trump’s declaration echoed an attack he made against Clinton last week, also in Florida, in which he said the former secretary of state “should get an award from them as the founder of Isis”…………………………………..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/donald-trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis

The gift that keeps on giving.

All he needs to do now is stage a fake ISIS attack on US soil.

I have the opinion that Trump just says anything that comes to his mind.

Trump’s neurons must be tortured with entropy.

The disorder is huge with this one.

CrazyNeutrino said:

I have the opinion that Trump just says anything that comes to his mind.

Trump’s neurons must be tortured with entropy.

The disorder is huge with this one.

If you see interviews with Trump in the 80s and early 90s, he seems quite normal and cogent.

http://bluenationreview.com/trumps-violent-incitement-against-hillary-stochastic-terrorism/

http://krwg.org/post/borderland-trump-supporters-welcome-wall-their-own-backyard

kii said:

http://krwg.org/post/borderland-trump-supporters-welcome-wall-their-own-backyard

They are gunna farking need it. Trump is pulling all stops out. He’s determined to bash all opponents out of existence.

He knows not what he’s going to be able to do whence he gets there.

Makes me wonder how many of these elite sports people have this in their lives.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/08/11/kayla_harrison_won_judo_gold_for_the_u_s_for_sexual_abuse_victims_her_triumph.html

Oops, that was meant for the Olympic thread.

meh….same difference

kii said:

Oops, that was meant for the Olympic thread.

meh….same difference

Trump has done this to you. Concentrate.. manifest him out of your face.

roughbarked said:

kii said:

Oops, that was meant for the Olympic thread.

meh….same difference

Trump has done this to you. Concentrate.. manifest him out of your face.

Bullshit. Do you even hear what you say?*

*requires no response

kii said:

roughbarked said:

kii said:

Oops, that was meant for the Olympic thread.

meh….same difference

Trump has done this to you. Concentrate.. manifest him out of your face.

Bullshit. Do you even hear what you say?*

*requires no response

Have no fear. Your vice president believes that there are enough angels in the USA, to defeat him.

kii said:

Makes me wonder how many of these elite sports people have this in their lives.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/08/11/kayla_harrison_won_judo_gold_for_the_u_s_for_sexual_abuse_victims_her_triumph.html

I wonder if we’ll ever be past these terrible things.

Just got sidetracked y this article:

http://www.marieclaire.com/politics/a21997/donald-trump-katy-tur/

dv said:

kii said:

Makes me wonder how many of these elite sports people have this in their lives.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/08/11/kayla_harrison_won_judo_gold_for_the_u_s_for_sexual_abuse_victims_her_triumph.html

I wonder if we’ll ever be past these terrible things.

Maybe it’s my state of mind right now, but no – I think not. This horror is not going to stop.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-celebrities/
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For our list of pro-Clinton celebs, I collected the name of each one who appeared at the DNC, appeared in that video for the DNC in which they sang “Fight Song,” or signed MoveOn.org’s weird petition, as well as anyone who gave a maximum contribution to either the Clinton campaign or the Democratic National Committee, based on the donor lookup database maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics.
—-
Two films tied for the most pro-Clinton cast and crew: “Pitch Perfect 2,” which was made by Banks, and “Everything Is Copy,” a documentary about the author Nora Ephron. They each have eight known Clinton supporters credited in the film.

Those two movies are followed by “Fighting for Freedom: Revolution & Civil War,” a documentary about the founding of the U.S. and the seeds that led to the Civil War. Then comes “Argo” — produced by George Clooney, directed by and starring Ben Affleck, and featuring Bryan Cranston, Clea DuVall and Taylor Schilling, all Clinton backers — and the first “Pitch Perfect” film.
—-
And if you’re a conservative desperate for films with Trump backers in it, critics are raving that Baio’s “Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2” is “profoundly disturbing.”
—-

Probably not unexpected but there are a large number of actors who gave the maxium allowable amount to Clinton, or gave large amounts to the DNC. Eva Longoria, Portia de Rossi, Cameron Diaz, Sharon Stone, Jim Parsons, Jane Fonda, George Clooney, Jason Alexander, Michael Douglas, Tobey Maguire, Bruce Willis, and hundreds of other big names.

http://www.opensecrets.org/

Two actors gave Donald Trump the maximum amount, or indeed any amount over $400. Howard Parker and Ted Arcidi.
Randy Couture gave him $250, yeah I always figured him to be an arsehole.

Someone’s not a Hilary fan.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/13/trump-clinton-election-chances-moderate-policies-economy

Nice to see The Donald has hired some quality people

—-

Donald Trump’s spokeswoman leveled false accusations against President Obama on Saturday, saying he started the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan.

When asked on CNN about Trump saying Obama was the “founder” of Islamic State, spokeswoman Katrina Pierson delivered a lengthy response in which she proclaimed it was Obama who “went into Afghanistan,” where U.S. troops had begun fighting in 2001 under former President George W. Bush.

“Remember, we weren’t even in Afghanistan by this time,” she said of Obama taking office in 2009. “Barack Obama went into Afghanistan creating another problem.”

The visibly surprised CNN anchor pressed Pierson to confirm that she was saying that Obama took the country into Afghanistan.

“What I’m saying is the policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton — that was Obama’s war, yes,” Pierson said.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Pierson cited audio problems.

—-

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-donald-trump-s-spokeswoman-says-it-was-1471118986-htmlstory.html

dv said:

Nice to see The Donald has hired some quality people

—-

Donald Trump’s spokeswoman leveled false accusations against President Obama on Saturday, saying he started the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan.

When asked on CNN about Trump saying Obama was the “founder” of Islamic State, spokeswoman Katrina Pierson delivered a lengthy response in which she proclaimed it was Obama who “went into Afghanistan,” where U.S. troops had begun fighting in 2001 under former President George W. Bush.

“Remember, we weren’t even in Afghanistan by this time,” she said of Obama taking office in 2009. “Barack Obama went into Afghanistan creating another problem.”

The visibly surprised CNN anchor pressed Pierson to confirm that she was saying that Obama took the country into Afghanistan.

“What I’m saying is the policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton — that was Obama’s war, yes,” Pierson said.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Pierson cited audio problems.

—-

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-donald-trump-s-spokeswoman-says-it-was-1471118986-htmlstory.html

any dumber and she would need an iron lung.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Nice to see The Donald has hired some quality people

—-

Donald Trump’s spokeswoman leveled false accusations against President Obama on Saturday, saying he started the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan.

When asked on CNN about Trump saying Obama was the “founder” of Islamic State, spokeswoman Katrina Pierson delivered a lengthy response in which she proclaimed it was Obama who “went into Afghanistan,” where U.S. troops had begun fighting in 2001 under former President George W. Bush.

“Remember, we weren’t even in Afghanistan by this time,” she said of Obama taking office in 2009. “Barack Obama went into Afghanistan creating another problem.”

The visibly surprised CNN anchor pressed Pierson to confirm that she was saying that Obama took the country into Afghanistan.

“What I’m saying is the policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton — that was Obama’s war, yes,” Pierson said.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Pierson cited audio problems.

—-

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-donald-trump-s-spokeswoman-says-it-was-1471118986-htmlstory.html

any dumber and she would need an iron lung.

She’s wrong about ISIS too, which was founded in 1999 and blew up in 2004, so Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama cannot be considered its founders.

SASSY TRUMP: ‘Obama Founded ISIS’

Another genius voicedub by Peter Serafinowicz. Remember, the words are all Donald Trump’s. Only the delivery is different.

cringe moment

CrazyNeutrino said:

SASSY TRUMP: ‘Obama Founded ISIS’

Another genius voicedub by Peter Serafinowicz. Remember, the words are all Donald Trump’s. Only the delivery is different.

cringe moment

I posted that yesterday. I think it’s hysterical :)

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

SASSY TRUMP: ‘Obama Founded ISIS’

Another genius voicedub by Peter Serafinowicz. Remember, the words are all Donald Trump’s. Only the delivery is different.

cringe moment

I posted that yesterday. I think it’s hysterical :)

You may know Peter from Star Wars Episode I, or from Spaced.

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

SASSY TRUMP: ‘Obama Founded ISIS’

Another genius voicedub by Peter Serafinowicz. Remember, the words are all Donald Trump’s. Only the delivery is different.

cringe moment

I posted that yesterday. I think it’s hysterical :)

He has lost his marbles, that’s for sure.

dv said:

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

SASSY TRUMP: ‘Obama Founded ISIS’

Another genius voicedub by Peter Serafinowicz. Remember, the words are all Donald Trump’s. Only the delivery is different.

cringe moment

I posted that yesterday. I think it’s hysterical :)

You may know Peter from Star Wars Episode I, or from Spaced.

The voice of Darth Maul.

He really is a dreadful public speaker.

CrazyNeutrino said:

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

SASSY TRUMP: ‘Obama Founded ISIS’

Another genius voicedub by Peter Serafinowicz. Remember, the words are all Donald Trump’s. Only the delivery is different.

cringe moment

I posted that yesterday. I think it’s hysterical :)

He has lost his marbles, that’s for sure.

Did he have any before this election bizzo?

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

kii said:

I posted that yesterday. I think it’s hysterical :)

He has lost his marbles, that’s for sure.

Did he have any before this election bizzo?

It seems he lost them at birth.

dv said:

He really is a dreadful public speaker.

——

Yes, comparing Obama with him is like going from Shakespeare to Colon Lesly Dean.

tauto said:

dv said:

He really is a dreadful public speaker.

——

Yes, comparing Obama with him is like going from Shakespeare to Sir Les Patterson*.

*fixed

tauto said:

dv said:

He really is a dreadful public speaker.

——

Yes, comparing Obama with him is like going from Shakespeare to Colon Lesly Dean.

Obama runs rings around him, no question.

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

kii said:

I posted that yesterday. I think it’s hysterical :)

He has lost his marbles, that’s for sure.

Did he have any before this election bizzo?

In the 80s and early 90s interviews he presents as cogent and reasonable.

Maybe, in all seriousness, he’s not well. I can hardly bear to listen because it is all over the place. Nicky Faraj might be a pompous and bigotted twat but at least I can follow what he is saying.

AUGUST 15, 2016

Speaking in Youngstown, Ohio ahead of Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, who was the mayor of New York City on 9/11, declared that Islamic extremists hadn’t carried out any terror attacks on American soil before Barack Obama’s presidency.

“Under those 8 years, before Obama came along, we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the US,” Giuliani told the crowd. “They all started when Clinton and Obama came into office.”

—- http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rudy-giuliani-forgets-sept-11-donald-trump

Dafuq

That’s some Alzheimer’s he has there.

I am not ageist, there are people who stay sharp into their 90s like Jimmy Carter, who continue to make a valuable contribution to public life.

But there are also people in their 60s and 70s whose families need to tap them on the shoulder and say, “Maybe it is time to stop making public speeches.”

This seems to be a comprehensive and useful document:

Terrorist attacks in the USA

dv said:

I am not ageist, there are people who stay sharp into their 90s like Jimmy Carter, who continue to make a valuable contribution to public life.

But there are also people in their 60s and 70s whose families need to tap them on the shoulder and say, “Maybe it is time to stop making public speeches.”

Or even sometimes those born as recently as 4 Nov 1957.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I am not ageist, there are people who stay sharp into their 90s like Jimmy Carter, who continue to make a valuable contribution to public life.

But there are also people in their 60s and 70s whose families need to tap them on the shoulder and say, “Maybe it is time to stop making public speeches.”

Or even sometimes those born as recently as 4 Nov 1957.

In fairness, in that case I have not detected a decline.

Gullible Trump Supporters React to Outrageous, Fake Campaign Ads – Video

dv said:

Gullible Trump Supporters React to Outrageous, Fake Campaign Ads – Video

Unlike our LNP supporters who believed Shorten’s “kill medicare” campaign.

dv said:

Gullible Trump Supporters React to Outrageous, Fake Campaign Ads – Video

Kept wanting to think it was fake but apparently it was real … couldn’t stop cringing.

dv said:

Gullible Trump Supporters React to Outrageous, Fake Campaign Ads – Video

Holy pump!

http://www.r4c16.org/

One of the most persistent claims about Donald Trump’s rise is that it’s a response to economic anxiety and struggles among white working-class Americans.

This is a comforting notion, particularly for those on the left. It suggests that large numbers of Americans are not being drawn to a racist demagogue because he’s a racist demagogue, but because of the failures of modern capitalism. It also implies that these voters could be won over by a robust left-wing economic agenda that addressed their plight.

But there’s also plenty of data suggesting that this isn’t a satisfying explanation. Trump’s rise has always seemed more closely related to prejudice than economics. Analysis of surveys has shown consistently that racial resentment correlates more strongly with Trump support than one’s income or degree or pessimism about the economy.

Now, Gallup’s Jonathan Rothwell (via the Washington Post) has offered a particularly detailed argument that there’s a lot more than pure economic anxiety at work here. Gallup’s regular surveys offered Rothwell a large dataset of 87,428 Americans who told pollsters whether they held a favorable or unfavorable view of Donald Trump. That sample size let him drill down geographically, analyzing support for Trump at the regional and local level — even, on some questions, down to individual zip codes.

He then linked that geographic information to data about the decline in manufacturing, about how affected each area was by the rise of Chinese imports, about intergenerational mobility, about racial segregation, and about white mortality rates.

Trump’s base is not poor whites — it’s way more complicated than that

What Rothwell found was revelatory, to say the least. He finds that individuals who are struggling economically are not more likely to support Trump, nor are people living in areas that have suffered a loss of manufacturing jobs, an influx of immigration, or competition from China. By contrast, people in areas where whites are struggling health-wise, and in terms of intergenerational mobility (and in areas that are very racially segregated), do seem more likely to back Trump.

Trump supporters are richer, not poorer, than average: For one thing, Rothwell found that both across the overall population and among whites, support for Trump is correlated with higher income, not lower. That’s not surprising; low-income people have always preferred Democrats. But it definitely contradicts the image of Trump as spokesman for the economically struggling.

Rothwell also found that Trump supporters are no likelier to be unemployed or to have left the workforce. The problem of men dropping out of the labor force doesn’t seem to be a factor behind Trump’s rise.

“The individual data do not suggest that those who view Trump favorably are confronting abnormally high economic distress, by conventional measures of employment and income,” he concludes.

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/12/12454250/donald-trump-gallup-trade-immigration-study

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2822059

Often the word “elites” is used to mean “experts,” as in “foreign policy elites have made a tragic mess of the Middle East” or “economic policy elites have given away the store in lopsided free-trade agreements.” Let’s assume that both these propositions are true. It is a matter of historical fact that the architects of the Iraq War — the single biggest U.S. foreign policy blunder in my lifetime — and the authors of NAFTA and other free-trade pacts were, indeed, recognized experts in their fields.

But what makes anyone think the Middle East would be less bloody, or the Islamic State less of a terrorist threat, if U.S. policy had been run by people who had no expertise — who knew nothing about the region’s history, religious schisms or ethnic divides? Or that a better Trans-Pacific Partnership pact could be negotiated by someone wholly unfamiliar with the arcane minutiae of international trade agreements? Ignorance is not a virtue. Knowledge is not a vice. Pointy-heads who spend years gaining expertise in a given field may make mistakes, but the remedy is to replace them with pointy-heads who have different views — not with know-nothings who would try to navigate treacherous terrain on instinct alone.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/16/knowledge_is_not_a_vice_131510.html

dv said:

Often the word “elites” is used to mean “experts,” as in “foreign policy elites have made a tragic mess of the Middle East” or “economic policy elites have given away the store in lopsided free-trade agreements.” Let’s assume that both these propositions are true. It is a matter of historical fact that the architects of the Iraq War — the single biggest U.S. foreign policy blunder in my lifetime — and the authors of NAFTA and other free-trade pacts were, indeed, recognized experts in their fields.

But what makes anyone think the Middle East would be less bloody, or the Islamic State less of a terrorist threat, if U.S. policy had been run by people who had no expertise — who knew nothing about the region’s history, religious schisms or ethnic divides? Or that a better Trans-Pacific Partnership pact could be negotiated by someone wholly unfamiliar with the arcane minutiae of international trade agreements? Ignorance is not a virtue. Knowledge is not a vice. Pointy-heads who spend years gaining expertise in a given field may make mistakes, but the remedy is to replace them with pointy-heads who have different views — not with know-nothings who would try to navigate treacherous terrain on instinct alone.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/16/knowledge_is_not_a_vice_131510.html

Realistically, the bloke who wrote this is an idiot. Iraq War a worse tragedy for the USA than the Vietnam War?

Anyone who can write that sort of bilge without exploding has to be either plauded for the chutzpah, or just completely wiped off as a bit brain dead.

I suspect the latter is in order here.

I’m back, back in chat. With a bloody nose.

kii said:

I’m back, back in chat. With a bloody nose.

Well, back in something….

kii said:

I’m back, back in chat. With a bloody nose.

No, no you are not.

I blame the Devil dog.

sibeen said:

kii said:

I’m back, back in chat. With a bloody nose.

No, no you are not.

I blame the Devil dog.

She’s right here.

Waiting.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Often the word “elites” is used to mean “experts,” as in “foreign policy elites have made a tragic mess of the Middle East” or “economic policy elites have given away the store in lopsided free-trade agreements.” Let’s assume that both these propositions are true. It is a matter of historical fact that the architects of the Iraq War — the single biggest U.S. foreign policy blunder in my lifetime — and the authors of NAFTA and other free-trade pacts were, indeed, recognized experts in their fields.

But what makes anyone think the Middle East would be less bloody, or the Islamic State less of a terrorist threat, if U.S. policy had been run by people who had no expertise — who knew nothing about the region’s history, religious schisms or ethnic divides? Or that a better Trans-Pacific Partnership pact could be negotiated by someone wholly unfamiliar with the arcane minutiae of international trade agreements? Ignorance is not a virtue. Knowledge is not a vice. Pointy-heads who spend years gaining expertise in a given field may make mistakes, but the remedy is to replace them with pointy-heads who have different views — not with know-nothings who would try to navigate treacherous terrain on instinct alone.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/16/knowledge_is_not_a_vice_131510.html

Realistically, the bloke who wrote this is an idiot. Iraq War a worse tragedy for the USA than the Vietnam War?

Anyone who can write that sort of bilge without exploding has to be either plauded for the chutzpah, or just completely wiped off as a bit brain dead.

I suspect the latter is in order here.

Maybe he’s just young.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Often the word “elites” is used to mean “experts,” as in “foreign policy elites have made a tragic mess of the Middle East” or “economic policy elites have given away the store in lopsided free-trade agreements.” Let’s assume that both these propositions are true. It is a matter of historical fact that the architects of the Iraq War — the single biggest U.S. foreign policy blunder in my lifetime — and the authors of NAFTA and other free-trade pacts were, indeed, recognized experts in their fields.

But what makes anyone think the Middle East would be less bloody, or the Islamic State less of a terrorist threat, if U.S. policy had been run by people who had no expertise — who knew nothing about the region’s history, religious schisms or ethnic divides? Or that a better Trans-Pacific Partnership pact could be negotiated by someone wholly unfamiliar with the arcane minutiae of international trade agreements? Ignorance is not a virtue. Knowledge is not a vice. Pointy-heads who spend years gaining expertise in a given field may make mistakes, but the remedy is to replace them with pointy-heads who have different views — not with know-nothings who would try to navigate treacherous terrain on instinct alone.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/08/16/knowledge_is_not_a_vice_131510.html

Realistically, the bloke who wrote this is an idiot. Iraq War a worse tragedy for the USA than the Vietnam War?

Anyone who can write that sort of bilge without exploding has to be either plauded for the chutzpah, or just completely wiped off as a bit brain dead.

I suspect the latter is in order here.

Maybe he’s just young.

Nup, he’s not.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-still-has-a-chance-doesnt-he/

clare.malone: As Nate alluded to above, Twitter is abuzz with the news that Roger Ailes is now advising Trump. People are basically asking how this might affect things — obviously, that’s only a single person, so I’m skeptical about how much impact Ailes will have, especially since Trump seems to ignore a lot of the professional advice he’s given.

harry: No matter how good a magician is, if the bunny in his or her hat is dead, the magician will stink. I don’t know if Ailes can do anything.

natesilver: You could argue that no person is singularly more responsible for Donald Trump, and the potential disaster he is for the Republican Party, than Roger Ailes. So it would be fitting, in some ways.

micah: But couldn’t Ailes help get Trump to behave? Or, forget Ailes — what if Trump starts acting like a normal candidate? I don’t think there’s really any chance of this happening, but if it did, couldn’t the race shift to be more in line with the fundamentals and tighten? How many Americans haven’t even tuned into the election yet?

natesilver: The problem is that Ailes, like Trump, exists in a bubble where they confuse the sentiments of 35 percent of America for the county as a whole.

dv said:

atesilver: The problem is that Ailes, like Trump, exists in a bubble where they confuse the sentiments of 35 percent of America for the county as a whole.

That much?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-lawmakers-seek-information-team-trumps-russia-ties

GOP lawmakers seek information on Team Trump’s Russia ties

The latest revelations surrounding Donald Trump’s presidential campaign team and ties to pro-Putin forces abroad have sparked plenty of interest. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, yesterday urged the Republican nominee to “immediately disclose any payments by pro-Putin groups to his campaign chairman or other key staff, and assure the American public that these payments have not influenced his campaign proposals or any action he might take in the White House.”

Schiff isn’t the only one looking for answers. CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) yesterday about the allegations surrounding Paul Manafort and his financial ties to pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. The Republican congressman responded:
“Yes, look, I think Donald Trump ought to really investigate this and where his chief adviser, what his association with the Russians are.

“e do know that there was a push for some reason at the RNC to take offensive weapons out of our platform. That wasn’t anything anybody was talking about it. It just happened. That has been this affection in the campaign for Russia and Vladimir Putin.

“In my thought, I have concerns for the chief adviser of Donald Trump, you know, having done work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine, and, then, all of a sudden, there is this real affection for Russia in the campaign.”
This morning, Rep. Sean Duffy (R-Wis.) also appeared on CNN and said, “I want to know what money got from a pro-Russian organization in the Ukraine.”

It seems unlikely that a Republican-led Congress will pursue these questions with any real enthusiasm so close to the presidential election, but Team Trump already has enough problems on its plate. The last thing the GOP ticket needs is congressional Republicans complaining publicly and asking questions like these.

—-

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?_r=0 Secret Ledger in Ukraine Lists Cash for Donald Trump’s Campaign Chief KIEV, Ukraine — On a leafy side street off Independence Square in Kiev is an office used for years by Donald J. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, when he consulted for Ukraine’s ruling political party. His furniture and personal items were still there as recently as May.

And Mr. Manafort’s presence remains elsewhere here in the capital, where government investigators examining secret records have found his name, as well as companies he sought business with, as they try to untangle a corrupt network they say was used to loot Ukrainian assets and influence elections during the administration of Mr. Manafort’s main client, former President Viktor F. Yanukovych.

Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.

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Interesting. A smear campaign against Trump as some sort of pro-Russian traitor will hurt him much more than anything the Clinton camp can throw at him.

party_pants said:

Interesting. A smear campaign against Trump as some sort of pro-Russian traitor will hurt him much more than anything the Clinton camp can throw at him.

Unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to be any kind of smear campaign. This is a neutral reporting of self-evident facts.

Says who?

I remember Ross Perot’s victory speech when he lost the presidential election.

“They said we couldn’t do it!”, he beamed.

But strangely he didn’t add: “…and they were right!”

I’ve been thinking of The Emperor’s New Clothes for a while.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/18/nude-donald-trump-statues-new-york-indecline?CMP=fb_gu

Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates announced the decision on Thursday in a memo that instructs officials to either decline to renew the contracts for private prison operators when they expire or “substantially reduce” the contracts’ scope.

The goal, Yates wrote, is “reducing — and ultimately ending — our use of privately operated prisons.” The Justice Department plans to end its use of private prisons after officials concluded the facilities are both less safe and less effective at providing correctional services than those run by the government.

The 13 privately run facilities will not close overnight. Yates said the Justice Department would not terminate existing contracts but instead review those that come up for renewal. She said all of the contracts would come up for renewal over the next five years…. by May 1, 2017, the total private prison population would stand at less than 14,200 inmates.

She said it was “hard to know precisely” when all the privately run facilities would no longer have federal inmates, though she noted 14,200 was less than half the inmates they held at their apex three years ago, a figure she said indicated the department was “well on our way to ultimately eliminating the use of private prisons entirely.”

kii said:

I’ve been thinking of The Emperor’s New Clothes for a while.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/18/nude-donald-trump-statues-new-york-indecline?CMP=fb_gu

A good likeness, except dick way too big.

The thing with rise of Drumpf I reckon is he’s just the biggest dummy spitter in a nation having a massive collective dummy spit about declining living standards and no longer being the boss of the world.

Ian said:

The thing with rise of Drumpf I reckon is he’s just the biggest dummy spitter in a nation having a massive collective dummy spit about declining living standards and no longer being the boss of the world.

It makes sense doesn’t it, the decline of the USA as the top economic power and world police, because it’s become corrupt and xenophobic just like every empire that’s ever existed.

Ian said:

The thing with rise of Drumpf I reckon is he’s just the biggest dummy spitter in a nation having a massive collective dummy spit about declining living standards and no longer being the boss of the world.

You know something is really wrong with people when they call plastic cutlery “silverware”.

kii said:

Ian said:

The thing with rise of Drumpf I reckon is he’s just the biggest dummy spitter in a nation having a massive collective dummy spit about declining living standards and no longer being the boss of the world.

You know something is really wrong with people when they call plastic cutlery “silverware”.

Really? Never heard that one.

Ian said:

kii said:

Ian said:

The thing with rise of Drumpf I reckon is he’s just the biggest dummy spitter in a nation having a massive collective dummy spit about declining living standards and no longer being the boss of the world.

You know something is really wrong with people when they call plastic cutlery “silverware”.

Really? Never heard that one.

Yep….all the time.

You can buy silver-coloured plastic cutlery. That just takes the cake, IMO.

kii said:

Ian said:

The thing with rise of Drumpf I reckon is he’s just the biggest dummy spitter in a nation having a massive collective dummy spit about declining living standards and no longer being the boss of the world.

You know something is really wrong with people when they call plastic cutlery “silverware”.

“I’m tired of using plastic silverware
I’m tired of working at Builder’s Square
Tired of not being a millionaire”

The thing is, the people whose wages have stagnated are not the people who are supporting Trump. His sweet spot in the polls is people earning between 75000 and 125000 dollars per year. The working poor aren’t interested in him.

dv said:

The thing is, the people whose wages have stagnated are not the people who are supporting Trump. His sweet spot in the polls is people earning between 75000 and 125000 dollars per year. The working poor aren’t interested in him.

Yes I read that analysis the other day, surprised me, goes against the conventional punditry.

>His sweet spot in the polls is stupid people earning between 75000 and 125000 dollars per year.

adjusted

Bubblecar said:

>His sweet spot in the polls is stupid white people earning between 75000 and 125000 dollars per year.

adjusted

adjusted again. His numbers among Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and Native Americans are pretty bad in all income brackets…

Donald Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort resigns.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-20/paul-manafort-resigns-from-trump-campaign/7768584

Shocked. Shocked and stunned. I don’t like to be the one to say it, but this just may be the turnaround that Clinton needed so that she could dive across the line.

sibeen said:

Donald Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort resigns.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-20/paul-manafort-resigns-from-trump-campaign/7768584

Shocked. Shocked and stunned. I don’t like to be the one to say it, but this just may be the turnaround that Clinton needed so that she could dive across the line.

Stumble across more like. It’s pretty sad when you are struggling against Trump.

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

Donald Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort resigns.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-20/paul-manafort-resigns-from-trump-campaign/7768584

Shocked. Shocked and stunned. I don’t like to be the one to say it, but this just may be the turnaround that Clinton needed so that she could dive across the line.

Stumble across more like. It’s pretty sad when you are struggling against Trump.

She’s shitting it in. It would take a huge stumble of hers for the election to be close.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

Donald Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort resigns.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-20/paul-manafort-resigns-from-trump-campaign/7768584

Shocked. Shocked and stunned. I don’t like to be the one to say it, but this just may be the turnaround that Clinton needed so that she could dive across the line.

Stumble across more like. It’s pretty sad when you are struggling against Trump.

She’s shitting it in. It would take a huge stumble of hers for the election to be close.

Just goes to show, don’t fuck with the veterans.

I want to hear Trump make a last desperate plea for the Great American Vote.

By actually claiming, in a wild ad lib speech, that all Americans who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ have no choice but to vote for Donald Trump.

“I didn’t want have to mention this, you know….I didn’t want to have to make it so plain.I have to tell you now….I guess it’s my duty. But yup, I am He. I am the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am Christ. I am Jesus. It’s as simple as that.”

The Trump campaign has taken advantage of racial disgruntlement that is normally only winked at.

13% of American adults are opposed to mixed-race marriages. http://www.gallup.com/poll/163697/approve-marriage-blacks-whites.aspx
So there is a big chunk of the country that was never really cool with integration.
Only about 60% of Americans show up to vote so mobilising those people to vote can have a major ompact. It is pretty clear that Trump’s strategy is still to appeal to the fringe.

In 2012, 29% of Republican voters in Mississippi think interracial marriages should be illegal, 54% said legal, 12% not sure. The figures for Alabama were 21% illegal, 67% legal, 12% unsure.

Clinton 84.7%.

Thrush 15.2%.

Thrush is actually improving his position. He must have shut up for a week.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

From: sibeen
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Subject: re: August Discussion
dv said:

Basically I think the only thing that can stop her now is some unforeseen calamity. e.g. sudden death.
Is there some context for this sentence, or would I have to read too far back?

From: Rule 303
ID: 946206
Subject: re: August Discussion
Sportsbet are offering $1.27 on Hilary. I don’t bet but that’s tempting.

it ain’t over til Trump’s hair sings.

As a painter I say Trump’s colour isn’t orange but ‘im-peach…………….

So, did any of the holiday forum election watchers watch the first debate?

furious said:

So, did any of the holiday forum election watchers watch the first debate?

No. Just a compilation of the sniffs and lip-smacking that Trump did for the whole debate.

Well, I lie. Only watched 30 seconds of the video.

furious said:

So, did any of the holiday forum election watchers watch the first debate?

i had it on. it was strange. i think i am with the people who think Trump was wasted.

The media I have seen so far marked it as a Clinton win but they have their own agendas so was interested to see if the casual observer thought the same. Though the the media also says it was unlikely to sway pro-trump supporters as they think he walks on water…apparently…

furious said:

The media I have seen so far marked it as a Clinton win but they have their own agendas so was interested to see if the casual observer thought the same. Though the the media also says it was unlikely to sway pro-trump supporters as they think he walks on water…apparently…

I thought both were badly advised and should have played to being presidential, instead they both got down into the dirt with each other. It was a points win and fans of both candidates will probably think their person got the edge so in that sense I don’t think there was any clear winner. If Hilary is as good as she thinks she is, and he is as bad as she thinks he is, then it should have been a flogging for Trump and that didn’t happen.

furious said:

So, did any of the holiday forum election watchers watch the first debate?

I gave up following that election after the first year or so of the campaigns.

sarahs mum said:

furious said:

So, did any of the holiday forum election watchers watch the first debate?

i had it on. it was strange. i think i am with the people who think Trump was wasted.

Had he been drinking alcohol?

Maybe slow down the video

This is sniff compilation, with added lip noises and pinchy fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJjUv_TD2E

kii said:

This is sniff compilation, with added lip noises and pinchy fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJjUv_TD2E

Dear oh dear.

He really does like displaying those tiny hands while he’s sniffing.

CrazyNeutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

furious said:

So, did any of the holiday forum election watchers watch the first debate?

i had it on. it was strange. i think i am with the people who think Trump was wasted.

Had he been drinking alcohol?

things go better with coke.

Bubblecar said:

furious said:

So, did any of the holiday forum election watchers watch the first debate?

I gave up following that election after the first year or so of the campaigns.

Imagine if America got caught in a giant Ground Hog American Election that went on for a Year
Trump and Clinton had to rid themselves of all political and social imperfections
and every Jan 1 went back to the previous Jan 1

Donald Trump vows to hit rival Hillary Clinton harder in the next US presidential debate after she put him on the defensive by accusing him of being racist, sexist and a tax dodger during their first matchup.

From Justin. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-28/trump-vows-to-hit-clinton-harder-in-next-us-presidential-debate/7883392

AwesomeO said:

furious said:

The media I have seen so far marked it as a Clinton win but they have their own agendas so was interested to see if the casual observer thought the same. Though the the media also says it was unlikely to sway pro-trump supporters as they think he walks on water…apparently…

I thought both were badly advised and should have played to being presidential, instead they both got down into the dirt with each other. It was a points win and fans of both candidates will probably think their person got the edge so in that sense I don’t think there was any clear winner. If Hilary is as good as she thinks she is, and he is as bad as she thinks he is, then it should have been a flogging for Trump and that didn’t happen.

That sort of implies that you don’t think that Trump is as bad as Hilary thinks he is, which seems a strange sort of thing to think.

Didn’t watch it, and having just seen 10 seconds on the news, glad I didn’t (but from the 10 seconds I saw, yes, Clinton should get a crash course on Presidentiality from Obama).

From either Obama, come to think of it.

roughbarked said:

Donald Trump vows to hit rival Hillary Clinton harder in the next US presidential debate after she put him on the defensive by accusing him of being racist, sexist and a tax dodger during their first matchup.

From Justin. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-28/trump-vows-to-hit-clinton-harder-in-next-us-presidential-debate/7883392

Eh?

I thought being sexist, racist and a tax dodger was the whole basis of his platform.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Donald Trump vows to hit rival Hillary Clinton harder in the next US presidential debate after she put him on the defensive by accusing him of being racist, sexist and a tax dodger during their first matchup.

From Justin. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-28/trump-vows-to-hit-clinton-harder-in-next-us-presidential-debate/7883392

Eh?

I thought being sexist, racist and a tax dodger was the whole basis of his platform.

It’s surprising how many people respond to this platform. And the making shit up tactic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/11-times-women-wanted-to-throw-things-at-the-tv-monday-night_us_57e9b311e4b082aad9b6545f?utm_source=nar.al&utm_medium=urlshortener&utm_campaign=FB

He also said that Clinton had been trying to defeat ISIS “all of her adult life”.

ISIS formed in 2009 so Clinton is about 26 years old.

dv said:

He also said that Clinton had been trying to defeat ISIS “all of her adult life”.

ISIS formed in 2009 so Clinton is about 26 years old.

WRONG!

dv said:

He also said that Clinton had been trying to defeat ISIS “all of her adult life”.

ISIS formed in 2009 so Clinton is about 26 years old.

What he says doesn’t really matter, it’s his sniffs and pinchy fingers that convince his followers.

kii said:

This is sniff compilation, with added lip noises and pinchy fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJjUv_TD2E

Bubblecar said:

kii said:

This is sniff compilation, with added lip noises and pinchy fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJjUv_TD2E

i tried sniffing coke but the bubbles got up my nose.

kii said:

dv said:

He also said that Clinton had been trying to defeat ISIS “all of her adult life”.

ISIS formed in 2009 so Clinton is about 26 years old.

WRONG!

Hush you. It is not the media’s role to fact check.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

kii said:

This is sniff compilation, with added lip noises and pinchy fingers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJjUv_TD2E

i tried sniffing coke but the bubbles got up my nose.

Hey Bubbles gets up my nose too sometimes but all things considered he is a good egg.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

i tried sniffing coke but the bubbles got up my nose.

Hey Bubbles gets up my nose too sometimes but all things considered he is a good egg.

No. He is the bad egg that gets away with it. He does set off my youngest child syndrome.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

i tried sniffing coke but the bubbles got up my nose.

Hey Bubbles gets up my nose too sometimes but all things considered he is a good egg.

No. He is the bad egg that gets away with it. He does set off my youngest child syndrome.

Who, me?

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Hey Bubbles gets up my nose too sometimes but all things considered he is a good egg.

No. He is the bad egg that gets away with it. He does set off my youngest child syndrome.

Who, me?

Ah. No. Not you.

Started watching this earlier today: " The Choice 2016 (full film) | FRONTLINE ":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uScWHcTzk The dueling stories of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as they battle for the presidency.

[quote=kii] Started watching this earlier today: " The Choice 2016 (full film) | FRONTLINE ":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uScWHcTzk The dueling stories of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as they battle for the presidency. [/quote] Apparently not available in Australia, but it seems that you can get the audio from iTunes. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/

http://krwg.org/post/watch-unable-name-foreign-leader-gary-johnson-has-another-aleppo-moment

[quote=kii] Started watching this earlier today: " The Choice 2016 (full film) | FRONTLINE ":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uScWHcTzk The dueling stories of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as they battle for the presidency. [/quote] Finished watching. What a dreadful man Trump is. There's no way to see him any other way and this film doesn't even touch on the Trump University scandal, the under-age sex scandal....my brain is hurting. It also reinforces my opinion that whatever Clinton has done "wrong", she is a fighter and a very strong woman.

Electoral college formally elects Donald Trump as president.

sibeen said:

Electoral college formally elects Donald Trump as president.

STOP IT!! I DON’T WANT TO KNOW!

Think I need another dose of my medication.

I just thought you’d want something to help cheer you up for xmas.

sibeen said:

I just thought you’d want something to help cheer you up for xmas.

You’re so kind.

But I think they are in a different part of Berlin, as far as I can sort out from Google maps.

Whoops. Sorry.