Early Rome?
Elizabethan England?
A settler in early Australia perhaps?

Probably none but I would like to visit.

Depends – with the technology of the day or with modern technology back then?

During the time of the Spanish conquest of the Americas would be one. Except I’d probably die horribly of disease.
Or would like to have been a Phoenician sea-farer and trader. But I probably would have drowned in a storm.

Probably when life first began

Take some micro electron recording equipment for the first moment

Wouldn’t have minded being on one of Cooks cruises.

Dinosaur time, early formation of the Earth assuming we could breath the air

Peak Warming Man said:

Wouldn’t have minded being on one of Cooks cruises.

The Hawaiian trip?

2011 and tell Obama not to antagonist Trump at the press dinner.

Cymek said:

Dinosaur time, early formation of the Earth assuming we could breath the air

Too lonely.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Probably when life first began

Take some micro electron recording equipment for the first moment

Too lonely.

antagonise…..

Peak Warming Man said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Probably when life first began

Take some micro electron recording equipment for the first moment

Too lonely.

Take some people with you then?

Who would you take?

kii said:

antagonise…..

He is an antagonist.

kii said:

2011 and tell Obama not to antagonist Trump at the press dinner.

You are living in a tiny political envelope.

Peak Warming Man said:

kii said:

2011 and tell Obama not to antagonist Trump at the press dinner.

You are living in a tiny political envelope.

Actually I felt antagonized by one years worth of Trumps Media Appearances

which has caused emotional disturbance

Can I sue him or the American Government?

$890 million dollars compensation should cover me.

Peak Warming Man said:

kii said:

2011 and tell Obama not to antagonist Trump at the press dinner.

You are living in a tiny political envelope.

what we should have done is go back to 2007 and convince Trump to run then.. that way his two terms would be just about over by now…

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

kii said:

2011 and tell Obama not to antagonist Trump at the press dinner.

You are living in a tiny political envelope.

Actually I felt antagonized by one years worth of Trumps Media Appearances

which has caused emotional disturbance

Can I sue him or the American Government?

$890 million dollars compensation should cover me.

It’s a pity you can’t sue governments for lies, misdeeds and corruption.

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

kii said:

2011 and tell Obama not to antagonist Trump at the press dinner.

You are living in a tiny political envelope.

what we should have done is go back to 2007 and convince Trump to run then.. that way his two terms would be just about over by now…

Or we are in some sort of post apocalypse hell, were the toupee’d rule over the real haired

I think the only way the Exclusive Brethren can get the respect of the left is if they start decapitating people, hang gays, stone adulterers and mutilate their young girls.

Damn, the thread is shot anyway.

What about living when The bible and Koran were made up and put some of sort of preface stating the people in these stories are fictional and shouldn’t be taken seriously

I’m like dv, a visit to many different times in a Tardis would suffice.

But most interesting would probably be prehistoric times, rather than historic times.

I would like to have grown up in the second half of the 20th Century, and hopefully have made it into the early years of the 21st Century.

I think those were really interesting times, quite unlike any before them.

Cymek said:

What about living when The bible and Koran were made up and put some of sort of preface stating the people in these stories are fictional and shouldn’t be taken seriously

You’d need a truly biblical life-span to be there for both of them.

Peak Warming Man said:

I think the only way the Exclusive Brethren can get the respect of the left is if they start decapitating people, hang gays, stone adulterers and mutilate their young girls.

I think that’s a very strange thing to think.

The Rev Dodgson said:

I would like to have grown up in the second half of the 20th Century, and hopefully have made it into the early years of the 21st Century.

I think those were really interesting times, quite unlike any before them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah

:)

The Rev Dodgson said:

I would like to have grown up in the second half of the 20th Century, and hopefully have made it into the early years of the 21st Century.

I think those were really interesting times, quite unlike any before them.

I would just prefer to have lived most of my adult life twenty years earlier than I did.. that way I could have taken advantage of the low relative housing buy-in cost and massive capital growth in housing and used them to leverage advantage from the massive tax offsets that still exist now…

those were the days my friends…

dv said:

Probably none but I would like to visit.

X two for me too.

Cymek said:

What about living when The bible and Koran were made up and put some of sort of preface stating the people in these stories are fictional and shouldn’t be taken seriously

+1

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

What about living when The bible and Koran were made up and put some of sort of preface stating the people in these stories are fictional and shouldn’t be taken seriously

+1

That wouldn’t work as way too many people totally believe in them.
For me it would be the Austro-Hungarian Empire. (If I was rich of course)

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I would like to have grown up in the second half of the 20th Century, and hopefully have made it into the early years of the 21st Century.

I think those were really interesting times, quite unlike any before them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah

:)

Thrusts hand energetically in the air “Sir! sir! sir! can I travel forward in time please?

bob(from black rock) said:

Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I would like to have grown up in the second half of the 20th Century, and hopefully have made it into the early years of the 21st Century.

I think those were really interesting times, quite unlike any before them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah

:)

Thrusts hand energetically in the air “Sir! sir! sir! can I travel forward in time please?

Try avoiding it.

Tamb said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

What about living when The bible and Koran were made up and put some of sort of preface stating the people in these stories are fictional and shouldn’t be taken seriously

+1

That wouldn’t work as way too many people totally believe in them.
For me it would be the Austro-Hungarian Empire. (If I was rich of course)

I would put the Bible and Koran Books on the Fiction stands as Fantasy

What would these books be classified today as?

Science Fantasy?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Tamb said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

+1

That wouldn’t work as way too many people totally believe in them.
For me it would be the Austro-Hungarian Empire. (If I was rich of course)

I would put the Bible and Koran Books on the Fiction stands as Fantasy

What would these books be classified today as?

Science Fantasy?

Horror.

Thing is, if I were born and raised in another time, I wouldn’t be me, by any meaningful standard. I wouldn’t be the person answering this question

dv said:

Thing is, if I were born and raised in another time, I wouldn’t be me, by any meaningful standard. I wouldn’t be the person answering this question

just pretend.

dv said:

Thing is, if I were born and raised in another time, I wouldn’t be me, by any meaningful standard. I wouldn’t be the person answering this question

And I would be about 120 years old.

dv said:

Thing is, if I were born and raised in another time, I wouldn’t be me, by any meaningful standard. I wouldn’t be the person answering this question

And the one born in a different time wouldn’t even have the benefit of knowing that if he were you and wanted to be a historical you, you would have chosen him.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Thing is, if I were born and raised in another time, I wouldn’t be me, by any meaningful standard. I wouldn’t be the person answering this question

And the one born in a different time wouldn’t even have the benefit of knowing that if he were you and wanted to be a historical you, you would have chosen him.

OK I’ll be Harry Flashman & then it won’t matter if I know/knew or not. Just being Flashy would be enough for three men.

If you are interested in Exclusive Brethren, have a read of Peter Flinn’s story:

http://www.cifs.org.au/brethrenstory.php

It’s the ninth one down that page.

oops, should have been in Chat.

The English Wikipedia alone has over 5,281,253 articles.

I tried to work out a while ago how much standard library space this would be equivalent to if it was put into a Britannica like format. I made it 7m x 7m approximately.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Thing is, if I were born and raised in another time, I wouldn’t be me, by any meaningful standard. I wouldn’t be the person answering this question

just pretend.

Okay then if we pretend that I could have existed in the past then much of the wonder would be lost on me. Being on Cook’s journey would not be as exciting for me as it would the rest of the crew because I already know what they will find.

Standing on the street when Kennedy’s motorcade goes past and yell out “Duck”

The year 2243. That world wide muslim caliphate sounds like awesome fun, for a male

Cymek said:

Standing on the street when Kennedy’s motorcade goes past and yell out “Duck”

Quack

i thought the exercise was you lived in that era you chose as is, not that you were who you are now going back in time. so the experiences would be new.

In the year 2525

Dropbear said:

Cymek said:

Standing on the street when Kennedy’s motorcade goes past and yell out “Duck”

Quack

Quack

dv said:

In the year 2525

if you’re still alive…

JudgeMental said:

Dropbear said:

Cymek said:

Standing on the street when Kennedy’s motorcade goes past and yell out “Duck”

Quack

Quack

That’s all the proof I need

JudgeMental said:

Dropbear said:

Quack

Quack

Quackery

Cymek said:

Standing on the street when Kennedy’s motorcade goes past and yell out “Duck”

Perhaps being upstairs in the Book Depository would have been more interesting.

(Sitting there, leafing through a magazine. Looks up as a man arrives.)

“Oh, hi, Lee Harvey – i’ve been expecting you. Now, just what the f**k do you think you’re doing, son?”

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I would like to have grown up in the second half of the 20th Century, and hopefully have made it into the early years of the 21st Century.

I think those were really interesting times, quite unlike any before them.

I would just prefer to have lived most of my adult life twenty years earlier than I did.. that way I could have taken advantage of the low relative housing buy-in cost and massive capital growth in housing and used them to leverage advantage from the massive tax offsets that still exist now…

those were the days my friends…

But you would have had to take the low wages and high cost of other stuff, too.

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I would like to have grown up in the second half of the 20th Century, and hopefully have made it into the early years of the 21st Century.

I think those were really interesting times, quite unlike any before them.

I would just prefer to have lived most of my adult life twenty years earlier than I did.. that way I could have taken advantage of the low relative housing buy-in cost and massive capital growth in housing and used them to leverage advantage from the massive tax offsets that still exist now…

those were the days my friends…

But you would have had to take the low wages and high cost of other stuff, too.

Yes.

I like living right now. It wasn’t too long ago that people thought the earth was the centre of the universe and dinosaur fossils had not yet been discovered. People were dying from simple ear infections and unnecessary travel was out of reach of those who were not wealthy. Further discoveries and progress will continue, but the era of cheap travel will surely be over soon.

Speedy said:

Further discoveries and progress will continue, but the era of cheap travel will surely be over soon.

What would cause the end of cheap travel?

Witty Rejoinder said:

Speedy said:

Further discoveries and progress will continue, but the era of cheap travel will surely be over soon.

What would cause the end of cheap travel?

Increase in fuel prices.

Speedy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Speedy said:

Further discoveries and progress will continue, but the era of cheap travel will surely be over soon.

What would cause the end of cheap travel?

Increase in fuel prices.

Speedy,

The price of a one way ticket to London in 1981 was $980. Petrol was around, or less than 35c per litre. A quick check just now gets you a one way ticket to London for $908, yet the price of petrol has at least quadrupled since then. Mind you, petrol rose from 10c per litre to 35c per litre over the previous 10 years.

An interesting link for you here

Woodie said:

Speedy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What would cause the end of cheap travel?

Increase in fuel prices.

Speedy,

The price of a one way ticket to London in 1981 was $980. Petrol was around, or less than 35c per litre. A quick check just now gets you a one way ticket to London for $908, yet the price of petrol has at least quadrupled since then. Mind you, petrol rose from 10c per litre to 35c per litre over the previous 10 years.

An interesting link for you here

Cars are very cheap now based on purchasing power per average monthly wage. And equipment and performance out the ying yang.

Woodie said:

Speedy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What would cause the end of cheap travel?

Increase in fuel prices.

Speedy,

The price of a one way ticket to London in 1981 was $980. Petrol was around, or less than 35c per litre. A quick check just now gets you a one way ticket to London for $908, yet the price of petrol has at least quadrupled since then. Mind you, petrol rose from 10c per litre to 35c per litre over the previous 10 years.

An interesting link for you here

In 1990/91 I was paying, or at least the company I worked for was paying, just north of a $1000 for a Melbourne – Darwin return flight. From memory it was $1104 if you flew with TAA, but if you flew with Ansett it was way cheaper at $1104.

Woodie said:

An interesting link for you here

a quote from that link “the return airfare was the equivalent of 130 weeks’ average salary. This was a fortune by anyone’s standards and equivalent today to $204,000 Australian dollars for the average Australian worker”

“AVERAGE” Australian worker? 130 weeks = $204,000?????? . That’s $81,600 per annum for the “average” Australian worker?

I remember when a plane trip was still a bit special. Not so much now.

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

An interesting link for you here

a quote from that link “the return airfare was the equivalent of 130 weeks’ average salary. This was a fortune by anyone’s standards and equivalent today to $204,000 Australian dollars for the average Australian worker”

“AVERAGE” Australian worker? 130 weeks = $204,000?????? . That’s $81,600 per annum for the “average” Australian worker?

It may be right? Normally the quoted average is the mean, whereas they may actually be quoting the average; and don’t forget 17% holiday loading and 11% super. it all adds up Mr W.

AwesomeO said:

I remember when a plane trip was still a bit special. Not so much now.

fuck I’ve had more flights than I care to remember

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

I remember when a plane trip was still a bit special. Not so much now.

fuck I’ve had more flights than I care to remember

I have had a lot, not so many as to be jaded though. I still find it astonishing. Then again, I still reckon a motel breakfast is the dogs bollocks. Apparently that’s sneer worthy, I love it. Cooked breakfast and travel.

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

I remember when a plane trip was still a bit special. Not so much now.

fuck I’ve had more flights than I care to remember

I have had a lot, not so many as to be jaded though. I still find it astonishing. Then again, I still reckon a motel breakfast is the dogs bollocks. Apparently that’s sneer worthy, I love it. Cooked breakfast and travel.

You and me.

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

fuck I’ve had more flights than I care to remember

I have had a lot, not so many as to be jaded though. I still find it astonishing. Then again, I still reckon a motel breakfast is the dogs bollocks. Apparently that’s sneer worthy, I love it. Cooked breakfast and travel.

You and me.

Jaysus….and me.

I love travelling and anytime that I don’t have to do the cooking.

kii said:

dv said:

AwesomeO said:

I have had a lot, not so many as to be jaded though. I still find it astonishing. Then again, I still reckon a motel breakfast is the dogs bollocks. Apparently that’s sneer worthy, I love it. Cooked breakfast and travel.

You and me.

Jaysus….and me.

I love travelling and anytime that I don’t have to do the cooking.

well I like cooking.

But there is something nice about a breakfast buffet.

If I did it every day I’d be dead in a month, though

dv said:

kii said:

dv said:

You and me.

Jaysus….and me.

I love travelling and anytime that I don’t have to do the cooking.

well I like cooking.

But there is something nice about a breakfast buffet.

If I did it every day I’d be dead in a month, though

I also like cooking, but the only time someone else does it is if we go out. I think my husband could live on sandwiches.

Peak Warming Man said:

Early Rome?
Elizabethan England?
A settler in early Australia perhaps?

As recently as the year 1900, the mean life expectancy in a city in Jamaica was four years, due mostly to mosquito-borne diseases. This wasn’t just child mortality, the life expectancy of those who made it to adulthood was just a further 25 years.

Think of Australia, it’s a great place to live because it doesn’t have any history. (PS, mollwollfumble is currently thinking of redefining the way “history” is told in such a way that the history of Australia becomes as rich and varied as that of any other country. But doing that will take some work.) We live in an incredibly peaceful period of time. There is said to be an old Chinese curse May you live in interesting times. ‘Uninteresting times’, of peace and tranquillity, are more life-enhancing than interesting ones, which from historical perspective usually include disorder and conflict.

There is a science fiction short story about a man who has invented a time machine that can only send people backwards in time with no hope of a return journey. Once he’s explained how recent sanitation and health care are, he can’t get any volunteers to travel back to any era of the past.

If I was to permanently travel to any era, it would have to be the future, not less than 2,000 years from now. Not necessarily on Earth.

That said, what period of historical time would I have most liked to visit for, say, a year?

I’d choose the middle of a stable empire, such as the Egyptian, Persian or Roman empires. Not the Greek or Babylonian or Chinese empires – too turbulent. But when? The old kingdom fourth dynasty is said to be the golden age of Egypt, but the building of the pyramids during the fourth dynasty drove the whole country into crushing poverty. The third dynasty is marked by short life expectancy, especially by the rulers of the dynasty.

The second dynasty ended in bloody civil war so avoid the final fifteen years. The Second Dynasty of ancient Egypt (c. 2890 – c. 2686 BC) is the latter of the two dynasties of the Egyptian Archaic Period, when the seat of government was centred at Thinis. Save for the time of its last ruler Khasekhemwy, it marks one of the most obscure periods in ancient Egyptian history.

So 2880 BC Thinis, Egypt would be my first choice for a one year visit.

Second choice for a one year visit would be ancient Alexandria at the time of the Library of Alexandria, in the Hellenistic period, somewhere between 150 and 50 BC.

I’d like to visit historical moments: who shot JFK, see the Pompeii destruction from a safe distance, find this Jesus dude a coupla thousand years ago, tell Diana to take a different car, tell NASA to check the O ring on Challenger… that kind of thing.

“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair…, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way…”

JudgeMental said:

“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair…, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way…”

Dickens.

yes, the french revolution.

JudgeMental said:

yes, the french revolution.

As Rodney said to the King of Id. “The peasants are revolting”

Tamb said:

JudgeMental said:

“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair…, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way…”

Dickens.

What the…

>“The peasants are revolting”

That’s funny :)

Of the thread title, presumably humans are the only species (on earth) that can contemplate such things.

So I wonder what the proto workings are for that, sorta anthropological thinking I suppose.

It’d be like thinking back to when you’re a kid, life then what it was like, and I suppose having seen others go through the life cycle(development, and all, to the end).

But I guess mostly individuals are busy keeping the experience of time in their heads comfortable. Adjustments of the moment, the now, and whatever for future moments.

But but, emotions, desires, mental states, (more broadly the entire workings of the mind – a proximate mechanisms for survival) these things are tried and tested, made up so, or happened upon, adaptations. Those structures in operation, or summoned, are in a sense a transport into the past. As memory is and the product of thought, of and for life experience.

Stuff like eating, sleeping, fucking, staying warm, or whatever, these don’t change (replicator’s need for, at some time)

A more interesting question maybe is of what’s required to imagine one’s environment and life to be different to what it seems. Idealizations perhaps, practical ones too more importantly. Ones that work.

Quite often I imagine being back on the african savanna for example (ancestral environments). I wouldn’t like to live back in that time. I’m half adjusted to this environment.

Divine Angel said:

I’d like to visit historical moments: who shot JFK, see the Pompeii destruction from a safe distance, find this Jesus dude a coupla thousand years ago, tell Diana to take a different car, tell NASA to check the O ring on Challenger… that kind of thing.

I like that idea.

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

I’d like to visit historical moments: who shot JFK, see the Pompeii destruction from a safe distance, find this Jesus dude a coupla thousand years ago, tell Diana to take a different car, tell NASA to check the O ring on Challenger… that kind of thing.

I like that idea.

thank God for Temporal Prime Directive

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

I’d like to visit historical moments: who shot JFK, see the Pompeii destruction from a safe distance, find this Jesus dude a coupla thousand years ago, tell Diana to take a different car, tell NASA to check the O ring on Challenger… that kind of thing.

I like that idea.

Or swap baby Jesus with baby Hitler, just for fun.

• I’d like to visit historical moments: who shot JFK

I personally don’t see why anyone these days really cares about that…

Bubblecar said:

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

I’d like to visit historical moments: who shot JFK, see the Pompeii destruction from a safe distance, find this Jesus dude a coupla thousand years ago, tell Diana to take a different car, tell NASA to check the O ring on Challenger… that kind of thing.

I like that idea.

Or swap baby Jesus with baby Hitler, just for fun.

How do you know that it hasn’t happenrd?