if the government chopped (old age) pensions the country’d go into a sharp decline i’d expect.

the money gets spent., it goes around.

unemployment benefits are quite a lot less than old age pensions (of total annual government input into welfare), I mean I saw a graph the other day (here) with figures below and it was just that, much less by comparison.

so what’s the go with the crap people are fed regards money spent on such things.

they (media etc) give us dollar figures as if it (the money) was leaving the country. Much of it does I suppose after being spent on imports, and other things.

lot of credit out there, private debt, you can be on centrelink and enjoy a credit card. The credit extended you probably in-part is courtesy larger borrowings from overseas, or banks etc with international interests.

my opinion is a good democracy is in-substantive-part essentially socialist. It involves (what is done with) collective wealth, and much more. Capitalism is something else.

so what are others opinions of pensions etc. Is it generally agreed welfare is good.

isn’t everyone greatly dependent on government providing a range of things.

transition said:

if the government chopped (old age) pensions the country’d go into a sharp decline i’d expect.

the money gets spent., it goes around.

unemployment benefits are quite a lot less than old age pensions (of total annual government input into welfare), I mean I saw a graph the other day (here) with figures below and it was just that, much less by comparison.

so what’s the go with the crap people are fed regards money spent on such things.

they (media etc) give us dollar figures as if it (the money) was leaving the country. Much of it does I suppose after being spent on imports, and other things.

lot of credit out there, private debt, you can be on centrelink and enjoy a credit card. The credit extended you probably in-part is courtesy larger borrowings from overseas, or banks etc with international interests.

my opinion is a good democracy is in-substantive-part essentially socialist. It involves (what is done with) collective wealth, and much more. Capitalism is something else.

so what are others opinions of pensions etc. Is it generally agreed welfare is good.

isn’t everyone greatly dependent on government providing a range of things.

Yes

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

if the government chopped (old age) pensions the country’d go into a sharp decline i’d expect.

the money gets spent., it goes around.

unemployment benefits are quite a lot less than old age pensions (of total annual government input into welfare), I mean I saw a graph the other day (here) with figures below and it was just that, much less by comparison.

so what’s the go with the crap people are fed regards money spent on such things.

they (media etc) give us dollar figures as if it (the money) was leaving the country. Much of it does I suppose after being spent on imports, and other things.

lot of credit out there, private debt, you can be on centrelink and enjoy a credit card. The credit extended you probably in-part is courtesy larger borrowings from overseas, or banks etc with international interests.

my opinion is a good democracy is in-substantive-part essentially socialist. It involves (what is done with) collective wealth, and much more. Capitalism is something else.

so what are others opinions of pensions etc. Is it generally agreed welfare is good.

isn’t everyone greatly dependent on government providing a range of things.

Yes

Forcing people into complete poverty of course is never a great idea there are plenty of examples of this around the world.

You don’t build communities up by putting people down. Structural changes to the economy have resulted in entire communities being left without work and often without adequate social and economic infrastructure.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/20/australia-does-not-have-a-welfare-problem-we-have-a-poverty-problem?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Facebook

Budget rescue/black hole/deficit.

Yet 50 Billion is slated for company tax reduction.

mmm…

>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/20/australia-does-not-have-a-welfare-problem-we-have-a-poverty-problem

read that

transition said:

if the government chopped (old age) pensions the country’d go into a sharp decline i’d expect.

the money gets spent., it goes around.

unemployment benefits are quite a lot less than old age pensions (of total annual government input into welfare), I mean I saw a graph the other day (here) with figures below and it was just that, much less by comparison.

so what’s the go with the crap people are fed regards money spent on such things.

they (media etc) give us dollar figures as if it (the money) was leaving the country. Much of it does I suppose after being spent on imports, and other things.

lot of credit out there, private debt, you can be on centrelink and enjoy a credit card. The credit extended you probably in-part is courtesy larger borrowings from overseas, or banks etc with international interests.

my opinion is a good democracy is in-substantive-part essentially socialist. It involves (what is done with) collective wealth, and much more. Capitalism is something else.

so what are others opinions of pensions etc. Is it generally agreed welfare is good.

isn’t everyone greatly dependent on government providing a range of things.

yes

transition said:

>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/20/australia-does-not-have-a-welfare-problem-we-have-a-poverty-problem

read that

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Unfortunately just a little over 50% of our fellow citizens have voted in a party that favours the ideology of let the market rule, or to be more precise, when we are in power their will be more benefits to the rich.

Capitalism provides the best and least bloody means of wealth distribution, and we can see it happening right now with peoples living standards rising in the developing world from money flowing through the Capitalist system from western countries.
Don’t be fooled by the neocommunists, you’ll not only become poor you’ll lose your freedoms as well.

There’s no doubt capitalism has the runs on the board in terms of improvements of both standard of living and quality of life, but more specifically this has been achieved by a combination of capitalism and a robust welfare state.

dv said:

There’s no doubt capitalism has the runs on the board in terms of improvements of both standard of living and quality of life, but more specifically this has been achieved by a combination of capitalism and a robust welfare state.

Next you’ll be trying to tell me that the average quality of life is higher in many West European countries and Australia, for instance, than it is in the USofA.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

There’s no doubt capitalism has the runs on the board in terms of improvements of both standard of living and quality of life, but more specifically this has been achieved by a combination of capitalism and a robust welfare state.

Next you’ll be trying to tell me that the average quality of life is higher in many West European countries and Australia, for instance, than it is in the USofA.

Well yes. Apart from the moral aspect, the American poverty trap robs the USA of the potential of millions of bright minds.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

There’s no doubt capitalism has the runs on the board in terms of improvements of both standard of living and quality of life, but more specifically this has been achieved by a combination of capitalism and a robust welfare state.

Next you’ll be trying to tell me that the average quality of life is higher in many West European countries and Australia, for instance, than it is in the USofA.

Well yes. Apart from the moral aspect, the American poverty trap robs the USA of the potential of millions of bright minds.

its fine

they can import

thats the whole point, you bring people in who are bright , don’t worry about the natives