If you looked at each President of America.

How long does it take for each President do go to war with another country?

They have been at war for most of time.

Has every American President been involved in a war of some kind?

Tau.Neutrino said:

If you looked at each President of America.

How long does it take for each President do go to war with another country?

They have been at war for most of time.

Has every American President been involved in a war of some kind?

The answer to this would depend on the definition of war. Most narrowly defined, no US president has been involved in a war since Truman.

But taking a less legalistic view …
The US is still involved in conflicts that it first entered 16 years ago under the Bush administration, so the amount of time it took Obama and Trump to “be involved” in a war of some kind was 0 days, 0 hours.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

If you looked at each President of America.

How long does it take for each President do go to war with another country?

They have been at war for most of time.

Has every American President been involved in a war of some kind?

The answer to this would depend on the definition of war. Most narrowly defined, no US president has been involved in a war since Truman.

But taking a less legalistic view …
The US is still involved in conflicts that it first entered 16 years ago under the Bush administration, so the amount of time it took Obama and Trump to “be involved” in a war of some kind was 0 days, 0 hours.

The Korean war of 60+ years ago hasn’t ended yet.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

If you looked at each President of America.

How long does it take for each President do go to war with another country?

They have been at war for most of time.

Has every American President been involved in a war of some kind?

The answer to this would depend on the definition of war. Most narrowly defined, no US president has been involved in a war since Truman.

But taking a less legalistic view …
The US is still involved in conflicts that it first entered 16 years ago under the Bush administration, so the amount of time it took Obama and Trump to “be involved” in a war of some kind was 0 days, 0 hours.

The Korean war of 60+ years ago hasn’t ended yet.

From the standpoint of the US, they were never at war with Korea. The Truman administration considered the US involvement in the Korean conflict as “a police action”.

Formally, the last time the US was at war was in WW2.

It would be interesting to see the cost of all these various conflicts combined, couple of trillion I imagine

Cymek said:

It would be interesting to see the cost of all these various conflicts combined, couple of trillion I imagine

Most of the money stays in the US, defence contracts etc, it’s nation building like the Hoover dam.

Cymek said:

It would be interesting to see the cost of all these various conflicts combined, couple of trillion I imagine

There’s some estimates made here. They are in FY2011 USD, so you’d need to add some 15% to these estimates to put them into modern money. And of course there has also been further expenditure on warfare since this report was compiled in 2011.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

It comes to about 8 trillion USD.

The media loved Trump’s show of military might. Are we really doing this again?

>>>Walt later told me that the news media now must look forward and ask deeper questions.

Does humanity win in a war/conflict?

Is that question ok?

Tau.Neutrino said:

The media loved Trump’s show of military might. Are we really doing this again?

>>>Walt later told me that the news media now must look forward and ask deeper questions.

Does humanity win in a war/conflict?

Is that question ok?

Hard to say.

Did “humanity” win in the US Civil War? Arguably.

Title should be Americas Wars and Conflicts

fixed

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

The media loved Trump’s show of military might. Are we really doing this again?

>>>Walt later told me that the news media now must look forward and ask deeper questions.

Does humanity win in a war/conflict?

Is that question ok?

Hard to say.

Did “humanity” win in the US Civil War? Arguably.

Good point.

TIL the last three countries that the US declared war with were Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary

dv said:

TIL the last three countries that the US declared war with were Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary

Vampires wars

I mentioned a Russian invasion / massive war in the Middle East a while ago

I see trump launching a land war in Syria to oust Assad backed up by the American navy

The yank ships in the med will be sunk

First strike the American base in turkey and Syria – the Americans would be launching from turkey so that airbase will need to be taken down

To the east North Korea will if it has any brains strike first – waiting for the first round of bombings will only leave them weakened

By striking first North Korea can unload all of its munitions instead of it being weakened by strikes by the yanks carrier group is taken down, South Korean capital attacked – power plants knocked out – South Korea goes dark

wookiemeister said:

I mentioned a Russian invasion / massive war in the Middle East a while ago

I see trump launching a land war in Syria to oust Assad backed up by the American navy

The yank ships in the med will be sunk

First strike the American base in turkey and Syria – the Americans would be launching from turkey so that airbase will need to be taken down

To the east North Korea will if it has any brains strike first – waiting for the first round of bombings will only leave them weakened

By striking first North Korea can unload all of its munitions instead of it being weakened by strikes by the yanks carrier group is taken down, South Korean capital attacked – power plants knocked out – South Korea goes dark

You wish

A land invasion to secure the corridor to Syria is opened

Israel has the choice to align with the yanks – they now are involved with a land and air war with syria, Lebanon and Russia and Iran and Iraq

It’s true Israel has nukes , they might use them but the holy land will be glassed – the dome of the rock is now a massive crater and the prophecy island conclusively to rest

America returns fire in support of Israel

Russia returns fire

Casualties in first 24 hours 500 million

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

I mentioned a Russian invasion / massive war in the Middle East a while ago

I see trump launching a land war in Syria to oust Assad backed up by the American navy

The yank ships in the med will be sunk

First strike the American base in turkey and Syria – the Americans would be launching from turkey so that airbase will need to be taken down

To the east North Korea will if it has any brains strike first – waiting for the first round of bombings will only leave them weakened

By striking first North Korea can unload all of its munitions instead of it being weakened by strikes by the yanks carrier group is taken down, South Korean capital attacked – power plants knocked out – South Korea goes dark

You wish

We’ll see

All western capitals now glassed

Britain uninhabitable for 100,000 years

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

I mentioned a Russian invasion / massive war in the Middle East a while ago

I see trump launching a land war in Syria to oust Assad backed up by the American navy

The yank ships in the med will be sunk

First strike the American base in turkey and Syria – the Americans would be launching from turkey so that airbase will need to be taken down

To the east North Korea will if it has any brains strike first – waiting for the first round of bombings will only leave them weakened

By striking first North Korea can unload all of its munitions instead of it being weakened by strikes by the yanks carrier group is taken down, South Korean capital attacked – power plants knocked out – South Korea goes dark

You wish

We’ll see

Your last prediction of burning carriers didn’t eventuate.

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

I mentioned a Russian invasion / massive war in the Middle East a while ago

I see trump launching a land war in Syria to oust Assad backed up by the American navy

The yank ships in the med will be sunk

First strike the American base in turkey and Syria – the Americans would be launching from turkey so that airbase will need to be taken down

To the east North Korea will if it has any brains strike first – waiting for the first round of bombings will only leave them weakened

By striking first North Korea can unload all of its munitions instead of it being weakened by strikes by the yanks carrier group is taken down, South Korean capital attacked – power plants knocked out – South Korea goes dark

You wish

We’ll see

Your last prediction of burning carriers didn’t eventuate.

I’m seeing Australian military bases being hit

I’m making sure if things get real myself and my family are 100km away from them

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

You wish

We’ll see

Your last prediction of burning carriers didn’t eventuate.

We’ll see

Major Australian ADF bases finished

Casualties maybe 10,000

In other news sparky the talking parrot visits a football club

Please return to your normal viewing

Say, wookie, how are you on zoology?

I can only see dangers in any escalation on the Korean peninsula. It couldn’t be that hard to engage NK and hopefully sign a peace treaty. I think an end to US/SK war games (we can always restart them) might be all we need to see some significant progress in the relationship.

> If you looked at each President of America. How long does it take for each President do go to war with another country?

Tends to get shorter each time. Obama managed to get a peace prize before starting a war.
Obama started office January 20, 2009.
The U.S. was supporting the rebels in Syria by Dec. 2011.

Jan 29, 2002 was the date that the U.S. under George W. Bush switched wars from the war in Afghanistan to the war in Libya and elsewhere, without even a day’s gap in between.

> They have been at war for most of time. Has every American President been involved in a war of some kind?

Not all.

Let’s have a look at some early presidents.

Washington – in the revolutionary war before he became president in 1789. As president, he first proclaimed American neutrality in the French Revolutionary Wars of 1792. But then entered the war on the side of France in 1795.

Adams – became president 4 Mar 1798. Initially exited from the French revolutionary wars. But then entered the war against France later in 1798.

Jefferson – became president 4 Mar 1801. At about the same date, declared war against the “Barbary Coast” from Morocco to Tripoli. The US’s first foreign war.

Madison – became president 4 Mar 1809. Entered the Napoleonic Wars in 1812.

Monroe – became president 4 Mar 1817. No wars, unless you count Florida. Very many international treaties, with Britain, Russia, Spain, recognition of the new South American countries, Mexico, Canada. Seized Florida from Spain.

JQ Adams – became president 4 Mar 1825. NO WARS. Treaties with Denmark, Mexico, Scandinavia, Prussia and Austria. Resolution of the border dispute between Maine and Canada.

Jackson – became president 4 Mar 1829. Was a soldier in 1812 before becoming president. Began three wars against the American Indians starting in 1832. International agreements with France, Denmark, Portugal, Spain, Russia, Turkey, Great Britain and Thailand. No international wars.

Van Buren – became president 4 Mar 1837. Continuation of the Second Seminole Indian War throughout his whole presidency.

Harrison – was a soldier before presidency, back in 1812. Became president 4 Mar 1841, died 4 Apr 1841. The American Indian wars would have continued.

Tyler – became president 4 Apr 1841. Increase in military power. Annexed Texas. No war during his presidency.

Polk – became president 4 Mar 1845. Entered Mexican-American war in late 1945. Finished Mexican-American war.

Taylor – became president 4 Mar 1849. A soldier in the Mexican-American war before becoming president. No war during his presidency. Stopped Venezuela from conquering Cuba by arresting the leader.

Fillmore – became president 9 Jul 1850. Concerns over Japan, Hawaii, Cuba and Hungary. No war during his presidency.

Pierce – became president 4 Mar 1853. Avoided getting dragged into the Crimean War. No war during his presidency.

Buchanan – became president 4 Mar 1857. Utah War. Sent the army against the Mormons in Nov 1857. Expansionist plans largely blocked, but resulted in movement of territory from the UK to Nicaragua and Honduras.

Lincoln – became president 4 Mar 1861. Started the American Civil War.

In summary, of the first sixteen U.S presidents, five had no American military involvement in wars during their presidency. Six if you don’t count Monroe and the annexation of Florida as a war.

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Thought of the day. Instead of Trump building a wall between the U.S. and Mexico, why not buy it?

mollwollfumble said:

> If you looked at each President of America. How long does it take for each President do go to war with another country?

Tends to get shorter each time. Obama managed to get a peace prize before starting a war.
Obama started office January 20, 2009.
The U.S. was supporting the rebels in Syria by Dec. 2011.

Jan 29, 2002 was the date that the U.S. under George W. Bush switched wars from the war in Afghanistan to the war in Libya and elsewhere, without even a day’s gap in between.

> They have been at war for most of time. Has every American President been involved in a war of some kind?

Not all.

Let’s have a look at some early presidents.

Washington – in the revolutionary war before he became president in 1789. As president, he first proclaimed American neutrality in the French Revolutionary Wars of 1792. But then entered the war on the side of France in 1795.

Adams – became president 4 Mar 1798. Initially exited from the French revolutionary wars. But then entered the war against France later in 1798.

Jefferson – became president 4 Mar 1801. At about the same date, declared war against the “Barbary Coast” from Morocco to Tripoli. The US’s first foreign war.

Madison – became president 4 Mar 1809. Entered the Napoleonic Wars in 1812.

Monroe – became president 4 Mar 1817. No wars, unless you count Florida. Very many international treaties, with Britain, Russia, Spain, recognition of the new South American countries, Mexico, Canada. Seized Florida from Spain.

JQ Adams – became president 4 Mar 1825. NO WARS. Treaties with Denmark, Mexico, Scandinavia, Prussia and Austria. Resolution of the border dispute between Maine and Canada.

Jackson – became president 4 Mar 1829. Was a soldier in 1812 before becoming president. Began three wars against the American Indians starting in 1832. International agreements with France, Denmark, Portugal, Spain, Russia, Turkey, Great Britain and Thailand. No international wars.

Van Buren – became president 4 Mar 1837. Continuation of the Second Seminole Indian War throughout his whole presidency.

Harrison – was a soldier before presidency, back in 1812. Became president 4 Mar 1841, died 4 Apr 1841. The American Indian wars would have continued.

Tyler – became president 4 Apr 1841. Increase in military power. Annexed Texas. No war during his presidency.

Polk – became president 4 Mar 1845. Entered Mexican-American war in late 1945. Finished Mexican-American war.

Taylor – became president 4 Mar 1849. A soldier in the Mexican-American war before becoming president. No war during his presidency. Stopped Venezuela from conquering Cuba by arresting the leader.

Fillmore – became president 9 Jul 1850. Concerns over Japan, Hawaii, Cuba and Hungary. No war during his presidency.

Pierce – became president 4 Mar 1853. Avoided getting dragged into the Crimean War. No war during his presidency.

Buchanan – became president 4 Mar 1857. Utah War. Sent the army against the Mormons in Nov 1857. Expansionist plans largely blocked, but resulted in movement of territory from the UK to Nicaragua and Honduras.

Lincoln – became president 4 Mar 1861. Started the American Civil War.

In summary, of the first sixteen U.S presidents, five had no American military involvement in wars during their presidency. Six if you don’t count Monroe and the annexation of Florida as a war.

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Thought of the day. Instead of Trump building a wall between the U.S. and Mexico, why not buy it?

They tried that with California and now it’s infested with democrats…