Date: 7/04/2017 00:06:51
From: transition
ID: 1047800
Subject: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

What happens displaces what might have otherwise been.

I type this instead of doing whatever other jobs. My day is changed by doing so.

This awareness is with me and influences my behaviour.

So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

In what sense are displaced possibilities real?

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Date: 7/04/2017 00:10:46
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1047802
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

Have you seen the film Sliding Doors?

There is always a question of What If…? and other coincidences such as stories of people who were supposed to catch certain doomed flights but something changes their plans at the last minute.

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Date: 7/04/2017 01:13:17
From: Cymek
ID: 1047816
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

It’s not quite a what if, but every single persons existence could quite easily be changed, a slightly different sperm fertilisers an egg and the you that exists is no more.

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Date: 7/04/2017 01:14:57
From: furious
ID: 1047817
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

What is the difference between a “slightly different sperm” and a “completely different sperm”?

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Date: 7/04/2017 01:22:29
From: Cymek
ID: 1047819
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

furious said:

  • a slightly different sperm fertilisers an egg

What is the difference between a “slightly different sperm” and a “completely different sperm”?

Nothing really, more that the change could be more subtle with a slight difference and it shows that the chances of you existing are very small, but yeah either way it doesn’t really matter.

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Date: 7/04/2017 02:05:39
From: diddly-squat
ID: 1047841
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

transition said:


What happens displaces what might have otherwise been.

I type this instead of doing whatever other jobs. My day is changed by doing so.

This awareness is with me and influences my behaviour.

So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

In what sense are displaced possibilities real?

Given that we have no ability to determine the outcome of future events, it seems the “what would have happened if we had taken a different path” question is somewhat nonsensical. What we do now however is that (in a macro sense at least) causality is a hard thing to avoid.

This is however, all very “Mistborn”.

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Date: 7/04/2017 03:21:46
From: transition
ID: 1047881
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

>it seems the “what would have happened if we had taken a different path” question is somewhat nonsensical. What we do now however is that (in a macro sense at least) causality is a hard thing to avoid.

I think everything that is, is somewhat pregnant with what might’ve otherwise been, so to speak.

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:01:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1047913
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

>So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

You’ve asked this question before and it seems an odd one. It seems clear that if you’re doing a certain thing and not other things, then the other things aren’t happening :)

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:04:32
From: transition
ID: 1047915
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

Bubblecar said:


>So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

You’ve asked this question before and it seems an odd one. It seems clear that if you’re doing a certain thing and not other things, then the other things aren’t happening :)

most people know of the displacement, it’s one of the big reasons people get paid what they do, because they could be elsewhere doing something else.

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:05:39
From: transition
ID: 1047916
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

>So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

You’ve asked this question before and it seems an odd one. It seems clear that if you’re doing a certain thing and not other things, then the other things aren’t happening :)

most people know of the displacement, it’s one of the big reasons people get paid what they do, because they could be elsewhere doing something else.

like work, ya job.

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:07:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1047919
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

>So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

You’ve asked this question before and it seems an odd one. It seems clear that if you’re doing a certain thing and not other things, then the other things aren’t happening :)

most people know of the displacement, it’s one of the big reasons people get paid what they do, because they could be elsewhere doing something else.

They could be but since they’re not, the something else elsewhere is imaginary.

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:09:02
From: transition
ID: 1047920
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

>They could be but since they’re not, the something else elsewhere is imaginary.

half of human reality is imaginary.

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:10:08
From: furious
ID: 1047922
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

The “other” does not exist, no decision is in isolation and the alternative possibilities are infinite. Before a future event, whether it occurs or not is a matter of probabilities. After the event occurs, no matter the outcome, all other possibilities cease to exist for all purposes except as speculative “what ifs” which may influence new future events but are still separate from them…

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:10:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1047923
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

transition said:


>They could be but since they’re not, the something else elsewhere is imaginary.

half of human reality is imaginary.

Our experience of the world is transformed by our imaginations in many ways, yes.

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:14:46
From: transition
ID: 1047926
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

>After the event occurs, no matter the outcome, all other possibilities cease to exist for all purposes except as speculative “what ifs” which may influence new future events but are still separate from them…

this is my dunno point.

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Date: 7/04/2017 04:33:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1047932
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

transition said:


Bubblecar said:

>So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

You’ve asked this question before and it seems an odd one. It seems clear that if you’re doing a certain thing and not other things, then the other things aren’t happening :)

most people know of the displacement, it’s one of the big reasons people get paid what they do, because they could be elsewhere doing something else.

I know for me it’s very tempting when I arrive in the city to get that train right back out again and go home

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Date: 7/04/2017 05:29:22
From: transition
ID: 1047944
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

transition said:


>After the event occurs, no matter the outcome, all other possibilities cease to exist for all purposes except as speculative “what ifs” which may influence new future events but are still separate from them…

this is my dunno point.

Like science (scientific method) is much about predictive power, which is a real connection between the past, the present, and what is likely in the future. Cause and effect make what is now pregnant with something of the past, including that excluded.

Same applied to every-day aspects of memory, anticipation.

Humans do a lot of reverse-engineering nature too, which is related imo.

I think there is a possibility space, an aether. Consideration of the flipside of various every-day-whatevers, you see it in these.

It’s perhaps not something extreme materialism is accommodating of.

Dunno, take something dumb, like the orbit of the earth around the sun. The sun and the earth are real things, as is the gravitational attraction. The orbit is something else (more perhaps). It’s not that the orbiting isn’t real, it is, but’s more the relationship of two masses. The current orbit (structure) excludes a lot. Like the mass of the earth, with all that kinetic energy, without the gravitation of the sun’d shoot off in a straight line (sorta, indulge me). Earth’s in a stable orbit. The stable orbit is a connection between past into the future. About these masses, the gravitational attraction and the kinetic energy, is a mechanism.

This and this do that. This and this doing that makes other things less likely, or impossible.

There’s probably better examples, like what is a lint brush when you use it backwards? A lint applicator perhaps. By design and having been used as a lint remover it has about it the possibility of being a lint applicator.

I tend to think that once there are mechanisms there is a possibility space. Or, possibility space makes mechanisms possible.

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Date: 8/04/2017 10:23:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1048755
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

transition said:


What happens displaces what might have otherwise been.

I type this instead of doing whatever other jobs. My day is changed by doing so.

This awareness is with me and influences my behaviour.

So, are the things displaced by the present trajectory of my behaviours just in my head (of me), or does some of it exist outside my head?

In what sense are displaced possibilities real?

Did you get this idea from the April 1 edition of apod?

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap170401.html

Explanation: Just now, before you hit the button, two future universes are possible. After pressing the button, though, you will live in only one. A real-web version of the famous Schrödinger’s cat experiment, clicking the red button in the featured astronaut image should transform that image into a picture of the same astronaut holding one of two cats — one living, or one dead. The timing of your click, combined with the wiring of your brain and the millisecond timing of your device, will all conspire together to create a result dominated, potentially, by the randomness of quantum mechanics.

Some believe that your personally-initiated quantum decision will split the universe in two, and that both the live-cat and dead-cat universes exist in separate parts of a larger multiverse. Others believe that the result of your click will collapse the two possible universes into one — in a way that could not have been predicted beforehand. Yet others believe that the universe is classically deterministic, so that by pressing the button you did not really split the universe, but just carried out an action predestined since time began. We at APOD believe that however foolish you may feel clicking the red button, and regardless of the outcome, you should have a happy April Fool’s Day.

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Date: 8/04/2017 11:03:38
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1048807
Subject: re: displacement of what otherwise'd 'ave been (the aether)

mollwollfumble said:


Yet others believe that the universe is classically deterministic, so that by pressing the button you did not really split the universe, but just carried out an action predestined since time began.

Does anyone really still believe that?

Strange that they didn’t include the simplest possibility, that involves universes neither splitting, combining, or being deterministic.

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