i’ve got my suspicions, about the exploitation of suspicions

the suspicious exploitation of suspicions

what’s it doing to australian culture?

the encouragement of.

of course everyone knows what suspicion is, it’s a human gift such knowing

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suspicion

1.The act of suspecting something or someone, especially of something wrong.
2.The condition of being suspected.
3.Uncertainty, doubt.  
4. A trace, or slight indication.
5.The imagining of something without evidence.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suspicious#English

1. Arousing suspicion.
2. Distrustful or tending to suspect.
3. Expressing suspicion

I’ll tell you now. I absolutely didn’t do it.

It’s a fair cop. I did.

transition said:

i’ve got my suspicions, about the exploitation of suspicions

the suspicious exploitation of suspicions

what’s it doing to Australian culture?

the encouragement of.

That’s a good point. I’m seldom suspicious of my suspicions, and I should be.

The only exploitation of suspicions that I’m aware of is a double bluff technique used sometimes in advertising. Even exploiting of conspiracy theories is seldom a money-making technique.

As for what it’s doing to Australian culture. When suspicion turns into paranoia, or even merely into an obsession, the individuals harbouring those delusions/obsessions have a big influence on culture. In the USA we have the paranoia/obsession of the gun lobby, the intelligence services, the KKK and the xenophobes. In Australia, the xenophobes (ie those frightened of Xenophon) come to mind.

And religion I suppose, suspicion of heathens and vice versa.

quite obviously suspicion has (in practice, and potentially) repressive attributes (people avoid it).

staying above (outside of/away from) suspicion is often important (it’s in the field of adverse attention).

sometimes amplification of it becomes part of state policy (and of the instruments of ideology more broadly).

in WW2 in Germany such a thing ventured a grotesque dimension. Similarly in East Germany into decades following.

there are of course many examples.

transition said:

quite obviously suspicion has (in practice, and potentially) repressive attributes (people avoid it).

staying above (outside of/away from) suspicion is often important (it’s in the field of adverse attention).

sometimes amplification of it becomes part of state policy (and of the instruments of ideology more broadly).

in WW2 in Germany such a thing ventured a grotesque dimension. Similarly in East Germany into decades following.

there are of course many examples.

The current goings on are causing much speculative suscpicions.

transition said:

i’ve got my suspicions, about the exploitation of suspicions

the suspicious exploitation of suspicions

what’s it doing to australian culture?

the encouragement of.

I suspect that suppositions on suppositions will lead to an unhealthy infinite regression.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

i’ve got my suspicions, about the exploitation of suspicions

the suspicious exploitation of suspicions

what’s it doing to australian culture?

the encouragement of.

I suspect that suppositions on suppositions will lead to an unhealthy infinite regression.

context, dumb was reading various media reports about the new data cross matching, then went to here..

http://mediahub.humanservices.gov.au/news/welfare-cheat-information-floods-in-in-ipswich/

> staying above suspicion is often important

OMG yes.

You can never stay above suspicion, because paranoia is so unselective.
But attempts to stay above suspicion (accountability and suchlike) waste hundreds of millions of dollars in Australia.

mollwollfumble said:

> staying above suspicion is often important

OMG yes.

You can never stay above suspicion, because paranoia is so unselective.
But attempts to stay above suspicion (accountability and suchlike) waste hundreds of millions of dollars in Australia.

Telling lies only fertilises the ground for more suspicion.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> staying above suspicion is often important

OMG yes.

You can never stay above suspicion, because paranoia is so unselective.
But attempts to stay above suspicion (accountability and suchlike) waste hundreds of millions of dollars in Australia.

Telling lies only fertilises the ground for more suspicion.

Do you know of a scientific paper that supports that hypothesis?

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> staying above suspicion is often important

OMG yes.

You can never stay above suspicion, because paranoia is so unselective.
But attempts to stay above suspicion (accountability and suchlike) waste hundreds of millions of dollars in Australia.

Telling lies only fertilises the ground for more suspicion.

Do you know of a scientific paper that supports that hypothesis?

muted-truths-bordering-falselies might serve to stall overinterest

transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Telling lies only fertilises the ground for more suspicion.

Do you know of a scientific paper that supports that hypothesis?

muted-truths-bordering-falseties might serve to stall overinterest.

So does The big lie The idea behind the big lie is a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” eg. Nazi propaganda, “Jesus lives”.

I really would be interested in seeing any scientific paper that examines how lying enhances or does not enhance suspicion. Almost every famous study in human psychology begins with the psychologist lying to the participants – so it should be easy to check.

It’s already been shown that a person comes to believe their own lies. And I suspect that hearing the same lie over and over again leads to a lulling of suspicions.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

Do you know of a scientific paper that supports that hypothesis?

muted-truths-bordering-falseties might serve to stall overinterest.

So does The big lie The idea behind the big lie is a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” eg. Nazi propaganda, “Jesus lives”.

I really would be interested in seeing any scientific paper that examines how lying enhances or does not enhance suspicion. Almost every famous study in human psychology begins with the psychologist lying to the participants – so it should be easy to check.

It’s already been shown that a person comes to believe their own lies. And I suspect that hearing the same lie over and over again leads to a lulling of suspicions.

Everyone has their own bullshit, it’s essential

There’s bullshit that doesn’t work, bullshit that nearly works but doesn’t, bullshit that half works, and there’s bullshit that works alright, and there’s bullshit that works surprisingly well.

transition said:

Everyone has their own bullshit, it’s essential

That’s bullshit. :)

The big lie
As explemplified in recent times by the reason given by Bush, Howard and Blair to invade Iraq in 2003.