Date: 14/05/2017 04:33:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065280
Subject: Consciousness definition revisited

Consciousness definition revisited

Here are a few definition examples

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consciousness

Definition of consciousness

1 a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself b : the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact c : awareness; especially : concern for some social or political cause The organization aims to raise the political consciousness of teenagers. 2 : the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : mind 3 : the totality of conscious states of an individual 4 : the normal state of conscious life regained consciousness 5 : the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes
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Date: 14/05/2017 04:34:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065281
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/consciousness

consciousness

2.1 The fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.
‘consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain’

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Date: 14/05/2017 04:40:31
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065283
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/consciousness

consciousnessnoun uk ? /‘k?n.??s.n?s/ us ? /‘k??n.??s.n?s/ consciousness noun (UNDERSTANDING) ?

C1 the state of understanding and realizing something: Her consciousness that she’s different makes her feel uneasy.
Working in an unemployment office had helped to raise his political consciousness.

More examples

The children have no consciousness of being different. He is completely unaware of gender issues – we will have to raise his consciousness. Her consciousness of the feelings of others was the thing that made her a fantastic doctor. He shows no consciousness that others might find him boring. Does she have any consciousness of how rude other people find her?

Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
consciousness noun (AWAKE)
?

B2 the state of being awake, thinking, and knowing what is happening around you:
He lost consciousness after his accident and never recovered/regained it.

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Date: 14/05/2017 04:44:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065284
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consciousness

consciousness

Also found in: Thesaurus, Medical, Legal, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
Related to consciousness: levels of consciousness
con·scious·ness (kŏn′shəs-nĭs)
n.
1. The state or condition of being conscious.
2. A sense of one’s personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group: Love of freedom runs deep in the national consciousness.
3.
a. Special awareness or sensitivity: class consciousness; race consciousness.
b. Alertness to or concern for a particular issue or situation: a movement aimed at raising the general public’s consciousness of social injustice.
4. In psychoanalysis, the conscious.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
con•scious•ness
(ˈkɒn ʃəs nɪs)

n.
1. the state of being conscious; awareness.
2. the thoughts and feelings, collectively, of an individual or of an aggregate of people.
3. full activity of the mind and senses, as in waking life: to regain consciousness.
4. awareness of something for what it is; internal knowledge: consciousness of wrongdoing.
5. concern, interest, or awareness: class consciousness.
6. the mental activity of which a person is aware, contrasted with unconscious thought.
7. Philos. the mind or the mental faculties, characterized by thought, feelings, and volition.
Idioms:
raise one’s consciousness, to make or become aware of one’s own or another’s needs, attitudes, etc., esp. stemming from political or social repression.

Random House Kernerman Webster’s College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
conscious
– consciousness – conscience – conscientious
1. ‘conscious’
Conscious is an adjective. If you are conscious of something, you are aware of it.

She became conscious of Rudolph looking at her.
I was conscious that he had changed his tactics.
If you are conscious, you are awake, rather than asleep or unconscious.

The patient was fully conscious during the operation.
2. ‘consciousness’
Consciousness is a noun. You can refer to your mind and thoughts as your consciousness.

Doubts were starting to enter into my consciousness.
If you lose consciousness, you become unconscious. If you regain consciousness or recover consciousness, you become conscious again after being unconscious. These are fairly formal expressions.

He fell down and lost consciousness.
He began to regain consciousness just as Kate was leaving.
She died in hospital without recovering consciousness.
In more informal English you can say that you pass out instead of ‘lose consciousness’, and come round instead of ‘regain/recover consciousness’.

He felt sick and dizzy, then passed out.
When I came round, I was on the kitchen floor.
3. ‘conscience’
Conscience is a noun. Your conscience is the part of your mind that tells you whether what you are doing is right or wrong.

My conscience told me to vote against the others.
Their consciences were troubled by stories of famine and war.
4. ‘conscientious’
Conscientious is an adjective. Someone who is conscientious is very careful to do their work properly.

We are generally very conscientious about our work.
She seemed a conscientious, serious young woman.
Collins COBUILD English Usage © HarperCollins Publishers 1992, 2004, 2011, 2012
ThesaurusAntonymsRelated WordsSynonymsLegend:
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Noun 1. consciousness – an alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and your situationconsciousness – an alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and your situation; “he lost consciousness”
cognitive state, state of mind – the state of a person’s cognitive processes
stream of consciousness – the continuous flow of ideas and feelings that constitute an individual’s conscious experience
self, ego – your consciousness of your own identity
sentience, awareness – state of elementary or undifferentiated consciousness; “the crash intruded on his awareness”
aesthesia, esthesia, sensibility – mental responsiveness and awareness
waking – the state of remaining awake; “days of danger and nights of waking”
unconsciousness – a state lacking normal awareness of the self or environment 2. consciousness – having knowledge of; “he had no awareness of his mistakes”; “his sudden consciousness of the problem he faced”; “their intelligence and general knowingness was impressive”
awareness, cognisance, cognizance, knowingness
self-awareness – awareness of your own individuality
feel – an intuitive awareness; “he has a feel for animals” or “it’s easy when you get the feel of it”;
sense – a general conscious awareness; “a sense of security”; “a sense of happiness”; “a sense of danger”; “a sense of self”
knowing – a clear and certain mental apprehension

Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
consciousness
noun
1. awareness, understanding, knowledge, recognition, enlightenment, sensibility, realization, apprehension His political consciousness sprang from his upbringing.
2. sentience, awareness, sensibility She banged her head and lost consciousness.
Quotations
“Consciousness… is the phenomenon whereby the universe’s very existence is made known”
Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002
consciousness
noun
The condition of being aware:
awareness, cognizance, perception, sense.
The American Heritage® Roget’s Thesaurus. Copyright © 2013, 2014 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
Translations
Spanish / Español
Select a language:
concienciaconocimientosentido
consciousness

A. N
1. (= awareness) → conciencia f, consciencia f (of de) to raise sb’s consciousness of sth → concienciar a algn sobre algo (Sp), concientizar a algn sobre algo (LAm)
2. (Med) → conocimiento m
to lose consciousness → perder el conocimiento
to regain consciousness → recobrar el conocimiento → volver en sí
B. CPD consciousness raising N → concienciación f (Sp), concientización f (LAm)
Collins Spanish Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 8th Edition 2005 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1971, 1988 © HarperCollins Publishers 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2003, 2005
conscious
(ˈkonʃəs) adjective
1. aware of oneself and one’s surroundings; not asleep or in a coma or anaesthetized etc. The patient was conscious.consciente
2. (sometimes with of) aware or having knowledge (of). They were conscious of his disapproval.consciente
ˈconsciously adverb
conscientemente
ˈconsciousness noun
The patient soon regained consciousness.conciencia
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary © 2006-2013 .
consciousness
→ conciencia
Multilingual Translator © HarperCollins Publishers 2009
con·scious·ness
n. consciencia, conocimiento, sentido; estado consciente;
clouding of ___ → torpor, confusión, entorpecimiento mental;
vt.
to lose ___ → perder el conocimiento; perder el sentido.
English-Spanish Medical Dictionary © Farlex 2012
consciousness
n conciencia or consciencia, conocimiento; altered level of — alteración f del nivel de conciencia; collective — conciencia colectiva; loss of — pérdida del conocimiento or de la conciencia; to lose — perder el conocimiento or la conciencia; to regain — volver en sí;
English-Spanish/Spanish-English Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2006 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. All rights reserved.

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Date: 14/05/2017 04:47:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1065285
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:

consciousness

How far are you intent on taking this?
If you do as the Yogi says and clear the mind of all thought, are you still conscious?

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Date: 14/05/2017 04:51:01
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1065286
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

>>He is completely unaware of gender issues – we will have to raise his consciousness

These people just need to be re-educated, put in special camps.
Nothing raises consciousness like a bit of privation and electric cattle prods.
And if they still wont assimilate, well we don’t talk about that.

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Date: 14/05/2017 05:02:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1065289
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

What is your question or observation, Mr Neutrino?

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Date: 14/05/2017 05:16:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065291
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

consciousness

How far are you intent on taking this?
If you do as the Yogi says and clear the mind of all thought, are you still conscious?

I want to redefine consciousness into a more accurate reflection of how the body and its sensory nervous system works with brains various systems to store perceptual memories over ones lifetime.

perceptual memories are ones lifetime of: visual, auditory, tasting smelling, and touching memories, of objects, faces, places, dreams, concepts

various definitions like oneself dont cut it

so something like this revision, which still isnt perfect.

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness of oneself and others while awake and being able to create new concepts is based on a lifetime of recording information, storing it and cataloging it into collections.

>Clear the mind of all thought, are you still conscious?

When one clears the mind of thoughts, the body is still perceiving the world.

All perceptions like still seeing and listening, smelling tasting and feeling are still going on, on a continual basis.

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Date: 14/05/2017 05:52:55
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065296
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

I’m reasonably happy with the first sentence, but the second sentence still needs work.

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Date: 14/05/2017 05:59:44
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065298
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


I’m reasonably happy with the first sentence, but the second sentence still needs work.

Consciousness is what you think it is.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:03:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065299
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Second sentence revision

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness and thinking about oneself and others while awake.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:06:42
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065301
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

PermeateFree said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

I’m reasonably happy with the first sentence, but the second sentence still needs work.

Consciousness is what you think it is.

I think physics wins PermeateFree

All this separation of mind and body has been going on for too long.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:08:49
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065303
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

so the definition as it is now

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness and thinking about oneself and others while awake.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:10:50
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065305
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


so the definition as it is now

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness and thinking about oneself and others while awake.

That fits my dog very well.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:14:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1065306
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


so the definition as it is now

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness and thinking about oneself and others while awake.

You’re still missing the point that consciousness is also real-time awareness regardless of memories. Newborn babies are conscious but have little in the way of memories.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:22:03
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065307
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Consciousness is Philosophers wet dream.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:27:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065308
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Bubblecar said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

so the definition as it is now

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness and thinking about oneself and others while awake.

You’re still missing the point that consciousness is also real-time awareness regardless of memories. Newborn babies are conscious but have little in the way of memories.

I think I get the point of awareness

its just like meditation for babies as they are not thinking as they have little information to base thoughts on, they still hear, see, smell, taste and feel

that real-time awareness (regardless of memories) can be realized by just turning off thinking, all perceptions are still working in real time, the body is still recording information.

is that what you mean Bubblecar?

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:31:38
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065312
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Ok, the second sentence still needs some revision.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:44:50
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065320
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Basically, consciousness is the state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings. Which I might add applies to varying degrees to all lifeforms. It is not something that is exclusive to all except humans.

Consciousness has religious connotations and philosophies, and in the process been done to death by all en-sundry and now by you.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:52:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065321
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Here is the second revision of the second sentence

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness of body, mind and space in real time while awake. Self awareness involves thinking about past memories and concepts or being aware of oneself in real time in a 3D space.

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Date: 14/05/2017 06:59:41
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065323
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

PermeateFree said:


Basically, consciousness is the state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings. Which I might add applies to varying degrees to all lifeforms. It is not something that is exclusive to all except humans.

Consciousness has religious connotations and philosophies, and in the process been done to death by all en-sundry and now by you.

Yes, now by me, how horrible that someone can think that old definitions need improving.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:02:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065324
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


Here is the second revision of the second sentence

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness of body, mind and space in real time while awake. Self awareness involves thinking about past memories and concepts or being aware of oneself in real time in a 3D space.

Nope, second sentence still needs some work.

I’m going to listening to some music for a while come back at it later.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:16:38
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065327
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Here is the second revision of the second sentence

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All ones memories of information form to create dreams while asleep and awareness of body, mind and space in real time while awake. Self awareness involves thinking about past memories and concepts or being aware of oneself in real time in a 3D space.

Nope, second sentence still needs some work.

I’m going to listening to some music for a while come back at it later.

Apparently the only beings without consciousness are those who are insane, which should widen your scope a little.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:18:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1065329
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

PermeateFree said:


Apparently the only beings without consciousness are those who are insane, which should widen your scope a little.

People who are insane are not without consciousness. People who are unconscious are without consciousness.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:21:33
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1065330
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

lacks useful value

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:21:52
From: transition
ID: 1065331
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

some of it, of the individuated I, by its nature, defies generalizations

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:21:54
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065332
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Bubblecar said:


PermeateFree said:

Apparently the only beings without consciousness are those who are insane, which should widen your scope a little.

People who are insane are not without consciousness. People who are unconscious are without consciousness.

“Basically, consciousness is the state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings,” which probably makes us both correct.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:22:33
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065333
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

SCIENCE said:


lacks useful value

+1

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:23:52
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1065334
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

PermeateFree said:


Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Apparently the only beings without consciousness are those who are insane, which should widen your scope a little.

People who are insane are not without consciousness. People who are unconscious are without consciousness.

“Basically, consciousness is the state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings,” which probably makes us both correct.

People experiencing psychosis have a distorted sense of reality but are still conscious.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:23:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1065335
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Bubblecar said:


PermeateFree said:

Apparently the only beings without consciousness are those who are insane, which should widen your scope a little.

People who are insane are not without consciousness. People who are unconscious are without consciousness.

Really depends how we define consciousness. An unconcsious person may still react to pain for example. Not really as simple as whether someone is awake or not.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:27:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065336
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Bubblecar said:


PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

People who are insane are not without consciousness. People who are unconscious are without consciousness.

“Basically, consciousness is the state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings,” which probably makes us both correct.

People experiencing psychosis have a distorted sense of reality but are still conscious.

If they are not aware of their surroundings, how can they be conscious? Maybe grades of psychosis are applicable.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:28:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1065337
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Apparently the only beings without consciousness are those who are insane, which should widen your scope a little.

People who are insane are not without consciousness. People who are unconscious are without consciousness.

Really depends how we define consciousness. An unconcsious person may still react to pain for example. Not really as simple as whether someone is awake or not.

I mean unconsciousness as in anaesthesia, not sleep.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:28:42
From: transition
ID: 1065338
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

transition said:


some of it, of the individuated I, by its nature, defies generalizations

in other ways, and it overlaps, it defies an angle too

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:29:17
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1065339
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

PermeateFree said:


Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

“Basically, consciousness is the state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings,” which probably makes us both correct.

People experiencing psychosis have a distorted sense of reality but are still conscious.

If they are not aware of their surroundings, how can they be conscious? Maybe grades of psychosis are applicable.

Their awareness of their surroundings is distorted by psychosis, but they’re still conscious.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:30:03
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065340
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Witty Rejoinder said:


Bubblecar said:

PermeateFree said:

Apparently the only beings without consciousness are those who are insane, which should widen your scope a little.

People who are insane are not without consciousness. People who are unconscious are without consciousness.

Really depends how we define consciousness. An unconcsious person may still react to pain for example. Not really as simple as whether someone is awake or not.

“Consciousness the state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings.” Therefore they would be unconsciousness.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:31:55
From: transition
ID: 1065341
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

i’m aware, that I am mostly what I don’t know

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:32:53
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065342
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Bubblecar said:


PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

People experiencing psychosis have a distorted sense of reality but are still conscious.

If they are not aware of their surroundings, how can they be conscious? Maybe grades of psychosis are applicable.

Their awareness of their surroundings is distorted by psychosis, but they’re still conscious.

Well they are awake, but they are not really aware of their surroundings. So they are not consciousness (of their true surroundings).

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:33:22
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065343
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

SCIENCE said:


lacks useful value

I value a better definition over one that lacks information

consciousness is not something that is separate from the body
most religious definitions are wrong
most dictionary definitions lack information
most definitions lack the human body part
they lack the perception part
the 100 billion neurons part
the reaction to previous actions as emotions part
the thinking in real time part
the being aware of real time in a 3D space part
the perceptual memories part
the dreaming in 3D part
the imagining 3D part

just saying being aware of oneself is not enough information

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:34:55
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065344
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

lacks useful value

I value a better definition over one that lacks information

consciousness is not something that is separate from the body
most religious definitions are wrong
most dictionary definitions lack information
most definitions lack the human body part
they lack the perception part
the 100 billion neurons part
the reaction to previous actions as emotions part
the thinking in real time part
the being aware of real time in a 3D space part
the perceptual memories part
the dreaming in 3D part
the imagining 3D part

just saying being aware of oneself is not enough information

Think you are just putting bells and whistles on a basically simple definition.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:35:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1065345
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

PermeateFree said:


Well they are awake, but they are not really aware of their surroundings. So they are not consciousness (of their true surroundings).

They are conscious but experiencing a distorted state of mind.

Permeate Free: Ah, I get it now. Yes I suppose you’re right.*

*forum wishful thinking :)

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:37:08
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065347
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


SCIENCE said:

lacks useful value

I value a better definition over one that lacks information

consciousness is not something that is separate from the body
most religious definitions are wrong
most dictionary definitions lack information
most definitions lack the human body part
they lack the perception part
the 100 billion neurons part
the reaction to previous actions as emotions part
the thinking in real time part
the being aware of real time in a 3D space part
the perceptual memories part
the dreaming in 3D part
the imagining 3D part

just saying being aware of oneself is not enough information

the imagining in 3D part

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:38:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065348
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

PermeateFree said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

lacks useful value

I value a better definition over one that lacks information

consciousness is not something that is separate from the body
most religious definitions are wrong
most dictionary definitions lack information
most definitions lack the human body part
they lack the perception part
the 100 billion neurons part
the reaction to previous actions as emotions part
the thinking in real time part
the being aware of real time in a 3D space part
the perceptual memories part
the dreaming in 3D part
the imagining 3D part

just saying being aware of oneself is not enough information

Think you are just putting bells and whistles on a basically simple definition.

Getting a better overall picture is much better than a very small one.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:41:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065349
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I value a better definition over one that lacks information

consciousness is not something that is separate from the body
most religious definitions are wrong
most dictionary definitions lack information
most definitions lack the human body part
they lack the perception part
the 100 billion neurons part
the reaction to previous actions as emotions part
the thinking in real time part
the being aware of real time in a 3D space part
the perceptual memories part
the dreaming in 3D part
the imagining 3D part

just saying being aware of oneself is not enough information

Think you are just putting bells and whistles on a basically simple definition.

Getting a better overall picture is much better than a very small one.

Getting a bigger better overall picture is much better than getting a part of a very small one.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:48:23
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1065352
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I value a better definition over one that lacks information

consciousness is not something that is separate from the body
most religious definitions are wrong
most dictionary definitions lack information
most definitions lack the human body part
they lack the perception part
the 100 billion neurons part
the reaction to previous actions as emotions part
the thinking in real time part
the being aware of real time in a 3D space part
the perceptual memories part
the dreaming in 3D part
the imagining 3D part

just saying being aware of oneself is not enough information

Think you are just putting bells and whistles on a basically simple definition.

Getting a better overall picture is much better than a very small one.

Not if wander way off track.

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Date: 14/05/2017 07:52:31
From: transition
ID: 1065358
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

>consciousness is not something that is separate from the body

dunno, it might be contagious, floats around out there, like a fart in a supermarket aisle

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Date: 14/05/2017 11:21:53
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065448
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

I expanded the second part a bit.

Consciousness, Definition.

Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

All of ones memories of perceptual information form to create new ideas and concepts while awake and dreams while asleep. The mind is aware of its own body in space in realtime while awake. Self awareness involves thinking about past memories and concepts and/or being aware of oneself in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved. A state of mediation while the body is still perceiving.

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Date: 14/05/2017 11:28:54
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1065451
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

> Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories

That is a fucking awful definition.

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Date: 14/05/2017 11:38:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065454
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

mollwollfumble said:


> Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories

That is a fucking awful definition.

That is only part of my definition, which Im happy to change

What arent you happy about?

Perceptual memories form in the brain via a sensory nervous system.

Sensory nervous system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_nervous_system

The sensory nervous system is a part of the nervous system responsible for processing sensory information. A sensory system consists of sensory neurons (including the sensory receptor cells), neural pathways, and parts of the brain involved in sensory perception. Commonly recognized sensory systems are those for vision, hearing, touch, taste, smell, and balance. In short, senses are transducers from the physical world to the realm of the mind where we interpret the information, creating our perception of the world around us.

So the senses are the input into the brain which stores and processes the information

Every image you see is a perceptual memory.

Every bit of hearing you can remember is a perceptual memory.

etc.

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Date: 14/05/2017 11:43:21
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065455
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Tau.Neutrino said:


mollwollfumble said:

> Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories

That is a fucking awful definition.

That is only part of my definition, which Im happy to change

What arent you happy about?

Perceptual memories form in the brain via a sensory nervous system.

Sensory nervous system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_nervous_system

The sensory nervous system is a part of the nervous system responsible for processing sensory information. A sensory system consists of sensory neurons (including the sensory receptor cells), neural pathways, and parts of the brain involved in sensory perception. Commonly recognized sensory systems are those for vision, hearing, touch, taste, smell, and balance. In short, senses are transducers from the physical world to the realm of the mind where we interpret the information, creating our perception of the world around us.

So the senses are the input into the brain which stores and processes the information

Every image you see is a perceptual memory.

Every bit of hearing you can remember is a perceptual memory.

etc.

You have to include ones lifetime not a part of it.

You have to include all sensory data that is remembered.

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Date: 14/05/2017 11:47:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065457
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Do people see a bootstrap algorithm in life learning ?

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Date: 14/05/2017 11:57:34
From: transition
ID: 1065460
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

>Consciousness is the lifetime total of all perceptual memories

it’s probably not the best definition for a number of reasons

for example..

it’s not just the experiences of the lifetime of any example (self-aware human) that generates it (consciousness). Personally I would be cautious of restricting an explanation to ontogeny.

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Date: 14/05/2017 12:01:43
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065461
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Alright Ill go away for a while and have a ponder over it.

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Date: 14/05/2017 13:12:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1065469
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Just because something is in long term memory, doesn’t mean it’s easily accessible.

Further, consciousness cannot include any part of the brain that is inactive – right – now. So consciousness excludes at least 99% of long term memories.

Even more, consciousness includes sensory input that never makes it into memory.

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Date: 14/05/2017 13:24:37
From: transition
ID: 1065471
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

>Further, consciousness cannot include any part of the brain that is inactive – right – now.

not sure about that.

an inactive (less active) part can change how the other parts operate, like when I listen I might stop talking (just an example of the idea)

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Date: 15/05/2017 17:39:24
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1065887
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

Latest revision

Consciousness, Definition.

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feeling, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves being aware of oneself in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

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Date: 15/05/2017 18:11:39
From: transition
ID: 1065891
Subject: re: Consciousness definition revisited

of self-awareness, somewhat fluid, adaptive, evolving. Potential for varied perspective.

it’s things like knowing (the feelings of, the feel-see for internal workings) jokes are funny because of the mental gymnastics performed.

or that a view/aesthetics are enjoyable because of the processing, what the bulb on the shoulders injects into, does with whatever.

it’s digging around in the mind tools (awareness of, a feel), applying them, try-and-test.

all sorts

managing the noisy business in there. Senses of the wetware.

probably a complete accident, like a proximity (presence, near presence) detector malfunction. Few crossed wires between modules and there it was, sensing itself. The sensing of something (usually other) near felt itself, saw itself, near, very near. Save being completely freaked out, it just does it a bit.

weird idea, consciousness being a presence detector malfunction, intermittent.

messes with my head thinking about it (strong aversive sensation).

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