Date: 30/05/2017 13:03:14
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1072605
Subject: Aerospike Engine

XRS-2200 Linear Aerospike Engine Test fire at NASA Stennis Space Center (SSC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospike_engine

The aerospike engine is a type of rocket engine that maintains its aerodynamic efficiency across a wide range of altitudes. It belongs to the class of altitude compensating nozzle engines. A vehicle with an aerospike engine uses 25–30% less fuel at low altitudes, where most missions have the greatest need for thrust. Aerospike engines have been studied for a number of years and are the baseline engines for many single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) designs and were also a strong contender for the Space Shuttle Main Engine. However, no such engine is in commercial production, although some large-scale aerospikes are in testing phases.

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Date: 30/05/2017 13:27:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1072613
Subject: re: Aerospike Engine

> Aerospike engines have been studied for a number of years

Like um 60 years?

I’ve said it before on this forum. They’re only good for large engines because they require engineering tolerances that are like um a hundred times a fine as a normal engine. For anything small, you just can’t get engineering tolerances that fine.

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Date: 30/05/2017 23:17:23
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1072688
Subject: re: Aerospike Engine

mollwollfumble said:


> Aerospike engines have been studied for a number of years

Like um 60 years?

I’ve said it before on this forum. They’re only good for large engines because they require engineering tolerances that are like um a hundred times a fine as a normal engine. For anything small, you just can’t get engineering tolerances that fine.

Pretty sure you can – For example it’s very common to measure some components in racing engines down to 0.0005”. It’s not too difficult to get machinery that’ll measure and work to ten times better than that as well.
Anyway …. please tell me everything you know about aerospike engines. Via email or Facebook if you like. There’s a good chance I’ll be working with them soon.

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Date: 31/05/2017 07:20:13
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1072907
Subject: re: Aerospike Engine

Spiny Norman said:


mollwollfumble said:

> Aerospike engines have been studied for a number of years

Like um 60 years?

I’ve said it before on this forum. They’re only good for large engines because they require engineering tolerances that are like um a hundred times a fine as a normal engine. For anything small, you just can’t get engineering tolerances that fine.

Pretty sure you can – For example it’s very common to measure some components in racing engines down to 0.0005”. It’s not too difficult to get machinery that’ll measure and work to ten times better than that as well.
Anyway …. please tell me everything you know about aerospike engines. Via email or Facebook if you like. There’s a good chance I’ll be working with them soon.

I really know very little about the aerospike. I was just looking into it briefly as an alternative to the bell nozzles. I had already seen how to optimise bell nozzles so that they worked as well as possible at multiple altitudes, and had read about three different ways of defining the “optimum” bell nozzle (minimum fuel usage Vs minimum weight Vs some other that now escapes my memory).

One of my challenges was to slow down a rocket engine so that it delivered the same total oomph, but over a time period ten times as long. That meant making the throat narrower to bring the chamber pressure back up, and that was bringing the throat diameter down from 5 mm to about 1.5 mm. Which was starting to be so narrow that it was interfering with ignition.

It was at that point that I started looking at the aerospike as an alternative. But I quickly realised that the throat width on an equivalent aerospike would need to be 0.075 mm for the same burning conditions, and that was quite impossible for me to manage. So I discarded the aerospike idea.

I also noticed in passing that the combustion chamber of the aerospike is less forgiving of machining errors than the combustion chamber of a bell nozzle. An asymmetry in either the combustion or nozzle shape of the bell nozzle has a relatively minor influence on the flight, because the torque lever arm is small. But an asymmetry in either the combustion or nozzle of an aerospike engine would exert a large torque on the rocket possibly sending it tumbling.

At a very rough guess, a machining error of 1 unit in an aerospike engine would be equivalent to a machining error 400 times as large for my small rocket, but that value of 400 would drop as the rocket became more powerful.

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Date: 31/05/2017 11:03:53
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 1073048
Subject: re: Aerospike Engine

Ah okay, thanks for that. I understand your points with respect to small aerospike rockets. As you say, it’d be less of a problem with larger ones.

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