Date: 6/03/2017 06:44:36
From: buffy
ID: 1033836
Subject: Blue light and eyes

Because I had to find the research so I can use it to explain to patients, if anyone is interested, here it is.

The blue light from digital devices is less than you get looking at a blue sky. Even allowing for more extended viewing times. So if someone tries to tell you you need filters in your glasses for that reason, it’s bunk. However, blue light does mess with circadian rhythm, so turning off devices an hour before bed-time can be beneficial in allowing normal melatonin production to kick in.

Blue light ref: http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v30/n2/full/eye2015261a.html

Melatonin ref: http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

(I don’t know how to make them links…?)

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Date: 6/03/2017 06:51:26
From: btm
ID: 1033841
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

buffy said:


Because I had to find the research so I can use it to explain to patients, if anyone is interested, here it is.

The blue light from digital devices is less than you get looking at a blue sky. Even allowing for more extended viewing times. So if someone tries to tell you you need filters in your glasses for that reason, it’s bunk. However, blue light does mess with circadian rhythm, so turning off devices an hour before bed-time can be beneficial in allowing normal melatonin production to kick in.

Blue light ref: http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v30/n2/full/eye2015261a.html

Melatonin ref: http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

(I don’t know how to make them links…?)

As links:

Blue light ref: http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v30/n2/full/eye2015261a.html
Melatonin ref: http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

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Date: 6/03/2017 06:52:27
From: buffy
ID: 1033843
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

Thanks

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Date: 6/03/2017 11:12:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1033996
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

btm said:


buffy said:

Because I had to find the research so I can use it to explain to patients, if anyone is interested, here it is.

The blue light from digital devices is less than you get looking at a blue sky. Even allowing for more extended viewing times. So if someone tries to tell you you need filters in your glasses for that reason, it’s bunk. However, blue light does mess with circadian rhythm, so turning off devices an hour before bed-time can be beneficial in allowing normal melatonin production to kick in.

Blue light ref: http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v30/n2/full/eye2015261a.html

Melatonin ref: http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

(I don’t know how to make them links…?)

As links:

Blue light ref: http://www.nature.com/eye/journal/v30/n2/full/eye2015261a.html
Melatonin ref: http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

I write links a different way eg. link

so Blue light
and Melatonin

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Date: 6/03/2017 11:34:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1034005
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

> While light of any kind can suppress the secretion of melatonin, blue light at night does so more powerfully. Harvard researchers and their colleagues conducted an experiment comparing the effects of 6.5 hours of exposure to blue light to exposure to green light of comparable brightness. The blue light suppressed melatonin for about twice as long as the green light and shifted circadian rhythms by twice as much (3 hours vs. 1.5 hours).

I’m not totally convinced.

I spend a lot of time awake at night, typically 3 to 6 am, and have a lot of trouble getting to sleep afterwards. On first hearing about the influence of blue light on sleep, I immediately switched my computer screen to have no blue on it, eg. background to solid dark green-brown colour, rgb = 77,90,69, and also changed screen colour temperature to minimise blue. This change had no effect on my difficulty sleeping afterwards whatsoever.

Was the light the same other than colour? eg. same source, same flicker speed, same brightness, did they check against red-green colourblindness? Difference between computer screen vs LED light, fluoro and incandescent light? Did they check point light source vs area light source vs surround light source.

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Date: 6/03/2017 11:54:14
From: buffy
ID: 1034013
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

mollwollfumble said:


> While light of any kind can suppress the secretion of melatonin, blue light at night does so more powerfully. Harvard researchers and their colleagues conducted an experiment comparing the effects of 6.5 hours of exposure to blue light to exposure to green light of comparable brightness. The blue light suppressed melatonin for about twice as long as the green light and shifted circadian rhythms by twice as much (3 hours vs. 1.5 hours).

I’m not totally convinced.

I spend a lot of time awake at night, typically 3 to 6 am, and have a lot of trouble getting to sleep afterwards. On first hearing about the influence of blue light on sleep, I immediately switched my computer screen to have no blue on it, eg. background to solid dark green-brown colour, rgb = 77,90,69, and also changed screen colour temperature to minimise blue. This change had no effect on my difficulty sleeping afterwards whatsoever.

Was the light the same other than colour? eg. same source, same flicker speed, same brightness, did they check against red-green colourblindness? Difference between computer screen vs LED light, fluoro and incandescent light? Did they check point light source vs area light source vs surround light source.

I’m not sure if this is the research referred to or not.

https://sleep.med.harvard.edu/news/356/Green+Light+Affects+Circadian+Rhythm

I’ll do a bit more looking.

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Date: 6/03/2017 12:01:57
From: buffy
ID: 1034015
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

And this is an interesting over view of things:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831986/

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Date: 6/03/2017 12:02:23
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1034016
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

PS. I took melatonin for a while in an attempt to normalise my circadian rhythm. I discontinued that experiment quickly – it made me sick as a dog.

> Inexpensive sunglasses with orange-tinted lenses block blue light …

I want rose-coloured glasses.

> The 1998 discovery of a new photoreceptor in the eye—which later turned out to be especially sensitive to blue light—revolutionized the way we think about how circadian rhythm is entrained.

Aagh! This has nothing to do with circadian rhythm. The new photoreceptor can’t see anything until the lens of the eye is replaced in an operation for cataracts, because the lens of a normal eye blocks the wavelengths that this photoreceptor is tuned to. At least, that’s what I heard at the time.

> blue light may be particularly potent in mitigating depression and other maladies of mood.

So blue light stops you from getting the blues. I don’t believe it.

> For many years it was thought that social interaction was the major force involved in resetting humans’ internal clock

For many years they might have been right.

> From 1995 until 2001, Brainard and his colleagues tested 72 healthy men and women in more than 700 experiments to determine the strongest wavelength for suppressing melatonin secretion. The result confirmed a slightly earlier Japanese study on mutant mice, showing that the blues are the most important wavelengths for entraining the circadian system. Cones, the color receptors, have a peak sensitivity in the greens, at 555 nm. For the rods, the peak comes at 507 nm. Across 10 published studies on humans, rodents, and monkeys, the peak sensitivity of the melanopsin receptors appears to span 459–485 nm.

Worth looking up, perhaps. Oh, he wrote 83 papers on the topic.

> The irony of blue as an environmental agent is that before the industrial age, it was merely a color. The unnatural lighting conditions we created turned it into …

Now they’re calling a blue sky “unnatural”. Ridiculous.

> The aim of this study was to test if the three cone visual system is the primary ocular photoreceptor input for human circadian regulation by determining the effects of different wavelengths on light-induced melatonin suppression. Healthy subjects with stable sleeping patterns (wake-up time 7:30 AM ± 12 min) and normal color vision were exposed at night to full-field 505 nm or 555 nm monochromatic stimuli or darkness for 90 min. Plasma collected before and after exposures was quantified for melatonin. Subjects exposed to 10 irradiances at 505 nm showed no significant differences across mean pre-exposure melatonin values. A curve fitted to the melatonin suppression data indicated that 9.34 × 10^12 photons/cm^2/sec induced a half-saturation response (ED50) while 6.84 × 10^13 photons/cm^2/sec induced a saturation melatonin suppression response. Further, a dose of 4.19 × 10^13 photon/cm^2/sec at 505 nm was significantly stronger than an equal photon dose at 555 nm for melatonin suppression. These data demonstrate that the cone system that mediates human vision is not the primary photoreceptor system to accept light stimuli for melatonin regulation.

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Date: 6/03/2017 12:27:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1034025
Subject: re: Blue light and eyes

“Light-emitting diodes and cool white fluorescent light similarly suppress pineal gland melatonin and maintain retinal function and morphology in the rat”

“An LED was evaluated by comparing its effectiveness with that of cool white fluorescent light (CWF) in suppressing pineal gland melatonin content. Pineal melatonin concentration was equally suppressed by LED and CWF light at five light illuminances (100, 40, 10, 1, and 0.1 lux). There were no significant differences in melatonin suppression between LED and CWF light, compared with values for unexposed controls. Conclusion: LED light does not cause retinal damage and can suppress pineal melatonin content at intensities similar to CWF light intensities.”

lux = lumen per m2

The following is interesting.

Irradiance Toolbox

“The primary function of this toolbox application is to calculate effective illuminance for each of the 5 photopigments in the human eye. The ‘Toolbox’ worksheet automatically calculates these quantities from simple information provided by the user.”

Only five? There are a lot more than that.

Considers separately different light sources, but limited examples of each.

Incandescent
Daylight
Fluorescent.
White LED.
Narrowband
Blackbody radiator
CIE standard illuminant

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