Date: 6/09/2016 10:06:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 951478
Subject: Origin of Life? Forum?

What’s the best forum for discussing Origin of Life scientific issues? One that completely avoids creationists.

I’ve got some new computed results from artificial life, as well as old computed results on abiotically-generated biochem, and an old proposal. These deserve a public airing.

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Date: 6/09/2016 10:08:23
From: sibeen
ID: 951479
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

mollwollfumble said:


One that completely avoids creationists.

Is there such a beast?

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Date: 6/09/2016 10:09:07
From: diddly-squat
ID: 951481
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

mollwollfumble said:


What’s the best forum for discussing Origin of Life scientific issues? One that completely avoids creationists.

I’ve got some new computed results from artificial life, as well as old computed results on abiotically-generated biochem, and an old proposal. These deserve a public airing.

I’d suggest an academic journal….

after than maybe a respected science publication

after that then you could probably build your own web site

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Date: 6/09/2016 10:09:51
From: Cymek
ID: 951482
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

Here ?
We don’t brook no creationists

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Date: 6/09/2016 12:49:48
From: dv
ID: 951513
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

mollwollfumble said:


What’s the best forum for discussing Origin of Life scientific issues? One that completely avoids creationists.

I’ve got some new computed results from artificial life, as well as old computed results on abiotically-generated biochem, and an old proposal. These deserve a public airing.

Here, probably …

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Date: 6/09/2016 13:27:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 951517
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

Not good enough for peer-reviewed journal.

So here and one other place?

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Date: 6/09/2016 14:02:34
From: buffy
ID: 951522
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

mollwollfumble said:


Not good enough for peer-reviewed journal.

So here and one other place?

As you aren’t looking for peer reviewed, not a forum as such, but maybe the Australian Skeptics magazine? Mostly it’s more scam watching stuff, but they have done useful things about drugs. And there was a long running “discussion” over several issues about using nuclear power some years ago. But you would have to be patient. Maybe contact them?

http://www.skeptics.com.au/the-magazine/

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Date: 6/09/2016 14:16:44
From: transition
ID: 951526
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

I read maybe probably none’t understand but would try
though bet’t full of math’n as goes i’m dysmathtic
did read climbin’ mount improbable ago was long time
were bit interestin’ I had to wake me third neuron

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Date: 6/09/2016 14:52:18
From: dv
ID: 951537
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

mollwollfumble said:


Not good enough for peer-reviewed journal.

So here and one other place?

What?

No internet forum is going to be a good enough reference for a peer-reviewed journal.

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Date: 6/09/2016 15:01:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 951540
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

dv said:


mollwollfumble said:

Not good enough for peer-reviewed journal.

So here and one other place?

What?

No internet forum is going to be a good enough reference for a peer-reviewed journal.

Pretty sure he means that this stuff:

>I’ve got some new computed results from artificial life, as well as old computed results on abiotically-generated biochem, and an old proposal. These deserve a public airing.

…is not good enough for a peer-reviewed journal.

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Date: 6/09/2016 15:03:23
From: dv
ID: 951541
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Not good enough for peer-reviewed journal.

So here and one other place?

What?

No internet forum is going to be a good enough reference for a peer-reviewed journal.

Pretty sure he means that this stuff:

>I’ve got some new computed results from artificial life, as well as old computed results on abiotically-generated biochem, and an old proposal. These deserve a public airing.

…is not good enough for a peer-reviewed journal.

I see.

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Date: 6/09/2016 23:06:11
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 951688
Subject: re: Origin of Life? Forum?

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

mollwollfumble said:

Not good enough for peer-reviewed journal.

So here and one other place?

What?

No internet forum is going to be a good enough reference for a peer-reviewed journal.

Pretty sure he means that this stuff:

>I’ve got some new computed results from artificial life, as well as old computed results on abiotically-generated biochem, and an old proposal. These deserve a public airing.

…is not good enough for a peer-reviewed journal.

Ya. Exactly so. Peer review is a pain.

Four parts, in reverse order.

1. Conclusions from simulation of artificial life using cellular automata – maximum polymer lengths from a world seeded randomly are not long enough for nucleic acids but long enough for protein-based enzymes.

2. Numerical simulation of large organic molecules using a random growth algorithm. The algorithm produces asphaltene-like compounds but not regular polymers.

3. Gibbs free energy allows simultaneous quick calculation of the thermodynamic equilibrium of millions of organic prebiotic molecules simultaneously. The only real limitation is the lack of reliable data for the Gibbs free energy of large molecules, but this can in theory be calculated from the chemical formula.

4. A proposal for a large-science scale Miller-Urey experiment, optimised using accelerated testing to maximise the growth of prebiotic organic macromolecules.

Only the first of the above is new work, also in it I highlight the need to understand large numbers. When discussing the origins of life, 10^20 is so small that you may as well call it 1, but 10^80 is so large that you mays as well call it infinity. Estimates of the likelihood of the origin of life in the Drake equation almost invariably give “essentially one” and “essentially infinitesimal” results, but I suspect that the true answer falls somewhere between these extremes, and set out to show that an intermediate probability may be possible.

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