We were wrong about consciousness disappearing in dreamless sleep, say scientists

When it comes to dreamlessness, conventional wisdom states that consciousness disappears when we fall into a deep, dreamless sleep.

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CrazyNeutrino said:

We were wrong about consciousness disappearing in dreamless sleep, say scientists

When it comes to dreamlessness, conventional wisdom states that consciousness disappears when we fall into a deep, dreamless sleep.

More…

Who was wrong?

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

We were wrong about consciousness disappearing in dreamless sleep, say scientists

When it comes to dreamlessness, conventional wisdom states that consciousness disappears when we fall into a deep, dreamless sleep.

More…

Who was wrong?

University of British Columbia in Canada

University of California, Santa Cruz

Paper

http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/abstract/S1364-6613(16)30152-8?_returnURL=http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1364661316301528?showall=true

FAQ on Dreams

http://www2.ucsc.edu/dreams/FAQ/

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

We were wrong about consciousness disappearing in dreamless sleep, say scientists

When it comes to dreamlessness, conventional wisdom states that consciousness disappears when we fall into a deep, dreamless sleep.

More…

Who was wrong?

University of British Columbia in Canada

University of California, Santa Cruz

Paper

http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/abstract/S1364-6613(16)30152-8?_returnURL=http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1364661316301528?showall=true

hmmm.

http://sci-hub.cc/10.1016/j.tics.2016.09.006

full paper

after reading that article you may not be conscious while wakeful.

in a related article

Insight into the Seat of Human Consciousness
http://www.bidmc.org/News/PRLandingPage/2016/November/Fox-Consciousness.aspx

the page is delivering the we contagion, and it also has that nasty enthusiasm to eliminate mysteries.

it should come with a health warning.

transition said:

after reading that article you may not be conscious while wakeful.

Is it possible to speed up thinking and dreaming, speed up consciousness but keep talking at a normal speed

and it also has that nasty enthusiasm to eliminate mysteries.

damn science doing shit like that. lets remain ignorant.

transition said:

the page is delivering the we contagion, and it also has that nasty enthusiasm to eliminate mysteries.

it should come with a health warning.

They usually work in groups, hence the We, their colleagues

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

after reading that article you may not be conscious while wakeful.

Is it possible to speed up thinking and dreaming, speed up consciousness but keep talking at a normal speed

I like mine just like it is thanx.

ChrispenEvan said:

and it also has that nasty enthusiasm to eliminate mysteries.

damn science doing shit like that. lets remain ignorant.

you’ve missed the point

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

and it also has that nasty enthusiasm to eliminate mysteries.

damn science doing shit like that. lets remain ignorant.

you’ve missed the point

never realised your posts had a point.

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

and it also has that nasty enthusiasm to eliminate mysteries.

damn science doing shit like that. lets remain ignorant.

you’ve missed the point

never realised your posts had a point.

I save myself for you, for moments like this

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

you’ve missed the point

never realised your posts had a point.

I save myself for you, for moments like this

don’t bother, i rarely read your posts.

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

and it also has that nasty enthusiasm to eliminate mysteries.

damn science doing shit like that. lets remain ignorant.

you’ve missed the point

never realised your posts had a point.

People usually connect things together, almost like neural networks, but larger and different

ChrispenEvan said:

transition said:

ChrispenEvan said:

never realised your posts had a point.

I save myself for you, for moments like this

don’t bother, i rarely read your posts.

not quite rarely enough

>People usually connect things together, almost like neural networks, but larger and different

people do lots of things, sometimes individuals resist generalizations too.

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

after reading that article you may not be conscious while wakeful.

Is it possible to speed up thinking and dreaming, speed up consciousness but keep talking at a normal speed

For me, talking and thinking are mutually exclusive, but I have met people who can think while they’re talking. So it may be possible for them.

Come to think of it. For me, listening and thinking go together. But perhaps, for people who can think while they’re talking, they can’t think and listen at the same time.

ChrispenEvan said:

http://sci-hub.cc/10.1016/j.tics.2016.09.006

full paper

of clickjacking… yeah

Haven’t yet read the article, but it seems to me that if they are saying that people are (or can be) conscious during dreamless sleep, they must be using the word “conscious” to mean something totally different to what I understand the word to mean.

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

We were wrong about consciousness disappearing in dreamless sleep, say scientists

When it comes to dreamlessness, conventional wisdom states that consciousness disappears when we fall into a deep, dreamless sleep.

More…

Who was wrong?

There is a single point to the article, and it’s just conjecture not proven fact.

What the article does not dispute, and nobody disputes, is that:
1. Auditory processing continues during dreamless sleep.
2. People can sleepwalk during dreamless sleep.
3. Dreamless sleep is used for thinking involving memory processing and even imagery that is not associated with dreams.

What the article conjectures is that while deep sleep is occurring, the person asleep is consciously aware that they are asleep. This is pure conjecture because “no current evidence shows that people can become aware of being asleep when they are not dreaming”. It likens this type of dreamless sleep to meditation.

Another thrust of the article is that dreamless sleep may be divided time-wise into multiple different types of dreamless sleep. Again, this is conjecture.

All this brings to mind an earlier study showing that the brain is hyperactive during anaesthesia.