Date: 19/09/2016 22:02:15
From: transition
ID: 957444
Subject: outside conventions

How often is it normal to consider something (involving thought effort) outside of cultural and ideological conventions.

How easy is it, how common is it, and is it necessary, or even possible.

And yes i’m playing with the concept of normal.

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Date: 20/09/2016 02:40:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 957520
Subject: re: outside conventions

For me it is usual but you knew that.

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Date: 20/09/2016 07:23:23
From: Divine Angel
ID: 957538
Subject: re: outside conventions

Well… it depends. There is a very wide range of “normal”. But average is something different. Writers and artists etc think outside the box all the time.

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Date: 20/09/2016 07:32:36
From: dv
ID: 957548
Subject: re: outside conventions

“How often is it normal to consider something (involving thought effort) outside of cultural and ideological conventions.”

It is normal, always, to consider something of this kind in the sciences.

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Date: 20/09/2016 09:55:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 957637
Subject: re: outside conventions

I too normally do things I don’t normally do.

That’s normal isn’t it?

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Date: 20/09/2016 10:00:00
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 957639
Subject: re: outside conventions

The Rev Dodgson said:


I too normally do things I don’t normally do.

That’s normal isn’t it?

define “normal”.

;-)

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Date: 20/09/2016 11:51:15
From: transition
ID: 957690
Subject: re: outside conventions

The Rev Dodgson said:


I too normally do things I don’t normally do.

That’s normal isn’t it?

Our thoughts though are much patterns, and habit. A home, part of homeostasis. Words expressed, word-concepts, the associations, variously neurons doing this and that, mostly staying with the familiar.

Of the shared, the social, you know making normal seem alien is a contradiction, comes with conflict, required effort to sustain, possibly mental pain.

Normal’s a powerful thing, like you don’t want adverse attention, to be weird, potentially unsafe company.

Most people want to think quick too, they don’t want to be slow, so contradictions (that cause dissonance if you like) get tidied up.

So normal can be a keen pathologizer.

But my interest is with the devices of culture and social conventions that repress consideration of them as repressive (soft sense, given some repression is essential for social organization, in the context of minds being somewhat self-inhibitory, necessarily, of functions).

I mean normal is in-great-part what doesn’t need (much) thought, or rethinking. It’s a half a step from ought not rethink, or shouldn’t think outside of.

My view (experience) is that it’s extremely difficult to have even a half a new thought and view that differs much from what is comfortable, or_safe_.

I’m not sure what passes for consciousness is as liberating as the flesh-interface projects, not seen from the perspective of homeostatic mechanisms (broadest sense, including that psychological).

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Date: 20/09/2016 13:38:47
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 957751
Subject: re: outside conventions

I am Normal.

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Date: 20/09/2016 13:42:58
From: Tamb
ID: 957755
Subject: re: outside conventions

CrazyNeutrino said:


I am Normal.


It’s a town in Illinois.

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Date: 20/09/2016 13:47:37
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 957759
Subject: re: outside conventions

I’m not sure what passes for consciousness

Consciousness IMO is the overall electrical activity in the brain processing sensory perception, remembering sensory perception, dreaming and thinking about sensory perception, as well as processing information to create new information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain

The brain is an organ that serves as the center of the nervous system in all vertebrate and most invertebrate animals. Only a few invertebrates such as sponges, jellyfish, adult sea squirts and starfish do not have a brain; diffuse or localised nerve nets are present instead. The brain is located in the head, usually close to the primary sensory organs for such senses as vision, hearing, balance, taste, and smell. The brain is the most complex organ in a vertebrate’s body. In a typical human, the cerebral cortex (the largest part) is estimated to contain 15–33 billion neurons, each connected by synapses to several thousand other neurons. These neurons communicate with one another by means of long protoplasmic fibers called axons, which carry trains of signal pulses called action potentials to distant parts of the brain or body targeting specific recipient cells.

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Date: 25/09/2016 14:45:06
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 960153
Subject: re: outside conventions

> Normal’s a powerful thing, like you don’t want adverse attention, to be weird, potentially unsafe company.

The UK has turned abnormality into an art form. The mad there used to be venerated and probably still are. All forms of art seek out and celebrate abnormality, in all its forms. Consider the comedy of Monty Python as an example.

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Date: 26/09/2016 09:21:56
From: transition
ID: 960285
Subject: re: outside conventions

python’s part of pop culture, i’m not sure how much of normal repression, or repressive mechanisms of culture (parading as something otherwise, that liberating) might be deconstructed from that. But’s some nice work by jesters offering a bit of relief I suppose.

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