A rhinoceros at a zoo near Paris was shot three times in the head on Monday night by poachers who then cut off its horn with a chainsaw.

The four-year-old rhinoceros, named Vince, was found dead this morning by keepers at Thoiry Zoo, to the west of the French capital.

One or more poachers are believed to have broken in to the zoo and forced their way into an enclosure where three rhinos lived, reported Le Parisien.

The white rhinoceros second horn had also been partially hacked off, indicating the perpetrators had run out of time or their equipment had failed.

They may have also planned to steal the horns of the two other white rhinos, five-year-old Bruno and 37-year-old Gracie. Both animals are said to be safe and healthy.

Vince was born on in September 2012 at Burgers’ Zoo in the Netherlands. He arrived in Paris in March 2015 with Bruno.

Rhinoceros horns can be sold on the black market for around £30,000 each and are particularly sought after in China, where they are believed to have aphrodisiac qualities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-zoo-thoiry-rhino-horn-poachers-shoot-dead-animal-vince-a7616076.html

dv said:

A rhinoceros at a zoo near Paris was shot three times in the head on Monday night by poachers who then cut off its horn with a chainsaw.

The four-year-old rhinoceros, named Vince, was found dead this morning by keepers at Thoiry Zoo, to the west of the French capital.

One or more poachers are believed to have broken in to the zoo and forced their way into an enclosure where three rhinos lived, reported Le Parisien.

The white rhinoceros second horn had also been partially hacked off, indicating the perpetrators had run out of time or their equipment had failed.

They may have also planned to steal the horns of the two other white rhinos, five-year-old Bruno and 37-year-old Gracie. Both animals are said to be safe and healthy.

Vince was born on in September 2012 at Burgers’ Zoo in the Netherlands. He arrived in Paris in March 2015 with Bruno.

Rhinoceros horns can be sold on the black market for around £30,000 each and are particularly sought after in China, where they are believed to have aphrodisiac qualities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-zoo-thoiry-rhino-horn-poachers-shoot-dead-animal-vince-a7616076.html

:(

It shoots a hole in the theory of keeping a species safe in a zoo. :(

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Find them and jail them.

diddly-squat said:

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It’s complicated, and honestly I don’t know whether meeting the market in another way is better or worse than simply trying to eliminate the market through policing and education.

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

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It’s complicated, and honestly I don’t know whether meeting the market in another way is better or worse than simply trying to eliminate the market through policing and education.

Policing & education don’t work when the rewards far outweigh the consequences.

zoos need security guards now

Tamb said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

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It’s complicated, and honestly I don’t know whether meeting the market in another way is better or worse than simply trying to eliminate the market through policing and education.

Policing & education don’t work when the rewards far outweigh the consequences.

But it’s worked well on illicit drugs…

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

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It’s complicated, and honestly I don’t know whether meeting the market in another way is better or worse than simply trying to eliminate the market through policing and education.

Rise of middle class Chinese is going to be devastating for endangered species. How about return fire, Chinese have been flooding markets with fake antiques and fossils which have had the unintended benefit of preserving real antiques and fossils, much easier to fake one and sell it than to go hunting for a real one.

Surely rhino horn being keratin is not beyond the ken of being faked in an original and powdered form? The various conservation agencies could get together and fund a massive and prolonged flooding of the market with fake horns.

By all means continue education programs but when you are looking down a timeline where X is extinction, and moreover prices rise as X gets closer I think education is probably not going to work before X is reached.

Tamb said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

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It’s complicated, and honestly I don’t know whether meeting the market in another way is better or worse than simply trying to eliminate the market through policing and education.

Policing & education don’t work when the rewards far outweigh the consequences.

Well there are no rewards at all for the people who are buying it. Educating/punishing the buyers seems like the go.

Tau.Neutrino said:

zoos need security guards now

Zoos have security guards. As the article says, these people got past the security crew.

rhinos need frickin laser beams

dv said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

It’s complicated, and honestly I don’t know whether meeting the market in another way is better or worse than simply trying to eliminate the market through policing and education.

Policing & education don’t work when the rewards far outweigh the consequences.

Well there are no rewards at all for the people who are buying it. Educating/punishing the buyers seems like the go.

The rewards for the buyers are in their belief in its medicinal effects.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

Policing & education don’t work when the rewards far outweigh the consequences.

Well there are no rewards at all for the people who are buying it. Educating/punishing the buyers seems like the go.

The rewards for the buyers are in their belief in its medicinal effects.

Hence the importance of education

dv said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Well there are no rewards at all for the people who are buying it. Educating/punishing the buyers seems like the go.

The rewards for the buyers are in their belief in its medicinal effects.

Hence the importance of education

The market in China is so huge that even if you educated everyone which is probably impossible, there would still be recalcitrants and China being China that would probably equal millions unresponsive to education.

dv said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Well there are no rewards at all for the people who are buying it. Educating/punishing the buyers seems like the go.

The rewards for the buyers are in their belief in its medicinal effects.

Hence the importance of education

The buyers have a thousand years of tradition behind their belief.
We can’t even convince some people that vaccination is a good thing.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Tamb said:

The rewards for the buyers are in their belief in its medicinal effects.

Hence the importance of education

The buyers have a thousand years of tradition behind their belief.
We can’t even convince some people that vaccination is a good thing.

They’ve had thousands of years to work out that you don’t know what you have got until it is gone. They are such motivated people that it beggars belief that they haven’t been breeding Rhinos and Tigers for their well heeled customers, all this time.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Hence the importance of education

The buyers have a thousand years of tradition behind their belief.
We can’t even convince some people that vaccination is a good thing.

They’ve had thousands of years to work out that you don’t know what you have got until it is gone. They are such motivated people that it beggars belief that they haven’t been breeding Rhinos and Tigers for their well heeled customers, all this time.

They do breed tigers, but they breed readily, don’t take long to mature and have multiple births. Different ballpark to rhinos.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

dv said:

Hence the importance of education

The buyers have a thousand years of tradition behind their belief.
We can’t even convince some people that vaccination is a good thing.

They’ve had thousands of years to work out that you don’t know what you have got until it is gone. They are such motivated people that it beggars belief that they haven’t been breeding Rhinos and Tigers for their well heeled customers, all this time.

Good point.

There would also be a better read economic return for a tiger, you can sell the skin, bones and teeth and probably internal bits. Rhino is just the horn.

AwesomeO said:

There would also be a better read economic return for a tiger, you can sell the skin, bones and teeth and probably internal bits. Rhino is just the horn.

Oh and with those whacky Chinese probably the penis.

AwesomeO said:

AwesomeO said:

There would also be a better read economic return for a tiger, you can sell the skin, bones and teeth and probably internal bits. Rhino is just the horn.

Oh and with those whacky Chinese probably the penis.

and the balls, don’t forget them.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

AwesomeO said:

There would also be a better read economic return for a tiger, you can sell the skin, bones and teeth and probably internal bits. Rhino is just the horn.

Oh and with those whacky Chinese probably the penis.

and the balls, don’t forget them.

I would guess that the chefs in Guangzhou have a recipe for rhino.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Oh and with those whacky Chinese probably the penis.

and the balls, don’t forget them.

I would guess that the chefs in Guangzhou have a recipe for rhino.

Anyone who prefers their ducks flat, could turn their taste to anything.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

and the balls, don’t forget them.

I would guess that the chefs in Guangzhou have a recipe for rhino.

Anyone who prefers their ducks flat, could turn their taste to anything.

They claim that they cook everything with wings except an aeroplane & everything with legs except a table.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Find them and jail them.

Zoos have security guards. As the article says, these people got past the security crew.

I agree, that’s better than the alternative – shoot them and cut off their horns.

I can’t forget the example of a person who was found dead after swimming naked in the pool with the killer whales.

Tamb said:

They claim that they cook everything with wings except an aeroplane & everything with legs except a table.

I wonder what a table tastes like.

If it was made of rosewood, walnut, maple or cherry then the table might actually taste quite nice. Diet food.
I’ve tried eating balsa and cork, they’re not bad but I wouldn’t make a table of them.

>>During 2012, 668 rhinos were killed in South Africa alone. That’s one every 13 hours. Over the past six years, rhino poaching has increased by a staggering and unprecedented amount and is mainly attributed to the growing demand for rhino horn from Vietnam.<<

Don’t forget Vietnam!

From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1034984
Subject: re: Paris rhino killed by poachers

Find them and jail them.

Is the guillotine still available for use.

bucolic3401 said:

From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1034984
Subject: re: Paris rhino killed by poachers

Find them and jail them.

Is the guillotine still available for use.

Probably have to steal it from a museum.

AwesomeO said:

Rise of middle class Chinese is going to be devastating for endangered species. How about return fire, Chinese have been flooding markets with fake antiques and fossils which have had the unintended benefit of preserving real antiques and fossils, much easier to fake one and sell it than to go hunting for a real one.

Surely rhino horn being keratin is not beyond the ken of being faked in an original and powdered form? The various conservation agencies could get together and fund a massive and prolonged flooding of the market with fake horns.

By all means continue education programs but when you are looking down a timeline where X is extinction, and moreover prices rise as X gets closer I think education is probably not going to work before X is reached.

I like this thinking.

We should all begin to store our nail clippings immediately. They may just come in handy.

Speedy said:

AwesomeO said:

Rise of middle class Chinese is going to be devastating for endangered species. How about return fire, Chinese have been flooding markets with fake antiques and fossils which have had the unintended benefit of preserving real antiques and fossils, much easier to fake one and sell it than to go hunting for a real one.

Surely rhino horn being keratin is not beyond the ken of being faked in an original and powdered form? The various conservation agencies could get together and fund a massive and prolonged flooding of the market with fake horns.

By all means continue education programs but when you are looking down a timeline where X is extinction, and moreover prices rise as X gets closer I think education is probably not going to work before X is reached.

I like this thinking.

We should all begin to store our nail clippings immediately. They may just come in handy.

I thought people were 3d printing fake horns with DNA markers ? and introducing them to the market
Alternatively try to breed rhinos/elephants with no horns, sad but it may prevent them going extinct

Cymek said:

Speedy said:

AwesomeO said:

Rise of middle class Chinese is going to be devastating for endangered species. How about return fire, Chinese have been flooding markets with fake antiques and fossils which have had the unintended benefit of preserving real antiques and fossils, much easier to fake one and sell it than to go hunting for a real one.

Surely rhino horn being keratin is not beyond the ken of being faked in an original and powdered form? The various conservation agencies could get together and fund a massive and prolonged flooding of the market with fake horns.

By all means continue education programs but when you are looking down a timeline where X is extinction, and moreover prices rise as X gets closer I think education is probably not going to work before X is reached.

I like this thinking.

We should all begin to store our nail clippings immediately. They may just come in handy.

I thought people were 3d printing fake horns with DNA markers ? and introducing them to the market
Alternatively try to breed rhinos/elephants with no horns, sad but it may prevent them going extinct

Interesting

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/24/artificial-3d-printed-fake-rhino-horn-poaching