Date: 15/08/2016 13:10:01
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941178
Subject: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

The internet of things is built on tiny, low-power, often wireless sensors that have small and very specific tasks. These devices are usually battery powered, which is convenient at low energy usage levels but which can be an impediment to long-term use when those batteries regularly require replacement

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Date: 15/08/2016 13:48:38
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 941194
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

CrazyNeutrino said:


An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

The internet of things is built on tiny, low-power, often wireless sensors that have small and very specific tasks. These devices are usually battery powered, which is convenient at low energy usage levels but which can be an impediment to long-term use when those batteries regularly require replacement

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It was the Aussie invention of fast-fourier-transform-on-a-chip that kickstarted wifi in the first place. But this is different.

“A team of researchers at the Australian National University has accurately modeled how much energy the wireless transfer of information takes from low-power sensors, which is the first step in designing devices that can harvest power from the ambient radio frequency communications in the air around them.”

Energy harvesting from ambient radio signals. On a big scale it can be done with lots of copper wire, or being close to a radio transmitter. Utilities companies tend to dislike people doing that.

There are already systems for reducing power usage during cellnet communication by detecting local signal strengths.

Overall, it doesn’t seem like too stupid an idea.

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Date: 15/08/2016 13:51:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 941196
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

mollwollfumble said:


Overall, it doesn’t seem like too stupid an idea.

Please try and contain your enthusiasm.

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Date: 15/08/2016 13:53:20
From: dv
ID: 941198
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Overall, it doesn’t seem like too stupid an idea.

Please try and contain your enthusiasm.

It is just the right about of stupid

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Date: 15/08/2016 14:05:08
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941203
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

one application for the Internet of things is speed zones

different speed zones can transmit a signal indicating the max speed for that zone

this would complement any existing technology that driver less cars would use

also

it would be a great way for cruise control fans to set auto cruise to follow speed zones

A speed zone say a 40kmh school zone transmits its 40 kmh to any car that has the ability to read it, the auto cruise then adjusts from say 60 down to 40 then up to 60 again at the other end

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Date: 15/08/2016 14:08:43
From: Tamb
ID: 941204
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

CrazyNeutrino said:


one application for the Internet of things is speed zones

different speed zones can transmit a signal indicating the max speed for that zone

this would complement any existing technology that driver less cars would use

also

it would be a great way for cruise control fans to set auto cruise to follow speed zones

A speed zone say a 40kmh school zone transmits its 40 kmh to any car that has the ability to read it, the auto cruise then adjusts from say 60 down to 40 then up to 60 again at the other end


It would be working hard here. Council must have been given some money for speed signs because in about 1.5km there are 9 speed limit changes.

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Date: 15/08/2016 14:09:05
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941205
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

another use for that type of technology would be for car parks

a car park could indicate which park lots are free

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Date: 15/08/2016 14:24:13
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941214
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

Any road sign or freeway sign could transit a signal indicating its message.

Same for street name signs etc

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Date: 15/08/2016 14:44:22
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941239
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

Energy harvesting from ambient radio signals. On a big scale it can be done with lots of copper wire, or being close to a radio transmitter. Utilities companies tend to dislike people doing that.

Why dont utilities companies harvest energy from high power transmission lines and feed it back into the system, has anyone working out the figures, is it viable etc

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Date: 15/08/2016 14:46:57
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941241
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

also roads can have highly charged particles on their surfaces

be great to retrieve and store that energy as well

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Date: 15/08/2016 15:01:40
From: dv
ID: 941250
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

CrazyNeutrino said:


Energy harvesting from ambient radio signals. On a big scale it can be done with lots of copper wire, or being close to a radio transmitter. Utilities companies tend to dislike people doing that.

Why dont utilities companies harvest energy from high power transmission lines and feed it back into the system, has anyone working out the figures, is it viable etc

yes and no

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Date: 15/08/2016 15:03:34
From: Tamb
ID: 941253
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

dv said:


CrazyNeutrino said:

Energy harvesting from ambient radio signals. On a big scale it can be done with lots of copper wire, or being close to a radio transmitter. Utilities companies tend to dislike people doing that.

Why dont utilities companies harvest energy from high power transmission lines and feed it back into the system, has anyone working out the figures, is it viable etc

yes and no


Does the energy actually leave the transmission line (except as heat) or is it “stolen” by the harvester?

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Date: 15/08/2016 15:22:23
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941261
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

Tamb said:


dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Energy harvesting from ambient radio signals. On a big scale it can be done with lots of copper wire, or being close to a radio transmitter. Utilities companies tend to dislike people doing that.

Why dont utilities companies harvest energy from high power transmission lines and feed it back into the system, has anyone working out the figures, is it viable etc

yes and no


Does the energy actually leave the transmission line (except as heat) or is it “stolen” by the harvester?

some energy leaves the transmission line

it is collected, some articles describe the process

it is similar to charging pads but they work close to the device being charged

German student creates electromagnetic harvester that gathers free electricity from thin air

his device charges a AA battery, but takes a day to do it, you would have to get very close to the transmission lines to speed up wireless charging, that would be dangerous.

stealing-energy-from-radio-towers-or-power-lines

tapping-energy-from-high-voltage-ac-transmission-lines

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Date: 15/08/2016 15:33:24
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 941264
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

CrazyNeutrino said:


Tamb said:

dv said:

yes and no


Does the energy actually leave the transmission line (except as heat) or is it “stolen” by the harvester?

some energy leaves the transmission line

it is collected, some articles describe the process

it is similar to charging pads but they work close to the device being charged

German student creates electromagnetic harvester that gathers free electricity from thin air

his device charges a AA battery, but takes a day to do it, you would have to get very close to the transmission lines to speed up wireless charging, that would be dangerous.

stealing-energy-from-radio-towers-or-power-lines

tapping-energy-from-high-voltage-ac-transmission-lines

crystal radio sets use the same principle described in one of the articles

I had a crystal radio when I was a kid

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Date: 15/08/2016 19:33:12
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 941401
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

CrazyNeutrino said:


one application for the Internet of things is speed zones

different speed zones can transmit a signal indicating the max speed for that zone

this would complement any existing technology that driver less cars would use

also

it would be a great way for cruise control fans to set auto cruise to follow speed zones

A speed zone say a 40kmh school zone transmits its 40 kmh to any car that has the ability to read it, the auto cruise then adjusts from say 60 down to 40 then up to 60 again at the other end

Let’s increase all speed zones, all through Australia by 10 km/hr.

I can’t see a good reason why not.
Mathematically, traffic = const. × population ÷ speed
So increasing speed reduces traffic.
And to a first approximation
danger = const. × traffic × speed
Substituting the equation for traffic gives
danger = const. × population.

So increasing speed zones throughout Australia reduces traffic everywhere without sacrificing safety.

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Date: 17/08/2016 13:11:56
From: transition
ID: 942175
Subject: re: An Aussie Science Breakthrough Could Reinvent Wi-Fi

>Energy harvesting from ambient radio signals. On a big scale it can be done with lots of copper wire, or being close to a radio transmitter. Utilities companies tend to dislike people doing that.
Why dont utilities companies harvest energy from high power transmission lines and feed it back into the system, has anyone working out the figures, is it viable etc.

couple it efficiently enough, you may as well plug in

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