Humans inherited murder through evolution

A new study has looked back along our evolutionary tree, and shown that humans evolved the tendency to kill each other from our primate ancestors – violence didn’t just arise from human nature, as has been suggested in the past.

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CrazyNeutrino said:

Humans inherited murder through evolution

A new study has looked back along our evolutionary tree, and shown that humans evolved the tendency to kill each other from our primate ancestors – violence didn’t just arise from human nature, as has been suggested in the past.

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This shouldn’t be all that surprising, given the chimpanzees’ propensity for, um, chimpocide of outsiders.

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Humans inherited murder through evolution

A new study has looked back along our evolutionary tree, and shown that humans evolved the tendency to kill each other from our primate ancestors – violence didn’t just arise from human nature, as has been suggested in the past.

more…

This shouldn’t be all that surprising, given the chimpanzees’ propensity for, um, chimpocide of outsiders.

Not just outsiders. Chimp societies have dominant males who are sometimes deposed by assassination, by the challengers to the throne. Mutilation by castration is one of the documented deeds involved.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Humans inherited murder through evolution

A new study has looked back along our evolutionary tree, and shown that humans evolved the tendency to kill each other from our primate ancestors – violence didn’t just arise from human nature, as has been suggested in the past.

more…

This shouldn’t be all that surprising, given the chimpanzees’ propensity for, um, chimpocide of outsiders.

Not just outsiders. Chimp societies have dominant males who are sometimes deposed by assassination, by the challengers to the throne. Mutilation by castration is one of the documented deeds involved.

Maybe all that killing is the species strengthening itself?

in some way

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

Domestic cats will also.

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

House cats.

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

CTTOI there are a lot of animals that kill and eat their young sometimes.

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

I would be interested to know how Bonobos rate in this regard. If they are found to not murder each other to the same degree as chimps it might be that murder is more a factor of culture and not of genetics.

kii said:

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

House cats.

Really? have never heard of this before. Is this killing new born kittens like mice are known to do?

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

I would be interested to know how Bonobos rate in this regard. If they are found to not murder each other to the same degree as chimps it might be that murder is more a factor of culture and not of genetics.

Given that homicide rates vary among humans, both geographically and temporally, I think you’d have to conclude that it MUST be at least partly cultural.

A bit of Googlage suggests that bonobos have not been observed to engage in bonocide.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Really? have never heard of this before. Is this killing new born kittens like mice are known to do?

How would a mouse go about killing a kitten??

Witty Rejoinder said:

kii said:

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

House cats.

Really? have never heard of this before. Is this killing new born kittens like mice are known to do?

No idea. I had a newborn kitten die in my hand after a tom cat attacked the cat family in the middle of the night. Queensland….it was in Queensland.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Really? have never heard of this before. Is this killing new born kittens like mice are known to do?

How would a mouse go about killing a kitten??

To my embarrassment kittens are not the name for juvenile mice. You can only imagine my shock at being bested by DV. Nonetheless i am still in the dark about what baby mice are called.

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

Pretty much everything, killing will result from territorial fights, nothing personal picks teeth but you know, Louis here will explain.
Tell him how it is Louis.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

Pretty much everything, killing will result from territorial fights, nothing personal picks teeth but you know, Louis here will explain.
Tell him how it is Louis.

Generally it is ruled by killing the childen of your genetic competitors but also by the extremity of the environment for survival.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Really? have never heard of this before. Is this killing new born kittens like mice are known to do?

How would a mouse go about killing a kitten??

To my embarrassment kittens are not the name for juvenile mice. You can only imagine my shock at being bested by DV. Nonetheless i am still in the dark about what baby mice are called.

Pinky, or snake food.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

How would a mouse go about killing a kitten??

To my embarrassment kittens are not the name for juvenile mice. You can only imagine my shock at being bested by DV. Nonetheless i am still in the dark about what baby mice are called.

Pinky, or snake food.

pup or pinky

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

Pretty much everything, killing will result from territorial fights, nothing personal picks teeth but you know, Louis here will explain.
Tell him how it is Louis.

Generally it is ruled by killing the children of your genetic competitors but also by the extremity of the environment for survival.

Not only a matter of eliminating competitor’s genes but also the effective elimination Nursing
& dependent young allows the females to become receptive to mating with the new pack leader.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Hmmm, I wonder what other mammals kill their own? Some big cats do, and among the primates there’s baboons, chimps and humans … anything else?

I would be interested to know how Bonobos rate in this regard. If they are found to not murder each other to the same degree as chimps it might be that murder is more a factor of culture and not of genetics.

It’s not an either/or. Culture changes genes and genes change culture.

I’m a little surprised meerkats are at number one.

dv said:

I’m a little surprised meerkats are at number one.

why?

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I’m a little surprised meerkats are at number one.

why?

Well they seem such friendly fellows on TV

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I’m a little surprised meerkats are at number one.

why?

Well they seem such friendly fellows on TV

They’re quiet unnerving in real life. Plus the ones at El Paso zoo broke my camera.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I’m a little surprised meerkats are at number one.

why?

Well they seem such friendly fellows on TV

Murderous little bastards they are.

kii said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

why?

Well they seem such friendly fellows on TV

They’re quite unnerving in real life. Plus the ones at El Paso zoo broke my camera.

*fixed

Typing and watching the bimbo dog (our new nickname for her – she’s a blue eyed blonde with lots of heavy eye makeup :P)

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I’m a little surprised meerkats are at number one.

why?

Well they seem such friendly fellows on TV

so do many humans

Arts said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

why?

Well they seem such friendly fellows on TV

so do many humans

heh.

So as soon as the BBC crews go home the ‘kats are all shivs and crowbars.

Male dolphons have been observed killing newly / recently borns. The female stops mating when nurturing and caring for the young. Sometimes the males don’t like it and start getting very agressive with the youngsters and may kill them in order to have the female start mating again.

the concept murder’s a construction, mostly, and probably of limited use in considering things from a biohistory perspective.

that many species can kill (end the aliveness of self and others) is as unsurprising as it is necessary.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Humans inherited murder through evolution

A new study has looked back along our evolutionary tree, and shown that humans evolved the tendency to kill each other from our primate ancestors – violence didn’t just arise from human nature, as has been suggested in the past.

more…

This shouldn’t be all that surprising, given the chimpanzees’ propensity for, um, chimpocide of outsiders.

Not just outsiders. Chimp societies have dominant males who are sometimes deposed by assassination, by the challengers to the throne. Mutilation by castration is one of the documented deeds involved.

Yes. I can confirm that.

I’m trying to remember, I think it’s Dianne Gosse’s mountain gorillas, where females will murder the babies of other females in the harem.

Barbary apes have been known to stage coups resulting in the mass murder of the previous regime, followed by infanticide of all babies of the previous regime.

Fossey’s

there are too, variously, tortures of sorts