What are the simplist computational elements (devices) of a planet and solar system (pre life but where organic life would possibly emerge). Of the universe more generally, possibly accretions of galaxies also.

Is a spinning planet and orbit around a sun a clock? Clocking. Do these cycles power embedding, or embed order, and is it a type of memory?

no

dv said:

no

starting with your day-to-day life those solar cycles contribute to memory and order, so why not way back before organic replicators(dna etc, of abiogenesis)

transition said:

What are the simplist computational elements (devices) of a planet and solar system (pre life but where organic life would possibly emerge). Of the universe more generally, possibly accretions of galaxies also.

Is a spinning planet and orbit around a sun a clock? Clocking. Do these cycles power embedding, or embed order, and is it a type of memory?

wow.. I really have no idea what the question even is here??

transition said:

What are the simplist computational elements (devices) of a planet and solar system (pre life but where organic life would possibly emerge). Of the universe more generally, possibly accretions of galaxies also.

Is a spinning planet and orbit around a sun a clock? Clocking. Do these cycles power embedding, or embed order, and is it a type of memory?

They use neutron stars as clocks

diddly-squat said:

transition said:

What are the simplist computational elements (devices) of a planet and solar system (pre life but where organic life would possibly emerge). Of the universe more generally, possibly accretions of galaxies also.

Is a spinning planet and orbit around a sun a clock? Clocking. Do these cycles power embedding, or embed order, and is it a type of memory?

wow.. I really have no idea what the question even is here??

And you want to be our latex salesman

If I understand the question, computation in physics started in the first nano-poofteenth of the shortest possible time interval after the start of the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang).

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I understand the question, computation in physics started in the first nano-poofteenth of the shortest possible time interval after the start of the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang).

starting more local, is the spinning earth orbiting the sun analogous to computer clocking

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I understand the question, computation in physics started in the first nano-poofteenth of the shortest possible time interval after the start of the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang).

starting more local, is the spinning earth orbiting the sun analogous to computer clocking

no, because the orbit, and spin, are dynamic.

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I understand the question, computation in physics started in the first nano-poofteenth of the shortest possible time interval after the start of the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang).

starting more local, is the spinning earth orbiting the sun analogous to computer clocking

Sure, in a very loose sort of analogy way.

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I understand the question, computation in physics started in the first nano-poofteenth of the shortest possible time interval after the start of the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang).

starting more local, is the spinning earth orbiting the sun analogous to computer clocking

It would be an interesting proposal for the existence of the universe one massive computational engine

diddly-squat said:

transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

If I understand the question, computation in physics started in the first nano-poofteenth of the shortest possible time interval after the start of the Big Bang (if there was a Big Bang).

starting more local, is the spinning earth orbiting the sun analogous to computer clocking

no, because the orbit, and spin, are dynamic.

what of it being dynamic stops it performing clocking

transition said:

diddly-squat said:

transition said:

starting more local, is the spinning earth orbiting the sun analogous to computer clocking

no, because the orbit, and spin, are dynamic.

what of it being dynamic stops it performing clocking

that fact that a clocks tend to work best on the basis of using regular units of time…

diddly-squat said:

transition said:

diddly-squat said:

no, because the orbit, and spin, are dynamic.

what of it being dynamic stops it performing clocking

that fact that a clocks tend to work best on the basis of using regular units of time…

it’s strange that the gifted species that makes reference to clocks and calendars for amost everything of day-to-day life (references to the spinning earth and planet orbiting the sun) might be reluctant to reverse engineer their temporal experience and divine the most powerful ordering force (energy) nearby that probably drove abiogenesis and evolution.

transition said:

What are the simplist computational elements (devices) of a planet and solar system (pre life but where organic life would possibly emerge). Of the universe more generally, possibly accretions of galaxies also.

Is a spinning planet and orbit around a sun a clock? Clocking. Do these cycles power embedding, or embed order, and is it a type of memory?

I see three aspects here. Actually, no, there are even more aspects than that when you take account of the fact that a conventional computer with all the standard logic gates can built from Conway’s game of life cellular automaton.

RNA can be used as a base on which to build a computer.

I would like to believe that a pre-RNA primordial soup could do computation, but I can’t prove it.

My favourite early computer was built in Roman times using ropes and pulleys.

As for time. The thermodynamic temperature of the Universe provides an absolute measure of time more accurate than the motion of planets. Everything has a memory, remember “total perspective vortex” of Douglas Adams, but in a physical system the memory degrades due to a number of effects such as chaos and entropy gain.

Let’s go back to basics and consider what is needed for computation. Can you have computation without logic? If fed the same input, how much variation in output is a computer allowed?

the spinning earth (with sun) provides a miltitude of energy gradients

day/night can be a switch

transition said:

the spinning earth (with sun) provides a miltitude of energy gradients

Are you talking chaotic orbits here, because nothing else can use those energy gradients.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

the spinning earth (with sun) provides a miltitude of energy gradients

Are you talking chaotic orbits here, because nothing else can use those energy gradients.

I mean really dumb stuff like the heating of things, and then the cooling (with day/night). This has structure, representative of the earth spinning in proximity to an energy source (the sun), there’s energy conversion.

transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

the spinning earth (with sun) provides a miltitude of energy gradients

Are you talking chaotic orbits here, because nothing else can use those energy gradients.

I mean really dumb stuff like the heating of things, and then the cooling (with day/night). This has structure, representative of the earth spinning in proximity to an energy source (the sun), there’s energy conversion.

I wish I’d thought of that. Yes, that would work.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

Are you talking chaotic orbits here, because nothing else can use those energy gradients.

I mean really dumb stuff like the heating of things, and then the cooling (with day/night). This has structure, representative of the earth spinning in proximity to an energy source (the sun), there’s energy conversion.

I wish I’d thought of that. Yes, that would work.

so you’ve got this massive energy source, and every spin is a clocking, the spinning (on an axis) relative to the sun already has structure, this is then transformed or converted into new structure (on the earth, atmosphere too).

it’s transformed into many things, like involved weather patterns, and importantly drives the hydrological cycle. These patterns in a sense are memory.