http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-04/silver-we-should-‘pay-for-success’-in-tackling-homelessness/7689958

New programs for the homeless link taxpayer funding to outcomes, making service providers more accountable for the impacts their programs have on those they seek to serve, writes Matthew Tyler.

As Homelessness Week draws to a close, I’ve been reflecting on Pink Floyd’s epic ballad from 30 years ago: “No more turning away from the weak and the weary.”

Following brave protests across the country, homelessness has made an overdue ascent on the political agenda with additional funding in several states, including Victoria, New South Wales, and South Australia. But we’ve seen short-term cash splashes before. So what makes this time different? Three words: Pay For Success.

Currently, state governments pay social service providers based on activities. These include providing shelter beds, serving meals or seeing patients. While these services are critical, funding is not tied to sustainable improvements in people’s lives. The result is a seemingly unrelenting need for short-term reactionary support.

In contrast, Pay For Success means government funding is tied to measureable life outcomes. Examples of outcomes from existing projects of outcomes from existing projects include reductions in reoffending following release from prison, entry into sustained employment and family reunification for children in state care. If the agreed outcomes are not delivered, then taxpayers do not pay.
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Refugees in their own land: how Indigenous people are still homeless in modern Australia

https://theconversation.com/refugees-in-their-own-land-how-indigenous-people-are-still-homeless-in-modern-australia-55183

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-04/silver-we-should-‘pay-for-success’-in-tackling-homelessness/7689958

in a world where $ are the dominant currency in human exchanges, it has a modern logic, as homeless people are an embarrassment, an indicative failure, so I suppose more of the same is the answer, their payments and support can be bounced endlessly for non-compliance, and eventually capitalism’ll be made to appear as if it works better than it does.

get the remaining kids off the streets too, I want to see empty public spaces. The only people I want to see are those going to work, coming home from work, or shopping.

https://theconversation.com/refugees-in-their-own-land-how-indigenous-people-are-still-homeless-in-modern-australia-55183

“…Indigenous people have been without a physical space to reinvent themselves and their culture in modern Australia…”

half a century of cultural determinism imposed on them (distorting reality) courtesy the humanities, social sciences etc, then when that ought be dead it continues on via the media.

it’d be grotesque if it wasn’t normal

I don’t understand homelessness. I think (but don’t know for sure) that miss mollwollfumble is homeless. But that’s not because of lack of money, or lack of a place to live (she’s paying rent on a place that she doesn’t live in). It seems to be either a lifestyle choice, or something else is stopping her from moving into fixed accommodation.

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t understand homelessness. I think (but don’t know for sure) that miss mollwollfumble is homeless. But that’s not because of lack of money, or lack of a place to live (she’s paying rent on a place that she doesn’t live in). It seems to be either a lifestyle choice, or something else is stopping her from moving into fixed accommodation.

Mental illness and/or drug abuse is a big part of it, not saying that’s the reason she may be homeless but for many others it is. I also imagine people living from pay check to pay check could become homeless pretty quick if the loose their job and can’t find another quickly

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t understand homelessness. I think (but don’t know for sure) that miss mollwollfumble is homeless. But that’s not because of lack of money, or lack of a place to live (she’s paying rent on a place that she doesn’t live in). It seems to be either a lifestyle choice, or something else is stopping her from moving into fixed accommodation.

Mental illness and/or drug abuse is a big part of it, not saying that’s the reason she may be homeless but for many others it is. I also imagine people living from pay check to pay check could become homeless pretty quick if the loose their job and can’t find another quickly

add marriage separations..add shortages in rental accommodations in may areas.

(I was homeless once. Let’s just say my home life was risky. I couch surfed until I got a job. Luckily in 1975 it was easy to get a job. I share housed for many years until my job was such that I could afford a one bed unit.)

(If you are couch surfing you are not homeless. I looked after a homeless man once. They punished him for sharing my food and roof by dropping him down the housing list.).

sarahs mum said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t understand homelessness. I think (but don’t know for sure) that miss mollwollfumble is homeless. But that’s not because of lack of money, or lack of a place to live (she’s paying rent on a place that she doesn’t live in). It seems to be either a lifestyle choice, or something else is stopping her from moving into fixed accommodation.

Mental illness and/or drug abuse is a big part of it, not saying that’s the reason she may be homeless but for many others it is. I also imagine people living from pay check to pay check could become homeless pretty quick if the loose their job and can’t find another quickly

add marriage separations..add shortages in rental accommodations in may areas.

(I was homeless once. Let’s just say my home life was risky. I couch surfed until I got a job. Luckily in 1975 it was easy to get a job. I share housed for many years until my job was such that I could afford a one bed unit.)

(If you are couch surfing you are not homeless. I looked after a homeless man once. They punished him for sharing my food and roof by dropping him down the housing list.).

It counts against him when weighed against someone with children needing housing. It is best to use one of the advocate services to get housing in any time to save you becoming completely destitute. Housing employees are paper-filers while the contractors are obligated to representing your best interest rather than minimising their workload.

Postpocelipse said:

sarahs mum said:

Cymek said:

Mental illness and/or drug abuse is a big part of it, not saying that’s the reason she may be homeless but for many others it is. I also imagine people living from pay check to pay check could become homeless pretty quick if the loose their job and can’t find another quickly

add marriage separations..add shortages in rental accommodations in may areas.

(I was homeless once. Let’s just say my home life was risky. I couch surfed until I got a job. Luckily in 1975 it was easy to get a job. I share housed for many years until my job was such that I could afford a one bed unit.)

(If you are couch surfing you are not homeless. I looked after a homeless man once. They punished him for sharing my food and roof by dropping him down the housing list.).

It counts against him when weighed against someone with children needing housing. It is best to use one of the advocate services to get housing in any time to save you becoming completely destitute. Housing employees are paper-filers while the contractors are obligated to representing your best interest rather than minimising their workload.

Homeless man came complete with 4 year old daughter. It was one of the reasons I intervened. Homeless man also had a history of being childhood abuse by clergy. It was all very sad.

sarahs mum said:

Postpocelipse said:

sarahs mum said:

add marriage separations..add shortages in rental accommodations in may areas.

(I was homeless once. Let’s just say my home life was risky. I couch surfed until I got a job. Luckily in 1975 it was easy to get a job. I share housed for many years until my job was such that I could afford a one bed unit.)

(If you are couch surfing you are not homeless. I looked after a homeless man once. They punished him for sharing my food and roof by dropping him down the housing list.).

It counts against him when weighed against someone with children needing housing. It is best to use one of the advocate services to get housing in any time to save you becoming completely destitute. Housing employees are paper-filers while the contractors are obligated to representing your best interest rather than minimising their workload.

Homeless man came complete with 4 year old daughter. It was one of the reasons I intervened. Homeless man also had a history of being childhood abuse by clergy. It was all very sad.

I do wonder if by the time someone becomes homeless in such a manner it’s already too late to change their lives significantly for the better

sarahs mum said:

Postpocelipse said:

sarahs mum said:

add marriage separations..add shortages in rental accommodations in may areas.

(I was homeless once. Let’s just say my home life was risky. I couch surfed until I got a job. Luckily in 1975 it was easy to get a job. I share housed for many years until my job was such that I could afford a one bed unit.)

(If you are couch surfing you are not homeless. I looked after a homeless man once. They punished him for sharing my food and roof by dropping him down the housing list.).

It counts against him when weighed against someone with children needing housing. It is best to use one of the advocate services to get housing in any time to save you becoming completely destitute. Housing employees are paper-filers while the contractors are obligated to representing your best interest rather than minimising their workload.

Homeless man came complete with 4 year old daughter. It was one of the reasons I intervened. Homeless man also had a history of being childhood abuse by clergy. It was all very sad.

Course. Mediation usually is required for this to be accounted.

Postpocelipse said:

sarahs mum said:

Postpocelipse said:

It counts against him when weighed against someone with children needing housing. It is best to use one of the advocate services to get housing in any time to save you becoming completely destitute. Housing employees are paper-filers while the contractors are obligated to representing your best interest rather than minimising their workload.

Homeless man came complete with 4 year old daughter. It was one of the reasons I intervened. Homeless man also had a history of being childhood abuse by clergy. It was all very sad.

Man took a keep keep quiet payment from the church. It wasn’t a large amount. Centrelink and ex spouse fought about who was going to have it until an MP intervened. Ex spouse (schizophrenic) got custody. Kid now with maternal grandparents. Man gone bush.

Course. Mediation usually is required for this to be accounted.

sarahs mum said:

Postpocelipse said:

sarahs mum said:

Homeless man came complete with 4 year old daughter. It was one of the reasons I intervened. Homeless man also had a history of being childhood abuse by clergy. It was all very sad.

Man took a keep keep quiet payment from the church. It wasn’t a large amount. Centrelink and ex spouse fought about who was going to have it until an MP intervened. Ex spouse (schizophrenic) got custody. Kid now with maternal grandparents. Man gone bush.

Course. Mediation usually is required for this to be accounted.

Good on the church for the keep quiet payment, one wouldn’t want them to admit what they allowed and covered up is some of the worst of human behaviour

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

Postpocelipse said:

Course. Mediation usually is required for this to be accounted.

Good on the church for the keep quiet payment, one wouldn’t want them to admit what they allowed and covered up is some of the worst of human behaviour

the big unknown behind the the kiddy fiddling commission is what might have been said without the pay offs. They were paying oout for years in the lead up. While they were selling all the rural churches.

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t understand homelessness.

The ABS statistical definition states that when a person does not have suitable accommodation alternatives they are considered homeless if their current living arrangement:

is in a dwelling that is inadequate; or
has no tenure, or if their initial tenure is short and not extendable; or
does not allow them to have control of, and access to space for social relations.

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t understand homelessness.

The ABS statistical definition states that when a person does not have suitable accommodation alternatives they are considered homeless if their current living arrangement:

is in a dwelling that is inadequate; or
has no tenure, or if their initial tenure is short and not extendable; or
does not allow them to have control of, and access to space for social relations.

So that includes living in a car.
What if the car is parked overnight at a caravan park 5 days a week, does that count?

The word “tenure” in this context has me baffled. I know the meaning as an appointment that lasts until retirement age, or more waffley as “conditions under which land is held”.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

I don’t understand homelessness.

The ABS statistical definition states that when a person does not have suitable accommodation alternatives they are considered homeless if their current living arrangement:

is in a dwelling that is inadequate; or
has no tenure, or if their initial tenure is short and not extendable; or
does not allow them to have control of, and access to space for social relations.

So that includes living in a car.
What if the car is parked overnight at a caravan park 5 days a week, does that count?

No, that’s homeless.

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

The ABS statistical definition states that when a person does not have suitable accommodation alternatives they are considered homeless if their current living arrangement:

is in a dwelling that is inadequate; or
has no tenure, or if their initial tenure is short and not extendable; or
does not allow them to have control of, and access to space for social relations.

So that includes living in a car.
What if the car is parked overnight at a caravan park 5 days a week, does that count?

No, that’s homeless.

You’ve never had social relations in a car?

Car and I are just good friends.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

So that includes living in a car.
What if the car is parked overnight at a caravan park 5 days a week, does that count?

No, that’s homeless.

You’ve never had social relations in a car?

I have owned several panel vans.

;)

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

No, that’s homeless.

You’ve never had social relations in a car?

I have owned several panel vans.

;)

I see a trail through history of wincing romantic partners………..

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

No, that’s homeless.

You’ve never had social relations in a car?

I have owned several panel vans.

;)

I lived in my station wagon for a month a few years back