Much ado about nothing: Astronomers use empty space to study the universe
A lot of information contained in cosmic voids, study suggests
An international team of astronomers reports that they were able to achieve four times better precision in measurements of how the universe’s visible matter is clustered together by studying the empty spaces in between.
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CrazyNeutrino said:
It is the way the Aborigine viewed it. Science is following their lead.
Much ado about nothing: Astronomers use empty space to study the universeA lot of information contained in cosmic voids, study suggests
An international team of astronomers reports that they were able to achieve four times better precision in measurements of how the universe’s visible matter is clustered together by studying the empty spaces in between.
more…
roughbarked said:
CrazyNeutrino said:It is the way the Aborigine viewed it. Science is following their lead.
Much ado about nothing: Astronomers use empty space to study the universeA lot of information contained in cosmic voids, study suggests
An international team of astronomers reports that they were able to achieve four times better precision in measurements of how the universe’s visible matter is clustered together by studying the empty spaces in between.
more…
doubtful aboriginals went this deep.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
CrazyNeutrino said:It is the way the Aborigine viewed it. Science is following their lead.
Much ado about nothing: Astronomers use empty space to study the universeA lot of information contained in cosmic voids, study suggests
An international team of astronomers reports that they were able to achieve four times better precision in measurements of how the universe’s visible matter is clustered together by studying the empty spaces in between.
more…
doubtful aboriginals went this deep.
Not necessary for them, no. However, they did think of it first.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:It is the way the Aborigine viewed it. Science is following their lead.doubtful aboriginals went this deep.
Not necessary for them, no. However, they did think of it first.
no, they didn’t.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:doubtful aboriginals went this deep.
Not necessary for them, no. However, they did think of it first.
no, they didn’t.
OK then, who did?
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Not necessary for them, no. However, they did think of it first.
no, they didn’t.
OK then, who did?
these astronomers
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:no, they didn’t.
OK then, who did?
these astronomers
Specifically, yes but they were amazed at the way the aboriginals viewed the heavens and did start looking at the empty space after that.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:OK then, who did?
these astronomers
Specifically, yes but they were amazed at the way the aboriginals viewed the heavens and did start looking at the empty space after that.
they did? please give a reference.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:these astronomers
Specifically, yes but they were amazed at the way the aboriginals viewed the heavens and did start looking at the empty space after that.
they did? please give a reference.
i think you are confusing empty space with dust clouds.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:these astronomers
Specifically, yes but they were amazed at the way the aboriginals viewed the heavens and did start looking at the empty space after that.
they did? please give a reference.
Oh I’d probably be slower than you at digging it out of Catalyst back programmes.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Specifically, yes but they were amazed at the way the aboriginals viewed the heavens and did start looking at the empty space after that.
they did? please give a reference.
Oh I’d probably be slower than you at digging it out of Catalyst back programmes.
not good enough.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Specifically, yes but they were amazed at the way the aboriginals viewed the heavens and did start looking at the empty space after that.
they did? please give a reference.
i think you are confusing empty space with dust clouds.
I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:they did? please give a reference.
i think you are confusing empty space with dust clouds.
I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:they did? please give a reference.
i think you are confusing empty space with dust clouds.
I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
these guys are looking at voids in the universe, the aboriginals would not have been able to see these with the naked eye.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:they did? please give a reference.
Oh I’d probably be slower than you at digging it out of Catalyst back programmes.
not good enough.
You didn’t need to tell me that. The precis is that astronomers did spend time with aborigines in the deserts of WA I think. Where they did find that there was indeed a new way to look at the sky that had been practiced for tens of thousands of years before we started studying the skies scientifically by measuring the points of light.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Oh I’d probably be slower than you at digging it out of Catalyst back programmes.
not good enough.
You didn’t need to tell me that. The precis is that astronomers did spend time with aborigines in the deserts of WA I think. Where they did find that there was indeed a new way to look at the sky that had been practiced for tens of thousands of years before we started studying the skies scientifically by measuring the points of light.
and how does that relate to this article that you are arguing about?
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:i think you are confusing empty space with dust clouds.
I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
these guys are looking at voids in the universe, the aboriginals would not have been able to see these with the naked eye.
we all know that. The point is that the aborigine concentrated on the space between the points of light that were visble.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:they did? please give a reference.
i think you are confusing empty space with dust clouds.
I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
nor the knowledge.
they didn’t believe they were stars, but dreamtime stories. they weren’t interested in the how, just maing up stories of the why…
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
these guys are looking at voids in the universe, the aboriginals would not have been able to see these with the naked eye.
we all know that. The point is that the aborigine concentrated on the space between the points of light that were visble.
and these guys aren’t looking at that.
the ANCIENTS knew, ffs.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:not good enough.
You didn’t need to tell me that. The precis is that astronomers did spend time with aborigines in the deserts of WA I think. Where they did find that there was indeed a new way to look at the sky that had been practiced for tens of thousands of years before we started studying the skies scientifically by measuring the points of light.
and how does that relate to this article that you are arguing about?
That as a result of the contact with aboriginal astronomy, the astronomers realised that yes, they had never before thought that the otherwise empty spaces meant anything other than distances between points.
stumpy_seahorse said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:i think you are confusing empty space with dust clouds.
I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
nor the knowledge.
they didn’t believe they were stars, but dreamtime stories. they weren’t interested in the how, just maing up stories of the why…
Nevertheless, our science discovered new places to look from listening to them.
if they had stuck some lenses into a didgeridoo they could have invented the telescope, they were halfway to inventing the telescope say
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:these guys are looking at voids in the universe, the aboriginals would not have been able to see these with the naked eye.
we all know that. The point is that the aborigine concentrated on the space between the points of light that were visble.
and these guys aren’t looking at that.
I know but they hadn’t thought of looking into the dark space for answers before or at least that was what was implied in the program.
ChrispenEvan said:
the ANCIENTS knew, ffs.
No one said they knew anything much.
Bloke 1-: How was the uni lecture today, Bloke.
Bloke 2-: Good, I told them how the Science Spirit taught us how to split the atom thousands of years ago but we’ve never used it.
Bloke 1-: Hehe, and they believed you?
Bloke 2-: Yeah, heheheh.
wookiemeister said:
if they had stuck some lenses into a didgeridoo they could have invented the telescope, they were halfway to inventing the telescope say
you don’t say.
roughbarked said:
stumpy_seahorse said:
roughbarked said:I’m concentrating on the concept. Aboriginal people did not have the tech.
nor the knowledge.
they didn’t believe they were stars, but dreamtime stories. they weren’t interested in the how, just maing up stories of the why…
Nevertheless, our science discovered new places to look from listening to them.
1. I very much doubt that’s where they got the idea from.
2. No-one knows how long aboriginal mythology has had its current form.
3. No-one knows what mythology other tribal groups had, or when they developed ideas about what’s going on outside this planet (other than we know it started in many areas many thousands of years ago)
4. You can respect aboriginal culture (and other non-urbanised cultures) without making ridiculous exaggerations of their influence on modern science.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
stumpy_seahorse said:nor the knowledge.
they didn’t believe they were stars, but dreamtime stories. they weren’t interested in the how, just maing up stories of the why…
Nevertheless, our science discovered new places to look from listening to them.
1. I very much doubt that’s where they got the idea from.
2. No-one knows how long aboriginal mythology has had its current form.
3. No-one knows what mythology other tribal groups had, or when they developed ideas about what’s going on outside this planet (other than we know it started in many areas many thousands of years ago)
4. You can respect aboriginal culture (and other non-urbanised cultures) without making ridiculous exaggerations of their influence on modern science.
Blame Catalyst. I wasn’t the one who made the statement.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Nevertheless, our science discovered new places to look from listening to them.
1. I very much doubt that’s where they got the idea from.
2. No-one knows how long aboriginal mythology has had its current form.
3. No-one knows what mythology other tribal groups had, or when they developed ideas about what’s going on outside this planet (other than we know it started in many areas many thousands of years ago)
4. You can respect aboriginal culture (and other non-urbanised cultures) without making ridiculous exaggerations of their influence on modern science.
Blame Catalyst. I wasn’t the one who made the statement.
roughbarked said:
Blame Catalyst. I wasn’t the one who made the statement.
Feel free to pass my comments on to the Catalyst people :)
Anyway, I think there is a lot more to so called empty space than anyone knows.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, I think there is a lot more to so called empty space than anyone knows.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:1. I very much doubt that’s where they got the idea from.
2. No-one knows how long aboriginal mythology has had its current form.
3. No-one knows what mythology other tribal groups had, or when they developed ideas about what’s going on outside this planet (other than we know it started in many areas many thousands of years ago)
4. You can respect aboriginal culture (and other non-urbanised cultures) without making ridiculous exaggerations of their influence on modern science.
Blame Catalyst. I wasn’t the one who made the statement.
Catalyst is ABC. Your biased network.
;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, I think there is a lot more to so called empty space than anyone knows.
could well be… could well be.. ;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Anyway, I think there is a lot more to so called empty space than anyone knows.
Yes, I agree.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Much ado about nothing: Astronomers use empty space to study the universeA lot of information contained in cosmic voids, study suggests
An international team of astronomers reports that they were able to achieve four times better precision in measurements of how the universe’s visible matter is clustered together by studying the empty spaces in between.
more…
You’re all missing the point.
Why four times?
> They were looking for tiny deviations in void behavior that conflicted with general relativity, and they found none. So Einstein’s theory of gravity holds true for now
Not all that surprising, nut nice to know.