Date: 2/06/2017 11:50:02
From: dv
ID: 1074236
Subject: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

I see Cortney Casey might be in trouble as her T/E ratio was tested at 5.4. The regulations stipulate a maximum T/E ratio of 4.0.

Can a woman in intense training naturally have a T/E ratio that high?

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Date: 2/06/2017 12:02:03
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074246
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

dv said:


I see Cortney Casey might be in trouble as her T/E ratio was tested at 5.4. The regulations stipulate a maximum T/E ratio of 4.0.

Can a woman in intense training naturally have a T/E ratio that high?

Women can do anything that a man can do?

I don’t know. I’d expect top women athletes to have more T than the norm?

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Date: 2/06/2017 12:04:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1074249
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

I see Cortney Casey might be in trouble as her T/E ratio was tested at 5.4. The regulations stipulate a maximum T/E ratio of 4.0.

Can a woman in intense training naturally have a T/E ratio that high?

Women can do anything that a man can do?

I don’t know. I’d expect top women athletes to have more T than the norm?

They do. Many women can do a lot that men cannot.

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Date: 2/06/2017 12:07:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074252
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

I take it you’ve read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitestosterone#Notable_cases

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Date: 2/06/2017 12:10:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1074255
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

mollwollfumble said:


I take it you’ve read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitestosterone#Notable_cases

Have now.

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Date: 2/06/2017 12:40:53
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1074265
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

dv said:


I see Cortney Casey might be in trouble as her T/E ratio was tested at 5.4. The regulations stipulate a maximum T/E ratio of 4.0.

Can a woman in intense training naturally have a T/E ratio that high?

Unlikely.

Not really related to T/E ratio, but a long post about testosterone/females/males etc below.

Hyperandrogenism and women v women v men in sport

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Date: 2/06/2017 12:59:25
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1074269
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

A few studies state that during ‘intense’ weight lifting or endurance exercise in women, there’s no significant change in testosterone level, dunno if they were recreational or elite athletes though.

“Little is published about gender differences in T/E; however, in our experience, the T/E distribution of a control group of female students, who are not at risk to take T, is shifted slightly to the left (lower values) of the distribution for control males.”

http://clinchem.aaccjnls.org/content/43/7/1280.long

Be difficult to determine a normal for athletes, you could never be sure they weren’t using Testosterone.

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Date: 3/06/2017 01:02:26
From: Cymek
ID: 1074396
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

How does it work for a male who undergoes a sex change to become a women and then competes in elite athletic events, would they have an advantage over other women in regards to muscle mass or would hormone therapy negate most of this.

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Date: 3/06/2017 04:17:02
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074428
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

Cymek said:


How does it work for a male who undergoes a sex change to become a women and then competes in elite athletic events, would they have an advantage over other women in regards to muscle mass or would hormone therapy negate most of this.

According to wikipedia, an average male should have about a 1:1 ratio.

I’d expect them to have an advantage where muscle mass is most important. Not necessarily in distance running where low weight helps. Muscle mass does vary a lot in the same person over a long period of time, but assuming that it’s always at its best possible value.

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Date: 3/06/2017 05:31:16
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1074449
Subject: re: testosterone/epitestosterone ratio

Cymek said:


How does it work for a male who undergoes a sex change to become a women and then competes in elite athletic events, would they have an advantage over other women in regards to muscle mass or would hormone therapy negate most of this.

See the link provided earlier.

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