Date: 30/03/2017 02:35:00
From: dv
ID: 1044374
Subject: Old Weather

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-century-old-arctic-shipwreck-could-help-us-predict-extreme-weather/

A Century-Old Arctic Shipwreck Could Help Us Predict Extreme Weather

In 1879, the USS Jeannette and her crew left San Francisco, headed for the Bering Strait with a dream: to win the race to reach the North Pole. After months of perilous sailing, the Jeannette made it through the strait. But soon after, she got stuck in the grip of ice floes, or sheets of floating ice.

For two years, members of the Jeannette’s crew waited, recording observations about the strange Arctic world around them in the ship’s logbooks: temperatures, barometric pressure, features of the beautiful auroras above them and more. They hoped that the ice sheets would move, releasing the Jeannette and allowing the crew to return to San Francisco. But the ice persisted, and the Jeannette was eventually crushed. She sank to the bottom of the ocean, leaving the surviving members of her crew to trek hundreds of miles across the ice toward safety. Of the 33-member crew that had left San Francisco, only 13 returned.

Today, the Jeannette’s recovered logbooks tell incredible stories about life, death, Arctic temperatures, fear and boredom. The records, which originally existed only in federal archives, are now available to anyone who wants to read them on a website called Old Weather.

Old Weather is a gathering place for more than 4,500 citizen-sleuths who are helping climate scientists map our planet’s ancient weather patterns, for free, one logbook at a time. These volunteers read and transcribe notes from sailors, hoping to map the mostly unknown history of our planet’s weather patterns.

https://www.oldweather.org/about.html


The Project
Old Weather volunteers explore, mark, and transcribe historic ship’s logs from the 19th and early 20th centuries. We need your help because this task is impossible for computers, due to diverse and idiosyncratic handwriting that only human beings can read and understand effectively.

By participating in Old Weather you’ll be helping advance research in multiple fields. Data about past weather and sea-ice conditions are vital for climate scientists, while historians value knowing about the course of a voyage and the events that transpired. Since many of these logs haven’t been examined since they were originally filled in by a mariner long ago you might even discover something surprising.

About the Science

Millions of weather, ocean, and sea-ice observations recorded by mariners and scientists over the past 150 years are being recovered by Old Weather. These data are made freely available in digital formats suitable for climate model assimilation, retrospective analysis (reanalysis), and other kinds of research. The performance of data-assimilating modeling and extended reanalysis systems is greatly improved, the uncertainty of results (especially in sparsely observed regions like the Arctic) is reduced, and new long-period calibration and validation data sets are being created. As the historical data resource is extended farther back in time it will be possible to study a wider range of weather and climate phenomena and to better understand their impact on the Arctic and global environment, now and in the future.

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Date: 30/03/2017 03:20:35
From: Cymek
ID: 1044384
Subject: re: Old Weather

It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

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Date: 30/03/2017 03:22:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1044387
Subject: re: Old Weather

I am an Arctic researcher. Donald Trump is deleting my citations

These politically motivated data deletions come at a time when the Arctic is warming twice as fast as the global average

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/arctic-researcher-donald-trump-deleting-my-citations

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Date: 30/03/2017 04:14:26
From: dv
ID: 1044399
Subject: re: Old Weather

Cymek said:


It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

Thanks to satellite monitoring, you don’t need to perform this experiment to know that the location in which the ship was trapped is now ice free for most of the year, and never has thick ice.

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Date: 30/03/2017 04:16:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1044401
Subject: re: Old Weather

dv said:


Cymek said:

It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

Thanks to satellite monitoring, you don’t need to perform this experiment to know that the location in which the ship was trapped is now ice free for most of the year, and never has thick ice.

thank goodness for that.

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Date: 30/03/2017 04:22:15
From: dv
ID: 1044404
Subject: re: Old Weather

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

Thanks to satellite monitoring, you don’t need to perform this experiment to know that the location in which the ship was trapped is now ice free for most of the year, and never has thick ice.

thank goodness for that.

It’s nice that you can see the good side.

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Date: 30/03/2017 04:30:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1044409
Subject: re: Old Weather

I’m thinking about Bubblecar’s post about the man who is losing his citations.Doesn’t it just show the futility of publishing on the web?

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Date: 30/03/2017 04:33:13
From: dv
ID: 1044410
Subject: re: Old Weather

sarahs mum said:


I’m thinking about Bubblecar’s post about the man who is losing his citations. Doesn’t it just show the futility of publishing on the web?

I think it shows the importance of backups.

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Date: 30/03/2017 04:44:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1044422
Subject: re: Old Weather

sarahs mum said:


I’m thinking about Bubblecar’s post about the man who is losing his citations.Doesn’t it just show the futility of publishing on the web?

It’s a woman actually: Victoria Herrmann is the Managing Director The Arctic Institute, a Gates Scholar at Cambridge University, and a National Geographic Explorer. Her research focuses on human development, climate change and adaptation in the Arctic.

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Date: 30/03/2017 05:00:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1044437
Subject: re: Old Weather

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

I’m thinking about Bubblecar’s post about the man who is losing his citations.Doesn’t it just show the futility of publishing on the web?

It’s a woman actually: Victoria Herrmann is the Managing Director The Arctic Institute, a Gates Scholar at Cambridge University, and a National Geographic Explorer. Her research focuses on human development, climate change and adaptation in the Arctic.

sorry for not noticing. sorry I was gender selective without noticing.

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Date: 30/03/2017 05:02:32
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1044440
Subject: re: Old Weather

>>Gates Scholar at Cambridge University

Ohh Bill’s trying to do a Cecil at Cambridge.

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Date: 30/03/2017 05:07:56
From: dv
ID: 1044443
Subject: re: Old Weather

Peak Warming Man said:


>>Gates Scholar at Cambridge University

Ohh Bill’s trying to do a Cecil at Cambridge.

Could be a joke in there … gates … roads …

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Date: 30/03/2017 07:26:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1044561
Subject: re: Old Weather

Bubblecar said:


I am an Arctic researcher. Donald Trump is deleting my citations

These politically motivated data deletions come at a time when the Arctic is warming twice as fast as the global average

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/arctic-researcher-donald-trump-deleting-my-citations

So who is deleting this stuff? Presumably not Donald himself?

Are these things not in the free Internet archives, or have they been deleted from there as well?

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Date: 30/03/2017 08:02:32
From: dv
ID: 1044580
Subject: re: Old Weather

The Rev Dodgson said:

So who is deleting this stuff? Presumably not Donald himself?

It is widely reported that the president has no level of computer literacy. It is a very safe bet that he is not making these deletions. They are being carried out by EPA staff.

Are these things not in the free Internet archives, or have they been deleted from there as well?

I don’t think the US Federal government can delete archives outside the USA.

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Date: 30/03/2017 10:13:08
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1044665
Subject: re: Old Weather

sarahs mum said:


I’m thinking about Bubblecar’s post about the man who is losing his citations.Doesn’t it just show the futility of publishing on the web?

I came to the conclusion a couple of months ago that somewhere between 15% and 25% of Wikipedia’s citations have already disappeared.

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Date: 30/03/2017 10:20:22
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1044673
Subject: re: Old Weather

> Old Weather is a gathering place for more than 4,500 citizen-sleuths who are helping climate scientists map our planet’s ancient weather patterns, for free, one logbook at a time. These volunteers read and transcribe notes from sailors, hoping to map the mostly unknown history of our planet’s weather patterns.

That sounds a very worthwhile project. Pity I don’t read Portuguese. I’ve often wanted to read the logs of the Portuguese sailors to sailed to the East Indes in the 16th century.

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Date: 30/03/2017 15:33:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1044790
Subject: re: Old Weather

Cymek said:


It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

It would be an interesting experiment to send all members of One Nation on an old wooden ship to the south pole.

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Date: 30/03/2017 16:23:23
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1044836
Subject: re: Old Weather

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

It would be an interesting experiment to send all members of One Nation on an old wooden ship to the south pole.

Pauline Hanson “See, there’s plenty of ice here, all that climate change is nonsense”

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Date: 30/03/2017 19:50:24
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1044847
Subject: re: Old Weather

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

It would be an interesting experiment to send all members of One Nation on an old wooden ship to the south pole.

Really now, even Hanson would know that the South Pole is land, not ocean. You have to be more subtle than that.

Send One Nation members on an all expenses paid trip to the geographic feature named after Pauline Hanson.

Mount Hanson, 85° 28’ 00.0” S 147° 26’ 00.0” W
“A mountain rising to 800 m, standing 1 mi SE of Supporting Party Mountain in the Harold Byrd Mountains. Discovered in December 1929 by the ByrdAE geological party under Laurence Gould, and named by R. Admiral Byrd.”

Don’t tell them it’s a one way trip.

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Date: 30/03/2017 19:57:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 1044848
Subject: re: Old Weather

mollwollfumble said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

It would an interesting experiment to recreate the expedition and see if a ship today would get trapped (or deliberately get it trapped) or would the ice floes melt or not even exist

It would be an interesting experiment to send all members of One Nation on an old wooden ship to the south pole.

Really now, even Hanson would know that the South Pole is land, not ocean. You have to be more subtle than that.

Send One Nation members on an all expenses paid trip to the geographic feature named after Pauline Hanson.

Mount Hanson, 85° 28’ 00.0” S 147° 26’ 00.0” W
“A mountain rising to 800 m, standing 1 mi SE of Supporting Party Mountain in the Harold Byrd Mountains. Discovered in December 1929 by the ByrdAE geological party under Laurence Gould, and named by R. Admiral Byrd.”

Don’t tell them it’s a one way trip.

Shades of Douglas Adams.

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Date: 30/03/2017 20:05:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1044850
Subject: re: Old Weather

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

It would be an interesting experiment to send all members of One Nation on an old wooden ship to the south pole.

Really now, even Hanson would know that the South Pole is land, not ocean. You have to be more subtle than that.

Send One Nation members on an all expenses paid trip to the geographic feature named after Pauline Hanson.

Mount Hanson, 85° 28’ 00.0” S 147° 26’ 00.0” W
“A mountain rising to 800 m, standing 1 mi SE of Supporting Party Mountain in the Harold Byrd Mountains. Discovered in December 1929 by the ByrdAE geological party under Laurence Gould, and named by R. Admiral Byrd.”

Don’t tell them it’s a one way trip.

Shades of Douglas Adams.

Really? Which part? I don’t recognise it.

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Date: 30/03/2017 20:14:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1044852
Subject: re: Old Weather

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Really now, even Hanson would know that the South Pole is land, not ocean. You have to be more subtle than that.

Send One Nation members on an all expenses paid trip to the geographic feature named after Pauline Hanson.

Mount Hanson, 85° 28’ 00.0” S 147° 26’ 00.0” W
“A mountain rising to 800 m, standing 1 mi SE of Supporting Party Mountain in the Harold Byrd Mountains. Discovered in December 1929 by the ByrdAE geological party under Laurence Gould, and named by R. Admiral Byrd.”

Don’t tell them it’s a one way trip.

Shades of Douglas Adams.

Really? Which part? I don’t recognise it.

Think it was restaurant at the end of the universe? They came across a spaceship full of people like telephone sanitizers.. Apparently they were told that the world was going to end and that people were being evacuated in three stages. Theirs was the first, the last was to be the scientists since they needed to coordinate the operation.

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Date: 30/03/2017 20:23:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1044854
Subject: re: Old Weather

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Shades of Douglas Adams.

Really? Which part? I don’t recognise it.

Think it was restaurant at the end of the universe? They came across a spaceship full of people like telephone sanitizers.. Apparently they were told that the world was going to end and that people were being evacuated in three stages. Theirs was the first, the last was to be the scientists since they needed to coordinate the operation.

um.. http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golgafrincham

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