When I was a child my elder sibling liked to occasionally strike out when I wasn’t looking and punch me.(when my parents weren’t around this behaviour was worse. He was a nasty piece of..) I was seen as the problem. I always over reacted. It was never as bad as I made out. I was covered with bruises. But I was clumsy. It was always my fault. I remember once being beaten by my mother with the razor strop and being covered with bruises that took many weeks to go away.

Okay I do bruise easily. But I also got to the point where I thought perhaps I was feeling pain more acutely than others as the people who beat me never thought it hurt as much as I said it did..

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/women-and-the-treatment-of-pain.html

sarahs mum said:

When I was a child my elder sibling liked to occasionally strike out when I wasn’t looking and punch me.(when my parents weren’t around this behaviour was worse. He was a nasty piece of..) I was seen as the problem. I always over reacted. It was never as bad as I made out. I was covered with bruises. But I was clumsy. It was always my fault. I remember once being beaten by my mother with the razor strop and being covered with bruises that took many weeks to go away.

How awful :(

My two older brothers liked to punch me on the upper arm, then pretend nothing had happened. I was also labelled clumsy and a whinger.

Pffft…families :/

This is an important article ..I believe because parents need to understand that sibling rivalry should not equal bruising violence levels. This is violent intimidation and bullying pure and simple. By not recognizing the action the bully assumes this reaction is okay and will continue.

My sister and I normally played nicely, ‘cept I blamed her for all the broken thingies and missing toys.

monkey skipper said:

This is an important article ..I believe because parents need to understand that sibling rivalry should not equal bruising violence levels. This is violent intimidation and bullying pure and simple. By not recognizing the action the bully assumes this reaction is okay and will continue.

I was thought dumping on the info contained in the article. But in the era I grew up some people said children don’t feel pain like adults do.
I remember crushing my wrist in a fall. No painkillers. Breaking my finger. No Pain killers.

Well, some breaks can go numb instead of being painful.

sarahs mum said:

monkey skipper said:

This is an important article ..I believe because parents need to understand that sibling rivalry should not equal bruising violence levels. This is violent intimidation and bullying pure and simple. By not recognizing the action the bully assumes this reaction is okay and will continue.

I was thought dumping on the info contained in the article. But in the era I grew up some people said children don’t feel pain like adults do.
I remember crushing my wrist in a fall. No painkillers. Breaking my finger. No Pain killers.

The bones are still growing together and there is more flexibility but there is more harm from hitting than the pain and that the anxiety of going to be hit and the anxiety of wondering how painful and the duration and extent of the event. Not many good chemicals going through the mind and body of a developing brain and young person.

monkey skipper said:

sarahs mum said:

monkey skipper said:

This is an important article ..I believe because parents need to understand that sibling rivalry should not equal bruising violence levels. This is violent intimidation and bullying pure and simple. By not recognizing the action the bully assumes this reaction is okay and will continue.

I was thought dumping on the info contained in the article. But in the era I grew up some people said children don’t feel pain like adults do.
I remember crushing my wrist in a fall. No painkillers. Breaking my finger. No Pain killers.

The bones are still growing together and there is more flexibility but there is more harm from hitting than the pain and that the anxiety of going to be hit and the anxiety of wondering how painful and the duration and extent of the event. Not many good chemicals going through the mind and body of a developing brain and young person.

Is there a recognised scale of violence?

“The oft-cited study “The Girl Who Cried Pain: A Bias Against Women in the Treatment of Pain” found that women were less likely to receive aggressive treatment when diagnosed, and were more likely to have their pain characterized as “emotional,” “psychogenic” and therefore “not real.””

My mum has suffered migraines all her life and until she was in her 30s, every doctor told her she was exaggerating the pain or making it up entirely.

Divine Angel said:

My mum has suffered migraines all her life and until she was in her 30s, every doctor told her she was exaggerating the pain or making it up entirely.

Yeah. This stuff.

I lost almost all my hearing in my left ear overnight.

The GP I walked out on was trying to tell me about successful treatments that had been had on other psychotic women.

mollwollfumble said:

monkey skipper said:

sarahs mum said:

I was thought dumping on the info contained in the article. But in the era I grew up some people said children don’t feel pain like adults do.
I remember crushing my wrist in a fall. No painkillers. Breaking my finger. No Pain killers.

The bones are still growing together and there is more flexibility but there is more harm from hitting than the pain and that the anxiety of going to be hit and the anxiety of wondering how painful and the duration and extent of the event. Not many good chemicals going through the mind and body of a developing brain and young person.

Is there a recognised scale of violence?

what scale of violence

scales across society?

individual scale level of abuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_tactics_scale

The revised CTS2 measures a total of 39 behaviors. Each of these behaviors, or “items”, is divided into five categories: “Negotiation”, “Psychological Aggression”, “Physical Assault”, “Sexual Coercion” and “Injury.” Each of the five categories is then further subdivided into two subscales: “Negotiation” is subdivided into “Cognitive” and “Emotional”, while the other four categories are subdivided into “Minor” and “Severe.” There are six items in “Negotiation”, eight in “Psychological Aggression,” twelve in “Physical Assault,” seven in “Sexual Coercion,” and six in “Injury.”

Examples from each category include:

Negotiation: “I showed I cared about my partner even though we disagreed” (emotional); “Suggested a compromise to a disagreement” (cognitive). Psychological Aggression: “Shouted or yelled at my partner” (minor); “Threatened to hit or throw something at my partner” (severe). Physical Assault: “Slapped my partner” (minor); “Kicked my partner” (severe) Sexual Coercion: “Insisted on sex when my partner did not want to (but did not use physical force)” (minor); “Used force (like hitting, holding down, or using a weapon) to make my partner have sex” (severe) Injury: “Had a sprain, bruise, or small cut because of a fight with my partner” (minor); “Needed to see a doctor because of a fight with my partner, but I didn’t” (severe).

CTS2 questions are presented in pairs. The first question in the pair asks respondents to indicate how often they carried out each item, in a range from “never” to “more than 20 times,” in the referent period. The second asks how often the partner carried out each item within the same referent period. Default referent periods are usually 12 months, but other spans of time can be used. Subscales measuring the degree of severity of “less severe” and “more severe” behaviors are included for all CTS scales, “based on the presumed greater harm resulting from acts in the severe subscale.” The severity of behaviors can also be measured by analyzing the frequency of the acts and by whether an injury was reported by the respondent.

I guess each State in Australia would have something similar?

Is this of any interest in this context?

Severity of violence against women scale

scales across Australia

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-new-stats-reveal-the-horrifying-scale-of-domestic-violence-in-australia-2015-9

The numbers below show the number of victims of family and domestic violence-related assault from selected states and are, frankly, frightening.

New South Wales – 28,780 victims; South Australia – 5,691 victims; Western Australia – 14,603 victims; Northern Territory – 4,287 victims; and Australian Capital Territory – 615 victims.

It is gut-wrenching.
AND this is without the data from two of Australia’s biggest states, Queensland and Victoria.
AND this is only the incidents where the police have been involved. So much, as we well know, goes unreported. By some estimates, only half of assaults are reported to police.
The details in the police data are distressing. There were 12,561 women who were victims of assault in NSW last year. That’s 34 a day.
Of those, 9651 were assaults by a partner and another 2993 were ex-partners.
These are husbands, boyfriends, and exes assaulting women by the thousand. In one state.

more…

CrazyNeutrino said:

scales across Australia

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-new-stats-reveal-the-horrifying-scale-of-domestic-violence-in-australia-2015-9

The numbers below show the number of victims of family and domestic violence-related assault from selected states and are, frankly, frightening.

New South Wales – 28,780 victims; South Australia – 5,691 victims; Western Australia – 14,603 victims; Northern Territory – 4,287 victims; and Australian Capital Territory – 615 victims.

It is gut-wrenching.
AND this is without the data from two of Australia’s biggest states, Queensland and Victoria.
AND this is only the incidents where the police have been involved. So much, as we well know, goes unreported. By some estimates, only half of assaults are reported to police.
The details in the police data are distressing. There were 12,561 women who were victims of assault in NSW last year. That’s 34 a day.
Of those, 9651 were assaults by a partner and another 2993 were ex-partners.
These are husbands, boyfriends, and exes assaulting women by the thousand. In one state.

more…

..and as mentioned…that is just the reporteds.

CrazyNeutrino said:

scales across Australia

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-new-stats-reveal-the-horrifying-scale-of-domestic-violence-in-australia-2015-9

The numbers below show the number of victims of family and domestic violence-related assault from selected states and are, frankly, frightening.

New South Wales – 28,780 victims; South Australia – 5,691 victims; Western Australia – 14,603 victims; Northern Territory – 4,287 victims; and Australian Capital Territory – 615 victims.

It is gut-wrenching.
AND this is without the data from two of Australia’s biggest states, Queensland and Victoria.
AND this is only the incidents where the police have been involved. So much, as we well know, goes unreported. By some estimates, only half of assaults are reported to police.
The details in the police data are distressing. There were 12,561 women who were victims of assault in NSW last year. That’s 34 a day.
Of those, 9651 were assaults by a partner and another 2993 were ex-partners.
These are husbands, boyfriends, and exes assaulting women by the thousand. In one state.

more…

The State Governments of Victoria and NSW need to publish the numbers of victims of family and domestic violence-related assaults

wiki

Domestic violence in Australia

ABC Fact file

Fact file: Domestic violence in Australia

ourwatch.org

http://www.ourwatch.org.au/Understanding-Violence/Facts-and-figures

an American publication

Measuring
Violence-Related
Attitudes, Behaviors,
and Influences
Among Youths:
A Compendium of Assessment Tools

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/yv_compendium.pdf

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

scales across Australia

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-new-stats-reveal-the-horrifying-scale-of-domestic-violence-in-australia-2015-9

The numbers below show the number of victims of family and domestic violence-related assault from selected states and are, frankly, frightening.

New South Wales – 28,780 victims; South Australia – 5,691 victims; Western Australia – 14,603 victims; Northern Territory – 4,287 victims; and Australian Capital Territory – 615 victims.

It is gut-wrenching.
AND this is without the data from two of Australia’s biggest states, Queensland and Victoria.
AND this is only the incidents where the police have been involved. So much, as we well know, goes unreported. By some estimates, only half of assaults are reported to police.
The details in the police data are distressing. There were 12,561 women who were victims of assault in NSW last year. That’s 34 a day.
Of those, 9651 were assaults by a partner and another 2993 were ex-partners.
These are husbands, boyfriends, and exes assaulting women by the thousand. In one state.

more…

The State Governments of Victoria and NSW need to publish the numbers of victims of family and domestic violence-related assaults

The State Governments of Victoria and Queensland need to publish the numbers of victims of family and domestic violence-related assaults

some of things that don’t get discussed often is preventing family violence by using emotional control measures

its usually negative emotions that lead to physical abuse

if adult males and females can control their negative emotions and negative reactions to other people

their would be much less violence happening

1.Women can feel pain moreso than men.
2. Women are told they are exaggerating.
3. Women have more pain inflicted upon them.

CrazyNeutrino said:

some of things that don’t get discussed often is preventing family violence by using emotional control measures

its usually negative emotions that lead to physical abuse

if adult males and females can control their negative emotions and negative reactions to other people

their would be much less violence happening

there needs to be a study involving voluntary couples who are frequently involved in domestic disputes

the study would involve audio recording used to look for triggers

triggers could be anything involving money finances, children custody to trivial reasons heaps of other reasons

the triggers and arguments need to be studied to find non hostile solutions

something like that

Society is not going to solve domestic violence by doing nothing about it

sarahs mum said:

1.Women can feel pain moreso than men.
2. Women are told they are exaggerating.
3. Women have more pain inflicted upon them.

we need to find ways to study violence if we want to do something about it

each state needs to have legal documents of scales of violence to use has a reference

scales of violence needs to be made public for discussion and prevention of violence

understanding behaviors and emotions is a big part of that

JudgeMental said:

simple

education

if people were taught all their emotions how be be aware of their emotions and how to control them

then

people might be nicer to each other

Fed up!

CrazyNeutrino said:

JudgeMental said:

simple

education

if people were taught all their emotions how be be aware of their emotions and how to control them

then

people might be nicer to each other

Fed up!

you obviously missed my post before this one.

:-)

CrazyNeutrino said:

JudgeMental said:

simple

education

if people were taught all their emotions how be be aware of their emotions and how to control them

then

people might be nicer to each other

Fed up!

you obviously missed my post before this one.

:-)

Victoria and Queensland should publish their figures for domestic violence victims.

That would be a good start to solving it.

So whey aren’t they?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Victoria and Queensland should publish their figures for domestic violence victims.

That would be a good start to solving it.

So whey aren’t they?

I wonder how many times police get multiple call-outs for same families?

Is lack of doing something about it because the government wants a ready base of aggressive males?

sarahs mum said:

“The oft-cited study “The Girl Who Cried Pain: A Bias Against Women in the Treatment of Pain” found that women were less likely to receive aggressive treatment when diagnosed, and were more likely to have their pain characterized as “emotional,” “psychogenic” and therefore “not real.””

Oh…this.

That bastard doctor on Oxford St, Paddington. Sleazy creepy fucker.

“The tests are all negative – you must be making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

“The oft-cited study “The Girl Who Cried Pain: A Bias Against Women in the Treatment of Pain” found that women were less likely to receive aggressive treatment when diagnosed, and were more likely to have their pain characterized as “emotional,” “psychogenic” and therefore “not real.””

Oh…this.

That bastard doctor on Oxford St, Paddington. Sleazy creepy fucker.

“The tests are all negative – you must be making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

Tell him his presumptions are insulting .

CrazyNeutrino said:

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

“The oft-cited study “The Girl Who Cried Pain: A Bias Against Women in the Treatment of Pain” found that women were less likely to receive aggressive treatment when diagnosed, and were more likely to have their pain characterized as “emotional,” “psychogenic” and therefore “not real.””

Oh…this.

That bastard doctor on Oxford St, Paddington. Sleazy creepy fucker.

“The tests are all negative – you must be making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

Tell him his presumptions are insulting .

He’s dead now.

CrazyNeutrino said:

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

“The oft-cited study “The Girl Who Cried Pain: A Bias Against Women in the Treatment of Pain” found that women were less likely to receive aggressive treatment when diagnosed, and were more likely to have their pain characterized as “emotional,” “psychogenic” and therefore “not real.””

Oh…this.

That bastard doctor on Oxford St, Paddington. Sleazy creepy fucker.

“The tests are all negative – you must be making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

Tell him his presumptions are insulting .

There was a GP who said similar to me. He was a plumber that spent a decade becoming a GP. One notes he is now working as a plumber again.

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

kii said:

Oh…this.

That bastard doctor on Oxford St, Paddington. Sleazy creepy fucker.

“The tests are all negative – you must be making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

Tell him his presumptions are insulting .

He’s dead now.

Or go to the website to check the GP is indeed licensed and has no pending cases against them.

monkey skipper said:

kii said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Tell him his presumptions are insulting .

He’s dead now.

Or go to the website to check the GP is indeed licensed and has no pending cases against them.

It was 41 years ago. He’s dead.

sarahs mum said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

kii said:

Oh…this.

That bastard doctor on Oxford St, Paddington. Sleazy creepy fucker.

“The tests are all negative – you must be making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

Tell him his presumptions are insulting .

There was a GP who said similar to me. He was a plumber that spent a decade becoming a GP. One notes he is now working as a plumber again.

The whole point is if the condition is interfering with the person’s capacity to function … then there is a problem..treat the symptons while trying to derive the cause in some instances where by diagnosis is going to be a long haul. Apparently Fybromyalgia takes a long time generally before diagnosis is made and the condition is real and fluctuates.

kii said:

Oh…this.

That bastard doctor on Oxford St, Paddington. Sleazy creepy fucker.

“The tests are all negative – you must be making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

I’ve had similar. I occasionally had abdominal pain so intense it was debilitating, but it was episodic: I could never get an appointment to see the doctor when it was so painful. They did a bunch of tests, including ultrasound (with which they found a birthmark on my liver,) but the tests came back negative, so I was told the same thing: “You’re making it up to get addictive analgesics, or for attention, or it’s not real pain…” After about twelve years they did a colonoscopy (for something else) — “Oh, you’ve got diverticulitis! That’s what’s causing all the pain!”

>making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

Melingering hypochondriac ;)

>Oh, you’ve got diverticulitis!

Lady’s starting to wonder if got a bit of that.

It pays to do a bit of your own work regards illness, not like Victor Meldrew though banging around the house going between the home handyman book and the medical book, reads the symptoms for like (of cancer) there maybe no symptoms in the early stages, then goes on “God!, that’s exactly what i’ve got!”

I had Zn deficiency for first ~30years of life, then burnout and viral infections and extreme fatigue for last 6 years of that. Fixed it overnight with Zn supplements. Doctors were’t a lot of help, but back then not much was known about it.

transition said:

>making the pain up to get attention because you are unemployed.”

Melingering hypochondriac ;)

>Oh, you’ve got diverticulitis!

Lady’s starting to wonder if got a bit of that.

—-
They are thinking the same for my sister. But while they were trying to get a diagnosis together they have zapped two precancerous polyps from her bowel. So you can win some.