Date: 8/10/2016 20:03:42
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 965804
Subject: Astronomers find a planet through a never-before-used method

Astronomers find a planet through a never-before-used method

Astronomers find most exoplanets from indirect signals, noticing changes in the light of the planet’s host star instead of by seeing the planet itself. But some stars’ light changes all on its own, making these methods tricky at best. KIC 7917485b is the first exoplanet identified around a main sequence A-type star from its orbital motion, and the first found near an A -typestar’s habitable zone.

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Date: 9/10/2016 04:12:06
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 965949
Subject: re: Astronomers find a planet through a never-before-used method

CrazyNeutrino said:


Astronomers find a planet through a never-before-used method

Astronomers find most exoplanets from indirect signals, noticing changes in the light of the planet’s host star instead of by seeing the planet itself. But some stars’ light changes all on its own, making these methods tricky at best. KIC 7917485b is the first exoplanet identified around a main sequence A-type star from its orbital motion, and the first found near an A-type star’s habitable zone.

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I’m trying to determine what this new method is. Using the Doppler effect of the star’s motion on the spectrum has been used before to find planets. But this seems to be subtly and importantly different. It seems to be using the effect of the planet on the astroseismology (ie the natural periodicities) to find the planet. The astroseismology comes from Fourier analysis of the Doppler variations.

For a star like our Sun, the astroseismology periodic variations driven by the sunspots I suspect would be too random to find even a close planet. For an A-type star, though? An A-type main sequence star is never a variable star in the classic sense. Also, these brighter stars are built inside out relative to a G-type star like the Sun in the sense that a G-type star has a convective outer layer on a radiative core whereas an A-type star has a radiative outer layer and a convective core. Compare left and centre images here. I suspect that this makes finding planets by astroseismology for stars greater than 1.5 solar masses much easier than for smaller stars like our Sun.

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Date: 10/10/2016 08:42:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 966234
Subject: re: Astronomers find a planet through a never-before-used method

More on planet here:
http://exoplanet.eu/catalog/kic_7917485_b/

Wow. They’ve managed to measure the eccentricity of the planet’s orbit by this method, which is somewhat startling. For planets found by transits (the usual Kepler method) you can’t find the eccentricity. What this means is that this method needs to be applied to all large Kepler planets that have been found around stars bigger than 1.5 solar masses.

Mass 11.8 Jupiter masses.
Hey, this isn’t a planet. Oh wait, it’s a planet, but only just.
Brown dwarfs have a lower mass limit of 13 Jupiter masses.

Orbital period 840 days.
That’s huge! Compared to other Kepler planets. Wonderful!
This method works woth planets in long duration orbits – nice.
Semi major axis 2.03 AU, compare Mars orbit with 1.52 AU, Vesta with 2.36 AU.

Eccentricity 0.15, between 0.05 and 0.28.

This is the type of object I was looking for when I analysed Kepler data – long orbit large planet – and failed to find.

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Date: 11/10/2016 04:25:36
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 966719
Subject: re: Astronomers find a planet through a never-before-used method

Technical paper here:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1608.02945.pdf

I was wrong about A stars being outside the instability strip. This paper is specifically about main sequence stars that are inside the instability strip, to whit Delta Scuti variables. These are class A and F stars almost on the main sequence, as shown in the diagram below.

Radial velocity observations of cool sub-giants, most
notably via the ‘Retired A stars’ project, suggest panets around
A stars in the classical instability strip, where
delta Scuti (δ Sct) pulsators are common. The apparent
planet deficit around these main-sequence stars can
be explained as an observational selection effect, caused
by problems in the application of the most successful
planet-hunting methods to these types of stars.

The transit method has difficulty because of the pulsational
luminosity variations, which amount to several mmag,
and because planets occupy wider orbits around A stars, resulting in a
lower transit probability.

The radial velocity method,
on the other hand, is particularly hindered by the nature
of A-type spectra. A stars are typically fast rotators,
with the mean of the equatorial rotational velocity
distribution exceeding 100 km/s. Their high effective temperatures
lead to fewer, shallower absorption lines, and these
lines can be distorted by pulsation. Therefore the wavelengths
of their spectral lines are not a precise standard
of measure.

Fortunately, the same pulsations can themselves be used
as precise clocks for the detection of orbital motion. The pulsations
of δ Sct stars are particularly well suited to this task.

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