Date: 17/03/2017 08:25:38
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1039234
Subject: Robots and Emotions

Will robots have emotions?

Will anger in robots be limited?

Will robots be emotionally intelligent?

Will Robots be aware of emotions and be able to control them?

Will robots experience multiple emotions at the same time?

What emotions be limited in robots?

How many emotions will robots have?

Humanity still cannot agree on how many emotions we all have, what impact does that have on creating Laws for robots Artificial Intelligence etc

Ask a hundred psychologists how many emotions we have, will they all give the same answer?

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Date: 17/03/2017 08:29:51
From: furious
ID: 1039238
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

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Date: 17/03/2017 08:51:57
From: Arts
ID: 1039263
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Isaac Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics”

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
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Date: 17/03/2017 08:54:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 1039266
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Arts said:

Isaac Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics”

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Quite so.

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Date: 17/03/2017 08:58:11
From: Cymek
ID: 1039270
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

roughbarked said:


Arts said:
Isaac Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics”

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Quite so.

Those laws were modified in later books, so a robot could kill a human/humans to protect much larger number of humans

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Date: 17/03/2017 08:59:15
From: dv
ID: 1039271
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Boston Dynamics have done some research in this area.

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Date: 17/03/2017 11:39:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1039364
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Would anyone here buy a humanoid robot?

would you have a taking one or a silent one?

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Date: 17/03/2017 11:40:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1039365
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

talking one

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Date: 17/03/2017 11:59:57
From: Michael V
ID: 1039374
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Tau.Neutrino said:


Would anyone here buy a humanoid robot?

would you have a taking one or a silent one?

1. Not me.

2. Not applicable.

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Date: 18/03/2017 03:46:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1039571
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

I answered this one.

Date: 15/03/2017 19:49:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1038856
Subject: re: Number of emotions each day

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Date: 18/03/2017 03:50:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1039577
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Scifi usually has Androids as slaves (often abused) and when they develop sentience and/or emotions they kind of resent us.

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Date: 18/03/2017 04:30:11
From: dv
ID: 1039588
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-worker-at-volkswagen-plant-in-germany

Contractor was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate at the plant in Baunatal

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Date: 18/03/2017 04:45:57
From: btm
ID: 1039595
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

dv said:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-worker-at-volkswagen-plant-in-germany

Contractor was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate at the plant in Baunatal

I find it interesting that in any discussion of robots, people trot out Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics”, apparently ascribing them some sort of legitimacy; they’re also invoked in other science fiction stories (eg Aliens). They’ve even been quoted in this thread.

In real life, though, they are simply not being applied, as stories like this illustrate.

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Date: 18/03/2017 04:48:35
From: dv
ID: 1039597
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

btm said:


dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-worker-at-volkswagen-plant-in-germany

Contractor was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate at the plant in Baunatal

I find it interesting that in any discussion of robots, people trot out Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics”, apparently ascribing them some sort of legitimacy; they’re also invoked in other science fiction stories (eg Aliens). They’ve even been quoted in this thread.

In real life, though, they are simply not being applied, as stories like this illustrate.

I’m pretty sure people realise it is just a fictional list.

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Date: 18/03/2017 05:01:24
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1039601
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

btm said:


dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-worker-at-volkswagen-plant-in-germany

Contractor was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate at the plant in Baunatal

I find it interesting that in any discussion of robots, people trot out Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics”, apparently ascribing them some sort of legitimacy; they’re also invoked in other science fiction stories (eg Aliens). They’ve even been quoted in this thread.

In real life, though, they are simply not being applied, as stories like this illustrate.

There’s a good reason that they’re not being applied. They’re abysmally stupid.

Almost as stupid as giving a robot a positronic brain. Which is also trotted out at frequent intervals.

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Date: 18/03/2017 06:13:48
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1039615
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

There is also the blur between machine and robot.

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Date: 18/03/2017 08:15:58
From: transition
ID: 1039647
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

I see emotions as a configuring force for mental resources.

Related to _ internal mental states_ (non-pathologizing sense).

Mental states are more the home in your head. You know it has a feel about it.

Of self-awareness or consciousness, it’s like eyeballs that see out and inward. The latter’s like a _feel-see_(sensing of internal, the workings also)

Generally of all of the above, I try to understand them in the context of homeostasis, or homeostatic mechanisms.

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Date: 18/03/2017 08:43:43
From: transition
ID: 1039650
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

fried eggs on toast shortly

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Date: 18/03/2017 08:51:23
From: Arts
ID: 1039660
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

dv said:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-worker-at-volkswagen-plant-in-germany

Contractor was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate at the plant in Baunatal

the story is incorrect.. the robot didn’t kill the worker.. the worker was killed by the robot. there was no intent to kill.

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Date: 18/03/2017 08:55:22
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1039667
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

¿active voice implies intent now?

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Date: 18/03/2017 08:57:35
From: transition
ID: 1039668
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Arts said:


dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-worker-at-volkswagen-plant-in-germany

Contractor was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate at the plant in Baunatal

the story is incorrect.. the robot didn’t kill the worker.. the worker was killed by the robot. there was no intent to kill.

the media like that word, though one can assume the person died from injuries.

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Date: 18/03/2017 08:59:05
From: Michael V
ID: 1039670
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Falling branch kills camper.

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:03:09
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 1039672
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

transition said:


Arts said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-worker-at-volkswagen-plant-in-germany

Contractor was setting up the stationary robot when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate at the plant in Baunatal

the story is incorrect.. the robot didn’t kill the worker.. the worker was killed by the robot. there was no intent to kill.

the media like that word, though one can assume the person died from injuries.

there may have been intent…

no one spoke about the flatulance jokes the worker kept making after volkswagen’s emissions lawsuit..

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:03:14
From: transition
ID: 1039674
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Michael V said:


Falling branch kills camper.

the murder of media headlines

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:04:55
From: Arts
ID: 1039675
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

SCIENCE said:


¿active voice implies intent now?

sure, why the hell not?

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:05:24
From: Arts
ID: 1039678
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Michael V said:


Falling branch kills camper.

falling, yes… but – branch kills camper.. no…

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:05:41
From: dv
ID: 1039679
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

I’m with SCIENCE.

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:06:55
From: Arts
ID: 1039680
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

stumpy_seahorse said:


transition said:

Arts said:

the story is incorrect.. the robot didn’t kill the worker.. the worker was killed by the robot. there was no intent to kill.

the media like that word, though one can assume the person died from injuries.

there may have been intent…

no one spoke about the flatulance jokes the worker kept making after volkswagen’s emissions lawsuit..

no, they aren’t allowed to kill.. has no-one read the laws?

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:08:22
From: Michael V
ID: 1039681
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Falling branch kills camper.

falling, yes… but – branch kills camper.. no…

Avalanche kills skiers.

Earthquake kills thousands.

Tsunami kills 240,000.

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:09:13
From: party_pants
ID: 1039682
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

I’m with DV

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:10:28
From: Arts
ID: 1039683
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Michael V said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Falling branch kills camper.

falling, yes… but – branch kills camper.. no…

Avalanche kills skiers.

Earthquake kills thousands.

Tsunami kills 240,000.

there are no laws binding natural disasters

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:12:15
From: dv
ID: 1039684
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Michael V said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Falling branch kills camper.

falling, yes… but – branch kills camper.. no…

Avalanche kills skiers.

Earthquake kills thousands.

Tsunami kills 240,000.

Cancer kills millions.

https://books.google.com.au/books?isbn=0199831785
“Radium killed other Americans who worked with it, including both the chemist (Edwin Lemen) and the founder (Sabin von Sochocky) of U.S. Radium Corporation.”

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:12:40
From: dv
ID: 1039686
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

party_pants said:


I’m with DV

And DV is with me

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:15:03
From: Michael V
ID: 1039687
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

falling, yes… but – branch kills camper.. no…

Avalanche kills skiers.

Earthquake kills thousands.

Tsunami kills 240,000.

there are no laws binding natural disasters

Ah, I see now. An Asimov Law prohibits intent. I content that that law is a fiction.

;)

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:16:40
From: transition
ID: 1039688
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

It’s not just media that go around the injury aspect (in the case of death). There’s an aversion to the intermediate. There are a couple of reasons.

Firstly while the audience is indulging their casual intrigue (for entertainment) the real horror escapes them. To be entertainment this is necessary, and you’ll not question much your interest in the matter.

The other thing it does is stop you considering the question of how would this be seen different if the person had variously survived.

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:17:41
From: Arts
ID: 1039689
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Michael V said:


Arts said:

Michael V said:

Avalanche kills skiers.

Earthquake kills thousands.

Tsunami kills 240,000.

there are no laws binding natural disasters

Ah, I see now. An Asimov Law prohibits intent. I content that that law is a fiction.

;)

still, all news articles should follow them

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:18:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1039690
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

They shot it dead on the runway, because they lacked the imagination and wherewithal to capture the little fella.

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:18:44
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1039691
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Meant for chat.

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:22:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1039693
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Arts said:


Michael V said:

Arts said:

there are no laws binding natural disasters

Ah, I see now. An Asimov Law prohibits intent. I content that that law is a fiction.

;)

still, all news articles should follow them

I concede that most news articles contain some fictional (or enhanced) content, but alternative facts demand alternative fictions.

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Date: 18/03/2017 09:42:52
From: dv
ID: 1039700
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

Peak Warming Man said:


Meant for chat.

Or as we say in English, cat

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Date: 18/03/2017 10:18:00
From: Ian
ID: 1039704
Subject: re: Robots and Emotions

The Fourth Law is ok but.. “When turning evil, display a red indicator light.”

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