Date: 21/02/2017 11:54:58
From: Ian
ID: 1028239
Subject: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

The mass murdering barbarians of Daesh, who prefer to be called Islamic State, sent out a call this week for the assassination of Australia’s Islamic leaders.

The five Australians, including the Grand Mufti, were targeted because they are peace-loving. And they are prominent. They preach non-violent Islam. Daesh calls them “collaborators” with the “infidels”.

Daesh is losing. The group claimed responsibility for the car bomb that killed 51 innocent civilians in Baghdad on Thursday and the suicide bomb that killed at least 72 worshippers at a Sufi shrine in Pakistan on Friday, so they are not going quietly.

But they are being routed in Iraq and their Syrian strongholds are under siege. The so-called Islamic State eventually will be stateless. The capital of their so-called caliphate, the Syrian city of Raqqa, is already out of money and electricity is being rationed.

Sweating, fearful, with food in short supply and many of their leaders deserting, it’s easy to understand why the Daesh desperadoes would envy some air conditioned comfort.

How interesting that, of all the freedoms, benefits and comforts of the civilised world, the one that they should single out is air conditioning. Even as Daesh does its damnedest to ruin civilisation, it looks longingly on one of its everyday fruits, the humble aircon.

Airconditioning and refrigeration, technologies pioneered by an unsung Australian, are one of the most important and most overlooked inventions in human history, incidentally,

America’s National Academy of Engineers ranks it as the 10th greatest engineering achievement of the 20th century, ahead of highways and the internet. Britain’s Royal Society says the fridge is the most significant invention in the history of food and drink, ahead of pasteurisation and the plough.

Even the height of the average human in modern societies owes a great deal to refrigeration. Refrigerated trucking and shipping revolutionised trade and, according to the US economist Robert Gordon, constitute one of the least appreciated yet most valuable additions to 20th century productivity.

None of which might have happened if not for James Harrison of Geelong. In 1854 he invented a commercial ice-making machine. He expanded it into a vapour compression refrigeration system, the basis for modern refrigeration.

“That’s right – an Aussie invented the fridge and it’s first real use was making beer,” remarked the US technology website Gizmodo. “You have to love this country.”

So it would give the barbarians of Daesh the greatest satisfaction if Australia were to become so degraded that it couldn’t maintain a stable power supply to keep its airconditioners running.

There is a blithe assumption that the recent blackouts and cutbacks in Australia’s electricity system are a passing blip. That the summer heatwave is gone and now the system will somehow correct itself.

Wrong. In the next few weeks 4 per cent of Australia’s power supply will vanish when Victoria’s big Hazelwood power station shuts down, clapped out after 50 years of turning coal into electricity. It’ll be the ninth coal-fired power station to close in the past five years. New solar and wind plants are being built, but they are intermittent, and that means they are unreliable.

“Taking out Hazelwood is taking out a big buffer,” says Tony Wood, energy program director at the Grattan Institute policy research centre in Melbourne. And, as we’ve just witnessed, Australia’s power system lacks buffers. “Managing intermittency is an increasing problem.”

Not only has South Australia suffered three major power failures in the last half-year, NSW last week ordered industry to cut power usage so that households could turn on their airconditioners on a hot day. The chief executive of the Tomago aluminium smelter, Matt Howell, who was ordered to cut electricity usage but is entitled to no compensation, says that “it’s fair to say the way the energy system is working at the moment is dysfunctional.” He told the Financial Review that last Friday was “a genuine system security risk.”

The Turnbull government blames South Australia’s dependency on solar and wind for two of the three blackouts in that state. South Australia, with renewables making up 40 per cent of its power capacity, is vulnerable to the wind stopping and the sun setting.

But NSW depends on coal for nearly 90 per cent of its capacity, and it faced a critical shortage last week too. This is not a state-by-state problem. It’s a national problem.

“We need to be able to plan better, because nothing is getting built between now and next summer,” says Wood, whose independent expertise is respected by both the federal government and the opposition.

“This is a significant challenge. We have this system we’ve had for 100 years and we are trying to change it quite quickly. No one in the world has got this far – you can’t take a system created around coal and gas and suddenly make 40 per cent of it renewable energy” – as it is in South Australia – “with the same system and the same rules.”

But it must be OK, right? Because we hear the Turnbull government, day after day, week after week, slamming Labor for the blackouts, so the government must have a policy to fix the situation. Doesn’t it?

No, actually. Wood summarises: “We have this policy introduced by Tony Abbott to cut carbon emissions by 26 to 28 per cent by 2030. The government told us how they weren’t going to meet it. They weren’t going to meet it by putting up electricity prices, and they weren’t going to do it by increasing the renewable energy target,” the target that requires electricity firms to install 33 gigawatt hours of solar or wind generating capacity by 2020.

“So how are you going to do it?”

The answer, so far, is no answer – a grab-bag of speculations and possibilities. But no settled policy. Labor doesn’t have an answer, either. All we have is tremendous clamour of blame and counter-blame. We have a national energy crisis and neither the government nor the alternative government has a policy to solve it.

In an extraordinary moment of unity this week, the Business Council and the ACTU and 16 other groups including big investors and environmental groups came together to appeal to the political parties to stop arguing and to seek a shared solution. In a joint letter, they railed against “partisan antics”.

This coalition of groups from the real world complained that “the finger pointing will not solve our energy challenges. More than a decade of this has made most energy investments impossibly risky. This has pushed prices higher while hindering transformational change of our energy system.”

Did the political system respond to this plea? Of course not. It’s too much fun to keep up the partisan antics. Turnbull won’t stop because he’s winning. He blames Labor’s predilection for renewables – solar and wind – for the problems of SA while conveniently ignoring the larger systemic problems. Labor, he says, is “drunk on ideology.”

He’s winning according to the simple political rule that his former environment minister, now health minister, Greg Hunt, promulgated inside the government for this area of argument. If the debate is fought on environmental grounds, like climate change, then Labor wins. But if it’s fought on electricity prices and electricity reliability, the Coalition wins.

Why? Because the public broadly trusts Labor on the environment, and the Coalition on electricity. It’s as simple as that.

Among Labor’s signs of mounting panic this week, we saw the WA Labor Party dump its policy of a 50 per cent renewables energy target. WA Labor is most sensitive because it has the most immediate problem – an election next month. And we saw federal Labor, too, started to get nervous about its plan for a 50 per cent target. Though Labor had never said this was a firm commitment, it suddenly became a lot more tentative this week.

South Australian Labor says that the federal electricity operator is to blame, and that’s Turnbull’s fault. Bill Shorten says lots of things are to blame, but not Labor’s renewables target.

“There’s always a little bit of truth in both sides, and little bit of falsehood in both sides,” observes Wood. The Turnbull government says it’s the South Australian renewables energy target; South Australia’s Labor government says it’s the Australian Electricity Market Operator. “The answer is it’s both.”

The core of the problem is “the toxic political debate that all parties have been guilty of for a decade now”, says Wood. He’s absolutely right. The Turnbull government is waiting on a review by the Chief Scientist, Alan Finkel, due by May. His recommendations will form the basis for a government response. With luck, the government might actually produce a policy by around mid-year. That will allow maybe six months, at most, to actually impose a solution. If the lights go out next summer, and the airconditioning ceases to run, the voters will rightly hold the political establishment to blame, and rightly so. Pauline Hanson will be the main political beneficiary of rising popular disgust with Labor and Liberal.

And while it will do nothing to help Daesh, they will no doubt take some small satisfaction if the country that pioneered airconditioning has become so politically dysfunctional that it can no longer keep it running.

Peter Hartcher – smh

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Date: 21/02/2017 12:37:00
From: Ian
ID: 1028243
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Large-scale energy storage outfits might be soothed that the PM’s managed to pluck AU$20 million from somewhere to spend on storage trials (they will, however, have to share it with pumped hydro storage).

And then there’s clean coal – carbon capture and storage – about which Turnbull says:

“We’ve invested $590 million since 2009 in clean coal technology research and demonstration and yet we do not have one modern high-efficiency low-emissions coal-fired power station, let alone one with carbon capture and storage.”

Instead of concluding that half a billion for zero return means a bad investment, Turnbull promised …

… Actually, looking at the transcript of the speech again, it’s clear that he promised nothing. There’s no suggestion whatever that the money tap will be opened to help build carbon-capture power plants.

Instead, there’s an echo of rhetoric that’s eerily familiar to those who remember Turnbull’s “sooner, cheaper and more affordable” National Broadband Network which (as his signature achievement – quit laughing, you down the back) was also absent from the speech.

“Australia should be able to achieve the policy trifecta of energy that is affordable, reliable and secure and that meets our substantial global emissions reduction commitments as agreed in the Paris Climate Change Treaty last year”.

To clear up the question of whether he can count, since there are four items in that trifecta, he added that “Security, affordability and emissions reduction – that’s what we need to achieve.”

However, it’s clear that the PM – or whoever is advising him – hasn’t read or didn’t understand the Australian Energy Market Operator’s reports into South Australia’s storm-driven blackouts last year, because it’s clear that he believes only fossil fuel plants can provide “synchronous” power (that is, can provide frequency services that phase-lock the grid).

“Storage has a very big role to play, that’s true. But we will need more synchronous baseload power and as the world’s largest coal exporter, we have a vested interest in showing that we can provide both lower emissions and reliable base load power with state-of-the-art clean coal-fired technology.”

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/02/turnbull_transforms_tech_right_off_his_agenda/

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Date: 21/02/2017 12:40:57
From: Ian
ID: 1028245
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Clean coal a ‘risky’ and ‘unviable’ use of taxpayers’ money

The Prime Minister has confirmed he’s considering using taxpayers’ money to invest in so-called ‘clean coal’ technology.

It’s part of the Government’s attempts to keep energy security on the political agenda.

While Malcolm Turnbull hasn’t yet given the go-ahead for the $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in carbon capture and storage, he says it’s a technology that should be investigated.

But those in the sector, including the head of the CEFC, says that clean coal is a risky investment, and would be an irresponsible use of the taxpayers’ money.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2016/s4623161.htm

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Date: 21/02/2017 12:44:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1028248
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Basically we are stuck with the science of stupid in that if we had been smart, we would have invented a replacement for coal by now. If we stop exporting coal we will be broke. If we spend billions improving coal, the rest of the world will have moved away from using it and be making their own replacements for coal.

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Date: 21/02/2017 12:52:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1028250
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

>>Carbon capture and storage (CCS) is a technology under development that offers much higher prospects of emissions reductions than other clean coal technologies. CCS involves capture of CO2 either before or after combustion of the fuel; transport of the captured CO2 to the site of storage; and injection of the CO2 in deep underground reservoirs for long-term storage (known as geosequestration). CCS is proposed as a means of reducing to near-zero the greenhouse gas emissions of fossil fuel burning in power generation and CO2 production from other industrial processes such as cement manufacturing and purification of natural gas. Many clean coal technologies are being developed with CCS in mind, for example concentrating CO2 in the combustion exhaust to ease the separation and capture of CO2. The majority of CCS effort is being invested in incorporating CCS into new power generation plant designs<<

AND

>>Most of Australia’s current coal-fired electricity-generating plants are of a conventional design, with typical efficiencies of about 33–35 per cent. This means that only about 35 per cent of the usable energy in the coal is actually converted into electricity. Much of the rest is waste heat. Plants with greater energy conversion efficiency (up to about 42 per cent) are possible with combined cycles that recycle heat using very high temperature steam.<<

WOW! We can get an extra 7% efficiency with this Clean Coal technology.

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Date: 21/02/2017 12:54:45
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1028251
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

PermeateFree said:


>>Carbon capture and storage (CCS) is a technology under development that offers much higher prospects of emissions reductions than other clean coal technologies. CCS involves capture of CO2 either before or after combustion of the fuel; transport of the captured CO2 to the site of storage; and injection of the CO2 in deep underground reservoirs for long-term storage (known as geosequestration). CCS is proposed as a means of reducing to near-zero the greenhouse gas emissions of fossil fuel burning in power generation and CO2 production from other industrial processes such as cement manufacturing and purification of natural gas. Many clean coal technologies are being developed with CCS in mind, for example concentrating CO2 in the combustion exhaust to ease the separation and capture of CO2. The majority of CCS effort is being invested in incorporating CCS into new power generation plant designs<<

AND

>>Most of Australia’s current coal-fired electricity-generating plants are of a conventional design, with typical efficiencies of about 33–35 per cent. This means that only about 35 per cent of the usable energy in the coal is actually converted into electricity. Much of the rest is waste heat. Plants with greater energy conversion efficiency (up to about 42 per cent) are possible with combined cycles that recycle heat using very high temperature steam.<<

WOW! We can get an extra 7% efficiency with this Clean Coal technology.

Forgot! We can make that massive extra efficiency if we can solve the co2 disposal problem. Sounds the way to go!

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Date: 21/02/2017 12:55:21
From: furious
ID: 1028252
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Too long, didn’t read it all but why bring ISIS into it? Seems unnecessary…

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:00:08
From: Ian
ID: 1028255
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

So, is Talcum:

a) Down his last card and thinks he can actually win by keeping on for two and a half years attacking Labor on its renewables policy

b) A victim of a sort of political Stockholm syndrome

c) Just bat-shit crazy

d) All of the above

?

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:04:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1028258
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Ian said:


So, is Talcum:

a) Down his last card and thinks he can actually win by keeping on for two and a half years attacking Labor on its renewables policy

b) A victim of a sort of political Stockholm syndrome

c) Just bat-shit crazy

d) All of the above

?

If he’s a victim it will be of his own self importance.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:04:35
From: party_pants
ID: 1028259
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

furious said:


Too long, didn’t read it all but why bring ISIS into it? Seems unnecessary…

I was thinking the same. Read a bit of it but it is so long and rambling and disjointed I gave up.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:07:17
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1028260
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

party_pants said:


furious said:

Too long, didn’t read it all but why bring ISIS into it? Seems unnecessary…

I was thinking the same. Read a bit of it but it is so long and rambling and disjointed I gave up.

i won’t bother then. ta.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:09:38
From: sibeen
ID: 1028261
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

ChrispenEvan said:


party_pants said:

furious said:

Too long, didn’t read it all but why bring ISIS into it? Seems unnecessary…

I was thinking the same. Read a bit of it but it is so long and rambling and disjointed I gave up.

i won’t bother then. ta.

Well if Boris won’t then I won’ either. So there!

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:09:49
From: Ian
ID: 1028262
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

party_pants said:


furious said:

Too long, didn’t read it all but why bring ISIS into it? Seems unnecessary…

I was thinking the same. Read a bit of it but it is so long and rambling and disjointed I gave up.

I found the first part amusing and informative and the latter part relevant to the Talcum/clean coal debate.

PS: It’s tl;dr

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:13:03
From: furious
ID: 1028265
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Yeah, I know, but I did read some so that would be a lie plus I avoid internet abbreviations wherever possible…

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:13:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1028266
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

I was thinking the same. Read a bit of it but it is so long and rambling and disjointed I gave up.

i won’t bother then. ta.

Well if Boris won’t then I won’ either. So there!

The only good bit was why an Aussie invented the fridge.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:14:34
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1028267
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

furious said:

Yeah, I know, but I did read some so that would be a lie plus I avoid internet abbreviations wherever possible…

WTFLOLBBQ.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:15:55
From: furious
ID: 1028268
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Yes, very unbecoming…

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:24:45
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1028269
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

roughbarked said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

i won’t bother then. ta.

Well if Boris won’t then I won’ either. So there!

The only good bit was why an Aussie invented the fridge.

I’m a bit sceptical about that as well.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:27:55
From: party_pants
ID: 1028270
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

Well if Boris won’t then I won’ either. So there!

The only good bit was why an Aussie invented the fridge.

I’m a bit sceptical about that as well.

I read or watched somewhere it was invented by a Scot. He moved to Australia to try promote the idea commercially because there was no natural ice trade here. Some of the earliest commercial installations were in Australia, but I don’t think it was invented here.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:28:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1028271
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Peak Warming Man said:


roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

Well if Boris won’t then I won’ either. So there!

The only good bit was why an Aussie invented the fridge.

I’m a bit sceptical about that as well.

Yeah but the Americans want the credit for everything and their beer is worse than ours.

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:33:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1028272
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

party_pants said:


Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

The only good bit was why an Aussie invented the fridge.

I’m a bit sceptical about that as well.

I read or watched somewhere it was invented by a Scot. He moved to Australia to try promote the idea commercially because there was no natural ice trade here. Some of the earliest commercial installations were in Australia, but I don’t think it was invented here.

http://www.keepitcool.com/history_of_the_refrigerator2.htm

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/01/australias-top-10-inventions-refrigeration/

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:37:23
From: Ian
ID: 1028274
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

James Harrison (engineer)

James Harrison (17 April 1816 – 3 September 1893) was a Scottish-Australian newspaper printer, journalist, politician, and pioneer in the field of mechanical refrigeration.

Also in 1856, James Harrison, was commissioned by a brewery to build a machine that could cool beer.

Wikipedia

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Date: 21/02/2017 13:39:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1028276
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

Ian said:


James Harrison (engineer)

James Harrison (17 April 1816 – 3 September 1893) was a Scottish-Australian newspaper printer, journalist, politician, and pioneer in the field of mechanical refrigeration.

Also in 1856, James Harrison, was commissioned by a brewery to build a machine that could cool beer.

Wikipedia


Harrison patented his in 1854.

Wiki also says: In 1834, the first working vapor-compression refrigeration system was built. The first commercial ice-making machine was invented in 1854. In 1913, refrigerators for home use were invented. In 1923 Frigidaire introduced the first self-contained unit.

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Date: 22/02/2017 19:09:28
From: Ian
ID: 1028901
Subject: re: Malcolm Turnbull is full of hot air but that won't power the country

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