To keep all the comments in one place for those who are interested and for those who aren’t.

I’m going out on a limb and calling it for Clinton.

You heard it here first .. should cut down on a lot lot needless speculation.

HTH

“There is a deep-rooted misogyny in this country that is virulent and pretty horrifying.”
I, as a cis-gendered white man, hadn’t really been aware of it. But you see people not being comfortable just flat-out stating their misogyny, but instead stating something like they can’t vote for Hillary “because of her voice” or “the way she dresses.” And I’m like, “You know what? That’s just straight-up misogyny.” It’s like how there were so many people who were vehemently opposed to Obama and it was just insidious racism.
The argument for her, and I hope this is self-evident, is that she’s smart, principled, experienced and tough, with a solid, progressive voting record. I get very frustrated when people say that she’s not a progressive. Have you actually looked at her legislative record? It’s almost identical to Bernie Sanders’ legislative record.
With Trump, you get a belligerent racist who’s most likely a sociopath definitely a racist and misogynist with no governing experience. And with Hillary, you get an incredibly bright, progressive, strong, experienced legislator. There’s no choice unless you’re ignorant, delusional or racist.
I’ve given more money to Democrats this cycle than I’ve ever given in an election season. I’ve done phone-banking, tweeted, Facebooked and Instagrammed, probably to my own personal detriment — the detriment of my friendships certainly the detriment of my professional life – but honestly, the results of this election are more important than most. I’d rather lose fans and have a hand in trying to keep Donald Trump out of the White House than trying to protect a career. A career pales in comparison to the health and wellbeing of our country and our planet.
What I learned a long time ago is if you’re a public figure and you’re opinionated and outspoken, people will hate you for it — even if they agree with what you’re saying. But it’s really nice: I’ve been doing this for a long time and at this point I just don’t care. What’s someone gonna do — not buy my records? It’s 2016, no one buys records anyway.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/moby-donald-trump-is-actual-sociopath-w448443

sarahs mum said:

“There is a deep-rooted misogyny in this country that is virulent and pretty horrifying.”
I, as a cis-gendered white man, hadn’t really been aware of it. But you see people not being comfortable just flat-out stating their misogyny, but instead stating something like they can’t vote for Hillary “because of her voice” or “the way she dresses.” And I’m like, “You know what? That’s just straight-up misogyny.” It’s like how there were so many people who were vehemently opposed to Obama and it was just insidious racism.
The argument for her, and I hope this is self-evident, is that she’s smart, principled, experienced and tough, with a solid, progressive voting record. I get very frustrated when people say that she’s not a progressive. Have you actually looked at her legislative record? It’s almost identical to Bernie Sanders’ legislative record.
With Trump, you get a belligerent racist who’s most likely a sociopath definitely a racist and misogynist with no governing experience. And with Hillary, you get an incredibly bright, progressive, strong, experienced legislator. There’s no choice unless you’re ignorant, delusional or racist.
I’ve given more money to Democrats this cycle than I’ve ever given in an election season. I’ve done phone-banking, tweeted, Facebooked and Instagrammed, probably to my own personal detriment — the detriment of my friendships certainly the detriment of my professional life – but honestly, the results of this election are more important than most. I’d rather lose fans and have a hand in trying to keep Donald Trump out of the White House than trying to protect a career. A career pales in comparison to the health and wellbeing of our country and our planet.
What I learned a long time ago is if you’re a public figure and you’re opinionated and outspoken, people will hate you for it — even if they agree with what you’re saying. But it’s really nice: I’ve been doing this for a long time and at this point I just don’t care. What’s someone gonna do — not buy my records? It’s 2016, no one buys records anyway.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/moby-donald-trump-is-actual-sociopath-w448443

Well said, Moby. Well said.

I am still stunned beyond stunned when I read peoples’ comments about why Trump is better than Clinton.

I’ve already made up my mind – if Mr PTSD actually does vote for him he won’t be welcome in this house. I’ve already stepped back from anything to do with him as his obvious misogyny was starting to piss me off.

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

“There is a deep-rooted misogyny in this country that is virulent and pretty horrifying.”
I, as a cis-gendered white man, hadn’t really been aware of it. But you see people not being comfortable just flat-out stating their misogyny, but instead stating something like they can’t vote for Hillary “because of her voice” or “the way she dresses.” And I’m like, “You know what? That’s just straight-up misogyny.” It’s like how there were so many people who were vehemently opposed to Obama and it was just insidious racism.
The argument for her, and I hope this is self-evident, is that she’s smart, principled, experienced and tough, with a solid, progressive voting record. I get very frustrated when people say that she’s not a progressive. Have you actually looked at her legislative record? It’s almost identical to Bernie Sanders’ legislative record.
With Trump, you get a belligerent racist who’s most likely a sociopath definitely a racist and misogynist with no governing experience. And with Hillary, you get an incredibly bright, progressive, strong, experienced legislator. There’s no choice unless you’re ignorant, delusional or racist.
I’ve given more money to Democrats this cycle than I’ve ever given in an election season. I’ve done phone-banking, tweeted, Facebooked and Instagrammed, probably to my own personal detriment — the detriment of my friendships certainly the detriment of my professional life – but honestly, the results of this election are more important than most. I’d rather lose fans and have a hand in trying to keep Donald Trump out of the White House than trying to protect a career. A career pales in comparison to the health and wellbeing of our country and our planet.
What I learned a long time ago is if you’re a public figure and you’re opinionated and outspoken, people will hate you for it — even if they agree with what you’re saying. But it’s really nice: I’ve been doing this for a long time and at this point I just don’t care. What’s someone gonna do — not buy my records? It’s 2016, no one buys records anyway.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/moby-donald-trump-is-actual-sociopath-w448443

Well said, Moby. Well said.

I am still stunned beyond stunned when I read peoples’ comments about why Trump is better than Clinton.

I’ve already made up my mind – if Mr PTSD actually does vote for him he won’t be welcome in this house. I’ve already stepped back from anything to do with him as his obvious misogyny was starting to piss me off.

It’s total madness, I don’t even want to think about it.

The idea that there are human beings who think Trump would be a sane choice for president is just too depressing. It seems so much of the social progress I thought I was seeing in my lifetime has completely missed a huge slab of the US population, and presumably other Western nations as well.

Bubblecar said:

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

“There is a deep-rooted misogyny in this country that is virulent and pretty horrifying.”
I, as a cis-gendered white man, hadn’t really been aware of it. But you see people not being comfortable just flat-out stating their misogyny, but instead stating something like they can’t vote for Hillary “because of her voice” or “the way she dresses.” And I’m like, “You know what? That’s just straight-up misogyny.” It’s like how there were so many people who were vehemently opposed to Obama and it was just insidious racism.
The argument for her, and I hope this is self-evident, is that she’s smart, principled, experienced and tough, with a solid, progressive voting record. I get very frustrated when people say that she’s not a progressive. Have you actually looked at her legislative record? It’s almost identical to Bernie Sanders’ legislative record.
With Trump, you get a belligerent racist who’s most likely a sociopath definitely a racist and misogynist with no governing experience. And with Hillary, you get an incredibly bright, progressive, strong, experienced legislator. There’s no choice unless you’re ignorant, delusional or racist.
I’ve given more money to Democrats this cycle than I’ve ever given in an election season. I’ve done phone-banking, tweeted, Facebooked and Instagrammed, probably to my own personal detriment — the detriment of my friendships certainly the detriment of my professional life – but honestly, the results of this election are more important than most. I’d rather lose fans and have a hand in trying to keep Donald Trump out of the White House than trying to protect a career. A career pales in comparison to the health and wellbeing of our country and our planet.
What I learned a long time ago is if you’re a public figure and you’re opinionated and outspoken, people will hate you for it — even if they agree with what you’re saying. But it’s really nice: I’ve been doing this for a long time and at this point I just don’t care. What’s someone gonna do — not buy my records? It’s 2016, no one buys records anyway.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/moby-donald-trump-is-actual-sociopath-w448443

Well said, Moby. Well said.

I am still stunned beyond stunned when I read peoples’ comments about why Trump is better than Clinton.

I’ve already made up my mind – if Mr PTSD actually does vote for him he won’t be welcome in this house. I’ve already stepped back from anything to do with him as his obvious misogyny was starting to piss me off.

It’s total madness, I don’t even want to think about it.

The idea that there are human beings who think Trump would be a sane choice for president is just too depressing. It seems so much of the social progress I thought I was seeing in my lifetime has completely missed a huge slab of the US population, and presumably other Western nations as well.

Exactly! It’s one of the things that contributes to my mental health fragility. Seriously. I meet people and they look normal – funny, interested in similar things to me etc and then they reveal themselves to be completely fucked in the head via a simple comment. It’s not just been since this Trump debacle, it’s been since I arrived here nearly 10 years ago. One minute they seem completely normal and then something is said about some social issue etc and I have to re-evaluate my perception of them. A lot of it is to do with religious wankery.

Bubblecar said:

The idea that there are human beings who think Trump would be a sane choice for president is just too depressing. It seems so much of the social progress I thought I was seeing in my lifetime has completely missed a huge slab of the US population, and presumably other Western nations as well.

If all that voting for the mainstream choices has done is send you backwards they are probably thinkng fuck it, let’s break the joint and see what happens. How much worse for me can it be?

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/growing-fake-news-phenomenon-fuels-polarized-u-s-election

I thought we were running more than 38% crap info in facebook shares.

What is cis-gendered?

There do seem to be two Americas. There’s actually quite a lot of stuff around like the Moby piece, Quora is full of it:
https://www.quora.com/

Or maybe they just feed me the stuff they think I’ll like.

Anyway, let’s hope the sensible majority win the day.

OK, I’ve looked up cisgender.

sarahs mum said:

“There is a deep-rooted misogyny in this country that is virulent and pretty horrifying.”
I, as a cis-gendered white man, hadn’t really been aware of it. But you see people not being comfortable just flat-out stating their misogyny, but instead stating something like they can’t vote for Hillary “because of her voice” or “the way she dresses.” And I’m like, “You know what? That’s just straight-up misogyny.” It’s like how there were so many people who were vehemently opposed to Obama and it was just insidious racism.
The argument for her, and I hope this is self-evident, is that she’s smart, principled, experienced and tough, with a solid, progressive voting record. I get very frustrated when people say that she’s not a progressive. Have you actually looked at her legislative record? It’s almost identical to Bernie Sanders’ legislative record.
With Trump, you get a belligerent racist who’s most likely a sociopath definitely a racist and misogynist with no governing experience. And with Hillary, you get an incredibly bright, progressive, strong, experienced legislator. There’s no choice unless you’re ignorant, delusional or racist.
I’ve given more money to Democrats this cycle than I’ve ever given in an election season. I’ve done phone-banking, tweeted, Facebooked and Instagrammed, probably to my own personal detriment — the detriment of my friendships certainly the detriment of my professional life – but honestly, the results of this election are more important than most. I’d rather lose fans and have a hand in trying to keep Donald Trump out of the White House than trying to protect a career. A career pales in comparison to the health and wellbeing of our country and our planet.
What I learned a long time ago is if you’re a public figure and you’re opinionated and outspoken, people will hate you for it — even if they agree with what you’re saying. But it’s really nice: I’ve been doing this for a long time and at this point I just don’t care. What’s someone gonna do — not buy my records? It’s 2016, no one buys records anyway.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/moby-donald-trump-is-actual-sociopath-w448443

that is soooo true… no one buys records any more…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Advocate_(1997_film)

wookiemeister said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Advocate_(1997_film)

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
MOSTLY FALSE

wookiemeister said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Advocate_(1997_film)

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
MOSTLY FALSE

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Advocate_(1997_film)

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
MOSTLY FALSE

Tell me about the bits thta weren’t FALSE.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

Black might matter but poor voters are likely to believe trump.

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

So Hilary would only win the state by 40%?

sibeen said:

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

So Hilary would only win the state by 40%?

Err, I may have meant 4%.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

So Hilary would only win the state by 40%?

Err, I may have meant 4%.

Elections are won between 1.5 and 4 %

roughbarked said:

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Advocate_(1997_film)

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
MOSTLY FALSE

Tell me about the bits thta weren’t FALSE.

Probably simplest for you to read the article but basically: it is true that she was appointed to represent the rapist. She asked to be removed from the case but the request was denied. She never asserted that the victim made the story up. She is recorded as laughing about the fact that the rapist’s polygraph test destroyed her faith in polygraphs forever.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

Black might matter but poor voters are likely to believe trump.

Trump voters are relatively wealthy on average.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
MOSTLY FALSE

Tell me about the bits thta weren’t FALSE.

Probably simplest for you to read the article but basically: it is true that she was appointed to represent the rapist. She asked to be removed from the case but the request was denied. She never asserted that the victim made the story up. She is recorded as laughing about the fact that the rapist’s polygraph test destroyed her faith in polygraphs forever.

She isn’t squeaky but at least compared to Trump she’s almost normal.

sibeen said:

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

So Hilary would only win the state by 40%?

Right now she is 3.5% ahead in Philadelphia.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

Black might matter but poor voters are likely to believe trump.

Trump voters are relatively wealthy on average.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

There is another deriviative on poor.

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-transit-strike-in-philly-could-lower-turnout-among-black-and-poor-voters/
A Transit Strike In Philly Could Lower Turnout, Especially Among Black And Poor Voters

So Hilary would only win the state by 40%?

Right now she is 3.5% ahead in Philadelphia.

Ahead in Philly is everything, for Philly.

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Advocate_(1997_film)

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
MOSTLY FALSE

evidence went missing

i wouldnt trust hillary , now would any sane person

hillary had her time to make the world a better place and just ended up filling up her bank account

assange quite rightly has tapped her as untrustworthy

But yeah … that’s about what they’ve got on HDRC. She was appointed, forty years ago, to defend a rapist, and also used a private mail server. This is worse than Watergate.

dv said:

But yeah … that’s about what they’ve got on HDRC. She was appointed, forty years ago, to defend a rapist, and also used a private mail server. This is worse than Watergate.

OK, so how long did tricky Dickie do that for?

i guess hillary can have a poke at the russian bear and get mauled when she gets in

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

i don’t see them glassing australia unless they get mouthy and start doing stupid things at the behest of the yanks that have dragged this country into every doomed conflict since malaya.

if russia hits america and leaves all the other NATO members alone i don’t see britain pressing the button

wookiemeister said:

i guess hillary can have a poke at the russian bear and get mauled when she gets in

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

i don’t see them glassing australia unless they get mouthy and start doing stupid things at the behest of the yanks that have dragged this country into every doomed conflict since malaya.

if russia hits america and leaves all the other NATO members alone i don’t see britain pressing the button

You actually believe there is nobody left who remembers the past?

dv said:

But yeah … that’s about what they’ve got on HDRC. She was appointed, forty years ago, to defend a rapist, and also used a private mail server. This is worse than Watergate.

—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v97xH6Bof0
Seth Meyers sums it up at 6:20…

russia is going to drive every jihadist and religious nutcase straight into the guts of europe. that takes care of the western front as thousands of little gremlins start the knife attacks and bombs. its a good payback for europe that has aided and abetted the whole process in the middle east for the last20 years.

wookiemeister said:

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

I could see a cold war-ish thing happening again.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

I could see a cold war-ish thing happening again.

Methinks an internal civil war would precede any other conflict.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

I could see a cold war-ish thing happening again.

Yep, if Clinton wins who could know what would happen. She is known to be a bit of a hawk on these matters.

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

I could see a cold war-ish thing happening again.

Yep, if Clinton wins who could know what would happen. She is known to be a bit of a hawk on these matters.

The hawk moth still needs to evade the hunting squirrel.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

its on hold – for now

theyve signed an agreement on gas transit through turkey

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

its on hold – for now

theyve signed an agreement on gas transit through turkey

Carrier in flames…

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

i’m seeing a first strike by russia on american silos and its strike capability

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

I could see a cold war-ish thing happening again.

Well let’s face it, it is already on

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/malcolm-gladwell-us-election-the-national-trump-clinton-1.3838449

sibeen said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Do you know how stupid you sound when you make these crazy predictions? Anyway aren’t Turkey and Russia supposed to be at war by now?

I could see a cold war-ish thing happening again.

Yep, if Clinton wins who could know what would happen. She is known to be a bit of a hawk on these matters.

Clinton might be in the same position as Obama where Congress is held by Republican majority so everything he wanted to put through was blocked.

If Trump becomes president I wonder if he and Putin will ride the same horse topless together

Cymek said:

If Trump becomes president I wonder if he and Putin will ride the same horse topless together

That would be perfectly natural. But not if Hillary became president.

Cymek said:

If Trump becomes president I wonder if he and Putin will ride the same horse topless together

Sure, but he’s making Putin pay for it.

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

If Trump becomes president I wonder if he and Putin will ride the same horse topless together

Sure, but he’s making Putin pay for it.

I’m sure Putin will be happy to provide Trump with as many horses as he wants.

If he wins.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

If Trump becomes president I wonder if he and Putin will ride the same horse topless together

That would be perfectly natural. But not if Hillary became president.

I was in Byron on the weekend.. seems that topless activities aren’t all the uncommon woman or even bottomless activities for men…

I knew there’s a reason moved to Rainbow Beach.

;)

“By some estimates more Hispanics had voted in Florida by the weekend than voted in the entire 2012 election.”

Wonder who they voted for.

I posted this earlier but hey, I find it amusing. It’s from one of the many election stories currently on the abc news site.

Divine Angel said:

“Like in Australia, the losing candidate will usually call the winner to concede defeat once that number has been reached.”

…Unless Clinton wins.

“The ‘Donald J. Trump Victory Party’ will start at 6.30pm at the New York Hilton Midtown.”

Credit for being optimistic.

Divine Angel said:

I posted this earlier but hey, I find it amusing. It’s from one of the many election stories currently on the abc news site.

Divine Angel said:

“Like in Australia, the losing candidate will usually call the winner to concede defeat once that number has been reached.”

…Unless Clinton wins.

“The ‘Donald J. Trump Victory Party’ will start at 6.30pm at the New York Hilton Midtown.”

Credit for being optimistic.

I remember Ross Perot’s speech after he badly lost the election.

“They said we couldn’t do it!” he triumphantly declared. Even the gathered supporters had WTF? in their thought balloons.

I’m rooting for the old boiler.

In his 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump recalled punching his second-grade music teacher in the face: “Because I didn’t think he knew anything about music.”

The alleged recipient of the punch, who taught Trump at the private Kew-Forest school in Queens, New York, would later insist it never happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/07/donald-trump-jamaica-estates-new-york-election-day?CMP=fb_gu

sarahs mum said:

In his 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump recalled punching his second-grade music teacher in the face: “Because I didn’t think he knew anything about music.”

The alleged recipient of the punch, who taught Trump at the private Kew-Forest school in Queens, New York, would later insist it never happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/07/donald-trump-jamaica-estates-new-york-election-day?CMP=fb_gu

That book is a face-out title in the business section at work…I often have to walk past it :/

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

In his 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump recalled punching his second-grade music teacher in the face: “Because I didn’t think he knew anything about music.”

The alleged recipient of the punch, who taught Trump at the private Kew-Forest school in Queens, New York, would later insist it never happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/07/donald-trump-jamaica-estates-new-york-election-day?CMP=fb_gu

That book is a face-out title in the business section at work…I often have to walk past it :/

:(

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Donald wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Donald wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

I will be certainly surprised if NH comes out for Donald.

My facebook is full of it.

Question. Does ‘truth, justice and the American way’ predate Superman?

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Donald wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

I will be certainly surprised if NH comes out for Donald.

My facebook is full of it.

Question. Does ‘truth, justice and the American way’ predate Superman?

The speeches’ of the greet Republican President Abraham Lincoln woud suggest it goes back a long way.

Facebook is usually full of it.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Donald wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

I will be certainly surprised if NH comes out for Donald.

My facebook is full of it.

Question. Does ‘truth, justice and the American way’ predate Superman?

The above is such a propaganda line

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Donald wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

I will be certainly surprised if NH comes out for Donald.

My facebook is full of it.

Question. Does ‘truth, justice and the American way’ predate Superman?

The above is such a propaganda line

It’s not a lie. You get truth & justice or you get the American way.

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

I will be certainly surprised if NH comes out for Donald.

My facebook is full of it.

Question. Does ‘truth, justice and the American way’ predate Superman?

The above is such a propaganda line

It’s not a lie. You get truth & justice or you get the American way.

If I had super powers the last thing I would want to do would be loyal to one nation, you’d have a responsibility to look after the entire population of the planet.

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

The above is such a propaganda line

It’s not a lie. You get truth & justice or you get the American way.

If I had super powers the last thing I would want to do would be loyal to one nation

Funnily enough, that’s the same conclusion that all but three of the previous incarnation of one nation’s sitting members came to to…

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Donald wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Stop calling this idiot – “The Donald”.

kii said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Trump wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Stop calling this idiot – “The Donald”.

fixed

kii said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Man wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Stop calling this idiot – “The Donald”.

?

kii said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Dude wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Stop calling this idiot – “The Donald”.

I like this one…

diddly-squat said:

kii said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Dude wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Stop calling this idiot – “The Donald”.

I like this one…

arvs

Storms on the way. And 36.. a bit too warm for wandering around the paddock

diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

kii said:

Stop calling this idiot – “The Donald”.

I like this one…

Donald?

Ian said:

diddly-squat said:

diddly-squat said:

I like this one…

Donald?

Dude…

kii said:

Peak Warming Man said:

One of the first results to come through tomorrow will be New Hampshire.
I’m surprised it’s even close but if Hillary wins that one the other contentious states will follow
If The Donald wins it it could well come down to Florida, again.
Personally I don’t believe the polls and think Hilary is a shoe in by some margin

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37450661

Stop calling this idiot – “The Donald”.

FWIW “Donald” in Cockney rhyming slang means “in a very bad way”

I’ve always had a pretty low opinion of Amerrickans collectively, but I think that the turn out for Trump will make a useful FITHometer for that peculiar mob.

Ian said:

I’ve always had a pretty low opinion of Amerrickans collectively, but I think that the turn out for Trump will make a useful FITHometer for that peculiar mob.

They’re very similar to Australians, there’s just more of them.

poikilotherm said:

Ian said:

I’ve always had a pretty low opinion of Amerrickans collectively, but I think that the turn out for Trump will make a useful FITHometer for that peculiar mob.

They’re very similar to Australians, there’s just more of them.

Not IME

Ian said:

poikilotherm said:

Ian said:

I’ve always had a pretty low opinion of Amerrickans collectively, but I think that the turn out for Trump will make a useful FITHometer for that peculiar mob.

They’re very similar to Australians, there’s just more of them.

Not IME

Americans living elsewhere seem to be more intelligent and critical of USA culture I’ve noticed

• Americans living elsewhere seem to be more intelligent

If I was US citizen, I would leave too. And not just because of this election…

furious said:

• Americans living elsewhere seem to be more intelligent

If I was US citizen, I would leave too. And not just because of this election…

I can see it becoming a police state all in the name of fighting terrorists

Cymek said:

Ian said:

poikilotherm said:

They’re very similar to Australians, there’s just more of them.

Not IME

Americans living elsewhere seem to be more intelligent and critical of USA culture I’ve noticed

I think there are a great many Americans living in America that are intelligent and critical of US socio-political factors…

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

Cymek said:

furious said:

• Americans living elsewhere seem to be more intelligent

If I was US citizen, I would leave too. And not just because of this election…

I can see it becoming a police state all in the name of fighting terrorists

yeah… probably considering all mannerisms of meta-data collection and retention, citizenship and immigration restrictions…

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

furious said:

• Americans living elsewhere seem to be more intelligent

If I was US citizen, I would leave too. And not just because of this election…

I can see it becoming a police state all in the name of fighting terrorists

yeah… probably considering all mannerisms of meta-data collection and retention, citizenship and immigration restrictions…

And the militarisation of the police force who are getting surplus vehicles and weapons

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

Ian said:

Not IME

Americans living elsewhere seem to be more intelligent and critical of USA culture I’ve noticed

I think there are a great many Americans living in America that are intelligent and critical of US socio-political factors…

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

Yes I think so allowing small minded people to dictate policy and actions all on mostly misguided fears

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

I can see it becoming a police state all in the name of fighting terrorists

yeah… probably considering all mannerisms of meta-data collection and retention, citizenship and immigration restrictions…

And the militarisation of the police force who are getting surplus vehicles and weapons

I was being facetious, the American constitution protects personal freedoms much more than happens here in Oz… we have far more draconian laws around things like collection and retention of meta data or laws governing citizenship and immigration…

Ok America… don’t fuck it up.

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

yeah… probably considering all mannerisms of meta-data collection and retention, citizenship and immigration restrictions…

And the militarisation of the police force who are getting surplus vehicles and weapons

I was being facetious, the American constitution protects personal freedoms much more than happens here in Oz… we have far more draconian laws around things like collection and retention of meta data or laws governing citizenship and immigration…

The Patriot Act explicitly violated the U.S. constitution, but was enacted without intervention from the courts. There was opposition to it from citizenry, but they were ignored.

Arts said:

Ok America… don’t fuck it up.

yeah. what she said.

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

——-

Mmm, similar direction but even close to the same degree. None of the major parties here have presented a Trump as leader… Howard (to whom nearly everything rotten can be traced) and Abbott come closest.

Cross a Palmer with a Roberts and you’d be getting close.

Ian said:

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

——-

Mmm, similar direction but even close to the same degree. None of the major parties here have presented a Trump as leader… Howard (to whom nearly everything rotten can be traced) and Abbott come closest.

Cross a Palmer with a Roberts and you’d be getting close.

I don’t think that someone in Australia with no political experience or past interest in that arena and whose only qualifications are a shit load of money would get that far…

Ian said:

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

——-

Mmm, similar direction but even close to the same degree. None of the major parties here have presented a Trump as leader… Howard (to whom nearly everything rotten can be traced) and Abbott come closest.

Cross a Palmer with a Roberts and you’d be getting close.

I’m talking policies, not personalities

Ian said:

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

——-

Mmm, similar direction but even close to the same degree. None of the major parties here have presented a Trump as leader… Howard (to whom nearly everything rotten can be traced) and Abbott come closest.

Cross a Palmer with a Roberts and you’d be getting close.

Remind me, which party was it that legislated mandatory detention, that people who arrived by boat would never ever be resettled and locked up women and children in what is described by activists as concentration camps? Because from the rhetoric routinely rolled out here, you might be mistaken and think it was the Liberals.

AwesomeO said:

Ian said:

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

——-

Mmm, similar direction but even close to the same degree. None of the major parties here have presented a Trump as leader… Howard (to whom nearly everything rotten can be traced) and Abbott come closest.

Cross a Palmer with a Roberts and you’d be getting close.

Remind me, which party was it that legislated mandatory detention, that people who arrived by boat would never ever be resettled and locked up women and children in what is described by activists as concentration camps? Because from the rhetoric routinely rolled out here, you might be mistaken and think it was the Liberals.

Well, to be fair about it, the Liberals did vote for that legislation…..

;)

diddly-squat said:

Ian said:

But I agree with poik… I think by-and-large we (Australians) like to demonise the US for being in the position it is now but then we have a parliament that not only talks about similar policies to what Trump is proposing, but is actually enacting them.

——-

Mmm, similar direction but even close to the same degree. None of the major parties here have presented a Trump as leader… Howard (to whom nearly everything rotten can be traced) and Abbott come closest.

Cross a Palmer with a Roberts and you’d be getting close.

I’m talking policies, not personalities

I’m talking both.

There are three states that are as close as buggery in the polls. Nevada, North Carolina and Florida. Together they add up 50 Electoral college votes so basically a shift of a fraction of a percent could take Clinton from 322-216 to 272-266. If the latter happens then Trump will just need any of Clinton’s so-called firewall states: New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado.

But present polling indicates those states should be okay.

dv said:

There are three states that are as close as buggery in the polls. Nevada, North Carolina and Florida. Together they add up 50 Electoral college votes so basically a shift of a fraction of a percent could take Clinton from 322-216 to 272-266. If the latter happens then Trump will just need any of Clinton’s so-called firewall states: New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado.

But present polling indicates those states should be okay.

Let’s hope so.

Forget Hawaii..

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/21/opinion/why-hawaii-doesnt-vote/

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

yeah… probably considering all mannerisms of meta-data collection and retention, citizenship and immigration restrictions…

And the militarisation of the police force who are getting surplus vehicles and weapons

I was being facetious, the American constitution protects personal freedoms much more than happens here in Oz… we have far more draconian laws around things like collection and retention of meta data or laws governing citizenship and immigration…

I suppose you are one of those unaustralian whingers that complain about your safety neckband tracker being too tight or its giving you a rash.

Looking forward to world war wookiemeister after the election

Reporter: so Mr Trump, it appears that you lost to Mrs Clinton for the presidency, do you have any comment on that?

Donald Trump: I never ran for president.

Is it over year?

Woodie said:

Is it over year?

You probably got another 20 hours before a winner is declared

What outlet will you be watching the count on DV, Fox?

Man it’s a weird system, you can vote early and the go back and change your vote and Republicans who don’t like Trump are swapping their votes between states to keep him out, all kosher apparently.

“Thousands of disenchanted Americans are taking part in what is known as vote trading, where voters legally swap their votes with others in different states, as part of a tactical effort to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.”

Peak Warming Man said:

Man it’s a weird system, you can vote early and the go back and change your vote and Republicans who don’t like Trump are swapping their votes between states to keep him out, all kosher apparently.

“Thousands of disenchanted Americans are taking part in what is known as vote trading, where voters legally swap their votes with others in different states, as part of a tactical effort to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.”

they’re a weird mob.

I hope Hillary wins, but I’ve decided not to vote in this election.

Peak Warming Man said:

Man it’s a weird system, you can vote early and the go back and change your vote and Republicans who don’t like Trump are swapping their votes between states to keep him out, all kosher apparently.

“Thousands of disenchanted Americans are taking part in what is known as vote trading, where voters legally swap their votes with others in different states, as part of a tactical effort to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.”

I’ll wait for the wookie report before reaching any conclusions on this.

How do the people who trade votes know what the other person really does?

Here’s the mathematical reason why it’s impossible for Donald Trump to win the US election

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/us-election-will-trump-clinton-win-electoral-college-swing-states-a7402351.html?cmpid=facebook-post

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Man it’s a weird system, you can vote early and the go back and change your vote and Republicans who don’t like Trump are swapping their votes between states to keep him out, all kosher apparently.

“Thousands of disenchanted Americans are taking part in what is known as vote trading, where voters legally swap their votes with others in different states, as part of a tactical effort to keep Donald Trump out of the White House.”

I’ll wait for the wookie report before reaching any conclusions on this.

How do the people who trade votes know what the other person really does?

yeah I think that idea is a bit silly

Bubblecar said:

Here’s the mathematical reason why it’s impossible for Donald Trump to win the US election

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/us-election-will-trump-clinton-win-electoral-college-swing-states-a7402351.html?cmpid=facebook-post

It’s really noy impossible.

But it is not likely.

Bubblecar said:

I hope Hillary wins, but I’ve decided not to vote in this election.

Out of interest, when was the last time you voted in an election?

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Here’s the mathematical reason why it’s impossible for Donald Trump to win the US election

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/us-election-will-trump-clinton-win-electoral-college-swing-states-a7402351.html?cmpid=facebook-post

It’s really noy impossible.

But it is not likely.

The article explains that it’s unlikely, but it seems a click-hungry sub-editor decided “impossible” was more alluring.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

I hope Hillary wins, but I’ve decided not to vote in this election.

Out of interest, when was the last time you voted in an election?

Would have been in high school when voting for class captain.

When O’Bama leaves office I wonder if he’ll pardon Bwian.

Bubblecar said:

Would have been in high school when voting for class captain.

Were you on the ballot?

Sadly, the dream of Egg McMuFinn winning in Utah is fading, but he will probably get about 30% of the vote.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

Would have been in high school when voting for class captain.

Were you on the ballot?

Yes, I think most of the class were. Can’t remember who won, or what their duties entailed, if anything. The class captain thing was discontinued in my subsequent high school years (that was my first year).

are we there yet?

The boffins at fivethirtyeight.com have lowered the boom. Their final estimate of percentage probabilities shows a sharp up-tick in the last couple of days for Clinton, following the FBI’s announcement that the new email trove contains nothing that necessitates the probe into Clinton’s email server to be reopened.

Note that the last polls that influence this model were conducted over four days at least, and hence are contaminated by responses recorded before the FBI made this announcement. An optimistic soul might reason that things are actually more positive for Clinton than these polls suggest.

party_pants said:

are we there yet?

Not until around midday tomorrow.

party_pants said:

are we there yet?

You should have a winner by about 3 pm Sydney time

…or a bit later than midday :)

Bubblecar said:

…or a bit later than midday :)

3pm Sydney time is midday Perth time :)

I’ll call it after the first exit polls hit the wires and go to bed.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ll call it after the first exit polls hit the wires and go to bed.

After a three year election campaign we can’t afford to rush these final hours.

dv said:

https://s16.postimg.org/oyb09r7px/pollsonly.jpg

well that’s just loverly

Are we there yet?

The shortest newspaper editorial of the 2016 presidential campaign, from the Miami Herald:

Bubblecar said:

The shortest newspaper editorial of the 2016 presidential campaign, from the Miami Herald:

Rupert looks quite mild by comparison.

Trump and wife booed as they arrive to vote.

kii said:

Trump and wife booed as they arrive to vote.

I’m surprised at the number of people on my feed that want to move to canada if hillary wins..

Stumpy_seahorse said:

kii said:

Trump and wife booed as they arrive to vote.

I’m surprised at the number of people on my feed that want to move to canada if hillary wins..

They have no idea what’s just over the border.

kii said:

!https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14993377_10101144563497425_4252600874670459567_n.jpg?oh=c934e07c8893c7b9a307fad01acd4871&oe=58CB2F4F

snigger

Stumpy_seahorse said:

kii said:

Trump and wife booed as they arrive to vote.

I’m surprised at the number of people on my feed that want to move to canada if hillary wins..

Sounds like you need some dietary adjustment.

Ian said:

Stumpy_seahorse said:

kii said:

Trump and wife booed as they arrive to vote.

I’m surprised at the number of people on my feed that want to move to canada if hillary wins..

Sounds like you need some dietary adjustment.

I have three people on my feed voting Trump. Two of them are from Ohio.. one from California. All are hard working whites fighting poverty. The two in Ohio live in an area where the primary employers are arms manufacturers and take away food. They rally for their football team even through player rape allegations. Even though they are god fearing Christians. And.. they aren’t smart people.

My favourite african american grandma is voting for Stein.

I really hope that Clinton wins by a landslide. Trump will demand recount upon recount if it’s a narrow margin.

Divine Angel said:

I really hope that Clinton wins by a landslide. Trump will demand recount upon recount if it’s a narrow margin.

He can have as many recounts as he likes. If Clinton gets the required number of EC votes.

In the election where bush got in there was widespread vote rigging , people not being able to vote etc . Al gore is shown brushing all these inconsistencies aside and thus ushering in the war in the Middle East.

Russia has been busily deploying its troops and nuclear missile systems and I rather suspect they have already been doing their own polls and intelligence collecting and already know who is going to win – hence the build up and deployment of nuclear warheads.

Oh course this is all al foil hat territory to suggest that the super powers take an active interest in how the course of an election would flow, it would all be a complete surprise.

wookiemeister said:

In the election where bush got in there was widespread vote rigging , people not being able to vote etc . Al gore is shown brushing all these inconsistencies aside and thus ushering in the war in the Middle East.

Russia has been busily deploying its troops and nuclear missile systems and I rather suspect they have already been doing their own polls and intelligence collecting and already know who is going to win – hence the build up and deployment of nuclear warheads.

Britain has also been deploying.

sarahs mum said:

wookiemeister said:

In the election where bush got in there was widespread vote rigging , people not being able to vote etc . Al gore is shown brushing all these inconsistencies aside and thus ushering in the war in the Middle East.

Russia has been busily deploying its troops and nuclear missile systems and I rather suspect they have already been doing their own polls and intelligence collecting and already know who is going to win – hence the build up and deployment of nuclear warheads.

Britain has also been deploying.

Airstrip 1 just does what it’s told. Militarily Britain is still in the EU and is thus still bound to send its troops to fight Russia. I doubt if Brexit will happen any time soon.

Anyway, it’s Russia positioning its troops , it’s expecting a bellicose American government and is moving its chess pieces to warn off Hillary

wookiemeister said:

sarahs mum said:

wookiemeister said:

In the election where bush got in there was widespread vote rigging , people not being able to vote etc . Al gore is shown brushing all these inconsistencies aside and thus ushering in the war in the Middle East.

Russia has been busily deploying its troops and nuclear missile systems and I rather suspect they have already been doing their own polls and intelligence collecting and already know who is going to win – hence the build up and deployment of nuclear warheads.

Britain has also been deploying.

Airstrip 1 just does what it’s told. Militarily Britain is still in the EU and is thus still bound to send its troops to fight Russia. I doubt if Brexit will happen any time soon.

Anyway, it’s Russia positioning its troops , it’s expecting a bellicose American government and is moving its chess pieces to warn off Hillary

So the cold war continues?

Vote 1 Wookie for POTUS

I think they already know Hillary will win this hence the military manoeuvres

I’ve just read three articles about psychic animals predicting the outcome of the US election. The male animals all chose Trump while the female animals went for Hillary.

Make of that what ye will.

Unless the yanks can stop the flow of crime and drugs from Mexico its doomed. They regularly find tunnels built to ship drugs into America , pseudo submarines have been built to facilitate drugs into America. More drugs – more crime , combined with guns you have set the stage for a massive civil war

wookiemeister said:

Unless the yanks can stop the flow of crime and drugs from Mexico its doomed. They regularly find tunnels built to ship drugs into America , pseudo submarines have been built to facilitate drugs into America. More drugs – more crime , combined with guns you have set the stage for a massive civil war

The easy fix is to remove the drug smuggler’s market. Make the drugs legal.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/11/daily-chart-4?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/howothercountrieswouldvoteintheamericanelection

Oh Trump!

“It’s been a beautiful process … the people of this country are incredible,” Mr Trump said of the election.

“ if I don’t win, I will consider it a tremendous waste of time, energy and money.”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-09/at-long-last-americans-choose-between-clinton-and-trump/8007474

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Unless the yanks can stop the flow of crime and drugs from Mexico its doomed. They regularly find tunnels built to ship drugs into America , pseudo submarines have been built to facilitate drugs into America. More drugs – more crime , combined with guns you have set the stage for a massive civil war

The easy fix is to remove the drug smuggler’s market. Make the drugs legal.

Maybe

make soft drugs legal and wipe out the hard drugs cartels Phillipines style . This way the top part of the pyramid can be eradicated without the legal system being involved which would only stall the ability of society to get clean . More crime – more work for the legal system , it’s a business after all

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Unless the yanks can stop the flow of crime and drugs from Mexico its doomed. They regularly find tunnels built to ship drugs into America , pseudo submarines have been built to facilitate drugs into America. More drugs – more crime , combined with guns you have set the stage for a massive civil war

The easy fix is to remove the drug smuggler’s market. Make the drugs legal.

Maybe

make soft drugs legal and wipe out the hard drugs cartels Phillipines style . This way the top part of the pyramid can be eradicated without the legal system being involved which would only stall the ability of society to get clean . More crime – more work for the legal system , it’s a business after all

I think legalisation is the only long term answer. Synthetic drugs are so easy to make that law enforcement cannot keep up.

Divine Angel said:

Vote 1 Wookie for POTUS

Not another two years of yank electioneering.

And I’m never voting wookie unless there is a biggest scaremonger competition.

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

The easy fix is to remove the drug smuggler’s market. Make the drugs legal.

Maybe

make soft drugs legal and wipe out the hard drugs cartels Phillipines style . This way the top part of the pyramid can be eradicated without the legal system being involved which would only stall the ability of society to get clean . More crime – more work for the legal system , it’s a business after all

I think legalisation is the only long term answer. Synthetic drugs are so easy to make that law enforcement cannot keep up.

But the war on drugs has been so effective…

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

The easy fix is to remove the drug smuggler’s market. Make the drugs legal.

Maybe

make soft drugs legal and wipe out the hard drugs cartels Phillipines style . This way the top part of the pyramid can be eradicated without the legal system being involved which would only stall the ability of society to get clean . More crime – more work for the legal system , it’s a business after all

I think legalisation is the only long term answer. Synthetic drugs are so easy to make that law enforcement cannot keep up.

There’s no incentive for the gov to stop drugs , it’s a bottomless pit for resources to stop it

Speed radar and various taxes on otherwise law abiding people makes money, chasing serial offenders doesn’t

People that end up killing people with their vehicles rarely serve any real sentence even though they are serial offenders.

Realistically it’s easier for the gov to do nothing and tell people they are

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Maybe

make soft drugs legal and wipe out the hard drugs cartels Phillipines style . This way the top part of the pyramid can be eradicated without the legal system being involved which would only stall the ability of society to get clean . More crime – more work for the legal system , it’s a business after all

I think legalisation is the only long term answer. Synthetic drugs are so easy to make that law enforcement cannot keep up.

But the war on drugs has been so effective…

It certainly has. Drug usage has increased enormously.

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

wookiemeister said:

Maybe

make soft drugs legal and wipe out the hard drugs cartels Phillipines style . This way the top part of the pyramid can be eradicated without the legal system being involved which would only stall the ability of society to get clean . More crime – more work for the legal system , it’s a business after all

I think legalisation is the only long term answer. Synthetic drugs are so easy to make that law enforcement cannot keep up.

But the war on drugs has been so effective…

Well the war on speeding, the war on robbery and the war on murder haven’t stopped these activities but that doesn’t mean we should legalise them.

Peak Warming Man said:

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

I think legalisation is the only long term answer. Synthetic drugs are so easy to make that law enforcement cannot keep up.

But the war on drugs has been so effective…

Well the war on speeding, the war on robbery and the war on murder haven’t stopped these activities but that doesn’t mean we should legalise them.

Nice strawman for the morning.

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

poikilotherm said:

But the war on drugs has been so effective…

Well the war on speeding, the war on robbery and the war on murder haven’t stopped these activities but that doesn’t mean we should legalise them.

Nice strawman for the morning.

i was thinking false equivalence. again. sure keep the war on the big suppliers but for the average bruce and shirl it is a health issue.

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

poikilotherm said:

But the war on drugs has been so effective…

Well the war on speeding, the war on robbery and the war on murder haven’t stopped these activities but that doesn’t mean we should legalise them.

Nice strawman for the morning.

I like my strawmen like my coffee – black

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Well the war on speeding, the war on robbery and the war on murder haven’t stopped these activities but that doesn’t mean we should legalise them.

Nice strawman for the morning.

I like my strawmen like my coffee – black

Black straw is mouldy.

BEN CASSELMAN 5:31 PM
Here’s another interesting tidbit from the exit polls: Voters overall consider the economy the top issue facing the next president. But Clinton voters are significantly more focused on the economy than Trump voters, who are more concerned with terrorism and immigration. That runs counter to the narrative, which we’ve previously questioned, that Trump supporters are motivated primarily by economic anxiety.

—-

Preliminary exit polls suggest that 17 percent of voters are excited by the idea of Clinton as president and 29 percent are scared of it; only 13 percent of voters are excited about Trump as president, while 37 percent said that idea scared them.

I thought Trump supporters were motivated by guns, wiping out other nations and grabbing women inappropriately.

Divine Angel said:

I thought Trump supporters were motivated by guns, wiping out other nations and grabbing women inappropriately.

And this https://youtu.be/dhVtgojbmKU

HARRY ENTEN 5:28 PM
If all voters who approve of President Obama vote for Clinton, it’s going to be a good night for her. The preliminary exit poll puts Obama’s approval rating at 54 percent. That’s far higher than George W. Bush’s was in 2008, when just 27 percent approved of the job he was doing. He definitely hurt John McCain’s chances of winning.

BEN CASSELMAN 5:13 PM
Trump’s campaign didn’t feature much in the way of specific policy proposals (no, “We’re going to make a great trade deal” doesn’t count). But one area where Trump has offered specifics is tax policy. The only problem: Those specifics kept changing, sometimes in dramatic ways. Alan Cole, an expert at the conservative Tax Foundation, had an entertaining tweetstorm today on the winding path of Trump’s tax plans. The bottom line, though, remained the same throughout: Trump’s plan would cut taxes on the richest Americans while reducing government revenue by trillions of dollars.

I wonder if Hillary will let Bill anywhere near the oval office desk?

Preliminary exit polls suggest that 17 percent of voters are excited by the idea of Clinton as president and 29 percent are scared of it; only 13 percent of voters are excited about Trump as president, while 37 percent said that idea scared them.

————

http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/cartoons-by-michael-leunig-20090711-dgl6

Peak Warming Man said:

I wonder if Hillary will let Bill anywhere near the oval office desk?

As president she can probably have like 100 secret service guys on him 24/7

Would Bill still have SS protection?

Divine Angel said:

Would Bill still have SS protection?

From his time as Pres, I mean.

Divine Angel said:

Would Bill still have SS protection?

Oh yeah he does, good point

There could be a shoot out

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I wonder if Hillary will let Bill anywhere near the oval office desk?

As president she can probably have like 100 secret service guys on him 24/7

She’s gunna deed twice that number if she wants to survive one term imo.

Divine Angel said:

Divine Angel said:

Would Bill still have SS protection?

From his time as Pres, I mean.

So in an assassination attempt the SS have to take a bullet for both of them?

The biggest story is that this is the first presidential election since a Supreme Court decision removed important protections of the Voting Rights Act, leading to hundreds of poll closures around the country. The full impact of those changes probably won’t be clear until all the votes are counted. It probably exacerbated long lines, already a big problem in 2012. At least the weather isn’t likely to dissuade people from voting. Long lines and polling-place closures have a much bigger effect on vote totals than voter fraud.

Do US polling places have sausage sizzles and/or cake stalls?

CARL BIALIK 2:31 PM
Why is it illegal to post ballot selfies like Eric Trump did today on Twitter (before deleting it)? One big argument for banning the practice is that it could be used as a way for the selfie taker to prove that she or he voted for a certain candidate — whether to satisfy a coercive employer’s demand, to earn a bribe for the vote or to convert on a vote swap. Opponents of the bans say there’s no evidence any of that really happens.

—-

Dumb ass

Was anyone expecting Eric Trump to vote for Hillary?

dv said:

The biggest story is that this is the first presidential election since a Supreme Court decision removed important protections of the Voting Rights Act, leading to hundreds of poll closures around the country. The full impact of those changes probably won’t be clear until all the votes are counted. It probably exacerbated long lines, already a big problem in 2012. At least the weather isn’t likely to dissuade people from voting. Long lines and polling-place closures have a much bigger effect on vote totals than voter fraud.

It’s the lack of sausage sizzles.

Divine Angel said:

Was anyone expecting Eric Trump to vote for Hillary?

I was expecting him to trip over his own feet and then choke on a dandelion

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Was anyone expecting Eric Trump to vote for Hillary?

I was expecting him to trip over his own feet and then choke on a dandelion

His name’s Eric not George Dubbya.

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Was anyone expecting Eric Trump to vote for Hillary?

I was expecting him to trip over his own feet and then choke on a dandelion

As long as he got a selfie.

Divine Angel said:

Was anyone expecting Eric Trump to vote for Hillary?

No not Eric the Red.

The Rev Dodgson said:

What is cis-gendered?

There do seem to be two Americas. There’s actually quite a lot of stuff around like the Moby piece, Quora is full of it:
https://www.quora.com/

Or maybe they just feed me the stuff they think I’ll like.

Anyway, let’s hope the sensible majority win the day.

You know, it’s funny… In the bad seed, of ideology or nature thread, your last reply to me where you stated you had seen no evidence of the type of things I was speaking about I had typed out a counter reply but ultimately decided to leave it alone and didn’t submit. That counter reply “Do you know what cis means? Do you know what zi means? Zie? Xe?”

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Was anyone expecting Eric Trump to vote for Hillary?

I was expecting him to trip over his own feet and then choke on a dandelion

Hahahaha…….*snort *

“… It seems so much of the social progress I thought I was seeing in my lifetime has completely missed a huge slab of the US population, and presumably other Western nations as well.”

By “ social progress”, do you mean “moral homogeneity”, as in “Anyone that doesn’t share every one of MY moral values is a backwards neanderthal”? Because, you know, huge chunks of Western nations populations are missing out on genuine social progress – and in the US that is why they are voting for Trump, because they know full well Clinton and her ilk are never going to throw any of the bones of this progress their way.

Capitalism thrives on competition. In every competition there are winners and losers. The question with capitalism is “How badly should the losers lose?” Currently the losers are losing badly enough that they, or those who can see themselves slowly heading in to that territory, are willing to vote for a fool like Trump.

Yesterday a woman came up to the store manager and one of the leads while they were moving a table. She said: Trump loves books and ALL booksellers! The guys just stood there and smiled until she walked away. They’re both gay.

Trump loves booksellers because they hold the power to have all his books on show in prominent places, such as the front window and by the rubbish bins.

George W Bush and his wife, Laura, “voted ‘None of the Above’ for president”, spokesman Freddy Ford said in an email.

Here’s what’s going to happen if Clinton should win.

A no fly zone will be imposed over parts of Syria which will result in NATO shooting down a Russian warplane.

There will be lots of sabre rattling and you and I are going to start worrying about Russia exercising its nuclear option either in direct retaliation or by supplying nuclear arms to their allies in the Middle East. Four years from now at the next US election negotiations between Russia and the US will be at a “delicate stage”, such that Clinton will hardly need to campaign for re-election; she will simply need to remind people that Russia has nukes and that if the American people don’t want to jeopardize the safety of the world then changing US governments at such a delicate time is out of the question.

Meanwhile, nuclear arms will proliferate in the Middle East. There will be a short cold war followed by a horrifying hot war.

This will be Hillary Clinton’s legacy. She is a dangerous person.

In contrast, Trump will co-operate with Putin regarding the Syrian situation. We will probably still end up with nuclear war in the Middle East, but at least we will not have a concomitant war with Russia to worry about.

Trump is an idiot, Clinton is a war-monger.

Choose wisely, America!

Hillary will win and most likely prove to be a reasonably competent president.

Reports of casualties, gunman on the loose after shooting outside California polling station

According to ABC news, Trump has 19 safe seats, Hillary has 3.

Divine Angel said:

Reports of casualties, gunman on the loose after shooting outside California polling station

It was bound to happen.

Divine Angel said:

Reports of casualties, gunman on the loose after shooting outside California polling station

URL?

And the results are rolling.

kii said:

Divine Angel said:

Reports of casualties, gunman on the loose after shooting outside California polling station

URL?

It’s a rolling headline on ABC news, but no story as yet.

Peak Warming Man said:

And the results are rolling.

abc showing Hills 3 safes trumpet 19 safes.

Divine Angel said:

kii said:

Divine Angel said:

Reports of casualties, gunman on the loose after shooting outside California polling station

URL?

It’s a rolling headline on ABC news, but no story as yet.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-azusa-shooting-injuries-20161108-story.html

I got off the bed and hit the main computer. Too tricky to search and panic on the tablet.

Bubblecar said:

Hillary will win and most likely prove to be a reasonably competent president.

can we say the same about Trump if he wins?

Divine Angel said:

Reports of casualties, gunman on the loose after shooting outside California polling station

:(

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

Hillary will win and most likely prove to be a reasonably competent president.

can we say the same about Trump if he wins?

Um, no.

Arts said:

can we say the same about Trump if he wins?

It will be like watching a corpse rot in the midday sun.

are we there yet?

Do you reckon Trump is a lizard person but a severely brain damaged one

Cymek said:

Do you reckon Trump is a lizard person but a severely brain damaged one

probably.

party_pants said:

are we there yet?

The TV is saying 19 Trumps v 3 Hillaries,and we need 270 of them apparently, so no.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

are we there yet?

The TV is saying 19 Trumps v 3 Hillaries,and we need 270 of them apparently, so no.

24 to 3

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

are we there yet?

The TV is saying 19 Trumps v 3 Hillaries,and we need 270 of them apparently, so no.

wish they’d get on with it

party_pants said:

are we there yet?

Grab some popcorn, we’re in for a bumpy ride.

Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

are we there yet?

Grab some popcorn, we’re in for a bumpy ride.

But I don’t want popcorn to spill all over the place.

Anthony Green’s gone early and virtually called it for Clinton.

What does Antony Green do when there’s no election happening?

182 – 92 for Hillary now.

44 Clinton, 31 Trump

So Trump never ended up releasing his tax returns. I wonder if that will be a precedent for future elections.

Divine Angel said:

What does Antony Green do when there’s no election happening?

Tutorials on how to use touch-screen graphics.

Divine Angel said:

What does Antony Green do when there’s no election happening?

He masturbates over truck loads of data print outs.

Peak Warming Man said:

Anthony Green’s gone early and virtually called it for Clinton.

He’ll have noticed my call from 2.5 days ago no doubt.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

What does Antony Green do when there’s no election happening?

He masturbates over truck loads of data print outs.

That escalated quickly.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

What does Antony Green do when there’s no election happening?

He masturbates over truck loads of data print outs.

That escalated quickly.

You can’t handle the truth.

I’m sorry I asked.

Divine Angel said:

I’m sorry I asked.

Antony John Green (born 2 March 1960) is an Australian psephologist and commentator. He is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s election analyst.

Contents
1 Early years and background
2 Career
3 References
4 External links
Early years and background
Born in Warrington, Cheshire in northern England, Green emigrated to Australia with his family in 1964. He attended James Ruse Agricultural High School in Sydney, graduating in 1977. Green graduated with a Bachelor of Science in mathematics and computing, and a Bachelor of Economics with honours in politics from the University of Sydney. He worked initially as a data analyst in the computing industry and for a polling company before joining the ABC in 1989.

Career
Green first appeared on the ABC’s election-night television coverage in the 1991 NSW general election, following with the federal election in 1993.

As of 2016 he had analysed over 60 Australian territory, state and federal elections for the ABC, starting with the 1989 Queensland state election to the 2016 federal election. He designed the computer system that he uses to predict election results based on partial counts.

As the ABC’s Election Analyst, Green is responsible for the content of its election website. He also has editorial responsibility for its data analysis and for their election night results service. He is considered “the face of election night coverage”.

In time for the 2013 federal election campaign, Green helped introduce the voter engagement tool Vote Compass to the ABC website. It enables voters to gauge how their views align with candidates based on party’s statements on issues and also provides Green and other analysts a dataset larger than traditional opinion polls. Green also writes a comprehensive blog on electoral matters.

Green has said that he tends not to do campaign commentary and that he “prefers to go into an election night with no preconceived view on the outcome and to just concentrate on understanding the data as it comes in.”

In a 2015 interview he explained that some of the work in preparation for his election night coverage can start years earlier including building up the database with candidates, polling places and past results and calculating the impact of redistributions. He also recounted the move from doing the coverage from tally rooms to the studio after his “nightmare” of the power outage during the on air coverage in 2010.

In addition to analysing and commenting on elections for the ABC, Green writes election analysis for third-party media outlets such as The Sydney Morning Herald and Crikey and has appeared before the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters of the Australian Parliament urging reform of the ticket voting system used in Australian Senate elections.

In 2014 the University of Sydney recognised Green with an Honorary Doctor of Letters. This was followed in 2015 by appointment as an Adjunct Professor in Sydney University’s Department of Government and International Relations recognising Green’s work in the study of elections.

Green’s contribution to political analysis was celebrated in the song “Antony Green” in the musical Keating!, where he was represented as an animated character.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Green

But does he know where the good sausage sizzles are?

>> Green emigrated to Australia with his family in 1964. He attended James Ruse Agricultural High School in Sydney, graduating in 1977.

He would have been in the same year with some of my over achieving classmates from primary school.

Divine Angel said:

I’m sorry I asked.

Sorry, I have plenty on at work to distract me for the rest of the morning.

sarahs mum said:

>> Green emigrated to Australia with his family in 1964. He attended James Ruse Agricultural High School in Sydney, graduating in 1977.

He would have been in the same year with some of my over achieving classmates from primary school.

I understand that JRAHS is an excellent school but is there any snob factor about eastern suburbs folk attending a HS in western Sydney?

ABC just announces that the turn-out in Pennsylvania could top 80%. The average turnout for recent US federal elections has been around 55%.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

I’m sorry I asked.

Sorry, I have plenty on at work to distract me for the rest of the morning.

Not me. Boss decided to do the interviews herself. Suits me just fine :)

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

>> Green emigrated to Australia with his family in 1964. He attended James Ruse Agricultural High School in Sydney, graduating in 1977.

He would have been in the same year with some of my over achieving classmates from primary school.

I understand that JRAHS is an excellent school but is there any snob factor about eastern suburbs folk attending a HS in western Sydney?

If it were up to me I wouldn’t have gone to a selective school. I was faulty and needed to become a lady. AFAIK James Ruse is still the high school for maths nerds.

According to the ABC, one dead and two critically injured in the Azusa shooting in California. Local police say the shooter (apparently female) targeted local habitations, not the polling place. The suspect has not been apprehended.

Texas is leaning blue…

I wonder where DV is. I thought he’d be all over this thread today.

Witty Rejoinder said:

I wonder where DV is. I thought he’d be all over this thread today.

He’s probably in some specialised US election forum.

Witty Rejoinder said:

I wonder where DV is. I thought he’d be all over this thread today.

perhaps he is working?

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I wonder where DV is. I thought he’d be all over this thread today.

perhaps he is working?

He works from home and usually lurks I think.

I can confirm that The Lizard People, under instruction by Trump, have kidnapped DV.

He’s probably napping.

Divine Angel said:

I can confirm that The Lizard People, under instruction by Trump, have kidnapped DV.

I think they prefer to be called Reptilians.

kii said:

He’s probably napping.

kid napped. he’s napping with his kids?

kii said:

He’s probably napping.

Or outside chasing DV Junior away from bins.

perhaps he’s seeing the specialist about his arm

It sure does drag on this US election, makes our Federal election look very low key.

The US needs 6 month elections, a year is too long

Each Party needs to run two other candidates longer until the last week

No mud throwing after that, all policies need to be tabled

one of my facebookers in Ohio says that Foxtv says Trump is ahead by lots. They are cheering it on like football match.

sarahs mum said:

one of my facebookers in Ohio says that Foxtv says Trump is ahead by lots. They are cheering it on like football match.

staying out of that..

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I wonder where DV is. I thought he’d be all over this thread today.

perhaps he is working?

He works from home and usually lurks I think.

He’s following Martin Bush on facebook.

sarahs mum said:

He’s following Martin Bush on facebook.

Okay.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

He’s following Martin Bush on facebook.

Okay.

Who is Martin Bush?

ABC
3 mins ·
Donald Trump is leading Hillary Clinton by 32 Electoral College votes, according to media reports, with the Republicans also expected to retain control of the US House of Representatives.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

He’s following Martin Bush on facebook.

Okay.

Who is Martin Bush?

I’m guessing Martin B

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

He’s following Martin Bush on facebook.

Okay.

Who is Martin Bush?

Good Martin.

Trump is ahead in Michigan. This is unexpected. Looks like it will be a nail-biter.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Okay.

Who is Martin Bush?

I’m guessing Martin B

Ahhh.

Witty Rejoinder said:

kii said:

He’s probably napping.

Or outside chasing DV Junior away from bins.

We call him the Little Ibis

But fuck …

If HDRC does not win Virginia then she has a somewhat narrow path to victory. It will also represent a massive polling failure. The polls indicated she was going to win Virginia by 6%. No one was even talking about it being at risk.

Trump FTW eh

dv said:

But fuck …

If HDRC does not win Virginia then she has a somewhat narrow path to victory. It will also represent a massive polling failure. The polls indicated she was going to win Virginia by 6%. No one was even talking about it being at risk.

I think the whole election is a failure, they need to start again.

they are saying 15% of voters turned out for the first time.

such a large number of new voters it would be difficult for the pollsters to call it correctly.

CrazyNeutrino said:

I think the whole election is a failure, they need to start again.

Why is the election a failure? Just because the candidate you support losers isn’t the correct answer.

It’s going to come down to Florida, again.

starts digging more tank traps

Well I’m not going to let it spoil my day, whatever happens. If Hillary wins, all well & good, if Trump sneaks in, it’ll just mean a media blackout in this household for the next five years.

Peak Warming Man said:

It’s going to come down to Florida, again.

starts digging more tank traps

s’ok, we’ve sold out to the Chinamen anyway…

Check yourself before you wreck yourself..

Dropbear said:

Check yourself before you wreck yourself..

Having two eyes that look like genitals would wreak anyone.

Dropbear said:

Check yourself before you wreck yourself..

The rise of The Empire can be blamed on him

Aaargh :(

I live amongst these fuckheads!!!!

Cymek said:

Dropbear said:

Check yourself before you wreck yourself..

!https://usatcollege.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cheerfulhugedutchsmoushond.gif?w=1000

The rise of The Empire can be blamed on him

Senator Binks for President!

Jesus… Michigan too close to call. Been 28 years since Michigan went Republican. If Trump wins there it is over. That is a massive chunk of votes.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/

538 saying there is a 55% chance that Trump wins.

Fuck me.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Dropbear said:

Check yourself before you wreck yourself..

!https://usatcollege.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/cheerfulhugedutchsmoushond.gif?w=1000

The rise of The Empire can be blamed on him

Senator Binks for President!

This is literally happening ..

sibeen said:

Fuck me.

We’re all doomed anyway, why not…

(ps: I’m going in dry)

If Trump wins, I will stop going to news sites.

There’s going to be a lot of celebrities going into rehab.

Are they sure he was born in the USA?

CrazyNeutrino said:

!https://i.imgflip.com/1dsp2b.jpg

Probably a good thing really.

Anthony Green has Trump on 274.

ASX down 4%/

Ha, with all the vitriol not everyone was telling pollsters the truth, as I said, what they say and what happens in the privacy of a poll booth…

so so funny…

it’s like brexit all over again…

CNN has predicted that Clinton will win California…news at 11.

AwesomeO said:

Ha, with all the vitriol not everyone was telling pollsters the truth, as I said, what they say and what happens in the privacy of a poll booth…

I think studies have shown that is not the case. I think it’s more likely that it is the polling that is wrong.

Depending on the outcome shares in concrete will drop very low or go very high

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

Ha, with all the vitriol not everyone was telling pollsters the truth, as I said, what they say and what happens in the privacy of a poll booth…

I think studies have shown that is not the case. I think it’s more likely that it is the polling that is wrong.

Sorry that might not have been clear. What I am saying is that people are telling pollsters the truth but it is instead that the assumptions the pollsters use to extrapolate for the general population are flawed. In particular I think the end of the landline makes it difficult to get an accurate survey of voting intentions.

Anthony Green has call North Carolina. I’m very close to calling it for Trump.

lock her up lock her up …

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

Ha, with all the vitriol not everyone was telling pollsters the truth, as I said, what they say and what happens in the privacy of a poll booth…

I think studies have shown that is not the case. I think it’s more likely that it is the polling that is wrong.

That is what I said.

diddly-squat said:

so so funny…

it’s like brexit all over again…

Yup, gonna be a lot of soul searching over this one. And a lot of embarrassed talking heads.

AwesomeO said:

diddly-squat said:

so so funny…

it’s like brexit all over again…

Yup, gonna be a lot of soul searching over this one. And a lot of embarrassed talking heads.

yep… and a whole bunch of people that said they were going to leave, not leaving…

diddly-squat said:

AwesomeO said:

diddly-squat said:

so so funny…

it’s like brexit all over again…

Yup, gonna be a lot of soul searching over this one. And a lot of embarrassed talking heads.

yep… and a whole bunch of people that said they were going to leave, not leaving…

kii still has a bed at your house though ?

The most hilarious thing is that the GOP will have total government control and will be able to execute their policy agenda at will…

roffle roffle roffle…

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

AwesomeO said:

Yup, gonna be a lot of soul searching over this one. And a lot of embarrassed talking heads.

yep… and a whole bunch of people that said they were going to leave, not leaving…

kii still has a bed at your house though ?

we keep wizarding folk under the stairs here…

diddly-squat said:

The most hilarious thing is that the GOP will have total government control and will be able to execute their policy agenda at will…

roffle roffle roffle…

It’ll be the USA from the 50s.

Cymek said:

kii still has a bed at your house though ?

Hah. That’s what I was gonna say.

Well now I am annoyed. It’s cut into Judge Judy. I only came in for that.

diddly-squat said:

The most hilarious thing is that the GOP will have total government control and will be able to execute their policy agenda at will…

roffle roffle roffle…

Be interesting to see what Trump’s actual economic policy will turn out to be, particularly with regards to free trade versus protectionism. He might shake up the global economy just a little bit if he moves away from free trade.

diddly-squat said:

The most hilarious thing is that the GOP will have total government control and will be able to execute their policy agenda at will…

roffle roffle roffle…

May you live in interesting times.

AwesomeO said:

Well now I am annoyed. It’s cut into Judge Judy. I only came in for that.

Annoyed about USA?

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

The most hilarious thing is that the GOP will have total government control and will be able to execute their policy agenda at will…

roffle roffle roffle…

Be interesting to see what Trump’s actual economic policy will turn out to be, particularly with regards to free trade versus protectionism. He might shake up the global economy just a little bit if he moves away from free trade.

it doesn’t have to be ‘his’ policy… the party will fill in the blanks on his policy agenda on his behalf…

party_pants said:

Be interesting to see what Trump’s actual economic policy will turn out to be, particularly with regards to free trade versus protectionism. He might shake up the global economy just a little bit if he moves away from free trade.

Yeah. That is my greatest worry.

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

The most hilarious thing is that the GOP will have total government control and will be able to execute their policy agenda at will…

roffle roffle roffle…

Be interesting to see what Trump’s actual economic policy will turn out to be, particularly with regards to free trade versus protectionism. He might shake up the global economy just a little bit if he moves away from free trade.

it doesn’t have to be ‘his’ policy… the party will fill in the blanks on his policy agenda on his behalf…

The party’s policies and Trump’s rhetoric are contradictory. The only way to “stop the jobs leaving America” is to reverse the path towards more free trade and adopt protectionism. Which is the opposite of the usual right-wing thinking.

Michael V said:

AwesomeO said:

Well now I am annoyed. It’s cut into Judge Judy. I only came in for that.

Annoyed about USA?

Annoyed at Channel 10. But this is amusing as well. Talking head is at a location saying Hilary is due out for a speech and speculating if it is a concession speech.

I think one of the factors that hasn’t really been spoken about is probably the fact that Hillary is a woman… an the good boys probably aren’t as ready to embrace female political rule as we thought they were…

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

Be interesting to see what Trump’s actual economic policy will turn out to be, particularly with regards to free trade versus protectionism. He might shake up the global economy just a little bit if he moves away from free trade.

it doesn’t have to be ‘his’ policy… the party will fill in the blanks on his policy agenda on his behalf…

The party’s policies and Trump’s rhetoric are contradictory. The only way to “stop the jobs leaving America” is to reverse the path towards more free trade and adopt protectionism. Which is the opposite of the usual right-wing thinking.

I think you will find that the policy agenda spoken about and the policy agenda pursued will be two very different things…

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Be interesting to see what Trump’s actual economic policy will turn out to be, particularly with regards to free trade versus protectionism. He might shake up the global economy just a little bit if he moves away from free trade.

Yeah. That is my greatest worry.

I’m not all that worried about it, just that it will take a decade or so before the benefits are felt. There will be disruption and decline for the short term before things adjust.

the general feeling is that it’s been disaffected democrats that have swung this thing…

I’m starting a sweep on how long until the impeachment.

party_pants said:

I’m not all that worried about it, just that it will take a decade or so before the benefits are felt. There will be disruption and decline for the short term before things adjust.

Benefits of protectionism?

diddly-squat said:

I think one of the factors that hasn’t really been spoken about is probably the fact that Hillary is a woman… an the good boys probably aren’t as ready to embrace female political rule as we thought they were…

They’d rather have a black man than a white woman .

AwesomeO said:

Michael V said:

AwesomeO said:

Well now I am annoyed. It’s cut into Judge Judy. I only came in for that.

Annoyed about USA?

Annoyed at Channel 10. But this is amusing as well. Talking head is at a location saying Hilary is due out for a speech and speculating if it is a concession speech.

Ah, I see.

:)

Dropbear said:

I’m starting a sweep on how long until the impeachment.

trump is already peach

Dropbear said:

They’d rather have a black man than a white woman .

Bros before hoes…

Dropbear said:

diddly-squat said:

I think one of the factors that hasn’t really been spoken about is probably the fact that Hillary is a woman… an the good boys probably aren’t as ready to embrace female political rule as we thought they were…

They’d rather have a black man than a white woman .

pretty sure I’ve seen that video

Dropbear said:

I’m starting a sweep on how long until the impeachment.

attempted/successful assassination here.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/

538 has it Trump 59% chance of winning.

FUCK ME

I get distracted trying fucking Windows 10 drivers and look over there and my Yank FITHometer is flashing red!

Michigan is getting more favourable for Clinton now and some boffinators are saying there are enough Dem heavy areas to carry Clinton there.

But not Wisconsin. That’s a real kick in the nards.

She’ll need Arizona.

ChrispenEvan said:

Dropbear said:

I’m starting a sweep on how long until the impeachment.

attempted/successful assassination here.

The US supreme court is headed WAY right .. and those cunts are there for life …

THAT is the actual worst result of this whole debacle.

Trump wants to impose term limits on those in congress. Be interesting to see how that goes down on the hill.

Dropbear said:

ChrispenEvan said:

Dropbear said:

I’m starting a sweep on how long until the impeachment.

attempted/successful assassination here.

The US supreme court is headed WAY right .. and those cunts are there for life …

THAT is the actual worst result of this whole debacle.

Yep. The Republicans are going to retain the Senate by 51-49 at least.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/

538; Trump 78%, Clinton 20%.

sibeen said:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/

538; Trump 78%, Clinton 20%.

rofl

So what will a united congress and presidency do straight away?

• Overturn Obamacare
• appoint a conservative JOTSC

What else?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Trump wants to impose term limits on those in congress. Be interesting to see how that goes down on the hill.

Probably impossible. I have read most of Woodwards books and it seems to be that it is impossible to legislate or change anything radically without everyone being on board. Too many checks and balances. Even if the prez wants to do something congress vetoes or stops funding.

Ian said:

FUCK ME

I get distracted trying fucking Windows 10 drivers and look over there and my Yank FITHometer is flashing red!

Yeah me too. Windows 10 just decided to run an update :(

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

it doesn’t have to be ‘his’ policy… the party will fill in the blanks on his policy agenda on his behalf…

The party’s policies and Trump’s rhetoric are contradictory. The only way to “stop the jobs leaving America” is to reverse the path towards more free trade and adopt protectionism. Which is the opposite of the usual right-wing thinking.

I think you will find that the policy agenda spoken about and the policy agenda pursued will be two very different things…

this is why I think it will be interesting to find out.

party_pants said:

Ian said:

FUCK ME

I get distracted trying fucking Windows 10 drivers and look over there and my Yank FITHometer is flashing red!

Yeah me too. Windows 10 just decided to run an update :(

It’s a conspiracy.

Witty Rejoinder said:

So what will a united congress and presidency do straight away?

• Overturn Obamacare
• appoint a conservative JOTSC

What else?

Invade Poland.

Maybe like Brexit the chattering classes with agitate for another vote till the morons get it right.

I think I might shut down for a few years …

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/

538.

Trump 84%, Clinton 14%.

dv said:

I think I might shut down for a few years …

I think I might do a black dog series.

I am even more gorbleschmitten than when howard got in the last time around..

Only possibly way now is if Michigan and Arizona go blue and I am not seeing that…

I wonder if Trump is now thinking…WTF?

sibeen said:

I wonder if Trump Mr Garrison is now thinking…WTF?

dv said:

Only possibly way now is if Michigan and Arizona go blue and I am not seeing that…

Yeah, it’s not quite over, A Green has it 217 to 197 so there is still an outside chance that we can save Poland.

I’ve been disappointed by election results but this is fucking amazing.

Trump ahead in Pennsylvania.

sibeen said:

Trump ahead in Pennsylvania.

That will be the nail in the coffin.

dv said:

I’ve been disappointed by election results but this is fucking amazing.

One of my supervisors said to me once..Ros you aren’t anxiety ridden and insane. You’re critically sane. I feel critically sane at the moment. Wtf?

sigh

sibeen said:

I wonder if Trump is now thinking…WTF?

He has the same expression on his face that Osama did when the first tower came down.

Hilary be praying to the God of hanging chads.

I mean this isn’t just some game and my favourite team lost. Tens of millions of people are going to lose health coverage: in the USA that basically means if you are poor and gravely Ill, you’re gonna die. Russia will know NATO is pus now. Action on climate change will cease. College funding plans are cancelled. Minimum wage increases, cancelled. The new Supreme Court justices will overturn abortion rights and campaign finance restrictions, rule even more local gun control unconstitutional. Trade wars are likely. The high end tax cuts will add trillions to the deficit. Basically all progress from the last 8 years is probably gone and all of the progress on the Democrat side won’t happen. It is a real and serious development quite beyond the mere fact of Trump’s unsuitability.

LOL, the ol leaving the country meme on 10.

AwesomeO said:

LOL, the ol leaving the country meme on 10.

Ten network? Who?

Witty Rejoinder said:

AwesomeO said:

LOL, the ol leaving the country meme on 10.

Ten network? Who?

Talking head from America reporting speaking to democrat voters.

dv said:

I mean this isn’t just some game and my favourite team lost. Tens of millions of people are going to lose health coverage: in the USA that basically means if you are poor and gravely Ill, you’re gonna die. Russia will know NATO is pus now. Action on climate change will cease. College funding plans are cancelled. Minimum wage increases, cancelled. The new Supreme Court justices will overturn abortion rights and campaign finance restrictions, rule even more local gun control unconstitutional. Trade wars are likely. The high end tax cuts will add trillions to the deficit. Basically all progress from the last 8 years is probably gone and all of the progress on the Democrat side won’t happen. It is a real and serious development quite beyond the mere fact of Trump’s unsuitability.

Well, I wasn’t planning on moving there any time soon anyway.

dv said:

Only possibly way now is if Michigan and Arizona go blue and I am not seeing that…

has DV called the election?

MAYBE

dv said:

I mean this isn’t just some game and my favourite team lost. Tens of millions of people are going to lose health coverage: in the USA that basically means if you are poor and gravely Ill, you’re gonna die. Russia will know NATO is pus now. Action on climate change will cease. College funding plans are cancelled. Minimum wage increases, cancelled. The new Supreme Court justices will overturn abortion rights and campaign finance restrictions, rule even more local gun control unconstitutional. Trade wars are likely. The high end tax cuts will add trillions to the deficit. Basically all progress from the last 8 years is probably gone and all of the progress on the Democrat side won’t happen. It is a real and serious development quite beyond the mere fact of Trump’s unsuitability.

Plus if the USA does the above other nations will say will why shouldn’t we do the same.

I wonder how the late night talk show hosts are going to play this?

party_pants said:

dv said:

I mean this isn’t just some game and my favourite team lost. Tens of millions of people are going to lose health coverage: in the USA that basically means if you are poor and gravely Ill, you’re gonna die. Russia will know NATO is pus now. Action on climate change will cease. College funding plans are cancelled. Minimum wage increases, cancelled. The new Supreme Court justices will overturn abortion rights and campaign finance restrictions, rule even more local gun control unconstitutional. Trade wars are likely. The high end tax cuts will add trillions to the deficit. Basically all progress from the last 8 years is probably gone and all of the progress on the Democrat side won’t happen. It is a real and serious development quite beyond the mere fact of Trump’s unsuitability.

Well, I wasn’t planning on moving there any time soon anyway.

Where? To a planet where what the USA does affects the whole world? Like Earth?

Peak Warming Man said:

I wonder how the late night talk show hosts are going to play this?

A lot of political pundits would be better off saying nothing, they have got it all wrong so far.

It will funny if Mexican border control has to turn back a mass invasion of US citizens fleeing

Cymek said:

It will funny if Mexican border control has to turn back a mass invasion of US citizens fleeing

:)

The false trumpet concealing madness will cause Byzantium to change its laws. From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.

The trumpet shakes with great discord. An agreement broken: lifting the face to heaven: the bloody mouth will swim with blood; the face anointed with milk and honey lies on the ground.

Nostradamus, 16th Century

NATE SILVER 12:09 AM
While the third-party vote wasn’t all that high tonight overall, an exception came among younger voters. According to the national exit poll, 9 percent of voters ages 18 to 29 went for third parties, as did 8 percent of voters ages 30 to 44.

dv said:

NATE SILVER 12:09 AM
While the third-party vote wasn’t all that high tonight overall, an exception came among younger voters. According to the national exit poll, 9 percent of voters ages 18 to 29 went for third parties, as did 8 percent of voters ages 30 to 44.

Well, ain’t they dickheads.

If he wins and no one comes back from the future to stop him it kind of proves backwards time travel isn’t possible

Funnily enough exit polls indicate 29% of Latinos voted for Trump which is more than Romney got.

dv said:

Funnily enough exit polls indicate 29% of Latinos voted for Trump which is more than Romney got.

Not all Latinos are illegal immigrants.

dv said:

NATE SILVER 12:09 AM
While the third-party vote wasn’t all that high tonight overall, an exception came among younger voters. According to the national exit poll, 9 percent of voters ages 18 to 29 went for third parties, as did 8 percent of voters ages 30 to 44.

and there it is… at least in a system with preferential voting you can protest and still get a reasonable outcome… there it’s just vote for old mate and thanks very much for comming

Cymek said:

If he wins and no one comes back from the future to stop him it kind of proves backwards time travel isn’t possible

or, that is was the best decision the USA ever made…

It’s all about infrastructure, the wall will be like the Hoover dam.

sibeen said:

dv said:

NATE SILVER 12:09 AM
While the third-party vote wasn’t all that high tonight overall, an exception came among younger voters. According to the national exit poll, 9 percent of voters ages 18 to 29 went for third parties, as did 8 percent of voters ages 30 to 44.

Well, ain’t they dickheads.

Who gave young people the vote??

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

If he wins and no one comes back from the future to stop him it kind of proves backwards time travel isn’t possible

or, that is was the best decision the USA ever made…

Shut up you

ABC News 24 says Trump won the popular vote by 1%.

Hillary concede Goddammit… I have stuff to do today!

Breaking: “Orange is new the black”

Dropbear said:

Breaking: “Orange is new the black”

ha

Even if it turns dramatically and Clinton wins, this is still an excellent result.

Civilised revolution. Revolution by democratic vote; what an extraordinarily positive thing this is.

I wonder if the “political elites” are getting the message yet. They misjudged Brexit, and now they’ve misjudged Trump. More and more people are getting tired of their two-faced, condescending, corrupt, self serving bullshit. They better pay attention, because the civility will only stretch so far and when it snaps, it’ll be guns and guillotines…

Congratulations to the people of the USA for not taking the easy way.

Principles do matter, and no-one shall take away our liberty.

So it doesn’t look like humanity has yet passed The Great Filter

Witty Rejoinder said:

ABC News 24 says Trump won the popular vote by 1%.

538 projects Clinton will win the popular vote by 1.1%

esselte said:

Even if it turns dramatically and Clinton wins, this is still an excellent result.

Civilised revolution. Revolution by democratic vote; what an extraordinarily positive thing this is.

I wonder if the “political elites” are getting the message yet. They misjudged Brexit, and now they’ve misjudged Trump. More and more people are getting tired of their two-faced, condescending, corrupt, self serving bullshit. They better pay attention, because the civility will only stretch so far and when it snaps, it’ll be guns and guillotines…

Congratulations to the people of the USA for not taking the easy way.

Principles do matter, and no-one shall take away our liberty.

If Trump wins it will be the biggest win for America’s elites since 1984.

Talcum must rush through legislation to strengthen our borders against waves of Merican immigrants.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

ABC News 24 says Trump won the popular vote by 1%.

538 projects Clinton will win the popular vote by 1.1%

It was on a ticker. Maybe i misread it.

esselte said:

Even if it turns dramatically and Clinton wins, this is still an excellent result.

Civilised revolution. Revolution by democratic vote; what an extraordinarily positive thing this is.

I wonder if the “political elites” are getting the message yet. They misjudged Brexit, and now they’ve misjudged Trump. More and more people are getting tired of their two-faced, condescending, corrupt, self serving bullshit. They better pay attention, because the civility will only stretch so far and when it snaps, it’ll be guns and guillotines…

Congratulations to the people of the USA for not taking the easy way.

Principles do matter, and no-one shall take away our liberty.

unfortunately yes, a revolution.

I think we should all remember what the great warrior-poet Ice Cube once said

“If the day does not require an AK, it is good”

“If Trump wins it will be the biggest win for America’s elites since 1984.”

I disagree entirely. Trump is far from the ideal candidate, but if you think he has anything other than pariah status amongst his former friends, the elite… well time will tell I guess.

A Clinton win will be the biggest win for America’s elites, since…uhh…. Animal Farm.

Trumpet is part of the Elite anyway, all this talk of protesting against he establishment, Trump is part of it.

esselte said:

“If Trump wins it will be the biggest win for America’s elites since 1984.”

I disagree entirely. Trump is far from the ideal candidate, but if you think he has anything other than pariah status amongst his former friends, the elite… well time will tell I guess.

A Clinton win will be the biggest win for America’s elites, since…uhh…. Animal Farm.

America’s elites are billionaire oligarchs who gained the majority of the benefits of the recovery. This election means they’ll get a massive tax cut and freedom to invest in the political process without limit.

esselte said:

“If Trump wins it will be the biggest win for America’s elites since 1984.”

I disagree entirely. Trump is far from the ideal candidate, but if you think he has anything other than pariah status amongst his former friends, the elite… well time will tell I guess.

A Clinton win will be the biggest win for America’s elites, since…uhh…. Animal Farm.

I wonder if anyone is just waiting for the results to prepare an invasion of a neighbouring state

CrazyNeutrino said:

Trumpet is part of the Elite anyway, all this talk of protesting against he establishment, Trump is part of it.

He is a money whore, I bet most of what he proposes feathers the nests of the already rich and powerful