Date: 5/02/2017 15:04:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020757
Subject: World War Three

Can’t help noting that you can go back to 1939, in your imagination, with the aid of old photos and newsreels etc, and even though you know it’s the eve of a nightmare, there’s something cosy about it.

But when actually living through what looks like a similar sort of prelude, there’s no cosiness at all. Just anger and helplessness.

This is where having a functioning Tardis would be beneficial.

So what say the forum? Is it all soon to go pear-shaped?

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:07:09
From: furious
ID: 1020760
Subject: re: World War Three

One would hope not…

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:08:52
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1020764
Subject: re: World War Three

Bubblecar said:


Can’t help noting that you can go back to 1939, in your imagination, with the aid of old photos and newsreels etc, and even though you know it’s the eve of a nightmare, there’s something cosy about it.

But when actually living through what looks like a similar sort of prelude, there’s no cosiness at all. Just anger and helplessness.

This is where having a functioning Tardis would be beneficial.

So what say the forum? Is it all soon to go pear-shaped?

Trump has a great deal of power, but there are procedures to go through before his plans can be enacted that should stop unsound judgements. At least that is the hope.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:09:52
From: dv
ID: 1020765
Subject: re: World War Three

My own feeling is that WW3 will not occur soon. But I have no solid or rational basis for thinking that.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:10:56
From: furious
ID: 1020766
Subject: re: World War Three

Yeah, that’s working out well…

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:11:27
From: dv
ID: 1020767
Subject: re: World War Three

BTW obviously there were a lot of people for whom the early part of 1939 was not cozy at all.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:13:03
From: furious
ID: 1020768
Subject: re: World War Three

I saw this one photo when everyone was smiling so it must have been the best of times…

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:13:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1020769
Subject: re: World War Three

I think WW3 is further away than ever now that Russia and the US have entered a new era of détente.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:14:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020770
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


BTW obviously there were a lot of people for whom the early part of 1939 was not cozy at all.

Yes, I was talking about my own experience of peeping into the history, not the lives of people at the time.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:14:39
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020771
Subject: re: World War Three

Peak Warming Man said:


I think WW3 is further away than ever now that Russia and the US have entered a new era of détente.

So you trust Putin and Trump? That’s cute, but alarming.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:15:35
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1020772
Subject: re: World War Three

Bubblecar said:


Peak Warming Man said:

I think WW3 is further away than ever now that Russia and the US have entered a new era of détente.

So you trust Putin and Trump? That’s cute, but alarming.

A lot better than another Cold War.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:16:18
From: furious
ID: 1020773
Subject: re: World War Three

If they’re in bed together that just leaves China on the other side of V…

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:16:42
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1020774
Subject: re: World War Three

Google responds with weird shit googling ww3.

https://www.lombardiletter.com/ww3-could-be-underway-and-russia-might-be-winning/6758/

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:19:40
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1020775
Subject: re: World War Three

The anti-Semitism of WW2 Germany had it’s geneses in the Lutheran religion not in the politics.
I learnt that from the wireless a few days ago.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:19:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020776
Subject: re: World War Three

furious said:

  • So you trust Putin and Trump?

If they’re in bed together that just leaves China on the other side of V…

And a little place called Europe.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:21:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020777
Subject: re: World War Three

The meltdown of global order now unfolding could see many outcomes, the worst of which would presumably be the USA, Russia and UK squaring up against China and Europe, with Australia, Canada etc having to decide whether to side with Europe or the new Nazis.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:26:35
From: dv
ID: 1020778
Subject: re: World War Three

In the two years prior to WW2, Germany nibbled off parts of Czechoslovakia and Lithuania, and effected the Anschluss in Austria. Russia’s annexation of Crimea and their continued de facto occupation of south Ossetia aren’t considered sufficient cause for war, though sanctions are in place (as I type this).

It makes for an uneasy parallel. Trump as Chamberlain, holding aloft the paper.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:26:54
From: dv
ID: 1020779
Subject: re: World War Three

Peak Warming Man said:


The anti-Semitism of WW2 Germany had it’s geneses in the Lutheran religion not in the politics.
I learnt that from the wireless a few days ago.

That’s a big stretch.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:31:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020780
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:

In the two years prior to WW2, Germany nibbled off parts of Czechoslovakia and Lithuania, and effected the Anschluss in Austria. Russia’s annexation of Crimea and their continued de facto occupation of south Ossetia aren’t considered sufficient cause for war, though sanctions are in place (as I type this).

It makes for an uneasy parallel. Trump as Chamberlain, holding aloft the paper.

Hmm, I think the difference is that Putin/Trump/Bannon are already signing the Non-Aggression Pact. Trump would be quite happy to see Europe squashed by Russia.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:36:59
From: furious
ID: 1020781
Subject: re: World War Three

Fixed…

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:40:34
From: dv
ID: 1020782
Subject: re: World War Three

But I mean it is not as though China are the good guys. They, too, are in an expansionist phase.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:42:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1020783
Subject: re: World War Three

a google news search on ww3 reveals everyone is talking about it.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:45:39
From: dv
ID: 1020784
Subject: re: World War Three

Sean Spicer asserted at Thursday’s press briefing that Iran had attacked a U.S. naval vessel, as part of his argument defending the administration’s bellicose announcement that Iran is “on notice.”

National Security Adviser Michael Flynn on Wednesday said he was “officially putting Iran on notice” following the country’s ballistic missile test and an attack on a Saudi naval vessel by Houthi rebels in Yemen (the Houthis are tenuously aligned with Iran’s government but are distinct from it).

The White House press corps wanted to know what being put “on notice” entailed, and Spicer responded by claiming that Iran’s government took actions against a U.S. naval vessel, which would be an act of war. “I think General Flynn was really clear yesterday that Iran has violated the Joint Resolution, that Iran’s additional hostile actions that it took against our Navy vessel are ones that we are very clear are not going to sit by and take,” he said. “I think that we will have further updates for you on those additional actions.”

Major Garrett of CBS News quietly corrected him, saying “a Saudi vessel,” and Spicer then responded almost inaudibly: “Sorry, thank you, yes a Saudi vessel. Yes, that’s right.” He did not in any way address his false claim that it was an Iranian attack, however.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/02/press-secretary-sean-spicer-falsely-accuses-iran-of-attacking-u-s-navy-vessel-an-act-of-war/

The alternative facts just keep on coming.

I remember the time Frederick Douglass saved the USS Bowling Green from Iranian refugees.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:48:18
From: furious
ID: 1020785
Subject: re: World War Three

That Douglass bloke, he’s Doing some good things…

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:48:30
From: dv
ID: 1020786
Subject: re: World War Three

I think the fact that the Trump administration is leaking like a rusty colander indicates that at least some around him question is judgment. President Pence will be terrible but he’ll be “normal” terrible, not “better finish that bunker” terrible.

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:51:40
From: furious
ID: 1020787
Subject: re: World War Three

Pence would be Bush like but that is a step up from trumpian…

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:52:30
From: dv
ID: 1020788
Subject: re: World War Three

More

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/02/03/u-s-military-scrambles-to-explain-why-it-posted-a-10-year-old-video-to-show-its-yemen-raid-was-a-success/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.a36ad260ec0f

The U.S. military released a compendium of jihadi video Friday that it said showed “the sort of intelligence information” Navy SEALs seized in a deadly Jan. 29 raid in Yemen. There was just one problem: The clip included 10-year-old footage.

The video was released to the media midday as U.S. military officials said it was obtained in the search of a compound operated by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), a terrorist group that has previously planned attacks in Western nations.

“The videos released today are samples of a series of detailed, do-it-yourself lessons intended for aspiring terrorist bomb-makers and included an exhortation to use those techniques to attack the West,” U.S. Central Command officials said in a news release. “The full-length videos, from which these clips were extracted, were taken from a computer seized by U.S. Special Operations service members during the raid.”

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Date: 5/02/2017 15:59:13
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1020789
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


I think the fact that the Trump administration is leaking like a rusty colander indicates that at least some around him question is judgment. President Pence will be terrible but he’ll be “normal” terrible, not “better finish that bunker” terrible.

They say they can fix the leaks by getting the rust cleaned off.

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Date: 5/02/2017 16:31:09
From: dv
ID: 1020794
Subject: re: World War Three

And this shit. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer won’t take questions from CNN or MSNBC so he takes Skype calls during his addresses from radio talk show hosts, such as Lars Larson:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article130120799.html

Lars Larson: “Commander Spicer. It’s a pleasure. Thank you for your service to America. … Does President Trump want to start returning the people’s land to the people? And in the meantime… can he tell the Forest Service to start logging our forest aggressively again to provide jobs for Americans, wealth for the treasury and not spend $3.5 billion a year fighting forest fires.””

In an abstract way it is hilarious.

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Date: 5/02/2017 16:35:35
From: kii
ID: 1020795
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


And this shit. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer won’t take questions from CNN or MSNBC so he takes Skype calls during his addresses from radio talk show hosts, such as Lars Larson:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article130120799.html

Lars Larson: “Commander Spicer. It’s a pleasure. Thank you for your service to America. … Does President Trump want to start returning the people’s land to the people? And in the meantime… can he tell the Forest Service to start logging our forest aggressively again to provide jobs for Americans, wealth for the treasury and not spend $3.5 billion a year fighting forest fires.””

In an abstract way it is hilarious.

What?

What?

:(

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Date: 5/02/2017 16:38:19
From: dv
ID: 1020796
Subject: re: World War Three

kii said:


dv said:

And this shit. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer won’t take questions from CNN or MSNBC so he takes Skype calls during his addresses from radio talk show hosts, such as Lars Larson:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article130120799.html

Lars Larson: “Commander Spicer. It’s a pleasure. Thank you for your service to America. … Does President Trump want to start returning the people’s land to the people? And in the meantime… can he tell the Forest Service to start logging our forest aggressively again to provide jobs for Americans, wealth for the treasury and not spend $3.5 billion a year fighting forest fires.””

In an abstract way it is hilarious.

What?

What?

:(

“Mister Burns, you’re campaign seems to have all the momentum of a runaway freight train”

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Date: 5/02/2017 16:39:42
From: dv
ID: 1020797
Subject: re: World War Three

*your

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Date: 5/02/2017 16:52:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020798
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


And this shit. White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer won’t take questions from CNN or MSNBC so he takes Skype calls during his addresses from radio talk show hosts, such as Lars Larson:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article130120799.html

Lars Larson: “Commander Spicer. It’s a pleasure. Thank you for your service to America. … Does President Trump want to start returning the people’s land to the people? And in the meantime… can he tell the Forest Service to start logging our forest aggressively again to provide jobs for Americans, wealth for the treasury and not spend $3.5 billion a year fighting forest fires.””

In an abstract way it is hilarious.

This is why we’re dealing with likely disaster. These people aren’t “misguided”, they’re knowingly and self-indulgently evil.

Let’s remind ourselves that Trump is a professional conman and enthusiastic advocate of sexual assault, torture and murder (“we have to kill their families”).

The absolute scum has risen to the top and there’s not much that can be done about it.

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Date: 5/02/2017 17:22:56
From: transition
ID: 1020800
Subject: re: World War Three

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

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Date: 5/02/2017 17:42:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020802
Subject: re: World War Three

transition said:


i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

Well, maybe if you actually read a little about what’s happening in the world, you wouldn’t so easily fall back on comforting assumptions.

Trump doesn’t want trade – he’s ripping up existing trade agreements. He wants a US economy protected from global trade, at least until he can dictate all terms. And he’s actively campaigning against the few mechanisms that maintain global stability (the EU, the UN, NATO).

Putin has been running a military campaign against Ukraine for years. He wants the green light to fully invade Ukraine and the Baltic states. He also wants the collapse of Western Europe (he’s funding far-right groups in the West to that end) so there’s probably no outer limit to his ambitions.

As for China, it’s a nationalistic totalitarian state that needs to keep expanding economically to continually stave off internal dissent, and is likely to welcome regional conflict as a useful distraction.

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Date: 5/02/2017 17:47:18
From: transition
ID: 1020803
Subject: re: World War Three

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

Well, maybe if you actually read a little about what’s happening in the world, you wouldn’t so easily fall back on comforting assumptions.

Trump doesn’t want trade – he’s ripping up existing trade agreements. He wants a US economy protected from global trade, at least until he can dictate all terms. And he’s actively campaigning against the few mechanisms that maintain global stability (the EU, the UN, NATO).

Putin has been running a military campaign against Ukraine for years. He wants the green light to fully invade Ukraine and the Baltic states. He also wants the collapse of Western Europe (he’s funding far-right groups in the West to that end) so there’s probably no outer limit to his ambitions.

As for China, it’s a nationalistic totalitarian state that needs to keep expanding economically to continually stave off internal dissent, and is likely to welcome regional conflict as a useful distraction.

i’m talking about what’ll work well, sometime down the track.

it’ll happen.

conflict is very expensive.

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Date: 5/02/2017 17:51:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1020804
Subject: re: World War Three

transition said:


i’m talking about what’ll work well, sometime down the track.

it’ll happen.

conflict is very expensive.

All the better for the arms industry.

Life is cheap.

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Date: 5/02/2017 17:51:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1020805
Subject: re: World War Three

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

Well, maybe if you actually read a little about what’s happening in the world, you wouldn’t so easily fall back on comforting assumptions.

Trump doesn’t want trade – he’s ripping up existing trade agreements. He wants a US economy protected from global trade, at least until he can dictate all terms. And he’s actively campaigning against the few mechanisms that maintain global stability (the EU, the UN, NATO).

Putin has been running a military campaign against Ukraine for years. He wants the green light to fully invade Ukraine and the Baltic states. He also wants the collapse of Western Europe (he’s funding far-right groups in the West to that end) so there’s probably no outer limit to his ambitions.

As for China, it’s a nationalistic totalitarian state that needs to keep expanding economically to continually stave off internal dissent, and is likely to welcome regional conflict as a useful distraction.

i’m talking about what’ll work well, sometime down the track.

it’ll happen.

conflict is very expensive.

they have the best wars.

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Date: 5/02/2017 17:54:44
From: transition
ID: 1020806
Subject: re: World War Three

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

i’m talking about what’ll work well, sometime down the track.

it’ll happen.

conflict is very expensive.

All the better for the arms industry.

Life is cheap.

I think the chinese will surprise many later, what’ll emerge

probably won’t happen in my lifetime, but will happen.

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Date: 5/02/2017 18:33:25
From: dv
ID: 1020819
Subject: re: World War Three

transition said:


i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

(shrugs) I am sure Trump is thinking of angles by which a war can make him money

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Date: 5/02/2017 18:36:33
From: party_pants
ID: 1020821
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


transition said:

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

(shrugs) I am sure Trump is thinking ….

I stopped reading there…

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Date: 5/02/2017 18:41:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 1020823
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


transition said:

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

(shrugs) I am sure Trump is thinking of angles by which a war can make him money


You show smarts in many things and this is again, one of them.

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Date: 5/02/2017 18:51:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1020834
Subject: re: World War Three

Bubblecar said:


Can’t help noting that you can go back to 1939, in your imagination, with the aid of old photos and newsreels etc, and even though you know it’s the eve of a nightmare, there’s something cosy about it.

But when actually living through what looks like a similar sort of prelude, there’s no cosiness at all. Just anger and helplessness.

This is where having a functioning Tardis would be beneficial.

So what say the forum? Is it all soon to go pear-shaped?

There’s a difference between motive and means.

There’s always motive, for top military people in each country.

For means, we have to look more closely at the distribution of nuclear weapons throughout, for instance, Europe.

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Date: 5/02/2017 18:55:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1020836
Subject: re: World War Three

mollwollfumble said:


Bubblecar said:

Can’t help noting that you can go back to 1939, in your imagination, with the aid of old photos and newsreels etc, and even though you know it’s the eve of a nightmare, there’s something cosy about it.

But when actually living through what looks like a similar sort of prelude, there’s no cosiness at all. Just anger and helplessness.

This is where having a functioning Tardis would be beneficial.

So what say the forum? Is it all soon to go pear-shaped?

There’s a difference between motive and means.

There’s always motive, for top military people in each country.

For means, we have to look more closely at the distribution of nuclear weapons throughout, for instance, Europe.

I always wondered from a lyaman’s stance.. In nuclear disarmament, were they really only decommissioning the old devices that had outlived their planned obsolescence date?

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Date: 5/02/2017 19:26:44
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1020838
Subject: re: World War Three

Bubblecar said:


transition said:

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

Well, maybe if you actually read a little about what’s happening in the world, you wouldn’t so easily fall back on comforting assumptions.

Trump doesn’t want trade – he’s ripping up existing trade agreements. He wants a US economy protected from global trade, at least until he can dictate all terms. And he’s actively campaigning against the few mechanisms that maintain global stability (the EU, the UN, NATO).

Putin has been running a military campaign against Ukraine for years. He wants the green light to fully invade Ukraine and the Baltic states. He also wants the collapse of Western Europe (he’s funding far-right groups in the West to that end) so there’s probably no outer limit to his ambitions.

As for China, it’s a nationalistic totalitarian state that needs to keep expanding economically to continually stave off internal dissent, and is likely to welcome regional conflict as a useful distraction.

Jesus, how weird can you get. You are worse than Trump.

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Date: 5/02/2017 20:07:16
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1020839
Subject: re: World War Three

PermeateFree said:


Bubblecar said:

transition said:

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

Well, maybe if you actually read a little about what’s happening in the world, you wouldn’t so easily fall back on comforting assumptions.

Trump doesn’t want trade – he’s ripping up existing trade agreements. He wants a US economy protected from global trade, at least until he can dictate all terms. And he’s actively campaigning against the few mechanisms that maintain global stability (the EU, the UN, NATO).

Putin has been running a military campaign against Ukraine for years. He wants the green light to fully invade Ukraine and the Baltic states. He also wants the collapse of Western Europe (he’s funding far-right groups in the West to that end) so there’s probably no outer limit to his ambitions.

As for China, it’s a nationalistic totalitarian state that needs to keep expanding economically to continually stave off internal dissent, and is likely to welcome regional conflict as a useful distraction.

Jesus, how weird can you get. You are worse than Trump.

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Date: 5/02/2017 23:46:13
From: transition
ID: 1020841
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


transition said:

i’d expect the spratly islands are on offer as a joint facility, to be negotiated

trump’s not interested in war, the chinese are not interested in war, nor the russians

trade and commerce they want, and global stability

(shrugs) I am sure Trump is thinking of angles by which a war can make him money

be sure he doesn’t want WW3

my point was the chinese have an opportunity, things can go a few ways, but the less expensive reality is to be a civilizing world leader

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Date: 6/02/2017 03:18:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1020857
Subject: re: World War Three

Steve Bannon, White House chief strategist, said; ““We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years.
—-

This has got to be a dumb thing to say.

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Date: 6/02/2017 03:22:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1020858
Subject: re: World War Three

dv said:


BTW obviously there were a lot of people for whom the early part of 1939 was not cozy at all.

Indeed, for those of us lucky enough to live in Australia, the world is a great deal more cozy than anywhere in the world in early 1939.

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Date: 6/02/2017 04:04:46
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1020875
Subject: re: World War Three

Tangerine Turd and General ILikeKillingPeople must be itching for

South China Sea
Syria
Iraq

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Date: 6/02/2017 05:16:39
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1020880
Subject: re: World War Three

I’m generally feeling quite negative about most things at the moment, so sure, let’s throw in a war as well.

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Date: 6/02/2017 05:24:51
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1020881
Subject: re: World War Three

I do not like the idea of World War 111. I suppose the difference for a business person with interests outside of politics the risks about the fear of loss of career are not there. Or seemingly at least.

I remember Kerry Packer giving cheek happily during a formal and legal discussion about how much of the media he could own and with what nation’s financial backing.

Not to suggest that Kerry Packer and Trump are the same person but I would assume reasonably confidently the lack of personal fear is similar of the two for similar reasons perhaps.

The difference between WW11 and now are some laws in place to keep people and their political decisions in place.

The judge that challenged Trump’s decision for one example.

The question about protecting boarders is on common question for all nations and their citizens and will always be. I am confident in stating all people understand why levels of boarder protection are essential and will remain essential.

How this is enforced is the debate of course.

Job creation is important to all nations and something all people want but again how this is actioned is what is being debated.

I hope the story ends well.

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Date: 6/02/2017 05:29:03
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1020882
Subject: re: World War Three

monkey skipper said:


I do not like the idea of World War 111. I suppose the difference for a business person with interests outside of politics the risks about the fear of loss of career are not there. Or seemingly at least.

I remember Kerry Packer giving cheek happily during a formal and legal discussion about how much of the media he could own and with what nation’s financial backing.

Not to suggest that Kerry Packer and Trump are the same person but I would assume reasonably confidently the lack of personal fear is similar of the two for similar reasons perhaps.

The difference between WW11 and now are some laws in place to keep people and their political decisions in place.

The judge that challenged Trump’s decision for one example.

The question about protecting boarders is on common question for all nations and their citizens and will always be. I am confident in stating all people understand why levels of boarder protection are essential and will remain essential.

How this is enforced is the debate of course.

Job creation is important to all nations and something all people want but again how this is actioned is what is being debated.

I hope the story ends well.

borders*

but…… perhaps boarders is appropriate in usage here as the human experience of life and people is what is being affected
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Date: 6/02/2017 09:08:47
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1020945
Subject: re: World War Three

Now I know why the sense has gone out of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. Tom Cochran retired in 2007. Tom Cuchran did more than any other person in working towards a detailed public understanding of nuclear weapons and in formulating test ban verification.

“Dr. Thomas B. Cochran is a senior scientist in the nuclear program and holds the Wade Greene Chair for Nuclear Policy at NRDC. He served as director of the nuclear program until 2007. He initiated NRDC’s Nuclear Weapons Databook project. He also initiated a series of joint nuclear weapons verification projects with the Soviet Academy of Sciences. These include the Nuclear Test Ban Verification Project, which demonstrated the feasibility of utilizing seismic monitoring to verify a low-threshold test ban, and the Black Sea Experiment, which examined the utility of passive radiation detectors for verifying limits on sea-launched cruise missiles. He has served as a consultant to numerous government and non-government agencies on energy, nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear reactor matters.”

Obama’s contribution:
“New START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty) (SNV-III) is a nuclear arms reduction treaty between the United States and the Russian Federation with the formal name of Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms. It was signed on 8 April 2010 in Prague, and, after ratification, entered into force on 5 February 2011. It is expected to last at least until 2021.”
“The treaty limits the number of deployed strategic nuclear warheads to 1,550”.

See how good this is? Only 1,550 hydrogen bombs ready to be launched at a moment’s notice.

Feel safer now?

“Deployed missiles and bombers limited to 700”. This includes ICBM silos and submarines, as well as bomber aircraft. “Deployed and non-deployed launchers (missile tubes and bombers) limited to 800”.

Strategic arms numbers as of 1 October 2016:
USA 681 active launchers, 1367 warheads
USSR 508 active launchers, 1796 warheads

The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Elimination Treaty between the USA and USSR of 1987 has lapsed because of countries other than Russia in Asia have such weapons, and because of US Cruise missiles. The INF Treaty eliminated all nuclear and conventional missiles, as well as their launchers, with ranges of 500–5,500 km. The treaty did not cover sea-launched missiles.

There has been no treaty limiting the number of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, which includes nuclear artillery shells and nuclear land mines. To put it another way, there’s no limit on A-Bombs.

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One positive sign is that many of the diehard anti-communists and anti-capitalists have now reached retirement age. Leading to a softening of the risk of WW-III.

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Date: 6/02/2017 09:27:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1020955
Subject: re: World War Three

Some more links for you to enjoy.

November 2016: Pakistani Nuclear Forces, 2016

July 2016: Chinese Nuclear Forces, 2016

May 2016: Russian Nuclear Forces, 2016

March 2016: United States Nuclear Forces, 2016

eg. China has about 183 nuclear warheads. Including about 20 bombers, up to 48 submarine-launched warheads, about 123 land-based nuclear warheads. Luckily, only about 20 are hydrogen bombs, with yields in the range 3 to 5 megatons. A typical size for the others is 200-300 kilotons.

eg. Pakistan has about 130 to 140 nuclear warheads. All may be tactical nuclear weapons for use on the battlefield, with yields in the range 5-12 kilotons.

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Date: 6/02/2017 09:29:32
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1020956
Subject: re: World War Three

I don’t know if India and Pakistan have Hydrogen bomb warheads.

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Date: 6/02/2017 09:45:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1020957
Subject: re: World War Three

Peak Warming Man said:


I don’t know if India and Pakistan have Hydrogen bomb warheads.

https://www.quora.com/Does-India-have-a-fusion-based-nuclear-weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-v-micallef/the-other-bomb-pakistans_b_9180504.html

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Date: 6/02/2017 10:02:26
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1020963
Subject: re: World War Three

roughbarked said:

I always wondered from a lyaman’s stance.. In nuclear disarmament, were they really only decommissioning the old devices that had outlived their planned obsolescence date?

Sometimes, but mostly not.

Another ulterior motive is to dismantle to store the active part of the warhead for later use.

But apart from the active part of the nuclear warhead, I believe that everything is destroyed, the rocket, the conventional explosive trigger, the electronics.

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Date: 6/02/2017 11:43:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1020994
Subject: re: World War Three

Tau.Neutrino said:


Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know if India and Pakistan have Hydrogen bomb warheads.

https://www.quora.com/Does-India-have-a-fusion-based-nuclear-weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-v-micallef/the-other-bomb-pakistans_b_9180504.html

So, to answer pwm’s question, yes no. Yes for India, no for Pakistan.

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Date: 6/02/2017 11:55:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1020999
Subject: re: World War Three

> Another ulterior motive is to dismantle to store the active part of the warhead for later use.

On the other hand, I strongly suspect that the tritium used to power keychain lights has come from dismantled hydrogen bombs. Think about it.

I also suspect that the americium for smoke detectors is a waste byproduct of plutonium bomb production.

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Date: 6/02/2017 14:47:54
From: sibeen
ID: 1021100
Subject: re: World War Three

monkey skipper said:


I do not like the idea of World War 111.

I seem to have missed quite a few wars. I was away this week, that may explain it.

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Date: 6/02/2017 14:50:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1021103
Subject: re: World War Three

Missing 1 world war is understandable but missing 109……!!!!!

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Date: 6/02/2017 14:50:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1021105
Subject: re: World War Three

sibeen said:


monkey skipper said:

I do not like the idea of World War 111.

I seem to have missed quite a few wars. I was away this week, that may explain it.

Trump got greedy.

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Date: 6/02/2017 17:38:52
From: dv
ID: 1021156
Subject: re: World War Three

Peak Warming Man said:


Missing 1 world war is understandable but missing 109……!!!!!

nice

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