How much do they contribute to the work of reality.
Chuck in a few examples (of humans for starters)
Being social requires privacy.
Humans are monogamous because they are polyamorous.
Norms are resented when imposed.
transition said:
How much do they contribute to the work of reality.Chuck in a few examples (of humans for starters)
Being social requires privacy.
Humans are monogamous because they are polyamorous.
Norms are resented when imposed.
For contradictory requirements, I always think of the term “doublethink” from George Orwell’s “1984”. “Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one’s mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance — thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.”
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.
Examples of “war is peace” include the peacemaker colt, the peacekeeper missile, the cold war. etc.
The next thing I think of is oxymorons. In particular “military intelligence”, also the “great depression”, “jumbo shrimp”, “cruel to be kind”, “act naturally”, etc. There’s a superb listing of oxymorons that helps to clarify social paradoxes on http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-oxymorons.html
Then on top of that, I notice that Trump is tilting at one of the greatest contradictory/paradoxical requirements right now: the one China policy. For many years, the USA and other countries have had the paradox of acknowledging China’s territorial claim of Taiwan at the same time as, with real battleships, protecting Taiwan from China.
You can take that further to the TV series “Holidays in countries that don’t exist”.
Still in the arena of politics and warfare is “the great lie”.
Another contradictory/paradoxical requirement is “truth in advertising”.
Then there’s Santa Claus. A belief in Santa Claus brings cash rewards to children. In the same bucket you could add Halloween, ghost tours, other financially rewarding lies for the tourists.
On top of that, there’s the superhero paradox. We don’t believe in superheros, yet people know and react to superheros as if they were real.
Another contradictory/paradoxical of current society is “the news”.
Is that enough for now?
I keep thinking of more examples.
“You can’t win, you can’t break even and you can’t quit the game”. But every major western philosophy is based on the idea that you can win – capitalism, break even – communism, or quit the game – spiritualism.
The president of the US is kept completely isolated from the people he rules.
Success breeds jealousy, jealousy breeds competition, competition breeds security, security breeds secrecy, secrecy breeds corruption, corruption breeds failure.
Casinos and the war on drugs are taxes on crime.
Education prepares children for work by keeping them away from work.
Famous people are held up as role models.
Legal system
mollwollfumble said:
Legal system
yeah suppose the law criminalizes, but’s often forget it protects that lawful (even and perhaps particularly of those that committed a crime)
transition said:
mollwollfumble said:
Legal system
yeah suppose the law criminalizes, but’s often forget it protects that lawful (even and perhaps particularly of those that committed a crime)
Scratches head.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
mollwollfumble said:
Legal system
yeah suppose the law criminalizes, but’s often forget it protects that lawful (even and perhaps particularly of those that committed a crime)
Scratches head.
protects a person that has commited a criminal act from further whatevers(arbitrary stuff). Limits punishment, retribution.
that you did a bad thing does not make all else by association bad too. That sort of thing. Proper process, fair process
transition said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:yeah suppose the law criminalizes, but’s often forget it protects that lawful (even and perhaps particularly of those that committed a crime)
Scratches head.
protects a person that has commited a criminal act from further whatevers(arbitrary stuff). Limits punishment, retribution.
that you did a bad thing does not make all else by association bad too. That sort of thing. Proper process, fair process
OK, I’d go along with that.
Violent behavior in Football matches vs Violent Behavior on the street
Pedophile priests
Law abiding religious people who respect other peoples rights
but are willing to interfere with the the rights of homosexuals, women who want abortions and elderly who want euthanasia
The people most valued in society (with a few exceptions) contribute the least value and if the world was thrown into crisis wouldn’t be much use except as labour
Government exempt from being sued or held accountable for outright lies and corruption yet impose that on the rest of the population (with the exception of their friends)
Only “bad” guys commit war crimes.
The Hypocrisy of Religion in Modern Society
basically an observation that people committing adultery while going to church every Sunday
The Truth about Hypocrisy Charges of hypocrisy can be surprisingly irrelevant and oft
FORMER U.S. VICE PRESIDENT Al Gore urges us all to reduce our carbon footprint, yet he regularly flies in a private jet. Former drug czar William Bennett extols the importance of temperance but is reported to be a habitual gambler. Pastor Ted Haggard preached the virtues of “the clean life” until allegations of methamphetamine use and a taste for male prostitutes arose. Eliot Spitzer prosecuted prostitution rings as attorney general in New York State, but he was later found to be a regular client of one such ring.
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Donald Trump’s Greatest Self-Contradictions
“I have no intention of running for president.” (Time, September 14, 1987)
“I am officially running for president.” (New York, June 16, 2015)
“I don’t want it for myself. I don’t need it for myself.” (ABC News, November 20, 2015)
“I wanted to do this for myself. … I had to do it for myself.” (Time, August 18, 2015)
“Politicians are all talk and no action.” (Twitter, May 27, 2015)
“I’m not a politician.” (CNN, August 11, 2015)
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Cymek said:
Government exempt from being sued or held accountable for outright lies and corruption yet impose that on the rest of the population (with the exception of their friends)Only “bad” guys commit war crimes.
governments (and in fact politicians) are not exempt and are held accountable
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
Government exempt from being sued or held accountable for outright lies and corruption yet impose that on the rest of the population (with the exception of their friends)Only “bad” guys commit war crimes.
governments (and in fact politicians) are not exempt and are held accountable
On rare occasions it seems and usually when someone else wants to bring them down not because they’ve done something wrong
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
Government exempt from being sued or held accountable for outright lies and corruption yet impose that on the rest of the population (with the exception of their friends)Only “bad” guys commit war crimes.
governments (and in fact politicians) are not exempt and are held accountable
On rare occasions it seems and usually when someone else wants to bring them down not because they’ve done something wrong
if a politician dose something that is clearly wrong and gets caught, they rarely survive… if they do something morally questionable and get caught, they are often demoted
if a politician says one thing and does the other, then they often pay the price by being ridiculed by the other side of politics
Tobacco has health warnings, advertisements removed
yet alcohol causes health problems and drink driving deaths yet no health warnings at all
CrazyNeutrino said:
Tobacco has health warnings, advertisements removedyet alcohol causes health problems and drink driving deaths yet no health warnings at all
Cause being a piss head is the Australian way.
They do have alcohol warnings ads on tv though
Cymek said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Tobacco has health warnings, advertisements removedyet alcohol causes health problems and drink driving deaths yet no health warnings at all
Cause being a piss head is the Australian way.
They do have alcohol warnings ads on tv though
Studying contradictions is a great way to learn logic and ethics.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yet its not applied to religion and that’s OK cause you just gotta have faith.
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Tobacco has health warnings, advertisements removedyet alcohol causes health problems and drink driving deaths yet no health warnings at all
Cause being a piss head is the Australian way.
They do have alcohol warnings ads on tv though
Gambling ads give mixed messages.
They do don’t they especially with those apps were you can gamble one handed no matter what else you are doing almost promoting an addiction
Many of the things you have listed are not contradictory, nor paradoxical .
diddly-squat said:
Many of the things you have listed are not contradictory, nor paradoxical .
Such as ?
Cymek said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yet its not applied to religion and that’s OK cause you just gotta have faith.
To preach God exists to people when there is no proof is unethical, to use people vulnerabilities for preaching is also unethical.
There are many contradictions in religion.
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Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Many of the things you have listed are not contradictory, nor paradoxical .Such as ?
*Violent behavior in Football matches vs Violent Behavior on the street *Pedophile priests *The people most valued in society (with a few exceptions) contribute the least value and if the world was thrown into crisis wouldn’t be much use except as labour *On rare occasions it seems and usually when someone else wants to bring them down not because they’ve done something wrong *Tobacco has health warnings, advertisements removed yet alcohol causes health problems and drink driving deaths yet no health warnings at all *Gambling ads give mixed messages
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Many of the things you have listed are not contradictory, nor paradoxical .Such as ?
*Gambling ads give mixed messages
- Violent behavior in Football matches vs Violent Behavior on the street
- Pedophile priests
- The people most valued in society (with a few exceptions) contribute the least value and if the world was thrown into crisis wouldn’t be much use except as labour
- On rare occasions it seems and usually when someone else wants to bring them down not because they’ve done something wrong
- Tobacco has health warnings, advertisements removed yet alcohol causes health problems and drink driving deaths yet no health warnings at all
Now with bullet points
Cymek said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yet its not applied to religion and that’s OK cause you just gotta have faith.
I’ve been a bit so/so about many of the examples listed so far, but I think that really rings true. It’s quite extraordinary that we just accept it without a second thought most of the time.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yet its not applied to religion and that’s OK cause you just gotta have faith.
I’ve been a bit so/so about many of the examples listed so far, but I think that really rings true. It’s quite extraordinary that we just accept it without a second thought most of the time.
I think that is becoming less common though… especially now with large proportions of the population being highly educated
They should have a royal commission into God … that ought to sort it out…
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yet its not applied to religion and that’s OK cause you just gotta have faith.
I’ve been a bit so/so about many of the examples listed so far, but I think that really rings true. It’s quite extraordinary that we just accept it without a second thought most of the time.
I think that is becoming less common though… especially now with large proportions of the population being highly educated
To some extent, but public debate is still full of statements that imply that unquestioning faith is unquestionably good, and these are very rarely questioned.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ve been a bit so/so about many of the examples listed so far, but I think that really rings true. It’s quite extraordinary that we just accept it without a second thought most of the time.
I think that is becoming less common though… especially now with large proportions of the population being highly educated
To some extent, but public debate is still full of statements that imply that unquestioning faith is unquestionably good, and these are very rarely questioned.
If a god was real it should be able to prove it assuming its actually capable of interacting with us.
For something to be a god it would have to be scientific and therefore would want logical thinking and proof not blind faith
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yet its not applied to religion and that’s OK cause you just gotta have faith
the soft fleshy things do require some soft-reality
The claims photocopiers and printer make when they say “toner needs replacing or is nearly empty” and you get a few more thousand pages out of it.
>>For something to be a god it would have to be scientific
Nah, science and spirituality are different paradigms.
You cant set science up as an arbiter on matters religious.
You cant prove God exists by mathematical scribbles on a blackboard, He didn’t make it that easy.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>For something to be a god it would have to be scientificNah, science and spirituality are different paradigms.
You cant set science up as an arbiter on matters religious.
You cant prove God exists by mathematical scribbles on a blackboard, He didn’t make it that easy.
just like you can’t pray for science to work…
Cymek said:
The claims photocopiers and printer make when they say “toner needs replacing or is nearly empty” and you get a few more thousand pages out of it.
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
The claims photocopiers and printer make when they say “toner needs replacing or is nearly empty” and you get a few more thousand pages out of it.
When you partner asks “Does my bum look big in this? Be honest, I won’t be offended”
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>For something to be a god it would have to be scientificNah, science and spirituality are different paradigms.
You cant set science up as an arbiter on matters religious.
You cant prove God exists by mathematical scribbles on a blackboard, He didn’t make it that easy.
just like you can’t pray for science to work…
Yet science works! and it does not involve praying, it involves observation and validation
Praying just wastes time
Ill have to add hypocrisy to the mind map on problems with humans
CrazyNeutrino said:
Ill have to add hypocrisy to the mind map on problems with humans
CrazyNeutrino said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:
Peak Warming Man said:
>>For something to be a god it would have to be scientificNah, science and spirituality are different paradigms.
You cant set science up as an arbiter on matters religious.
You cant prove God exists by mathematical scribbles on a blackboard, He didn’t make it that easy.
just like you can’t pray for science to work…
Yet science works! and it does not involve praying, it involves observation and validation
Praying just wastes time
and… as usual…
Tamb said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Ill have to add hypocrisy to the mind map on problems with humans
If selfdelusion isn’t on there it should be.
yes, ok, reminds me, I’ll add vanity as well as trolls, psychopaths, sadism, narcissism etc
Stumpy_seahorse said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Stumpy_seahorse said:just like you can’t pray for science to work…
Yet science works! and it does not involve praying, it involves observation and validation
Praying just wastes time
and… as usual…
If people want to waste time believing in nothing, and feeling good about it, that fine, its like some spiritual placebo.
You might also want to note that contradiction <> hypocrisy …
furious said:
- Ill have to add hypocrisy to the mind map on problems with humans
You might also want to note that contradiction <> hypocrisy …
It’s often savage
Cymek said:
furious said:
- Ill have to add hypocrisy to the mind map on problems with humans
You might also want to note that contradiction <> hypocrisy …
It’s often savage
savage?
weren’t those the wonder years?..
>weren’t those the wonder years?..
that the handsome yours truly
But then the opposite is also true.
Stumpy_seahorse said:
and… as usual…
More contradictory requirements:
Soul vs soulless. Both are false.
Spirits vs spirits.
The list of oxymorons in my previous link is so good I want to use up bandwidth by posting them here.
Great Depression
Jumbo shrimp
Cruel to be kind
Pain for pleasure
Clearly confused
Act naturally
Beautifully painful
Painfully beautiful
Deafening silence
Pretty ugly
Pretty fierce
Pretty cruel
Definitely maybe
Living dead
Walking dead
Only choice
Amazingly awful
Alone together
Virtual reality
Random order
Original copy
Happy sad
Disgustingly delicious
Run slowly
Awfully good
Awfully delicious
Small crowd
Dark light
Light darkness
Dark snow
Open secret
Passive aggressive
Appear invisible
Awfully lucky
Awfully pretty
Big baby
Tiny elephant
Wake up dead
Goodbye reception
Growing smaller
Least favorite
True myth
Typically weird
Typically odd
Naturally strange
Weirdly normal
Unpopular celebrity
Worthless gold
Sad joy
Liquid food
Heavy diet
Noticeable absence
Quiet presence
Short wait
Sweet agony
Read more at http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-oxymorons.html#8w3vTaFxJU7MJF6K.99
Walking dead
Call them zombies damn it
I see Crazy has been on another roll; did he get anywhere this time?
PermeateFree said:
I see Crazy has been on another roll; did he get anywhere this time?
Not yet. But have a go at his mind maps.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
I see Crazy has been on another roll; did he get anywhere this time?
Not yet. But have a go at his mind maps.
I dont yet fully understand the scope of contradictions, the scope of hypocrisy and most negative bias, still on a learning curve with all of those.
CrazyNeutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
I see Crazy has been on another roll; did he get anywhere this time?
Not yet. But have a go at his mind maps.
I dont yet fully understand the scope of contradictions, the scope of hypocrisy and most negative bias, still on a learning curve with all of those.
But you understand truth, which is a rare talent.
Truth and beauty are all you need, according to Einstein.
mollwollfumble said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:Not yet. But have a go at his mind maps.
I dont yet fully understand the scope of contradictions, the scope of hypocrisy and most negative bias, still on a learning curve with all of those.
But you understand truth, which is a rare talent.
Truth and beauty are all you need, according to Einstein.
I did a CAE http://www.cae.edu.au/ course on philosophy around twenty years ago, the course covered knowing, believing, truth and ethics.
Having some knowledge of truth can give people deeper insight into observation and empathy.