Date: 6/10/2016 15:03:59
From: PermeateFree
ID: 964694
Subject: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

>>Fossil fuels, agriculture and transportation are examples of well-known sources when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions and a changing climate, but a new study suggests there may be an additional silent contributor in our midst. Environmental scientists tracking greenhouse gases rising from the world’s reservoirs say they produce the equivalent of around one gigaton of carbon dioxide each year, more than all of Canada, and a figure not currently taken into account when sizing up our environmental footprint.

Scientists have known for some time that reservoirs play a role in global warming. The difference between these and natural bodies of water is in what lies beneath, with the construction of manmade reservoirs usually flooding soil and vegetation rich with organic matter. When these nutrients are decomposed by microbes, they are transformed into carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide and flow upwards into the atmosphere.<<

http://newatlas.com/reservoirs-greenhouse-gas-canada/45774/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=b81ce01119-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-b81ce01119-92533145

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:06:51
From: diddly-squat
ID: 964697
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

This is only really true of new reservoirs and only for a short period.

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:12:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 964705
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

As thought by the Greens?

This is the third time I’ve heard this news, it isn’t new.

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:16:09
From: PermeateFree
ID: 964711
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

mollwollfumble said:


As thought by the Greens?

This is the third time I’ve heard this news, it isn’t new.

Reading a little more:
>>Researchers have monitored this phenomenon over the last 15 years or so, but a paper to be published this week by scientists at Washington State University will be the largest and most comprehensive to date. The team has gone over the previous literature and synthesized a large number of studies, concluding that not only are these emissions equal to 1.3 percent of the global total, but the particularly potent greenhouse gas methane is a bigger part of the picture than previously suspected.<<

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:24:50
From: sibeen
ID: 964718
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

PermeateFree said:


mollwollfumble said:

As thought by the Greens?

This is the third time I’ve heard this news, it isn’t new.

Reading a little more:
>>Researchers have monitored this phenomenon over the last 15 years or so, but a paper to be published this week by scientists at Washington State University will be the largest and most comprehensive to date. The team has gone over the previous literature and synthesized a large number of studies, concluding that not only are these emissions equal to 1.3 percent of the global total, but the particularly potent greenhouse gas methane is a bigger part of the picture than previously suspected.<<

So to put that in a bit of perspective; methane accounts for approximately 30% of the warming induced by greenhouse gases. Reservoirs contribute 1.3% of the methane. So about 0.4 – 0.5% of greenhouse warming can be attributed to reservoirs.

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:29:53
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 964725
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

World’s reservoirs pumping out more greenhouse gas than Canada, study finds

Fossil fuels, agriculture and transportation are examples of well-known sources when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions and a changing climate, but a new study suggests there may be an additional silent contributor in our midst. Environmental scientists tracking greenhouse gases rising from the world’s reservoirs say they produce the equivalent of around one gigaton of carbon dioxide each year, more than all of Canada, and a figure not currently taken into account when sizing up our environmental footprint.

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:53:56
From: PermeateFree
ID: 964740
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

sibeen said:


PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

As thought by the Greens?

This is the third time I’ve heard this news, it isn’t new.

Reading a little more:
>>Researchers have monitored this phenomenon over the last 15 years or so, but a paper to be published this week by scientists at Washington State University will be the largest and most comprehensive to date. The team has gone over the previous literature and synthesized a large number of studies, concluding that not only are these emissions equal to 1.3 percent of the global total, but the particularly potent greenhouse gas methane is a bigger part of the picture than previously suspected.<<

So to put that in a bit of perspective; methane accounts for approximately 30% of the warming induced by greenhouse gases. Reservoirs contribute 1.3% of the methane. So about 0.4 – 0.5% of greenhouse warming can be attributed to reservoirs.

Oh look! There is even more in the article:

“Methane is less soluble in water than are the other greenhouse gases included in this study (carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide),” Deemer tells us. “Because of this, a large fraction of methane emission can occur as bubbles. If these bubbles aren’t captured by measurements, reservoir methane flux can be underestimated.”

The scientists say that these bubbles can make up over 95 percent of methane emissions from some systems, but their study is the first to take them into account. The upshot of this is that reservoirs are emitting 25 percent more methane than we previously thought. But on a more positive note, the researchers tell us that this new knowledge may help us come up with ways to lessen the impact.

“Because reservoirs are human designed and human operated, there may be an opportunity for greenhouse gas mitigation at both the planning and the operation stages,” says Deemer. “The results of our study suggest that reservoirs sited in locations downstream of ‘nutrient’ inputs will produce more methane than those receiving fewer nutrient inputs. Large nutrient inputs to waterways are often associated with human activities like food and energy production. It is also possible that reducing nutrient inputs to existing reservoirs could reduce methane emissions, but this remains to be tested in the field.”

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:55:54
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 964743
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

PermeateFree said:


sibeen said:

PermeateFree said:

Reading a little more:
>>Researchers have monitored this phenomenon over the last 15 years or so, but a paper to be published this week by scientists at Washington State University will be the largest and most comprehensive to date. The team has gone over the previous literature and synthesized a large number of studies, concluding that not only are these emissions equal to 1.3 percent of the global total, but the particularly potent greenhouse gas methane is a bigger part of the picture than previously suspected.<<

So to put that in a bit of perspective; methane accounts for approximately 30% of the warming induced by greenhouse gases. Reservoirs contribute 1.3% of the methane. So about 0.4 – 0.5% of greenhouse warming can be attributed to reservoirs.

Oh look! There is even more in the article:

“Methane is less soluble in water than are the other greenhouse gases included in this study (carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide),” Deemer tells us. “Because of this, a large fraction of methane emission can occur as bubbles. If these bubbles aren’t captured by measurements, reservoir methane flux can be underestimated.”

The scientists say that these bubbles can make up over 95 percent of methane emissions from some systems, but their study is the first to take them into account. The upshot of this is that reservoirs are emitting 25 percent more methane than we previously thought. But on a more positive note, the researchers tell us that this new knowledge may help us come up with ways to lessen the impact.

“Because reservoirs are human designed and human operated, there may be an opportunity for greenhouse gas mitigation at both the planning and the operation stages,” says Deemer. “The results of our study suggest that reservoirs sited in locations downstream of ‘nutrient’ inputs will produce more methane than those receiving fewer nutrient inputs. Large nutrient inputs to waterways are often associated with human activities like food and energy production. It is also possible that reducing nutrient inputs to existing reservoirs could reduce methane emissions, but this remains to be tested in the field.”

Maybe put more fish in, maybe certain types of fish?

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Date: 6/10/2016 15:57:56
From: PermeateFree
ID: 964745
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

CrazyNeutrino said:


PermeateFree said:

sibeen said:

So to put that in a bit of perspective; methane accounts for approximately 30% of the warming induced by greenhouse gases. Reservoirs contribute 1.3% of the methane. So about 0.4 – 0.5% of greenhouse warming can be attributed to reservoirs.

Oh look! There is even more in the article:

“Methane is less soluble in water than are the other greenhouse gases included in this study (carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide),” Deemer tells us. “Because of this, a large fraction of methane emission can occur as bubbles. If these bubbles aren’t captured by measurements, reservoir methane flux can be underestimated.”

The scientists say that these bubbles can make up over 95 percent of methane emissions from some systems, but their study is the first to take them into account. The upshot of this is that reservoirs are emitting 25 percent more methane than we previously thought. But on a more positive note, the researchers tell us that this new knowledge may help us come up with ways to lessen the impact.

“Because reservoirs are human designed and human operated, there may be an opportunity for greenhouse gas mitigation at both the planning and the operation stages,” says Deemer. “The results of our study suggest that reservoirs sited in locations downstream of ‘nutrient’ inputs will produce more methane than those receiving fewer nutrient inputs. Large nutrient inputs to waterways are often associated with human activities like food and energy production. It is also possible that reducing nutrient inputs to existing reservoirs could reduce methane emissions, but this remains to be tested in the field.”

Maybe put more fish in, maybe certain types of fish?

Carp.

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Date: 6/10/2016 16:04:30
From: dv
ID: 964751
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

“and a figure not currently taken into account when sizing up our environmental footprint.”

?

All of the IPCC reports to date have included estimates of GHG emissions from reservoirs.

Who wrote this shit?

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Date: 6/10/2016 16:05:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 964754
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

dv said:


“and a figure not currently taken into account when sizing up our environmental footprint.”

?

All of the IPCC reports to date have included estimates of GHG emissions from reservoirs.

Who wrote this shit?

Think you ought to read it again dv and this time more slowly.

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Date: 6/10/2016 16:07:04
From: dv
ID: 964756
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

“and a figure not currently taken into account when sizing up our environmental footprint.”

?

All of the IPCC reports to date have included estimates of GHG emissions from reservoirs.

Who wrote this shit?

Think you ought to read it again dv and this time more slowly.

Read it quite carefully, but thanks for your concern. The article as a whole is decent but the introduction is inflammatory and hyperbolic.

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Date: 6/10/2016 16:09:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 964759
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

dv said:


PermeateFree said:

dv said:

“and a figure not currently taken into account when sizing up our environmental footprint.”

?

All of the IPCC reports to date have included estimates of GHG emissions from reservoirs.

Who wrote this shit?

Think you ought to read it again dv and this time more slowly.

Read it quite carefully, but thanks for your concern. The article as a whole is decent but the introduction is inflammatory and hyperbolic.

Already posted this, but for dv, I hereby post it again:

>>The scientists say that these bubbles can make up over 95 percent of methane emissions from some systems, but their study is the first to take them into account. The upshot of this is that reservoirs are emitting 25 percent more methane than we previously thought. But on a more positive note, the researchers tell us that this new knowledge may help us come up with ways to lessen the impact.<<

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Date: 6/10/2016 22:12:51
From: Teleost
ID: 964940
Subject: re: Tasmanian hydro might not be as environmentally friendly as thought

diddly-squat said:

This is only really true of new reservoirs and only for a short period.

Are you talkng a short period of geological time? I can tell you that when I worked on Lake Pedder ifrom 2008-2010 pulling up the anchor would bring large chunks of decomposing buttongrass.

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