Trying to remove rear wheel to replace inner choob & tyre. Notice I’ve loosened the main nut on the gear side. If you were me, what would you do next?

Try taking the nut off, then see what happens.

If I were you I’d pour three fingers of scotch and sit down and think about it.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Try taking the nut off, then see what happens.

Won’t come off because that gear shifter is in the way. I’m thinking if I disconnect the cable, I should be able to swing that lever out of the way.

Remove the nut, does the gear assembly pop off somehow from the axle?

I see there is a plate with two flattened sides that might unscrew.

Might be helpful if it popped off without having to undo cables etc.

Can you get that material cover off? It is obscuring the view…

you got chain guards, carry frames, mate. Looks like fun

you gotta be able to get the axle out of the frame slots.

party_pants said:

Remove the nut, does the gear assembly pop off somehow from the axle?

I see there is a plate with two flattened sides that might unscrew.

Might be helpful if it popped off without having to undo cables etc.

In order to get the nut off, I have to get that shifter mechanism out of the way (the lever thing at the very end of the axle, which pushes the gear rod in or lets it out. Gears themselves are inside the wheel drum). It’s looking like I’ll need to remove the cable, then the shifter mechanism can come off the axle along with all the other junk.

Bubblecar said:

Trying to remove rear wheel to replace inner choob & tyre. Notice I’ve loosened the main nut on the gear side. If you were me, what would you do next?

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There’s a nut behind the undone one, in the photo that is part of the chain tensioner system, undo those. Take off the black thing covering the chain an rear stays, it’s just in the way for now and looks like leather or other fabric.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Remove the nut, does the gear assembly pop off somehow from the axle?

I see there is a plate with two flattened sides that might unscrew.

Might be helpful if it popped off without having to undo cables etc.

In order to get the nut off, I have to get that shifter mechanism out of the way (the lever thing at the very end of the axle, which pushes the gear rod in or lets it out. Gears themselves are inside the wheel drum). It’s looking like I’ll need to remove the cable, then the shifter mechanism can come off the axle along with all the other junk.

Is the gear assembly loose now, or is there something else holding it back against the frame?

Otherwise you may have to find where the gear cable attaches to the lever and loosen that off. Standard set-up is a bolt with a hole through the middle, or two plates on a bolt that pinch the cable.

Bubblecar said:

Trying to remove rear wheel to replace inner choob & tyre. Notice I’ve loosened the main nut on the gear side. If you were me, what would you do next?

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Is there a nut on the other side as well? Is it loose?

This fellow doesn’t do the chain tensioners until gear shifter and brakes have been disconnected. But notice that it’s much easier for him because the whole gear shifter thing is quickly removed with an Alan key:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfWWWvBdcSc

OK, progress :)

All that shit on that side was jammed together but I’ve managed to loosen it and get the nut off. So I should just be able to remove all that and get the wheel off, once I’ve done the other side and whatever needs to be done with the chain etc.

Right now I have to disconnect the brakes on the other side.

keep at it :)

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How to change a flat bike tire like an Olympic athlete

Front ones are easy

OK, stuck at the brake cable. Not a very clear photo but you can see I can’t remove it from the brake because it passes through a hole in a bolt with a stay thingy at the end. Maybe I’m supposed to unscrew that stay. The bolt itself has been removed from the brake lever thing.

Bubblecar said:

OK, stuck at the brake cable. Not a very clear photo but you can see I can’t remove it from the brake because it passes through a hole in a bolt with a stay thingy at the end. Maybe I’m supposed to unscrew that stay. The bolt itself has been removed from the brake lever thing.

That’s the tensioner, you should be able to screw it right out to release tension on the cable then you will be able to remove the stay/soldered end probably just by pulling it out of its orifice.

There isn’t really any tension on the cable now it’s been released from the levery thing. I think I’ve just got to remove that stay but it will need to go back on again when reassembling.

I’ll use two pairs of pliers and see if it unscrews.

Just mangling it, I’ll look up a couple more videos.

Bubblecar said:

Just mangling it, I’ll look up a couple more videos.

You get those things on old style motorbike brakes, they usually need to be pulled out of a socket, not so much screwed. They are held in place by the tension from the side.

Duhh, old style, I mean 7Os mechanical brakes so not ancient old style.

I am 100% confident in Car’s ability to remove the wheel, change the tube and put everything back together again

diddly-squat said:

I am 100% confident in Car’s ability to remove the wheel, change the tube and put everything back together again

Starts book.

OK, I just pulled the stay off. Not very confident about getting it back on again but at least the brakes are disconnected :)

Now time for a quick vape.

diddly-squat said:

I am 100% confident in Car’s ability to remove the wheel, change the tube and put everything back together again

I will wait for the movie, who will play the part of the car though, hmmm ?

Next step is the chain tensioners. But first I have to remove at least some of the chain case. That’s not going to be fun.

sibeen said:

diddly-squat said:

I am 100% confident in Car’s ability to remove the wheel, change the tube and put everything back together again

Starts book.

once upon a time in a small village in the wilds of tasmania, a local artist decided to get mechanical. these are his adventures.

diddly-squat said:

I am 100% confident in Car’s ability to remove the wheel, change the tube and put everything back together again

It wiĺl be a triumphant peddle to the bottle-shop later this afternoon.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

I am 100% confident in Car’s ability to remove the wheel, change the tube and put everything back together again

It wiĺl be a triumphant peddle to the bottle-shop later this afternoon.

he’ll be pissed for a week.

Did you ever try tyre inflater goop? Next tyre see if you can get solid, no more punctures.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

I am 100% confident in Car’s ability to remove the wheel, change the tube and put everything back together again

It wiĺl be a triumphant peddle to the bottle-shop later this afternoon.

if the lad gets the tube in unpinched and inflated, and the gear change cable’s not connected to the brake, and more, which i’m sure he will, but looks like an arsehole of a job

Now if I could only get the fucking chain off, I could get the fucking wheel off.

That mechanic wasn’t joking when he described rear wheel removal as a “real nightmare” on these Dutch bikes.

Bubblecar said:

Now if I could only get the fucking chain off, I could get the fucking wheel off.

That mechanic wasn’t joking when he described rear wheel removal as a “real nightmare” on these Dutch bikes.

run it off the front sprocket’s usually the way

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Now if I could only get the fucking chain off, I could get the fucking wheel off.

That mechanic wasn’t joking when he described rear wheel removal as a “real nightmare” on these Dutch bikes.

run it off the front sprocket’s usually the way

or break it at the chain link if’s got one

Bubblecar said:

Now if I could only get the fucking chain off, I could get the fucking wheel off.

That mechanic wasn’t joking when he described rear wheel removal as a “real nightmare” on these Dutch bikes.

One hint with chains, hard to pull out and off, a trick is to go to the bottom of the big rear sprocket and use a rod to lever against a single link whilst you slowly rotate the sprocket/wheel, you only need to move it a little bit and it will derail and then you can wind off the rest of the chain, link by link.

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Now if I could only get the fucking chain off, I could get the fucking wheel off.

That mechanic wasn’t joking when he described rear wheel removal as a “real nightmare” on these Dutch bikes.

run it off the front sprocket’s usually the way

It’s fully enclosed in a case, and it’s not obvious how to open it.

I’ll just have to have a long look at it.

transition said:

transition said:

Bubblecar said:

Now if I could only get the fucking chain off, I could get the fucking wheel off.

That mechanic wasn’t joking when he described rear wheel removal as a “real nightmare” on these Dutch bikes.

run it off the front sprocket’s usually the way

or break it at the chain link if’s got one

Yeah, rotate the chain looking at each link for a circlip type looking thing. They can be a pain to remove and put back though.

• Now if I could only get the fucking chain off, I could get the fucking wheel off.

You don’t need to take the wheel fully off to get the tyre and tube off…

OK the chain’s off, but I still can’t remove the wheel because there’s some kind of bullshit locking nut on the brake side, with no obvious way of removing it. It’s just circular with a bent section with a notch in it.

Can’t take any more snaps until the camera battery has recharged.

Bubblecar said:

OK the chain’s off, but I still can’t remove the wheel because there’s some kind of bullshit locking nut on the brake side, with no obvious way of removing it. It’s just circular with a bent section with a notch in it.

That a lock nut/washer, you bend it back straight again so the nut can rotate.

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

OK the chain’s off, but I still can’t remove the wheel because there’s some kind of bullshit locking nut on the brake side, with no obvious way of removing it. It’s just circular with a bent section with a notch in it.

That a lock nut/washer, you bend it back straight again so the nut can rotate.

No it’s very thick and cast in that shape. The circular edge has various shallow notches in it, looking like it requires some special stupid bullshit tool.

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

OK the chain’s off, but I still can’t remove the wheel because there’s some kind of bullshit locking nut on the brake side, with no obvious way of removing it. It’s just circular with a bent section with a notch in it.

That a lock nut/washer, you bend it back straight again so the nut can rotate.

No it’s very thick and cast in that shape. The circular edge has various shallow notches in it, looking like it requires some special stupid bullshit tool.

Can you lever it off with a flathead screwdriver and gentle firm excessive force

Ladies & gentlemen, the wheel is off.

Don’t know if I’ll do any more today. I need a stiff drink.

Bubblecar said:

Ladies & gentlemen, the wheel is off.

Don’t know if I’ll do any more today. I need a stiff drink.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/bubcar9/bikefixc_zps8apgoxen.jpg

Keep going, you’re onto the easy bit now.

party_pants said:

Keep going, you’re onto the easy bit now.

All right but I’ll have a chilled G&T to steady the nerves.

Actually I think I will leave the rest until tomorrow, because the chain case, inside of frames plus the wheel hub etc all need a damn good clean before it’s reassembled. So I’ll do the cleaning now and tomorrow I’ll change the tube & tyre and put wheel back on.

I just hope I remember which bit goes where, in the right order.

Bubblecar said:

I just hope I remember which bit goes where, in the right order.

You can always refer to this thread.

Bubblecar said:

Ladies & gentlemen, the wheel is off.

Don’t know if I’ll do any more today. I need a stiff drink.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/bubcar9/bikefixc_zps8apgoxen.jpg

Praise the Lord.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

I just hope I remember which bit goes where, in the right order.

You can always refer to this thread.

It’s more complicated than presented here :)

And you only got a tiny sample of the swearing involved.

Fast-forward to Christmas 2016

Bubblecar-: I think I might start putting the bike back together, but not today I’ve just eaten a turkey with all the trimmings and I’ll relax with a bottle or two of wine and a platter of cheese, olives and crusty bread.

Peak Warming Man said:

Fast-forward to Christmas 2016

Bubblecar-: I think I might start putting the bike back together, but not today I’ve just eaten a turkey with all the trimmings and I’ll relax with a bottle or two of wine and a platter of cheese, olives and crusty bread.

That’s probably what he is doing now.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Fast-forward to Christmas 2016

Bubblecar-: I think I might start putting the bike back together, but not today I’ve just eaten a turkey with all the trimmings and I’ll relax with a bottle or two of wine and a platter of cheese, olives and crusty bread.

That’s probably what he is doing now.

A cunning plan would be to put it back together after a few bottle of wine, nothing like complex tasks when half cut

> If you were me, what would you do next?

You could come over here and fix my bike.

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

Just mangling it, I’ll look up a couple more videos.

You get those things on old style motorbike brakes, they usually need to be pulled out of a socket, not so much screwed. They are held in place by the tension from the side.

Yep. loosen tension and slip it out sideways.

If all else fails, you might be able to modify your bike. You never know what you might find at the tip.

This one is much easier to fashion, all you need is a shopping basket.

……….how’s the reassembly going..

> If all else fails, you might be able to modify your bike. You never know what you might find at the tip.

Already done that with daughter’s bike. Took off one wheel to turn it into a stationary bike exercise machine. And used the spare components (such as mudguards) for cosplay.

Best bump this up for the afternoon.

OK, getting the wheel back on.

Unfortunately I didn’t get far before a bit fell out of the chaincase and I have absolutely no idea where it goes. A small bracket thing with a slot in it. I’m thinking I’m just going to have to leave that piece off.

Bubblecar said:

OK, getting the wheel back on.

Unfortunately I didn’t get far before a bit fell out of the chaincase and I have absolutely no idea where it goes. A small bracket thing with a slot in it. I’m thinking I’m just going to have to leave that piece off.

take a photo..

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

OK, getting the wheel back on.

Unfortunately I didn’t get far before a bit fell out of the chaincase and I have absolutely no idea where it goes. A small bracket thing with a slot in it. I’m thinking I’m just going to have to leave that piece off.

take a photo..

I could, but it won’t help :)

Looking at it carefully, I think it’s a spacer to ensure the inside of the fabric doesn’t get bent in and touch the chain. But if so, there’s no actual way of securing it so presumably the fabric just keeps it in place, when it’s all closed.

Aha, looks like I’m right, after looking at the first snap in this thread. It’s that loose-looking brackety-thing at the top left of the chain case (which is actually the bottom of the chain case, ‘cos the bike is upside down). Looks like that sealing arrangement had already worked itself loose anyway. I’ll have to study it to see how it all fits together.

Bubblecar said:

OK, getting the wheel back on.

Unfortunately I didn’t get far before a bit fell out of the chaincase and I have absolutely no idea where it goes. A small bracket thing with a slot in it. I’m thinking I’m just going to have to leave that piece off.

Probably serves no purpose except to fall off when the owner opens it and then to frustrate about were the firetruck does that bit go

Worked it out :)

It actually slots into pockets on the inside of the fabric.

Looking at the video, the reason I couldn’t make much sense of the lock nut when taking the wheel off was that it had moved from its correct position. So it’s was a good job I had to disassemble the bike, might have been dangerous.

Bah, more dismantling of chain case necessary. The chain’s come off the big end :(

Chain kept coming off during wheel alignment, but seems stable now. In theory, should be only half an hour’s further toil.

But it’s time for a quick sit-me-down and get my breath back.

Bubblecar said:

Chain kept coming off during wheel alignment, but seems stable now. In theory, should be only half an hour’s further toil.

But it’s time for a quick sit-me-down and get my breath back.

What were you doing? Chasing the bike?

kii said:

Bubblecar said:

Chain kept coming off during wheel alignment, but seems stable now. In theory, should be only half an hour’s further toil.

But it’s time for a quick sit-me-down and get my breath back.

What were you doing? Chasing the bike?

Ranting, swearing, wrestling with a hostile machine.

Everything’s now back on, just need to reconnect the brake cable, final tightening of main nuts, final resealing of the chain case end.

Bubblecar said:

kii said:

Bubblecar said:

Chain kept coming off during wheel alignment, but seems stable now. In theory, should be only half an hour’s further toil.

But it’s time for a quick sit-me-down and get my breath back.

What were you doing? Chasing the bike?

Ranting, swearing, wrestling with a hostile machine.

and being being generally anxious.

Bubblecar said:

Everything’s now back on, just need to reconnect the brake cable, final tightening of main nuts, final resealing of the chain case end.

Be careful when re doing the chain tensioners, you can make it near impossible to pedal if they are too tight.

poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

Everything’s now back on, just need to reconnect the brake cable, final tightening of main nuts, final resealing of the chain case end.

Be careful when re doing the chain tensioners, you can make it near impossible to pedal if they are too tight.

Yes, that’s something that may need further adjustment.

New tyre is a Maxxis Roamer:

I think you’ve put that wheel on upside down…

furious said:

I think you’ve put that wheel on upside down…

Too late to do anything about that. I’ll just have to turn the bike up the other way and hope nobody notices.

Anyway I’d better attend to the brake cable etc.

OK it’s ready for a test ride, but I’m not. Filthy and exhausted.

Bubblecar said:

OK it’s ready for a test ride, but I’m not. Filthy and exhausted.

some bikes don’t mind filthy and exhausted

Had a quick test ride and it’s all fine, except the rear brake no longer works :/

Presumably just connected the cable wrongly, I’ll worry about it tomorrow.

Bubblecar said:

Had a quick test ride and it’s all fine, except the rear brake no longer works :/

Presumably just connected the cable wrongly, I’ll worry about it tomorrow.

Stopping is overrated.

Just use a convenient log or rock as a stopping device.

Bubblecar said:

OK it’s ready for a test ride, but I’m not. Filthy and exhausted.

Well done, Car.

Just use your arms and face

If it’s worked for dv it’ll work for you.

It probably just needs more tensioning, should be fine.

Now my hands are like horrid mechanic’s hands, all beaten up and covered in ingrained oil.

dv said:

Just use your arms and face

we’ll call that the “dv”

dv said:

Just use your arms and face

Are those broken teeth visible? What are you going to do about them?

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Just use your arms and face

Are those broken teeth visible? What are you going to do about them?

Probably helps him fit in with the locals.

Bubblecar said:

Now my hands are like horrid mechanic’s hands, all beaten up and covered in ingrained oil.

It’s amazing what you can do for hands with Creme Cleanser.

:-)

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Just use your arms and face

Are those broken teeth visible? What are you going to do about them?

Get veneers

poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Just use your arms and face

Are those broken teeth visible? What are you going to do about them?

Probably helps him fit in with the locals.

roffle… says the guy a stones throw from Bathurst

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Just use your arms and face

Are those broken teeth visible? What are you going to do about them?

Get veneers

A gold one so you can look like a pimp or go daddy

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Just use your arms and face

Are those broken teeth visible? What are you going to do about them?

Get veneers

there are wide variety these days…

Okay, have my pills and make dinner. Leftover roast beef, cubed, reheated with leftover veggies and served with some rice & extra gravy.

Bubblecar said:

Okay, have my pills and make dinner. Leftover roast beef, cubed, reheated with leftover veggies and served with some rice & extra gravy.

What’s that got to do with fixing bikes?

How’s the bike going now?

Michael V said:

How’s the bike going now?

Good as new :)

Michael V said:

How’s the bike going now?

It’s become immune to swearing for one thing.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

How’s the bike going now?

Good as new :)

Excellent.

:)