Date: 18/05/2017 14:16:44
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067162
Subject: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Consciousness, Definition.

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feelings, being aware of and controlling emotions, forming decisions and judgements, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves just perception, being aware of oneself and all the 5 senses in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

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Date: 18/05/2017 14:17:08
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067163
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

It is better than saying oneself?

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Date: 18/05/2017 14:21:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067164
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Tau.Neutrino said:


Consciousness, Definition.

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feelings, being aware of and controlling emotions, forming decisions and judgements, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves just perception, being aware of oneself and all the 5 senses in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

or this one?

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories collected via sensory perception and stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feelings, being aware of and controlling emotions, forming decisions and judgements, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves just perception, being aware of oneself and all the 5 senses in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

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Date: 18/05/2017 14:52:21
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067173
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

There can be different states of mind, does this need to be emphasized?

some different states of mind are

Thinking
Emotional
Just sensing (Meditation)
Dreaming Asleep
Drugs Conscious
Drugs Unconscious
Unconsciousness

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Date: 18/05/2017 15:01:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067178
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Tau.Neutrino said:


There can be different states of mind, does this need to be emphasized?

some different states of mind are

Thinking
Emotional
Just sensing (Meditation)
Dreaming Asleep
Drugs Conscious
Drugs Unconscious
Unconsciousness

Or is it better to say

Different states of consciousness?

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Date: 18/05/2017 15:07:36
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067181
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Tau.Neutrino said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

There can be different states of mind, does this need to be emphasized?

some different states of mind are

Thinking
Emotional
Just sensing (Meditation)
Dreaming Asleep
Drugs Conscious
Drugs Unconscious
Unconsciousness

Or is it better to say

Different states of consciousness?

Different states of consciousness?

Thinking low level (daydreaming) (driving)
Thinking highly focused (working out solutions to a problem)
Emotional low level
Emotional high level
Just sensing (Meditation)
Dreaming Asleep
Drugs Conscious
Unconsciousness: accident, drugs, anesthetized

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Date: 18/05/2017 15:09:31
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067183
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

I think I need to do a mind map on Consciousness.

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Date: 18/05/2017 15:58:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067192
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

latest revision

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories collected via sensory perception and stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

Different states of consciousness are: Thinking low level (daydreaming) (driving), Thinking high level (reading, watching movies,learning new things), highly focused (working out solutions to a problem), Emotional low level, Emotional high level, Just sensing (Meditation), Dreaming while asleep, Using recreational drugs while conscious, Unconsciousness due to an accident, drugs or being anesthetized. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feelings, being aware of and controlling emotions, forming decisions and judgements, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves just perception, being aware of oneself and all the 5 senses in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

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Date: 18/05/2017 16:02:12
From: transition
ID: 1067194
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

wonder what the wetware does when the senses fold back into the twilight.

inputs somewhat shut down, attenuated, adjusted, whatever. Eyelids shut etc.

might try that, a long blink.

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Date: 18/05/2017 16:04:00
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067196
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

transition said:


wonder what the wetware does when the senses fold back into the twilight.

inputs somewhat shut down, attenuated, adjusted, whatever. Eyelids shut etc.

might try that, a long blink.

Researching dreaming and sensory deprivation would be interesting.

I wonder if there is a link?

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Date: 18/05/2017 16:07:47
From: transition
ID: 1067197
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

>sensory deprivation

I’m going for a sensory reduction, sorta the opposite to a lobotomy, it involves removing parts of the external environment

I call it sleep

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Date: 18/05/2017 16:29:29
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067199
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Tau.Neutrino said:


latest revision

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories collected via sensory perception and stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain.

Different states of consciousness are: Thinking low level (daydreaming) (driving), Thinking high level (reading, watching movies,learning new things), highly focused (working out solutions to a problem), Emotional low level, Emotional high level, Just sensing (Meditation), Dreaming while asleep, Using recreational drugs while conscious, Unconsciousness due to an accident, drugs or being anesthetized. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feelings, being aware of and controlling emotions, forming decisions and judgements, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves just perception, being aware of oneself and all the 5 senses in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories collected via sensory perception and stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain. Memories can be degraded by a variety of causes: over time, disease, heart attack, dementia and other chemical changes in the brain.

Different states of consciousness are: Thinking low level (daydreaming) (driving), Thinking high level (reading, watching movies, learning new things), highly focused (working out solutions to a problem), Emotional low level, Emotional high level, Just sensing (Meditation), Dreaming while asleep, Using recreational drugs while conscious, and Unconsciousness due to an accident, drugs or being anesthetized. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feelings, being aware of and controlling emotions, forming decisions and judgements, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves just perception, being aware of oneself and all the 5 senses in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

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Date: 18/05/2017 16:39:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067200
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories collected via sensory perception and stored as information in the form of electro-chemical energy which is spread over 100 billion neurons in the brain. Memories can be degraded by a variety of causes: over time, disease, heart attack, dementia and other chemical changes in the brain.

Different states of consciousness are: Thinking low level (daydreaming) (driving), Thinking high level (reading, watching movies, learning new things), highly focused (working out solutions to a problem), Emotional low level, Emotional high level, Just sensing (Meditation), Dreaming while asleep, Using recreational drugs while conscious, and Unconsciousness due to an accident, drugs or being anesthetized. Consciousness involves being aware of oneself. Being aware of oneself is self awareness.

Self awareness involves thinking, feelings, being aware of and controlling emotions, forming decisions and judgements, structuring new information into categories, creating new ideas and concepts. Self awareness involves dreaming while asleep. Self awareness also involves just perception, being aware of oneself and all the 5 senses in realtime in a 3D space with no thinking involved.

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Date: 18/05/2017 19:36:28
From: transition
ID: 1067201
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

God i’m mostly what I don’t know!
now of yourself say that ‘ave a go
yeah try as ya like provin’ not true
after’t lifetime effort yes still be so
a fortunate turn it is you did knew
before die there’s no ‘tunity below
enjoy dumb yes little heaven now
or, graspin’ lie to that grave follow

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Date: 18/05/2017 20:23:26
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1067202
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

> Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories

I explained to you before. That is an absolutely crappy definition.

How about “Consciousness is the 10% of the brain that is active at any one time”? Better, but still wrong.

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Date: 19/05/2017 08:43:34
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067482
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

mollwollfumble said:


> Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories

I explained to you before. That is an absolutely crappy definition.

How about “Consciousness is the 10% of the brain that is active at any one time”? Better, but still wrong.

Ones lifetime of memories that can be remembered are only a part of what is consciousness

as I have discovered one aspect alone cannot describe consciousness

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Date: 19/05/2017 08:46:50
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067483
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

I expect more revisions as I get closer to a more refined definition

I’m very much still in revision mode and will be for some weeks

Its not going to happen over night

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Date: 19/05/2017 08:54:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1067491
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Tau.Neutrino said:


mollwollfumble said:

> Consciousness is ones lifetime of memories

I explained to you before. That is an absolutely crappy definition.

How about “Consciousness is the 10% of the brain that is active at any one time”? Better, but still wrong.

Ones lifetime of memories that can be remembered are only a part of what is consciousness

as I have discovered one aspect alone cannot describe consciousness

What you’re defining has nothing to do with “consciousness”, but it occurs to me now that what you’re really trying to define is “mind”.

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Date: 19/05/2017 09:04:33
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067498
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

definition of Mind from wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind

The mind is a set of cognitive faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory. It is usually defined as the faculty of an entity’s thoughts and consciousness. It holds the power of imagination, recognition, and appreciation, and is responsible for processing feelings and emotions, resulting in attitudes and actions.

There is a lengthy tradition in philosophy, religion, psychology, and cognitive science about what constitutes a mind and what is its distinguishing properties.

One open question regarding the nature of the mind is the mind–body problem, which investigates the relation of the mind to the physical brain and nervous system. Pre-scientific viewpoints included dualism and idealism, which considered the mind somehow non-physical. Modern views center around physicalism and functionalism, which hold that the mind is roughly identical with the brain or reducible to physical phenomena such as neuronal activity. Another question concerns which types of beings are capable of having minds. For example, whether mind is exclusive to humans, possessed also by some or all animals, by all living things, whether it is a strictly definable characteristic at all, or whether mind can also be a property of some types of man-made machines.

Whatever its nature, it is generally agreed that mind is that which enables a being to have subjective awareness and intentionality towards their environment, to perceive and respond to stimuli with some kind of agency, and to have consciousness, including thinking and feeling.

The concept of mind is understood in many different ways by many different cultural and religious traditions. Some see mind as a property exclusive to humans whereas others ascribe properties of mind to non-living entities (e.g. panpsychism and animism), to animals and to deities. Some of the earliest recorded speculations linked mind (sometimes described as identical with soul or spirit) to theories concerning both life after death, and cosmological and natural order, for example in the doctrines of Zoroaster, the Buddha, Plato, Aristotle, and other ancient Greek, Indian and, later, Islamic and medieval European philosophers.

Important philosophers of mind include Plato, Descartes, Leibniz, Searle, Dennett, Fodor, Nagel, and Chalmers. Psychologists such as Freud and James, and computer scientists such as Turing and Putnam developed influential theories about the nature of the mind. The possibility of non-human minds is explored in the field of artificial intelligence, which works closely in relation with cybernetics and information theory to understand the ways in which information processing by nonbiological machines is comparable or different to mental phenomena in the human mind.

more…

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Date: 19/05/2017 09:06:09
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067499
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Definition of consciousness from Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

Consciousness is the state or quality of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself. It has been defined variously in terms of sentience, awareness, subjectivity, the ability to experience or to feel, wakefulness, having a sense of selfhood or soul, the fact that there is something “that it is like” to “have” or “be” it, and the executive control system of the mind, or the state or quality of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself. In contemporary philosophy its definition is often hinted at via the logical possibility of its absence, the philosophical zombie, which is defined as a being whose behavior and function are identical to one’s own yet there is “no-one in there” experiencing it.

Despite the difficulty in definition, many philosophers believe that there is a broadly shared underlying intuition about what consciousness is. As Max Velmans and Susan Schneider wrote in The Blackwell Companion to Consciousness: “Anything that we are aware of at a given moment forms part of our consciousness, making conscious experience at once the most familiar and most mysterious aspect of our lives.”

Western philosophers, since the time of Descartes and Locke, have struggled to comprehend the nature of consciousness and identify its essential properties. Issues of concern in the philosophy of consciousness include whether the concept is fundamentally coherent; whether consciousness can ever be explained mechanistically; whether non-human consciousness exists and if so how can it be recognized; how consciousness relates to language; whether consciousness can be understood in a way that does not require a dualistic distinction between mental and physical states or properties; and whether it may ever be possible for computing machines like computers or robots to be conscious, a topic studied in the field of artificial intelligence.

Thanks to developments in technology over the past few decades, consciousness has become a significant topic of interdisciplinary research in cognitive science, with significant contributions from fields such as psychology, neuropsychology and neuroscience. The primary focus is on understanding what it means biologically and psychologically for information to be present in consciousness—that is, on determining the neural and psychological correlates of consciousness. The majority of experimental studies assess consciousness in humans by asking subjects for a verbal report of their experiences (e.g., “tell me if you notice anything when I do this”). Issues of interest include phenomena such as subliminal perception, blindsight, denial of impairment, and altered states of consciousness produced by alcohol and other drugs, or spiritual or meditative techniques.

In medicine, consciousness is assessed by observing a patient’s arousal and responsiveness, and can be seen as a continuum of states ranging from full alertness and comprehension, through disorientation, delirium, loss of meaningful communication, and finally loss of movement in response to painful stimuli. Issues of practical concern include how the presence of consciousness can be assessed in severely ill, comatose, or anesthetized people, and how to treat conditions in which consciousness is impaired or disrupted.

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Date: 19/05/2017 09:08:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1067501
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

> The mind is a set of cognitive faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory.

There you go. Consciousness doesn’t include memory. Mind does.

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Date: 19/05/2017 09:12:46
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067503
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

mollwollfumble said:


> The mind is a set of cognitive faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory.

There you go. Consciousness doesn’t include memory. Mind does.

one can be conscious of memories

as in one can be aware of memories

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Date: 19/05/2017 09:16:43
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1067504
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Tau.Neutrino said:


mollwollfumble said:

> The mind is a set of cognitive faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory.

There you go. Consciousness doesn’t include memory. Mind does.

one can be conscious of memories

as in one can be aware of memories

What you need to do is get really stoned and spend countless hours drawing up a completely useless mind-map. That will sort this out.

runs away

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Date: 19/05/2017 09:17:35
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067506
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Ok, I’ll make changes to the first part of the first sentence.

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Date: 19/05/2017 09:19:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067507
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

Witty Rejoinder said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

> The mind is a set of cognitive faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory.

There you go. Consciousness doesn’t include memory. Mind does.

one can be conscious of memories

as in one can be aware of memories

What you need to do is get really stoned and spend countless hours drawing up a completely useless mind-map. That will sort this out.

runs away

thats very unscientific saying mind maps are useless

but your right I need to get stoned and draw up a mind map

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Date: 19/05/2017 13:30:08
From: transition
ID: 1067665
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

The dumbest possible explanation (easiest understood, a starting point) – of self-awareness – is that it’s some sense of an internal environment.

This, to me, immediately suggests it’s related functions of homeostasis.

Maintenance of internal environment

Of course there’s nothing profound about that, that it’s something to do with homeostasis.

I don’t mind a lack of profundity.

So i’m thinking of something mundane regards. Sitting here i’m getting cold, the kitchen fire’s not going. I’ll retreat to the other room shortly, where it is warm (i’m dressed for that environment). For the moment i’m blocking out the discomfort, with distractions (thinking this, composing, typing). In another situation, if I was looking at sleeping outside (no warm room to go to) i’d be busy finding a warmer spot to settle for the night. I’d pull everything warm around me, insulate myself, curl up and get a long night’s sleep into the late warm of morning (probably makes more sense than sitting here writing this). I’ve got music going, which is a distractional comfort.

I can create an internal environment (home in my head) to defer the retreat to the warm room. In fact right now i’m summoning in imagination there is a raging fire going in this room, just to buy some more time to finish this.

The cold night I anticipated, and did get the first of the fires going long before the chill set in.

Of course homeostasis is not limited to that related regulating body temperature, but I think what is done to keep temperatures comfortable instructive.

Anyway, the imaginary fire’s gone out, extinguished by the reality i’m bleeding heat.

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Date: 19/05/2017 13:35:03
From: sibeen
ID: 1067666
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/18/adelaide-crows-buy-legacy-video-gaming-team-in-an-australian-first

Burger me, I’d never even heard of this e-sport malarky.

If only dreams wistfully. I was a pinball wizard as a teenager. I could have been a contender.

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Date: 19/05/2017 13:38:04
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1067667
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

sibeen said:


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/18/adelaide-crows-buy-legacy-video-gaming-team-in-an-australian-first

Burger me, I’d never even heard of this e-sport malarky.

If only dreams wistfully. I was a pinball wizard as a teenager. I could have been a contender.

Late at night they sometimes show FPS tournaments, it’s the whole deal, hosts, teams discussing tactics, talking heads pointing out mistakes and strong plays.

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Date: 20/05/2017 02:16:52
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1067807
Subject: re: Consciousness, Definition Part 2

I see where I went wrong now

I was confusing consciousness with mind

after stepping back a bit, I see its a bigger picture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

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