Date: 20/11/2016 12:00:16
From: monkey skipper
ID: 983861
Subject: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-20/patients-forced-to-have-ect-without-legal-representation/8030996

Hundreds of patients forced to have ECT in Victoria without legal representation
By Sarah Farnsworth

Since being diagnosed with drug-induced bi-polar disorder, Lisa*, has been forced to undergo Electro Convulsive Therapy (ECT) more times that she can remember.

As an involuntary mental health patient, she has had security guards wheel her down to the treatment room and been held down to stop her escaping.

“I have lost count over the years. I would say close to 100. It was always against my will,” she said.

“I felt like I was being wheeled down to the gas chamber really.

“You wake up with a headache feeling really empty like it’s all been restarted, with memory loss and poor concentration.

“It can last days the headaches but the memory loss and the concentration levels, I think I am still experiencing the effects of that. And I last had it in January.”

Lisa would prefer alternative methods, but often in her manic stages will refuse all treatments. Over the years she has tried many ways to prevent it.

She would eat from a stash of hidden food so the general anaesthetic could not be administered.

When the staff found her stockpile, she resorted to eating grass instead.

Lisa has also fronted Mental Health Tribunal hearings, were compulsory orders are made.

Once she was shown with her face painted with dots and dressed up like the Joker. Unsurprisingly, it did not do her any favours.
‘Serious human rights issues’ around compulsory treatment

Last year, 620 patients were forced to undergo ECT by the tribunal, under the Mental Health Act.

The tribunal can decide whether ECT can be performed if the patient is not considered to have the capacity to give informed consent, or if they are under 18.

Last year, six patients aged 16 and 17 were given ECT.

Compulsory orders can also place people in psychiatric facilities, make them undergo neurosurgery, or order a range of medications such as lithium or anti-psychotic medications.

In 2015 and 2016 only 19 per cent of people who appeared were represented by a lawyer.

NSW has the highest rate of legal representation in Australia with 77 per cent. In Queensland it is 4 per cent.

Victoria Legal Aid lawyer Chris Povey said there were serious human rights implications posed by compulsory treatment orders, particularly ECT orders.

“It’s hugely concerning that we are forcing people to accept ECT and hundreds are missing out on legal representation,” he said.

“If you have a headache people don’t force you to take a Panadol.”

One patient was on a compulsory treatment order for 16 years before Legal Aid successfully argued it should be revoked.

“He represents a lot of people who are subject to restrictive orders and the legal assistance helps flush out that he shouldn’t have been there,” Mr Povey said.
People would be ‘surprised’ by the system

The Mental Health Legal Centre also represents patients but it runs primarily on donations.

The centre’s Stan Winford said legal representation was absolutely critical.

“Some people in the community would be surprised that we do have a system that people against their will can be compelled to have treatment,” he said.

“These aren’t people who pose a danger to the community. They are not criminals. It’s a civil system.

“There might be rights on paper in the legislation, but without the person understanding their rights are and having the means to enforce them a lawyer, then those rights are illusionary.”

The Mental Health Tribunal’s President Matthew Carroll said availability of lawyers was determined by the capacity of the legal groups.

He said a range of strategies do exist to ensure access to them was maximised.

*Not her real name.

Topics: mental-health, health, law-crime-and-justice, melbourne-3000

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Date: 20/11/2016 12:16:11
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 983869
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

I thought ECT was banned decades ago.

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Date: 20/11/2016 12:35:25
From: monkey skipper
ID: 983878
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

mollwollfumble said:


I thought ECT was banned decades ago.

Carrie Fischer (Princess Leah) likes ect to manage her symptons of ect. The memory loss is an issue and my training workshops with another recipient in Australia suggested there is a limit to how much a person should have and a guess to work that limit out.

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Date: 20/11/2016 12:39:15
From: monkey skipper
ID: 983880
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

monkey skipper said:


mollwollfumble said:

I thought ECT was banned decades ago.

Carrie Fischer (Princess Leah) likes ect to manage her symptons of ect. The memory loss is an issue and my training workshops with another recipient in Australia suggested there is a limit to how much a person should have and a guess to work that limit out.

I am surprised mania is being treated with ECT. I thought ECT was more effective with long depressive episodes. And sometimes the only effective treatment in some where by the depression has continued without relief from symptons and for excessively long periods of debilitation.

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Date: 20/11/2016 12:43:52
From: monkey skipper
ID: 983881
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

https://www.beyondblue.org.au/the-facts/depression/treatments-for-depression/medical-treatments-for-depression/electroconvulsive-therapy-(ect)

Copyright © 2016 Beyond Blue Ltd

Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT)

Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is a procedure used to treat certain psychiatric conditions. It involves passing a carefully controlled electric current through the brain, which affects the brain’s activity and aims to relieve severe depressive and psychotic symptoms.

Modern day ECT is safe and effective. It can relieve symptoms of the most severe forms of depression more effectively than medication or therapy, but because it is an intrusive procedure and can cause some memory problems, ECT should be used only when absolutely necessary.

Feedback was collected from members of blueVoices – beyondblue’s national reference group – who have received ECT treatment, their families and carers to help develop the information below.

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Date: 20/11/2016 12:46:30
From: monkey skipper
ID: 983882
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

http://www.mht.vic.gov.au/

Welcome to the Mental Health Tribunal

The Mental Health Tribunal (the Tribunal) is an independent statutory tribunal established under the Mental Health Act 2014. The Tribunal is an essential safeguard under the Act to protect the rights and dignity of people with mental illness. The primary function of the Tribunal is to determine whether the criteria for compulsory mental health treatment as set out in the Mental Health Act 2014 apply to a person. The Tribunal makes a Treatment Order for a person if all the criteria in the legislation apply to that person.

The Tribunal will also determine:

Whether electroconvulsive treatment (ECT) can be performed on a compulsory patient if they are considered to not have capacity to give informed consent to ECT, or if they are under the age of 18. A variety of matters relating to security patients. Transfers of treatment to other mental health services. Applications to perform neurosurgery for mental illness.
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Date: 20/11/2016 12:49:06
From: monkey skipper
ID: 983884
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

mollwollfumble said:


I thought ECT was banned decades ago.

As you can see. ECT is still a current but modernised treatment in the mental health system of Australia

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Date: 20/11/2016 13:01:50
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 983887
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

monkey skipper said:


mollwollfumble said:

I thought ECT was banned decades ago.

As you can see. ECT is still a current but modernised treatment in the mental health system of Australia

ECT always involves current!

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Date: 20/11/2016 14:48:04
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 983909
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

I had ECT treatment around 4 or 6 times

one time the electrodes fell off my teeth and caused two inner cheek injuries

when I woke up no one was in the treatment room

I could have walked out of hospital as mentally ill patient straight after ECT

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Date: 20/11/2016 15:24:27
From: buffy
ID: 983916
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

One of my patients underwent ECT for his depression. It was efficacious for a while. Ultimately though he ended up in full time care. And his son committed suicide last year. The old man had already died, but it has been difficult for the wife/mother. She’s OK at the moment. She lived with it a long time.

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Date: 20/11/2016 17:52:36
From: dv
ID: 983943
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

mollwollfumble said:


I thought ECT was banned decades ago.

Um, no. Why would you think that? It’s a very beneficial treatment in a lot of cases. My sister has it regularly and she finds it a handy “reset”. Tens of thousands of patients in Australia receive ECT.

It’s a safe treatment and is used to treat mania and extreme depression. It doesn’t present a long term cure but is useful to bring back patients with chronic and severe problems.

The downside of it is that it can cause short term memory problems immediately after treatment.

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Date: 20/11/2016 17:54:06
From: dv
ID: 983945
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

bob(from black rock) said:


monkey skipper said:

mollwollfumble said:

I thought ECT was banned decades ago.

As you can see. ECT is still a current but modernised treatment in the mental health system of Australia

ECT always involves current!

zing

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Date: 20/11/2016 20:49:38
From: Divine Angel
ID: 984087
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

Apparently Pence believes ECT can reset one’s sexuality to hetero.

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Date: 20/11/2016 20:53:10
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 984088
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

There was 12 pence to a shilling, 12 shillings to a pound and 14 pound to a stone.

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Date: 20/11/2016 20:55:03
From: JudgeMental
ID: 984090
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

Peak Warming Man said:


There was 12 pence to a shilling, 12 shillings to a pound and 14 pound to a stone.

and about 12 stones to a stick.

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Date: 20/11/2016 21:03:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 984091
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

JudgeMental said:


Peak Warming Man said:

There was 12 pence to a shilling, 12 shillings to a pound and 14 pound to a stone.

and about 12 stones to a stick.

Which cost about 12 dollars

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Date: 20/11/2016 22:12:13
From: dv
ID: 984109
Subject: re: Patients forced to have ECT in Victoria

Divine Angel said:


Apparently Pence believes ECT can reset one’s sexuality to hetero.

He believes a lot of stuff

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