MrsRule snores sometimes, and when I nudge her to roll over into the ‘recovery’ position (which stop the snoring) she very often says she’s awake. She is not aware that’s she’s snoring loudly, has no memory of doing it, but is obviously close to fully conscious.

What’s going on there?

Rule 303 said:

MrsRule snores sometimes, and when I nudge her to roll over into the ‘recovery’ position (which stop the snoring) she very often says she’s awake. She is not aware that’s she’s snoring loudly, has no memory of doing it, but is obviously close to fully conscious.

What’s going on there?

Stage of sleep at a guess.

Some where between REM sleep and twilight sleep and almost awake.

http://www.howsleepworks.com/types_nonrem.html

Maybe this article is helpful the non-REM sleep has 3 stages apparently

Rule 303 said:

MrsRule snores sometimes, and when I nudge her to roll over into the ‘recovery’ position (which stop the snoring) she very often says she’s awake. She is not aware that’s she’s snoring loudly, has no memory of doing it, but is obviously close to fully conscious.

What’s going on there?

She is possibly still vaguely awake but is unaware that she is snoring. I’ve noticed myself doing it. Almost dropped off and my own snoriing jolts me back awake.

Few things

Snoring probably serves the purpose of masking external noises, and desensitizes the snorer (incidently, my wife finds it reassuring, at a distance with a wall between us, it signals i’m not dead and available to fight intruders, if needed – think ancestral environment).

People in groups, and probably other animals, do a brief wakening and listen (and look i’d guess sometimes) to check things (where they are, babies present and breathing, fires still alight etc), this task can be loosely shared and alternated.

If you’re awake and nudged her then you’re the one on duty at that time, no need for her to be.

The throat muscle relaxation, or whatever it is, is involuntary, I can have it when awake when very tired (perhaps unwell), more so since I had a terrible grief seven years ago, and there’s another thing I do too being a rapid shallow wavering of inhalation/exhalation, or it would be if it wasn’t so shallow.

For a snorer the throat relaxation and sound can be as normal as breathing, and it is breathing.

Humans sleep because they are diurnal, so not so tired while wakeful, and we tend to sleep at the same time so as not to wake each other with activity. Sleeping so close to each other probably came with modern times and elevated beds (note something contradictory of effort once too near). To some extent it’s the modern bed and sleeping arrangement that helps pathologize snoring. Related, the living under a single roof has unintended difficulties too (of modern living).

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

MrsRule snores sometimes, and when I nudge her to roll over into the ‘recovery’ position (which stop the snoring) she very often says she’s awake. She is not aware that’s she’s snoring loudly, has no memory of doing it, but is obviously close to fully conscious.

What’s going on there?

She is possibly still vaguely awake but is unaware that she is snoring. I’ve noticed myself doing it. Almost dropped off and my own snoriing jolts me back awake.

Hmm, can’t say I’ve noticed it much. What I have noticed is that light sleepers snore less. That’s why I refer to snoring as “sound sleep”.

I would guess that sleepers adjust the strength of their snores to be just loud enough to almost wake themselves up.

The closest recent example I can think of is less than a month ago when mrs m was snoring just before waking up naturally. It took her only about five seconds to wake up, I told her that she was snoring and she denied it.

I have heard a doctor say that the measure of how loud medically significant snoring is is how many houses away it keeps the neighbours awake. Keeping everyone in the same house awake is normal. Keeping the next door neighbours awake is borderline for an operation. By the time it gets to three or four houses away, an operation becomes necessary.

monkey skipper said:

Rule 303 said:

MrsRule snores sometimes, and when I nudge her to roll over into the ‘recovery’ position (which stop the snoring) she very often says she’s awake. She is not aware that’s she’s snoring loudly, has no memory of doing it, but is obviously close to fully conscious.

What’s going on there?

Stage of sleep at a guess.

Some where between REM sleep and twilight sleep and almost awake.

Hard to imagine a person could be almost awake and not hear the snoring. It’s almost as though her brain is selectively deaf to it.

roughbarked said:

She is possibly still vaguely awake but is unaware that she is snoring. I’ve noticed myself doing it. Almost dropped off and my own snoriing jolts me back awake.

Is that possibly a myoclonic jerk?

mollwollfumble said:

I have heard a doctor say that the measure of how loud medically significant snoring is is how many houses away it keeps the neighbours awake. Keeping everyone in the same house awake is normal. Keeping the next door neighbours awake is borderline for an operation. By the time it gets to three or four houses away, an operation becomes necessary.

The snorer is gunna get stabbed, one way or another.

;-)

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Rule 303 said:

MrsRule snores sometimes, and when I nudge her to roll over into the ‘recovery’ position (which stop the snoring) she very often says she’s awake. She is not aware that’s she’s snoring loudly, has no memory of doing it, but is obviously close to fully conscious.

What’s going on there?

She is possibly still vaguely awake but is unaware that she is snoring. I’ve noticed myself doing it. Almost dropped off and my own snoriing jolts me back awake.

Hmm, can’t say I’ve noticed it much. What I have noticed is that light sleepers snore less. That’s why I refer to snoring as “sound sleep”.

I would guess that sleepers adjust the strength of their snores to be just loud enough to almost wake themselves up.

The closest recent example I can think of is less than a month ago when mrs m was snoring just before waking up naturally. It took her only about five seconds to wake up, I told her that she was snoring and she denied it.

I have heard a doctor say that the measure of how loud medically significant snoring is is how many houses away it keeps the neighbours awake. Keeping everyone in the same house awake is normal. Keeping the next door neighbours awake is borderline for an operation. By the time it gets to three or four houses away, an operation becomes necessary.

You don’t have to be deeply asleep to snore.

I can say I’ve had the same, I was watching tv at my mothers over xmas, and altho I was feeling very sleepy, I was still watching a movie.
Weird thing was mum said I had been snoring for over 10 min, yet I simply wasnt aware I was doing it, I could tell her everything that had just happened in the movie, yet I wasnt aware I’d been snoring- apparently I just didnt hear it…

seems people can do many different things subconsciously

Mr buffy claims I snore. From my perspective, I can be lying awake listening to the dogs and him snoring and then find myself being nudged and told that I am snoring. I am certain I have been lying there awake contemplating getting out of the warm bed and decamping to the other room. I can’t be absolutely sure I don’t snore, but his partial deafness (siren deafness) means I am highly suspicious that the snoring he hears is one of the dogs in the bedroom and he can’t locate it properly.

Snoring noise can also be exacerbated by the amount of alcohol consumed before retiring.

You have never heard snoring till you try and sleep in the big shed at the staging camp in Rockhampton, a big open area with about 500 blokes on squeaky stretchers.

AwesomeO said:

You have never heard snoring till you try and sleep in the big shed at the staging camp in Rockhampton, a big open area with about 500 blokes on squeaky stretchers.

Couldn’t be worse than trying to sleep in a stall in a block with 20 stallions.

Ian said:

AwesomeO said:

You have never heard snoring till you try and sleep in the big shed at the staging camp in Rockhampton, a big open area with about 500 blokes on squeaky stretchers.

Couldn’t be worse than trying to sleep in a stall in a block with 20 stallions.

Fold.

I thought the hearing sense was the last things switching to sleep mode and the first thing to switch on again.

snoring can wake a person up for example, first aiders try an arouse a response by speaking and touch together, smoke alarms etc etc

the person has dropped off to sleep or having an apnea , maybe the mrs should have a sleep study done?

monkey skipper said:

I thought the hearing sense was the last things switching to sleep mode and the first thing to switch on again.

snoring can wake a person up for example, first aiders try an arouse a response by speaking and touch together, smoke alarms etc etc

the person has dropped off to sleep or having an apnea , maybe the mrs should have a sleep study done?

If I am alone, my snoring can sometimes wake me. Often as not I’ll go to sleep before I start snoring but this all depends upon the position.

If someone else is in the room, they’ll tell me I’m snoring and I’ll say I wasn’t asleep. It is a zone where if your osophageus is relaxed and the body is in the right position, snoring will happen.

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

I thought the hearing sense was the last things switching to sleep mode and the first thing to switch on again.

snoring can wake a person up for example, first aiders try an arouse a response by speaking and touch together, smoke alarms etc etc

the person has dropped off to sleep or having an apnea , maybe the mrs should have a sleep study done?

If I am alone, my snoring can sometimes wake me. Often as not I’ll go to sleep before I start snoring but this all depends upon the position.

If someone else is in the room, they’ll tell me I’m snoring and I’ll say I wasn’t asleep. It is a zone where if your osophageus is relaxed and the body is in the right position, snoring will happen.

snoring is usually considered to be obstructive breathing the cause can vary , enlarged tonsils. what you meantioned , structural obstructions like adenoids , polyps just to name a few.

The causes of apneas is ongoing research. There is at least one specialist in NSW that has researched pediatrics upto adults experiencing sleep apnea, There can be a few causes , some local to the respiratory airways, reflux and even potentially a neurological cause in babies , for another example.

They are still researching though.

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

I thought the hearing sense was the last things switching to sleep mode and the first thing to switch on again.

snoring can wake a person up for example, first aiders try an arouse a response by speaking and touch together, smoke alarms etc etc

the person has dropped off to sleep or having an apnea , maybe the mrs should have a sleep study done?

If I am alone, my snoring can sometimes wake me. Often as not I’ll go to sleep before I start snoring but this all depends upon the position.

If someone else is in the room, they’ll tell me I’m snoring and I’ll say I wasn’t asleep. It is a zone where if your osophageus is relaxed and the body is in the right position, snoring will happen.

snoring is usually considered to be obstructive breathing the cause can vary , enlarged tonsils. what you meantioned , structural obstructions like adenoids , polyps just to name a few.

The causes of apneas is ongoing research. There is at least one specialist in NSW that has researched pediatrics upto adults experiencing sleep apnea, There can be a few causes , some local to the respiratory airways, reflux and even potentially a neurological cause in babies , for another example.

They are still researching though.

My adenoids and tonsils went west years and years ago. I have had false tonsilitis, where the larynyx acts as a tonsil. I’ve also had a hole in my lung caused by atypical TB. Currently cruising with a lot of scar tissue.

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

If I am alone, my snoring can sometimes wake me. Often as not I’ll go to sleep before I start snoring but this all depends upon the position.

If someone else is in the room, they’ll tell me I’m snoring and I’ll say I wasn’t asleep. It is a zone where if your osophageus is relaxed and the body is in the right position, snoring will happen.

snoring is usually considered to be obstructive breathing the cause can vary , enlarged tonsils. what you meantioned , structural obstructions like adenoids , polyps just to name a few.

The causes of apneas is ongoing research. There is at least one specialist in NSW that has researched pediatrics upto adults experiencing sleep apnea, There can be a few causes , some local to the respiratory airways, reflux and even potentially a neurological cause in babies , for another example.

They are still researching though.

My adenoids and tonsils went west years and years ago. I have had false tonsilitis, where the larynyx acts as a tonsil. I’ve also had a hole in my lung caused by atypical TB. Currently cruising with a lot of scar tissue.

Good information. Maybe helpful to Mrs Rule.

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

snoring is usually considered to be obstructive breathing the cause can vary , enlarged tonsils. what you meantioned , structural obstructions like adenoids , polyps just to name a few.

The causes of apneas is ongoing research. There is at least one specialist in NSW that has researched pediatrics upto adults experiencing sleep apnea, There can be a few causes , some local to the respiratory airways, reflux and even potentially a neurological cause in babies , for another example.

They are still researching though.

My adenoids and tonsils went west years and years ago. I have had false tonsilitis, where the larynyx acts as a tonsil. I’ve also had a hole in my lung caused by atypical TB. Currently cruising with a lot of scar tissue.

Good information. Maybe helpful to Mrs Rule.

or maybe not. We are all different.

Has you injured body part healed properly yet DV? Your arm wasn’t it?