Melting permafrost breaches ‘doomsday vault’
A seed vault built deep inside a mountain between mainland Norway and the North Pole, designed to protect humanity from a food shortage crisis, has been flooded by melting permafrost.
See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/2017/05/20/melting-permafrost-breaches—doomsday-vault-.html#sthash.Eoj3T9s3.dpuf
Now known as tempofrost
> A seed vault built deep inside a mountain between mainland Norway and the North Pole, designed to protect humanity from a food shortage crisis, has been flooded by melting permafrost.
The engineer who designed it deserves to be sacked. Engineers always need to take extreme weather into account.
Unless of course it was not designed by an engineer. What are the odds that it was designed by a biologist?
mollwollfumble said:
> A seed vault built deep inside a mountain between mainland Norway and the North Pole, designed to protect humanity from a food shortage crisis, has been flooded by melting permafrost.The engineer who designed it deserves to be sacked. Engineers always need to take extreme weather into account.
Unless of course it was not designed by an engineer. What are the odds that it was designed by a biologist?
Or maybe an electrical engineer, or automotive, or aeronautical…
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
> A seed vault built deep inside a mountain between mainland Norway and the North Pole, designed to protect humanity from a food shortage crisis, has been flooded by melting permafrost.The engineer who designed it deserves to be sacked. Engineers always need to take extreme weather into account.
Unless of course it was not designed by an engineer. What are the odds that it was designed by a biologist?
Or maybe an electrical engineer, or automotive, or aeronautical…
i would imagine that a science panel approved location and a civil construction company built it.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
> A seed vault built deep inside a mountain between mainland Norway and the North Pole, designed to protect humanity from a food shortage crisis, has been flooded by melting permafrost.The engineer who designed it deserves to be sacked. Engineers always need to take extreme weather into account.
Unless of course it was not designed by an engineer. What are the odds that it was designed by a biologist?
Or maybe an electrical engineer, or automotive, or aeronautical…
i would imagine that a science panel approved location and a civil construction company built it.
You’re just a debbie downer.
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:Or maybe an electrical engineer, or automotive, or aeronautical…
i would imagine that a science panel approved location and a civil construction company built it.
You’re just a debbie downer.
better than being alexander…
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:i would imagine that a science panel approved location and a civil construction company built it.
You’re just a debbie downer.
better than being alexander…
He does have the better stockings.
i would imagine that a science panel approved location and a civil construction company built it.
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Like Fukushima…
mollwollfumble said:
> A seed vault built deep inside a mountain between mainland Norway and the North Pole, designed to protect humanity from a food shortage crisis, has been flooded by melting permafrost.The engineer who designed it deserves to be sacked. Engineers always need to take extreme weather into account.
Unless of course it was not designed by an engineer. What are the odds that it was designed by a biologist?
No water got anywhere near the stored seed, but presume they will take extra precautions to ensure it does not happen again.
PermeateFree said:
No water got anywhere near the stored seed, but presume they will take extra precautions to ensure it does not happen again.
I don’t see an easy fix.
Either they install drainage to take the meltwater away or they supply refrigerators to keep some part of it frozen.
Neither is a completely satisfactory solution. The drainage solution just delays the inevitable and refrigerators would require a power source that couldn’t work without maintenance.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
No water got anywhere near the stored seed, but presume they will take extra precautions to ensure it does not happen again.
I don’t see an easy fix.
Either they install drainage to take the meltwater away or they supply refrigerators to keep some part of it frozen.
Neither is a completely satisfactory solution. The drainage solution just delays the inevitable and refrigerators would require a power source that couldn’t work without maintenance.
Locally mined coal provides power for refrigeration units that further cool the seeds to the internationally recommended standard of −18 °C (−0.4 °F).
wiki.
dv said:
Now known as tempofrost
From the article, /* However, unanticipated rising global temperatures have caused the seed bank to be compromised, with meltwater flooding */.
, imagine that
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Now known as tempofrost
From the article, /* However, unanticipated rising global temperatures have caused the seed bank to be compromised, with meltwater flooding */.
, imagine that
Well it’s risen faster than expected.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Now known as tempofrost
From the article, /* However, unanticipated rising global temperatures have caused the seed bank to be compromised, with meltwater flooding */.
, imagine that
Well it’s risen faster than expected.
Has it?
Got a graph for that?
I’d have thought a seed bank vault would be designed similar if not better than a nuclear fallout shelter and take into account all worst case scenarios if that’s actually possible.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:From the article, /* However, unanticipated rising global temperatures have caused the seed bank to be compromised, with meltwater flooding */.
, imagine that
Well it’s risen faster than expected.
Has it?
Got a graph for that?
Not a graph.
In 2015 when the 1.5 deg C target was set in Paris, it was anticipated that 1.5 C was
In their 2014 report, the IPCC projected that a 0.3 to 0.7 degree increase by 2035. If you do the maths this means they were anticipating that the 1.5 C mark would probably be reached after 2035.
But last year that 1.5 deg C limit was given a nudge.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-flirts-with-a-1-5-degree-celsius-global-warming-threshold1/
That was partly due to cyclical anomaly but it is not uncommon now to read projections of reaching the 1.5 degree mark by 2020.
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/03/10/world-average-temperature-rise-1-5-degrees-easy-2020/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-13/how-the-1-5-degree-target-overcame-the-odds-in-paris/7024006
OTOH it does appear that temperatures have resiled about 0.1 K since last year and so 2017 will not be hotter than 2016.
I wonder how long till they relocate to somewhere deep in the Antarctic.
Ian said:
I wonder how long till they relocate to somewhere deep in the Antarctic.
I’d relocate it to somewhere deep on the Moon .
It wont get flooded up there.
Just the occasional asteroid passing by to worry about.
I sometimes think this is not wise. They really need multiple backups in many parts of the world so that various different kinds of catastrophe will be survived.
dv said:
I sometimes think this is not wise. They really need multiple backups in many parts of the world so that various different kinds of catastrophe will be survived.
Yes I think its time for more backups.
Perhaps we should genetically sequence the seeds as well, perhaps one day we could recreate them from this.