The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

All of the glossy colour pamphlets just say ‘contact an ISP’, and that’s it, like it happens by magic. However, i think it’s been mentioned here that there’s more to it than that.

For instance, none of the ‘literature’ says that an NBN installer will have to call on us, which i’m sure has been mentioned here .As well, i understand that there’s equipment to purchase, although that’s probably another surprise that NBN Co. and ISPs are keeping up their sleeve until they’ve got you on the line.

I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

what style of NBN is in your area? Full fibre to the home or fibre to the node? Have they installed green NBN pill boxes on every street? If it is the green pill boxes then you have the cheap Malccolm Turnbull“s NBN which connects for home copper line to the nearest green pill box. We got one of these connection done a work a few weeks ago. Don’t need any new installation inside the building, just a new NBN compatible modem/router to replace the old one. Your phone line will plug into the router.

You will get lots of weird wrong numbers and call forwarding won’t work.

mcgoon said:

The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

All of the glossy colour pamphlets just say ‘contact an ISP’, and that’s it, like it happens by magic. However, i think it’s been mentioned here that there’s more to it than that.

For instance, none of the ‘literature’ says that an NBN installer will have to call on us, which i’m sure has been mentioned here .As well, i understand that there’s equipment to purchase, although that’s probably another surprise that NBN Co. and ISPs are keeping up their sleeve until they’ve got you on the line.

I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

I recently got an NBN satellite connection. One prearranged visit by the tech who installed the dish & other equipment. No charge. $45/month + bundled landline charges – $10 discount for bundling.

My nbn experience was ring the isp

you select a plan which is usually a combination of speed + bandwith

they sign you up, then its usually a 2 – 3 week wait for the installer to ring

installer makes an appointment

installer comes and installs modem or modem + battery

installer will need a dedicated power point for the modem or modem + battery

thats about it

——

you can ask for a battery backup which keeps the modem going during power failure

I added a second battery and 12 volt connections so I can plug in an extra wifi modem + fixed phone to it

the wifi modem runs at 12 volts so can plug straight in

the fixed phone runs at 5 volts so add a usb 5 volt adapter to it

CrazyNeutrino said:

My nbn experience was ring the isp

you select a plan which is usually a combination of speed + bandwith

they sign you up, then its usually a 2 – 3 week wait for the installer to ring

installer makes an appointment

installer comes and installs modem or modem + battery

installer will need a dedicated power point for the modem or modem + battery

thats about it

——

you can ask for a battery backup which keeps the modem going during power failure

I added a second battery and 12 volt connections so I can plug in an extra wifi modem + fixed phone to it

the wifi modem runs at 12 volts so can plug straight in

the fixed phone runs at 5 volts so add a usb 5 volt adapter to it

I spoke to my ISP tech people & they said it’s OK to turn the modem off provided I’m willing to wait a couple of minutes for it to reboot.

Tamb said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

My nbn experience was ring the isp

you select a plan which is usually a combination of speed + bandwith

they sign you up, then its usually a 2 – 3 week wait for the installer to ring

installer makes an appointment

installer comes and installs modem or modem + battery

installer will need a dedicated power point for the modem or modem + battery

thats about it

——

you can ask for a battery backup which keeps the modem going during power failure

I added a second battery and 12 volt connections so I can plug in an extra wifi modem + fixed phone to it

the wifi modem runs at 12 volts so can plug straight in

the fixed phone runs at 5 volts so add a usb 5 volt adapter to it

I spoke to my ISP tech people & they said it’s OK to turn the modem off provided I’m willing to wait a couple of minutes for it to reboot.

Sometimes the modem will indicate no internet

a reboot usually fixes it

yes modem reboots do a a minute or two

CrazyNeutrino said:

Tamb said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

My nbn experience was ring the isp

you select a plan which is usually a combination of speed + bandwith

they sign you up, then its usually a 2 – 3 week wait for the installer to ring

installer makes an appointment

installer comes and installs modem or modem + battery

installer will need a dedicated power point for the modem or modem + battery

thats about it

——

you can ask for a battery backup which keeps the modem going during power failure

I added a second battery and 12 volt connections so I can plug in an extra wifi modem + fixed phone to it

the wifi modem runs at 12 volts so can plug straight in

the fixed phone runs at 5 volts so add a usb 5 volt adapter to it

I spoke to my ISP tech people & they said it’s OK to turn the modem off provided I’m willing to wait a couple of minutes for it to reboot.

Sometimes the modem will indicate no internet

a reboot usually fixes it

yes modem reboots do a a minute or two

I don’t like leaving stuff plugged in when there’s lightning about. I’ve has a couple of TVs fried that way. (From the lightning, not the unplugging)

Tamb said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Tamb said:

I spoke to my ISP tech people & they said it’s OK to turn the modem off provided I’m willing to wait a couple of minutes for it to reboot.

Sometimes the modem will indicate no internet

a reboot usually fixes it

yes modem reboots do a a minute or two

I don’t like leaving stuff plugged in when there’s lightning about. I’ve has a couple of TVs fried that way. (From the lightning, not the unplugging)

Lightning is not friendly to electronics

Ive been leaving here for 1 year

closet lightning strike in that time was about 50 meters away

One house I lived in got hit by lightning, intense storm around 2.30 in the morning, wiped out half the electrical wiring and left earth leaks which needed fixing

The only thing I had to buy separately was the cordless phone for VOIP

This is an ordinary phone that plugs into the modem

I think that we’ve got Malcolm’s FTN economy version.

Haven’t seen any green boxes around, but i doubt that we have fibre-to-door.

A little while ago, NBN Co.‘s maps showed no indication of when our area was scheduled for NBN. So, i e-mailed them, asking where our locality fitted in the plan – when should we expect to see the work begin?

I made no demands for ‘connection now’ – just asked where were we on the schedule. That’s all i wanted to know – didn’t really care when it happened.

Lots of hmm, yes, well, you see, generalisations, sweeping statements, ‘it’s all a rich tapestry’ from NBN Co. Repeated requests. More guff in reply.

E-mails to local MP (then Minister for Industry) and to M. Turnbull (then minister for Comms, shortly afterwards to be PM).

And, lo! Not only do we get an update on the map, but work in our area begins withing six months.

So, it’s probably FTN.

The ISPs installer supplied and fitted 3 items which were part of the ISP’s plans cost

NBN Modem + Battery compartment + the ISPs wifi modem

mcgoon said:

I think that we’ve got Malcolm’s FTN economy version.

Haven’t seen any green boxes around, but i doubt that we have fibre-to-door.

A little while ago, NBN Co.‘s maps showed no indication of when our area was scheduled for NBN. So, i e-mailed them, asking where our locality fitted in the plan – when should we expect to see the work begin?

I made no demands for ‘connection now’ – just asked where were we on the schedule. That’s all i wanted to know – didn’t really care when it happened.

Lots of hmm, yes, well, you see, generalisations, sweeping statements, ‘it’s all a rich tapestry’ from NBN Co. Repeated requests. More guff in reply.

E-mails to local MP (then Minister for Industry) and to M. Turnbull (then minister for Comms, shortly afterwards to be PM).

And, lo! Not only do we get an update on the map, but work in our area begins withing six months.

So, it’s probably FTN.

you can ask for FTP but at extra cost I think

I have FTP

I have a wifi modem.

Will that work with the NBN modem?

My current ISP says they’ll give me a new modem for free (yes, free – i’ll never pay for it, not even via a few bob tacked n to each month’s bill. Really).

Anyway, it’s December now, and the silly season will start at any tick of the clock.

Won’t get any sense out of any service providers, business or govt. until at least after Australia Day.

It’ll have to wait until then.

mcgoon said:

I have a wifi modem.

Will that work with the NBN modem?

My current ISP says they’ll give me a new modem for free (yes, free – i’ll never pay for it, not even via a few bob tacked n to each month’s bill. Really).

manufactured cost of modems are cheap, basically printed boards in plastic case with a mini fractal antenna also printed, or a wire antenna

they might buy them for 5 – 10 dollars, less or more for a thousand units etc

The backup battery for the NBN modem is optional

if you are getting NBN FTTN and you already have ASDL internet then your current modem will work.

Boris said:

if you are getting NBN FTTN and you already have ASDL internet then your current modem will work.

thanks, Boris.

If the supplied modem is newer go with that, for speed and security improvements

CrazyNeutrino said:

If the supplied modem is newer go with that, for speed and security improvements

speed? hahaha. your speed is limited to how fast the connection is between modem and node on. and from what i have read that ain’t real fast. so any modem will give you the fastest speed your connection will allow.

Boris said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

If the supplied modem is newer go with that, for speed and security improvements

speed? hahaha. your speed is limited to how fast the connection is between modem and node on. and from what i have read that ain’t real fast. so any modem will give you the fastest speed your connection will allow.

I think i’ll need a new modem, anyway. It looks like mine doesn’t have suitable WAN port, just the RJ11 port.

mcgoon said:

Boris said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

If the supplied modem is newer go with that, for speed and security improvements

speed? hahaha. your speed is limited to how fast the connection is between modem and node on. and from what i have read that ain’t real fast. so any modem will give you the fastest speed your connection will allow.

I think i’ll need a new modem, anyway. It looks like mine doesn’t have suitable WAN port, just the RJ11 port.

and it is free, so why not.

Boris said:

mcgoon said:

Boris said:

speed? hahaha. your speed is limited to how fast the connection is between modem and node on. and from what i have read that ain’t real fast. so any modem will give you the fastest speed your connection will allow.

I think i’ll need a new modem, anyway. It looks like mine doesn’t have suitable WAN port, just the RJ11 port.

and it is free, so why not.

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Boris said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

If the supplied modem is newer go with that, for speed and security improvements

speed? hahaha. your speed is limited to how fast the connection is between modem and node on. and from what i have read that ain’t real fast. so any modem will give you the fastest speed your connection will allow.

I dont have adsl

my setup is a cable modem with a wifi modem

it has 2 usb ports for sharing printers or hard drives on wifi, Wifi ac, external antenna connection, dual channel wifi 2.5 ghz and 5 ghz

I have matching dongles for the laptop and pc, the tablet and smart phone are both dual channel

there is newer faster IEEE 802.11 standard now called 802.11ad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11

TP-Link are making 802.11ad modems

you have modems and you have routers. usually you just have one modem. then you use wifi routers from there.

Boris said:

you have modems and you have routers. usually you just have one modem. then you use wifi routers from there.

Yes, I have a cable modem and a wifi router
both have battery backup in case of power failure

I have a 3 hour UPS on the pc
I keep a charged second battery for the laptop

>you have modems and you have routers

or switches

Ian said:

>you have modems and you have routers

or switches

No one thinks of the switches.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Ian said:

>you have modems and you have routers

or switches

No one thinks of the switches.

The weakest links are like that.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Ian said:

>you have modems and you have routers

or switches

No one thinks of the switches.

We use one

Ian said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Ian said:

>you have modems and you have routers

or switches

No one thinks of the switches.

We use one

I use mine all the time

they don’t make any noise either

women used to do all the switching

runs away

most home set-up aren’t really extensive enough to have multiple switched networks connected via wifi. most just use wifi routers to connect everything.

Beautiful

I am not familiar with all configurations but…

It is worth having a look at:
http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/NBN589%20First%2010%20Minutes%20Guide%20Update%20NOV13.pdf
(note: I didn’t read this but it does have the figures I was looking for)

An example of a new house install with garage attached to house would be an underground from street to NBN utility box on the outside of the house. From there you have fibre to the indoor NBN connection box often located in the garage where a power point is required, I thought this as supposed to be in conduit also though often it is not in existing houses. This is as far as the NBN install goes. If you want your modem/router located elsewere in the house you need to get a data cable installed (Cat6 has pretty much become standard) between the internal NBN and the point where you wish to locate the modem/router.

You often see the internal NBN box located in funny places as the installer wants to put it in the easiest spot for themselves so it is worth investingating the standards of install locations just incase they try to put it in an undersirable spot, however, sometimes these disagreements can delay install by weeks. Remember you need a power point at the inside location.

NBN often have multiple people involved which sometimes delays install due to poor communication but mostly they go okay.

I do customer cabling, so usually the cable between the inside NBN and a more desirable WiFi/router location. Last week I fixed up an install where a previous home owner had done their own cabling. It is fibre to the home. The cabling had been done in Cat5 flexible and back to a krone module in the roof space; not ideal (join). I run it from there to a cupboard space as a central distribution point for the seven data points throughout the house. Maximum runs were about 35m with about an additional 30m from the inside NBN to Router over Cat5 flex. He is getting a very nice 50Mb per second at about 16ms ping. ‘Slightly’ better than the ADSL 1.2Mbps I get.

So anyway, you may need to get a data cable installed – at your cost – to link between the indoor NBN and your existing infrustruture.

Hope it helped.

I like this early picture of switch boards

That is how I felt when I saw the data network punched back the the krone modules in the roof space.

We don’t have it installed at home yet but at work, we contacted our IT guy who arranged the NBN installation, then sent us three modems and new phones, but we only received one phone and no modem. When we finally did receive the modem five months after the saga began, we couldn’t get it to work so the IT guy looked at all our photos and told us to connect the thing we’d never heard of to the thing that connects with the other thing. Then he said he was coming up and he’d pop in to install it, but cancelled his trip a week beforehand and sent some other doofus in, who fiddled with it for five hours then decided the NBN wasn’t actually connected to anything so he’s gonna call Optus to find out more.

Divine Angel said:

We don’t have it installed at home yet but at work, we contacted our IT guy who arranged the NBN installation, then sent us three modems and new phones, but we only received one phone and no modem. When we finally did receive the modem five months after the saga began, we couldn’t get it to work so the IT guy looked at all our photos and told us to connect the thing we’d never heard of to the thing that connects with the other thing. Then he said he was coming up and he’d pop in to install it, but cancelled his trip a week beforehand and sent some other doofus in, who fiddled with it for five hours then decided the NBN wasn’t actually connected to anything so he’s gonna call Optus to find out more.

Now, that’s the kind of telecoms service i’m used to!

Divine Angel said:

We don’t have it installed at home yet but at work, we contacted our IT guy who arranged the NBN installation, then sent us three modems and new phones, but we only received one phone and no modem. When we finally did receive the modem five months after the saga began, we couldn’t get it to work so the IT guy looked at all our photos and told us to connect the thing we’d never heard of to the thing that connects with the other thing. Then he said he was coming up and he’d pop in to install it, but cancelled his trip a week beforehand and sent some other doofus in, who fiddled with it for five hours then decided the NBN wasn’t actually connected to anything so he’s gonna call Optus to find out more.

Sack him, tell ‘you’re fired’

mcgoon said:

The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

Don’t have it here yet, but was at father’s place when he had it installed. Telephone was off for a week beforehand without notice. So we got it redirected to mobile. The technician didn’t come when first booked, and the second time walked away from the front door without knocking, only eagle-eyed wife chased him down as he was about to get back in his van.

The installation itself only took a few minutes and was free and painless. But part of that painlessness was because father only had telephone and no internet.

If he wanted a second connection it would have cost. And there was an annoying aftermath in arranging to cancel the redirection to mobile.

CrazyNeutrino said:

I like this early picture of switch boards

Love it.

The fact you have to pay more for the best possible speed for your house is a rip-off, the best possible speed should be standard not a luxury.

Cymek said:

The fact you have to pay more for the best possible speed for your house is a rip-off, the best possible speed should be standard not a luxury.

I disagree, bandwidth is the limiting factor, so it shouldn’t be about data allowances per se, but instead, just how fast you want the data at your connection

Cymek said:

The fact you have to pay more for the best possible speed for your house is a rip-off, the best possible speed should be standard not a luxury.

that is the argument most people in the industry put forward. the ISP don’t pay more for top speeds they have a flat rate I believe.

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

The fact you have to pay more for the best possible speed for your house is a rip-off, the best possible speed should be standard not a luxury.

I disagree, bandwidth is the limiting factor, so it shouldn’t be about data allowances per se, but instead, just how fast you want the data at your connection

They should have thought of bandwidth limitations when they designed it and allowed for future utilisation were it can cope with far more than what people use now. Bandwidth demands are only going to increase not stay the same.

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

The fact you have to pay more for the best possible speed for your house is a rip-off, the best possible speed should be standard not a luxury.

I disagree, bandwidth is the limiting factor, so it shouldn’t be about data allowances per se, but instead, just how fast you want the data at your connection

They should have thought of bandwidth limitations when they designed it and allowed for future utilisation were it can cope with far more than what people use now. Bandwidth demands are only going to increase not stay the same.

exactly, so the price of the service should be based on bandwidth…

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

I disagree, bandwidth is the limiting factor, so it shouldn’t be about data allowances per se, but instead, just how fast you want the data at your connection

They should have thought of bandwidth limitations when they designed it and allowed for future utilisation were it can cope with far more than what people use now. Bandwidth demands are only going to increase not stay the same.

exactly, so the price of the service should be based on bandwidth…

you two seem to be arguing the same point.

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

I disagree, bandwidth is the limiting factor, so it shouldn’t be about data allowances per se, but instead, just how fast you want the data at your connection

They should have thought of bandwidth limitations when they designed it and allowed for future utilisation were it can cope with far more than what people use now. Bandwidth demands are only going to increase not stay the same.

exactly, so the price of the service should be based on bandwidth…

the problem for ISPs is guaranteeing the speed the customers pay for (something that is largely out of their control because of limitations in the infrastructure)

Boris said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

They should have thought of bandwidth limitations when they designed it and allowed for future utilisation were it can cope with far more than what people use now. Bandwidth demands are only going to increase not stay the same.

exactly, so the price of the service should be based on bandwidth…

you two seem to be arguing the same point.

yep… data allowances are largely meaningless these days for home users these days, it’s all about bandwidth… and as such it makes sense that ISPs charge on that basis.

the system can handle the speeds. otherwise they wouldn’t offer the higher speeds. the ISP pay a fixed rate for the maximum speed. so rates should be on data.

I want ludicrous speed, and I’m prepared to pay for it,

Boris said:

the system can handle the speeds. otherwise they wouldn’t offer the higher speeds. the ISP pay a fixed rate for the maximum speed. so rates should be on data.

but people don’t care about data (most of the data plans are more than large enough for your average home user), they care about speed thus rates are based on bandwidth

party_pants said:

I want ludicrous speed, and I’m prepared to pay for it,

diddly-squat said:

Boris said:

the system can handle the speeds. otherwise they wouldn’t offer the higher speeds. the ISP pay a fixed rate for the maximum speed. so rates should be on data.

but people don’t care about data (most of the data plans are more than large enough for your average home user), they care about speed thus rates are based on bandwidth

Is there any need for speeds in excess of that required to live-stream tv/movies?

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Boris said:

the system can handle the speeds. otherwise they wouldn’t offer the higher speeds. the ISP pay a fixed rate for the maximum speed. so rates should be on data.

but people don’t care about data (most of the data plans are more than large enough for your average home user), they care about speed thus rates are based on bandwidth

Is there any need for speeds in excess of that required to live-stream tv/movies?

how many people in the household want to do it at the same relates to how fast you want the connection. plus it isn’t just about streaming movies.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

Boris said:

the system can handle the speeds. otherwise they wouldn’t offer the higher speeds. the ISP pay a fixed rate for the maximum speed. so rates should be on data.

but people don’t care about data (most of the data plans are more than large enough for your average home user), they care about speed thus rates are based on bandwidth

Is there any need for speeds in excess of that required to live-stream tv/movies?

of course… data requirements are only going up, and as houses require greater levels of connectivity so to will the requirements for bandwidth

diddly-squat said:

Boris said:

the system can handle the speeds. otherwise they wouldn’t offer the higher speeds. the ISP pay a fixed rate for the maximum speed. so rates should be on data.

but people don’t care about data (most of the data plans are more than large enough for your average home user), they care about speed thus rates are based on bandwidth

It’s another form of throttling and a violation of net neutrality

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Boris said:

the system can handle the speeds. otherwise they wouldn’t offer the higher speeds. the ISP pay a fixed rate for the maximum speed. so rates should be on data.

but people don’t care about data (most of the data plans are more than large enough for your average home user), they care about speed thus rates are based on bandwidth

It’s another form of throttling and a violation of net neutrality

what rubbish… access to the internet is a service just like power or water or gas… charging for bandwidth is no different to charging for data, and that has been happening since forever…

Net neutrality is about ISPs blocking access to certain parts of the internet – something that has also been happening since day dot

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

but people don’t care about data (most of the data plans are more than large enough for your average home user), they care about speed thus rates are based on bandwidth

It’s another form of throttling and a violation of net neutrality

what rubbish… access to the internet is a service just like power or water or gas… charging for bandwidth is no different to charging for data, and that has been happening since forever…

Net neutrality is about ISPs blocking access to certain parts of the internet – something that has also been happening since day dot

I currently get the best possible speed for my connection and if I switch to the NBN I then have to pay for the best possible speed. Net neutrality is that big business can pay for customers to connect to their website faster than other people who can’t afford to pay the money.

mcgoon said:

The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

All of the glossy colour pamphlets just say ‘contact an ISP’, and that’s it, like it happens by magic. However, i think it’s been mentioned here that there’s more to it than that.

For instance, none of the ‘literature’ says that an NBN installer will have to call on us, which i’m sure has been mentioned here .As well, i understand that there’s equipment to purchase, although that’s probably another surprise that NBN Co. and ISPs are keeping up their sleeve until they’ve got you on the line.

I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

Which NBN ISP is best? Which did you choose?

I’ve (pre-NBN, ADSL 2+) been with IINET on an plan that includes:
200 GB per month. November was a big usage month for me at 40.5 GB
Home phone, including national calls and calls to Australian mobiles.
$80 per month.

The only IINET NBN plan that includes all that costs much more: $120 per month.
The cheapest one that includes national calls is $80 per month and I’d have to PAYG on calls to mobiles on top of that.

ie. IINET NBN is not good enough.

What is better?

mollwollfumble said:

mcgoon said:

The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

All of the glossy colour pamphlets just say ‘contact an ISP’, and that’s it, like it happens by magic. However, i think it’s been mentioned here that there’s more to it than that.

For instance, none of the ‘literature’ says that an NBN installer will have to call on us, which i’m sure has been mentioned here .As well, i understand that there’s equipment to purchase, although that’s probably another surprise that NBN Co. and ISPs are keeping up their sleeve until they’ve got you on the line.

I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

Which NBN ISP is best? Which did you choose?

I’ve (pre-NBN, ADSL 2+) been with IINET on an plan that includes:
200 GB per month. November was a big usage month for me at 40.5 GB
Home phone, including national calls and calls to Australian mobiles.
$80 per month.

The only IINET NBN plan that includes all that costs much more: $120 per month.
The cheapest one that includes national calls is $80 per month and I’d have to PAYG on calls to mobiles on top of that.

ie. IINET NBN is not good enough.

What is better?

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

mcgoon said:

The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

All of the glossy colour pamphlets just say ‘contact an ISP’, and that’s it, like it happens by magic. However, i think it’s been mentioned here that there’s more to it than that.

For instance, none of the ‘literature’ says that an NBN installer will have to call on us, which i’m sure has been mentioned here .As well, i understand that there’s equipment to purchase, although that’s probably another surprise that NBN Co. and ISPs are keeping up their sleeve until they’ve got you on the line.

I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

Which NBN ISP is best? Which did you choose?

I’ve (pre-NBN, ADSL 2+) been with IINET on an plan that includes:
200 GB per month. November was a big usage month for me at 40.5 GB
Home phone, including national calls and calls to Australian mobiles.
$80 per month.

The only IINET NBN plan that includes all that costs much more: $120 per month.
The cheapest one that includes national calls is $80 per month and I’d have to PAYG on calls to mobiles on top of that.

ie. IINET NBN is not good enough.

What is better?

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

I get 1TB @ 100Mbps for $90/month in the Styx so you should be able to find something better in the city surely?

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

mcgoon said:

The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

All of the glossy colour pamphlets just say ‘contact an ISP’, and that’s it, like it happens by magic. However, i think it’s been mentioned here that there’s more to it than that.

For instance, none of the ‘literature’ says that an NBN installer will have to call on us, which i’m sure has been mentioned here .As well, i understand that there’s equipment to purchase, although that’s probably another surprise that NBN Co. and ISPs are keeping up their sleeve until they’ve got you on the line.

I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

Which NBN ISP is best? Which did you choose?

I’ve (pre-NBN, ADSL 2+) been with IINET on an plan that includes:
200 GB per month. November was a big usage month for me at 40.5 GB
Home phone, including national calls and calls to Australian mobiles.
$80 per month.

The only IINET NBN plan that includes all that costs much more: $120 per month.
The cheapest one that includes national calls is $80 per month and I’d have to PAYG on calls to mobiles on top of that.

ie. IINET NBN is not good enough.

What is better?

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

I think what you will find is the market will trend towards plans that all have unlimited data but where priced is based solely on bandwidth.

TIIFP

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

Which NBN ISP is best? Which did you choose?

I’ve (pre-NBN, ADSL 2+) been with IINET on an plan that includes:
200 GB per month. November was a big usage month for me at 40.5 GB
Home phone, including national calls and calls to Australian mobiles.
$80 per month.

The only IINET NBN plan that includes all that costs much more: $120 per month.
The cheapest one that includes national calls is $80 per month and I’d have to PAYG on calls to mobiles on top of that.

ie. IINET NBN is not good enough.

What is better?

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

I think what you will find is the market will trend towards plans that all have unlimited data but where priced is based solely on bandwidth.

TIIFP

that’s what we get offered here

stumpy_seahorse said:

diddly-squat said:

Cymek said:

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

I think what you will find is the market will trend towards plans that all have unlimited data but where priced is based solely on bandwidth.

TIIFP

that’s what we get offered here

I’ve not looked in a while as our area isn’t due anytime soon to be connected.

poikilotherm said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

Which NBN ISP is best? Which did you choose?

I’ve (pre-NBN, ADSL 2+) been with IINET on an plan that includes:
200 GB per month. November was a big usage month for me at 40.5 GB
Home phone, including national calls and calls to Australian mobiles.
$80 per month.

The only IINET NBN plan that includes all that costs much more: $120 per month.
The cheapest one that includes national calls is $80 per month and I’d have to PAYG on calls to mobiles on top of that.

ie. IINET NBN is not good enough.

What is better?

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

I get 1TB @ 100Mbps for $90/month in the Styx so you should be able to find something better in the city surely?

that’s a great plan…

We can’t get NBN but I just connected the new address and we get a standard ADSL2+ (25Mbps) connection with limitless (unthrottled) data for $90/month (this also includes home line rental and free standard local and national calls)

Cymek said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

diddly-squat said:

I think what you will find is the market will trend towards plans that all have unlimited data but where priced is based solely on bandwidth.

TIIFP

that’s what we get offered here

I’ve not looked in a while as our area isn’t due anytime soon to be connected.

Mrs SS has been sorting all that recently as we are due to be hooked up soon

Just checked my address then and its planned for July-December 2018

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

mcgoon said:

The NBN is now availabe to us. So a lot of bumph from NBN Co and others is telling us.

All of the glossy colour pamphlets just say ‘contact an ISP’, and that’s it, like it happens by magic. However, i think it’s been mentioned here that there’s more to it than that.

For instance, none of the ‘literature’ says that an NBN installer will have to call on us, which i’m sure has been mentioned here .As well, i understand that there’s equipment to purchase, although that’s probably another surprise that NBN Co. and ISPs are keeping up their sleeve until they’ve got you on the line.

I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Clarifications, expansions, or corrections, anyone?

Which NBN ISP is best? Which did you choose?

I’ve (pre-NBN, ADSL 2+) been with IINET on an plan that includes:
200 GB per month. November was a big usage month for me at 40.5 GB
Home phone, including national calls and calls to Australian mobiles.
$80 per month.

The only IINET NBN plan that includes all that costs much more: $120 per month.
The cheapest one that includes national calls is $80 per month and I’d have to PAYG on calls to mobiles on top of that.

ie. IINET NBN is not good enough.

What is better?

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

Not even sure about better speed. Let’s see

The broadband speed options are Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 4 or Tier 5.
ADSL 2+ is a max of 24 Mbit/s.
Tier 1 is 12 MBit/s – only half the speed on non-NBN
Tier 2 is 25 MBit/s – same speed as non-NBN (Tier 3, if it exists, is the same)
Tier 4 is 50 MBit/s = twice speed of non-NBN
Tier 5 is 100 MBit/s = four times speed.

Then is there a difference between an “NBN router” and an “NBN modem” in the home.
If BYO Modem – can I re-use my ADSL2+ modem?
What’s the difference between a wireless and a wired modem? My present ADSL2+ is both – hardwired to the house but wifi enabled for remote devices.

If there a difference between a home phone and an “NBN phone”?

Should I stick to the four major players, or consider others?

>I also understand that NBN Co and/or installers are paid by the number of visits they make to a house, not by the number of connections they install, so we should expect at least 2 or 3 occasions on which we’ll have to set aside time to sit and wait for them – it won’t be finished on the first visit.

Doesn’t sound right. Although guys that rocked up here on the appointed day only had satellite gear with them and had to do a 160Km trip to get back with the wireless stuff the same day.

I’m using Ant Communications…

Unlimited download, voip phone connection thrown in.. $89 per month.

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

Cymek said:

From what I saw most plans are significantly more expensive with the NBN with less data allowance, calls and so with the probably bonus of better speed.

I get 1TB @ 100Mbps for $90/month in the Styx so you should be able to find something better in the city surely?

that’s a great plan…

We can’t get NBN but I just connected the new address and we get a standard ADSL2+ (25Mbps) connection with limitless (unthrottled) data for $90/month (this also includes home line rental and free standard local and national calls)

But not calls to mobiles, I take it.

mollwollfumble said:

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

I get 1TB @ 100Mbps for $90/month in the Styx so you should be able to find something better in the city surely?

that’s a great plan…

We can’t get NBN but I just connected the new address and we get a standard ADSL2+ (25Mbps) connection with limitless (unthrottled) data for $90/month (this also includes home line rental and free standard local and national calls)

But not calls to mobiles, I take it.

How does the best speed our NBN offers compare to other nations I wonder.
If Tier 5 is only 4 times faster than ADSL2 that not very good at all

mollwollfumble said:

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

I get 1TB @ 100Mbps for $90/month in the Styx so you should be able to find something better in the city surely?

that’s a great plan…

We can’t get NBN but I just connected the new address and we get a standard ADSL2+ (25Mbps) connection with limitless (unthrottled) data for $90/month (this also includes home line rental and free standard local and national calls)

But not calls to mobiles, I take it.

it included mobile calls as well…

https://www.iinet.net.au/internet-products/broadband/adsl/

diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

diddly-squat said:

that’s a great plan…

We can’t get NBN but I just connected the new address and we get a standard ADSL2+ (25Mbps) connection with limitless (unthrottled) data for $90/month (this also includes home line rental and free standard local and national calls)

But not calls to mobiles, I take it.

I imagine most ISP’s wouldn’t give free calls to mobiles as that would probably cost them, local calls if people actually make them anymore would cost very little

Seems my area should be started within 3 years.

Shan’t hold my breath.

So far one vote for Ant and one for Styx. Both plans $89-90 per month.

Suppose I want:
Tier 2 or better
50 GB/month or better
Home phone with free national calls Prefer also free mobile calls
Modem direct connect that allows other devices to connect in by wifi.

I’m far from sure whether I can wifi in the home phone, or whether I need a long cable.

Cymek said:

How does the best speed our NBN offers compare to other nations I wonder.
If Tier 5 is only 4 times faster than ADSL2 that not very good at all

100bBps is pretty good, if you can get it. My FTTN sync speed is ~50Mbps, although I’m paying for 100Mbps, I assume the slower speeds would be even worse.

poikilotherm said:

Cymek said:

How does the best speed our NBN offers compare to other nations I wonder.
If Tier 5 is only 4 times faster than ADSL2 that not very good at all

100bBps is pretty good, if you can get it. My FTTN sync speed is ~50Mbps, although I’m paying for 100Mbps, I assume the slower speeds would be even worse.

For now perhaps but I wonder how future proof it is.
Could our NBN cope with streaming 4k tv plus normal browsing in your average household

mollwollfumble said:

So far one vote for Ant and one for Styx. Both plans $89-90 per month.

Suppose I want:
Tier 2 or better
50 GB/month or better
Home phone with free national calls Prefer also free mobile calls
Modem direct connect that allows other devices to connect in by wifi.

I’m far from sure whether I can wifi in the home phone, or whether I need a long cable.

The smallest Telstra plan I’ve seen is 100GB. All PAYG phone use.

Cymek said:

poikilotherm said:

Cymek said:

How does the best speed our NBN offers compare to other nations I wonder.
If Tier 5 is only 4 times faster than ADSL2 that not very good at all

100bBps is pretty good, if you can get it. My FTTN sync speed is ~50Mbps, although I’m paying for 100Mbps, I assume the slower speeds would be even worse.

For now perhaps but I wonder how future proof it is.
Could our NBN cope with streaming 4k tv plus normal browsing in your average household

it will largely depend on the kinds of compression algorithms that are used by streaming services…

Cymek said:

poikilotherm said:

Cymek said:

How does the best speed our NBN offers compare to other nations I wonder.
If Tier 5 is only 4 times faster than ADSL2 that not very good at all

100bBps is pretty good, if you can get it. My FTTN sync speed is ~50Mbps, although I’m paying for 100Mbps, I assume the slower speeds would be even worse.

For now perhaps but I wonder how future proof it is.
Could our NBN cope with streaming 4k tv plus normal browsing in your average household

Streams fine atm..

We recently got NBN here.

Ours is FTTN.

I contacted our ADSL ISP (Dodo) as they seemed to have a reasonable NBN plan – Unlimited data at 25meg per sec plus phne calls for about $84 per mth. This was actually several dollars less than i’d been paying them for ADSL. Had to pay them a once-off $90 ‘just-because-we-bloody-say-so’ fee, of course, but it was less than other ISPs set-up costs.

As it’s FTTN, they sent an NBN modem thingy to me, which i;m ‘renting’ from them at $nil per mth. If i leave Dodo, i have to return it to them. Meh.

Once Dodo advised me that the NBN service was now available to me at the node, i just swapped the ADSL modem out, put in the NBN one. It worked. They then disconnected ADSL shortly thereafter. No visits from installers necessary.

Disadvantage of NBN – your phone landline has to be routed through the NBN modem. Internet failures will take out the landline as well. That said, it seems quite reliable.

mcgoon said:

We recently got NBN here.

Ours is FTTN.

I contacted our ADSL ISP (Dodo) as they seemed to have a reasonable NBN plan – Unlimited data at 25meg per sec plus phne calls for about $84 per mth. This was actually several dollars less than i’d been paying them for ADSL. Had to pay them a once-off $90 ‘just-because-we-bloody-say-so’ fee, of course, but it was less than other ISPs set-up costs.

As it’s FTTN, they sent an NBN modem thingy to me, which i;m ‘renting’ from them at $nil per mth. If i leave Dodo, i have to return it to them. Meh.

Once Dodo advised me that the NBN service was now available to me at the node, i just swapped the ADSL modem out, put in the NBN one. It worked. They then disconnected ADSL shortly thereafter. No visits from installers necessary.

Disadvantage of NBN – your phone landline has to be routed through the NBN modem. Internet failures will take out the landline as well. That said, it seems quite reliable.

That sounds rather painless, and most people have mobile phone for calls anyway. The only people who call our landline are our parents and people flogging stuff

mcgoon said:

We recently got NBN here.

Ours is FTTN.

I contacted our ADSL ISP (Dodo) as they seemed to have a reasonable NBN plan – Unlimited data at 25meg per sec plus phne calls for about $84 per mth. This was actually several dollars less than i’d been paying them for ADSL. Had to pay them a once-off $90 ‘just-because-we-bloody-say-so’ fee, of course, but it was less than other ISPs set-up costs.

As it’s FTTN, they sent an NBN modem thingy to me, which i;m ‘renting’ from them at $nil per mth. If i leave Dodo, i have to return it to them. Meh.

Once Dodo advised me that the NBN service was now available to me at the node, i just swapped the ADSL modem out, put in the NBN one. It worked. They then disconnected ADSL shortly thereafter. No visits from installers necessary.

Disadvantage of NBN – your phone landline has to be routed through the NBN modem. Internet failures will take out the landline as well. That said, it seems quite reliable.

The only NBN I can get here is satellite but it is reliable except when heavy cloud occludes the signal.
15GB/month for $45, can’t remember the speed.

I have no idea what we’re on at work as all that is organised by IT and not me :) However the problems we had were that the rats chewed through the cords in the ceiling and we ended up with a new phone number.

There were a few issues getting the installer out here to do whatever but I blame communication breakdown as no one really knew what was going on.

mcgoon said:

We recently got NBN here.

Ours is FTTN.

I contacted our ADSL ISP (Dodo) as they seemed to have a reasonable NBN plan – Unlimited data at 25meg per sec plus phne calls for about $84 per mth. This was actually several dollars less than i’d been paying them for ADSL. Had to pay them a once-off $90 ‘just-because-we-bloody-say-so’ fee, of course, but it was less than other ISPs set-up costs.

As it’s FTTN, they sent an NBN modem thingy to me, which i;m ‘renting’ from them at $nil per mth. If i leave Dodo, i have to return it to them. Meh.

Once Dodo advised me that the NBN service was now available to me at the node, i just swapped the ADSL modem out, put in the NBN one. It worked. They then disconnected ADSL shortly thereafter. No visits from installers necessary.

Disadvantage of NBN – your phone landline has to be routed through the NBN modem. Internet failures will take out the landline as well. That said, it seems quite reliable.

Free modem from Tel$tra, no one off fee, but PAYG phone calls.. but who uses a land line other than buffy anyway

poikilotherm said:

mcgoon said:

We recently got NBN here.

Ours is FTTN.

I contacted our ADSL ISP (Dodo) as they seemed to have a reasonable NBN plan – Unlimited data at 25meg per sec plus phne calls for about $84 per mth. This was actually several dollars less than i’d been paying them for ADSL. Had to pay them a once-off $90 ‘just-because-we-bloody-say-so’ fee, of course, but it was less than other ISPs set-up costs.

As it’s FTTN, they sent an NBN modem thingy to me, which i;m ‘renting’ from them at $nil per mth. If i leave Dodo, i have to return it to them. Meh.

Once Dodo advised me that the NBN service was now available to me at the node, i just swapped the ADSL modem out, put in the NBN one. It worked. They then disconnected ADSL shortly thereafter. No visits from installers necessary.

Disadvantage of NBN – your phone landline has to be routed through the NBN modem. Internet failures will take out the landline as well. That said, it seems quite reliable.

Free modem from Tel$tra, no one off fee, but PAYG phone calls.. but who uses a land line other than buffy anyway

I have retained my landline bundled with my NBN account. Mobiles are too subject to bad weather here.

I’m beginning to wonder about Teleron.

iiNet gives a choice of 7 plans.

Teleron gives a choice of 56 plans. Essentially I dial in my desired – download limit, speed, and telephone options – and it gives me a price.

50 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Australia comes to $69/month.
A direct equivalent of our present $80/month ADSL2+ plan comes to $74/month with Teleron.
Stepping up to the next higher speed Tier 4 would cost an extra $10/month.
Even the top plan with unlimited data, international phone calls and speed comes to just $115/month.

Let’s look at Dodo.

50 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Australia comes to $65/month. And free modem on a 24 month plan.

Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Free modem from Tel$tra, no one off fee, but PAYG phone calls.. but who uses a land line other than buffy anyway

I have retained my landline bundled with my NBN account. Mobiles are too subject to bad weather here.

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

poikilotherm said:

mcgoon said:

We recently got NBN here.

Ours is FTTN.

I contacted our ADSL ISP (Dodo) as they seemed to have a reasonable NBN plan – Unlimited data at 25meg per sec plus phne calls for about $84 per mth. This was actually several dollars less than i’d been paying them for ADSL. Had to pay them a once-off $90 ‘just-because-we-bloody-say-so’ fee, of course, but it was less than other ISPs set-up costs.

As it’s FTTN, they sent an NBN modem thingy to me, which i;m ‘renting’ from them at $nil per mth. If i leave Dodo, i have to return it to them. Meh.

Once Dodo advised me that the NBN service was now available to me at the node, i just swapped the ADSL modem out, put in the NBN one. It worked. They then disconnected ADSL shortly thereafter. No visits from installers necessary.

Disadvantage of NBN – your phone landline has to be routed through the NBN modem. Internet failures will take out the landline as well. That said, it seems quite reliable.

Free modem from Tel$tra, no one off fee, but PAYG phone calls.. but who uses a land line other than buffy anyway

we’re going with the upgraded modem that you pay a bit extra for

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Free modem from Tel$tra, no one off fee, but PAYG phone calls.. but who uses a land line other than buffy anyway

I have retained my landline bundled with my NBN account. Mobiles are too subject to bad weather here.

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

Every cyclone the mobiles go out for a week or however long it takes to gt power on to the towers. Landline still works.
After Yasi I had a queue of people asking if they could use my phone. Power was out & the creeks flooded.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

I have retained my landline bundled with my NBN account. Mobiles are too subject to bad weather here.

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

Every cyclone the mobiles go out for a week or however long it takes to gt power on to the towers. Landline still works.
After Yasi I had a queue of people asking if they could use my phone. Power was out & the creeks flooded.

Be nice to have my phone not work for a week ;)

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Free modem from Tel$tra, no one off fee, but PAYG phone calls.. but who uses a land line other than buffy anyway

I have retained my landline bundled with my NBN account. Mobiles are too subject to bad weather here.

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

Our mobiles are cheaper than our landline for calls…

poikilotherm said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

Every cyclone the mobiles go out for a week or however long it takes to gt power on to the towers. Landline still works.
After Yasi I had a queue of people asking if they could use my phone. Power was out & the creeks flooded.

Be nice to have my phone not work for a week ;)

Yasi was so big I could go online in the eye as the dish could see the satellite. Landline was fine, mobiles were cactus.

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

poikilotherm said:

Free modem from Tel$tra, no one off fee, but PAYG phone calls.. but who uses a land line other than buffy anyway

I have retained my landline bundled with my NBN account. Mobiles are too subject to bad weather here.

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

poikilotherm said:

Our mobiles are cheaper than our landline for calls…

Why not get an internet deal with unlimited land-line calls included?

diddly-squat said:

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

Only if you pay a fairly high lump sum/month. For me a flat fee for landline + Internet with pay per call mobile works out way cheaper than paying a fixed monthly fee for the mobile.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

Only if you pay a fairly high lump sum/month. For me a flat fee for landline + Internet with pay per call mobile works out way cheaper than paying a fixed monthly fee for the mobile.

I pay $75pa for my mobile with no call charges. There is probably a limit but I don’t know what it is.

mollwollfumble said:

I’m beginning to wonder about Teleron.

iiNet gives a choice of 7 plans.

Teleron gives a choice of 56 plans. Essentially I dial in my desired – download limit, speed, and telephone options – and it gives me a price.

50 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Australia comes to $69/month.
A direct equivalent of our present $80/month ADSL2+ plan comes to $74/month with Teleron.
Stepping up to the next higher speed Tier 4 would cost an extra $10/month.
Even the top plan with unlimited data, international phone calls and speed comes to just $115/month.

Let’s look at Dodo.

50 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Australia comes to $65/month. And free modem on a 24 month plan.

What the heck. Just priced Exetel.

100 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Aus & abroad comes to $50/month. And free modem on an 18 month plan.

The Rev Dodgson said:

poikilotherm said:

Our mobiles are cheaper than our landline for calls…

Why not get an internet deal with unlimited land-line calls included?

I don’t often buy things I don’t use.

The Rev Dodgson said:

poikilotherm said:

Our mobiles are cheaper than our landline for calls…

Why not get an internet deal with unlimited land-line calls included?

Exactly what I want to do.

diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

I have retained my landline bundled with my NBN account. Mobiles are too subject to bad weather here.

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

What – is – capped?

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

Only if you pay a fairly high lump sum/month. For me a flat fee for landline + Internet with pay per call mobile works out way cheaper than paying a fixed monthly fee for the mobile.

umm.. not really

my land line has free local, national and mobile calls and no line rental + unlimited ADSL2+ data for $90/month

my mobile is $40/month (+$25/month for the handset) and has unlimiet local and national calls and id free to other mobils on the network…

doesn’t seem like a very high price to pay

mollwollfumble said:

diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

What – is – capped?

unlimited calls for a set price per month…

mollwollfumble said:

diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

“Who uses landline?” Huh? Everyone without an infinite amount of money uses landline.
Me included.
When somebody gives me a good reason to switch to mobile then I will. But so far, cordless has been perfect for my needs.

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

What – is – capped?

unlimited calls for a set price per month…

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m beginning to wonder about Teleron.

iiNet gives a choice of 7 plans.

Teleron gives a choice of 56 plans. Essentially I dial in my desired – download limit, speed, and telephone options – and it gives me a price.

50 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Australia comes to $69/month.
A direct equivalent of our present $80/month ADSL2+ plan comes to $74/month with Teleron.
Stepping up to the next higher speed Tier 4 would cost an extra $10/month.
Even the top plan with unlimited data, international phone calls and speed comes to just $115/month.

Let’s look at Dodo.

50 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Australia comes to $65/month. And free modem on a 24 month plan.

What the heck. Just priced Exetel.

100 GB with Tier 2 and unlimited calls in Aus & abroad comes to $50/month. And free modem on an 18 month plan.

That makes more sense. Exetel is actually $60/month. still darn good.

Dodo? They get some extremely bad reviews.
How do you find them capn?

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

Only if you pay a fairly high lump sum/month. For me a flat fee for landline + Internet with pay per call mobile works out way cheaper than paying a fixed monthly fee for the mobile.

umm.. not really

my land line has free local, national and mobile calls and no line rental + unlimited ADSL2+ data for $90/month

my mobile is $40/month (+$25/month for the handset) and has unlimiet local and national calls and id free to other mobils on the network…

doesn’t seem like a very high price to pay

Not a huge amount, but it’s about 10 times my average monthly expenditure on mobile calls.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

cost for phone calls are essentially completely capped these days irrespective of if it’s from a mobile or fixed line… it’s all about data usage…

Only if you pay a fairly high lump sum/month. For me a flat fee for landline + Internet with pay per call mobile works out way cheaper than paying a fixed monthly fee for the mobile.

umm.. not really

my land line has free local, national and mobile calls and no line rental + unlimited ADSL2+ data for $90/month

my mobile is $40/month (+$25/month for the handset) and has unlimiet local and national calls and id free to other mobils on the network…

doesn’t seem like a very high price to pay

You wouldn’t prefer $60/month?

That includes free local, national, mobile and some international calls and no line rental + 100 GB/month NBN at ADSL2+ speeds.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Only if you pay a fairly high lump sum/month. For me a flat fee for landline + Internet with pay per call mobile works out way cheaper than paying a fixed monthly fee for the mobile.

umm.. not really

my land line has free local, national and mobile calls and no line rental + unlimited ADSL2+ data for $90/month

my mobile is $40/month (+$25/month for the handset) and has unlimiet local and national calls and id free to other mobils on the network…

doesn’t seem like a very high price to pay

Not a huge amount, but it’s about 10 times my average monthly expenditure on mobile calls.

do you not own a smart phone??

Ian said:

Dodo? They get some extremely bad reviews.
How do you find them capn?

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

mollwollfumble said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Only if you pay a fairly high lump sum/month. For me a flat fee for landline + Internet with pay per call mobile works out way cheaper than paying a fixed monthly fee for the mobile.

umm.. not really

my land line has free local, national and mobile calls and no line rental + unlimited ADSL2+ data for $90/month

my mobile is $40/month (+$25/month for the handset) and has unlimiet local and national calls and id free to other mobils on the network…

doesn’t seem like a very high price to pay

You wouldn’t prefer $60/month?

That includes free local, national, mobile and some international calls and no line rental + 100 GB/month NBN at ADSL2+ speeds.

I can’t get NBN in my area and 100GB/month would vanish in an instant our house…

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

umm.. not really

my land line has free local, national and mobile calls and no line rental + unlimited ADSL2+ data for $90/month

my mobile is $40/month (+$25/month for the handset) and has unlimiet local and national calls and id free to other mobils on the network…

doesn’t seem like a very high price to pay

Not a huge amount, but it’s about 10 times my average monthly expenditure on mobile calls.

do you not own a smart phone??

I don’t even own a dumb mobile phone.

activ8me nbn fixed wireless. 25mbps, usually get around 23, slowest around 10. 250 gigs data. no phone. nbn modem free. configured my own router. $60 per month.

diddly-squat said:

I can’t get NBN in my area and 100GB/month would vanish in an instant our house…

It did when my daughter was at home, too. But on my own even downloading huge databases of Antarctic terrain only uses 20 to 40 GB per month.

Just imagine having to store 100 GB/month on your computer. Ugh. Files like that are too big to do anything with. Excel, Notepad, Wordpad, Word all die at under 1 GB.

ChrispenEvan said:

activ8me nbn fixed wireless. 25mbps, usually get around 23, slowest around 10. 250 gigs data. no phone. nbn modem free. configured my own router. $60 per month.

Nice. Will check out. Oh wait, satellite NBN?

mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

activ8me nbn fixed wireless. 25mbps, usually get around 23, slowest around 10. 250 gigs data. no phone. nbn modem free. configured my own router. $60 per month.

Nice. Will check out. Oh wait, satellite NBN?

no fixed wireless. and if you can get FTTN or FTTP then you wont be eligible for fixed wireless.

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Dodo? They get some extremely bad reviews.
How do you find them capn?

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I am with Exetel, for the most part they are pretty good, occasionally the network has periods of really poor speeds

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Dodo? They get some extremely bad reviews.
How do you find them capn?

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I’m rethinking Exetel. $60 per month for more than I want seems an incredible bargain but:

Reviews on http://www.productreview.com.au/c/internet-service-providers.html

Exetel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Dodo: eeek 82% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Teleron: only 3 reviews (as against 200 for Exetel and 1500 for Dodo) – pot luck.

SpinTel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

myNetFone: 80% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Southern Phone: 74% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”

iiNet: 77% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Perhaps I need to keep looking.

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Dodo? They get some extremely bad reviews.
How do you find them capn?

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I am with Exetel, for the most part they are pretty good, occasionally the network has periods of really poor speeds

Thanks for that vote of confidence. That may tip the scales.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Dodo? They get some extremely bad reviews.
How do you find them capn?

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I’m rethinking Exetel. $60 per month for more than I want seems an incredible bargain but:

Reviews on http://www.productreview.com.au/c/internet-service-providers.html

Exetel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Dodo: eeek 82% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Teleron: only 3 reviews (as against 200 for Exetel and 1500 for Dodo) – pot luck.

SpinTel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

myNetFone: 80% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Southern Phone: 74% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”

iiNet: 77% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Perhaps I need to keep looking.

If you have to go satellite try Skymesh. I’ve been with them for years & they are always helpful. Their helpdesk is in Oz & is staffed by Aussies so there are no language difficulties.

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

umm.. not really

my land line has free local, national and mobile calls and no line rental + unlimited ADSL2+ data for $90/month

my mobile is $40/month (+$25/month for the handset) and has unlimiet local and national calls and id free to other mobils on the network…

doesn’t seem like a very high price to pay

Not a huge amount, but it’s about 10 times my average monthly expenditure on mobile calls.

do you not own a smart phone??

Yes, although I virtually never use the so-called smart features. I use a pad for internet on he rare occasions when I don’t have a computer with me.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I’m rethinking Exetel. $60 per month for more than I want seems an incredible bargain but:

Reviews on http://www.productreview.com.au/c/internet-service-providers.html

Exetel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Dodo: eeek 82% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Teleron: only 3 reviews (as against 200 for Exetel and 1500 for Dodo) – pot luck.

SpinTel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

myNetFone: 80% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Southern Phone: 74% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”

iiNet: 77% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Perhaps I need to keep looking.

If you have to go satellite try Skymesh. I’ve been with them for years & they are always helpful. Their helpdesk is in Oz & is staffed by Aussies so there are no language difficulties.

Skymesh startlingly good, according to PC Magazine. But I’m not satellite.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I’m rethinking Exetel. $60 per month for more than I want seems an incredible bargain but:

Reviews on http://www.productreview.com.au/c/internet-service-providers.html

Exetel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Dodo: eeek 82% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Teleron: only 3 reviews (as against 200 for Exetel and 1500 for Dodo) – pot luck.

SpinTel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

myNetFone: 80% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Southern Phone: 74% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”

iiNet: 77% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Perhaps I need to keep looking.

If you have to go satellite try Skymesh. I’ve been with them for years & they are always helpful. Their helpdesk is in Oz & is staffed by Aussies so there are no language difficulties.

wont get satellite if you can get FTTN or FTTP.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Dodo? They get some extremely bad reviews.
How do you find them capn?

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I’m rethinking Exetel. $60 per month for more than I want seems an incredible bargain but:

Reviews on http://www.productreview.com.au/c/internet-service-providers.html

Exetel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Dodo: eeek 82% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Teleron: only 3 reviews (as against 200 for Exetel and 1500 for Dodo) – pot luck.

SpinTel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

myNetFone: 80% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Southern Phone: 74% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”

iiNet: 77% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Perhaps I need to keep looking.

Keeping looking

Optus: 78% “terrible”
Telsetra: 75% “terrible”

So perhaps the 70% “terrible” rating for Exetel wasn’t so bad after all. Thanks Cymek.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m even less sure about Exetel.

I’m rethinking Exetel. $60 per month for more than I want seems an incredible bargain but:

Reviews on http://www.productreview.com.au/c/internet-service-providers.html

Exetel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Dodo: eeek 82% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Teleron: only 3 reviews (as against 200 for Exetel and 1500 for Dodo) – pot luck.

SpinTel: 70% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

myNetFone: 80% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Southern Phone: 74% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”

iiNet: 77% of reviewers gave it a rating of “terrible”.

Perhaps I need to keep looking.

Keeping looking

Optus: 78% “terrible”
Telsetra: 75% “terrible”

So perhaps the 70% “terrible” rating for Exetel wasn’t so bad after all. Thanks Cymek.

Supposedly Exetel oversell their network capacity in some areas and at peaks times the network struggles to give decent speeds, I can’t confirm this but have read comments by other customers stating this. This is all non NBN though so it could be a whole different ball game with that concern