http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-01/greenhouse-gases-database-shows-co2-ch4-n2o-rising-relentlessly/8578918
“ I did find that my finger was insatiable for a while though”
I wonder if he meant hunger?
Soz, wrong thread
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”
Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
The_observer said:
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
Yeah tell me about it with luck my suburb will become beach front property if the ocean levels rise enough
The_observer said:
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
!http://www.biocab.org/Geological_Timescale.jpg
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Cymek said:
The_observer said:
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
Yeah tell me about it with luck my suburb will become beach front property if the ocean levels rise enough
A reduction of human population could easily be seen as beneficial.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
The_observer said:
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
Yeah tell me about it with luck my suburb will become beach front property if the ocean levels rise enough
A reduction of human population could easily be seen as beneficial.
True or all the poorest nations and people suffer the most and the rich and powerful find a way to exploit them even more
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Yeah tell me about it with luck my suburb will become beach front property if the ocean levels rise enough
A reduction of human population could easily be seen as beneficial.
True or all the poorest nations and people suffer the most and the rich and powerful find a way to exploit them even more
They burned witches so they could attain their land on higher ground.
The_observer said:
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
I can’t tell the difference in colour between the two curves.
Is this graph saying that during the Carboniferous Period the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere dropped precipitously because it was being taken up by trees?
Could one of the other dips be due to the rise of hard corals taking CO2 out of the atmosphere? Not really, they appeared in the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous.
There was a massive extinction in the late Ordovician – early Silurian that exactly matches the dip in CO2 there. That was due to volcanic effects, so I would have expected the CO2 concentration to rise.
The one that starts higher is CO2.
The_observer said:
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
This planet and life can survive at higher CO2 levels and higher average temperatures, but life evolved over millions of years to accommodate this environment. The vegetation was completely different then and flowering plants had only evolved in the very latter part of this period, remember giant reptiles were king then, not mammals. It was a completely different world, of which we cannot return without mass extinctions (including us). So if you think high CO2 levels will be beneficial to life, the world as we know it must die, although the elevated CO2 levels will eventually benefit a completely new ecosystem that will not include us.
I’ve often wondered how resilient plants species are to climate change. If I had to give an uneducated opinion on the matter I would suggest that because plants operate on time-scales much longer than animals that they will have evolutionary coping measures to deal with environmental changes.
The fact that plants often have much larger genomes than animals also makes me think that they have evolved to cope with whatever natural variations in the climate that befall them.
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’ve often wondered how resilient plants species are to climate change. If I had to give an uneducated opinion on the matter I would suggest that because plants operate on time-scales much longer than animals that they will have evolutionary coping measures to deal with environmental changes.The fact that plants often have much larger genomes than animals also makes me think that they have evolved to cope with whatever natural variations in the climate that befall them.
Some will, although most wont. Changing climate knocks out vegetation very quickly, lengthy droughts and even additional rainfall will kill plants that have evolved for a different environment. New diseases and plants better suited to the changing conditions will invade and replace the original species, until they too are replaced. Everything will need to be rapidly evolving into something else, or they will die.
Human may be able to survive, but it won’t be pleasant I imagine.
But hey all those that created or won’t deal with the problems will be dead and give it to future generations as a crappy inheritance.
PermeateFree said:
I concur, completely.
The_observer said:
“Greenhouse gases higher than any time in 800,000 years”Thank goodness co2 is rising from a historical low to more natural & benificial levels!
!http://www.biocab.org/Geological_Timescale.jpg
This planet and life can survive at higher CO2 levels and higher average temperatures, but life evolved over millions of years to accommodate this environment. The vegetation was completely different then and flowering plants had only evolved in the very latter part of this period, remember giant reptiles were king then, not mammals. It was a completely different world, of which we cannot return without mass extinctions (including us). So if you think high CO2 levels will be beneficial to life, the world as we know it must die, although the elevated CO2 levels will eventually benefit a completely new ecosystem that will not include us.
Cymek said:
Human may be able to survive, but it won’t be pleasant I imagine.
But hey all those that created or won’t deal with the problems will be dead and give it to future generations as a crappy inheritance.
We are part of the environment, we do not control it. We rely on nature to produce our food and much of our clothing. We cannot shut ourselves away from it despite our ingenuity, especially in our large numbers. Nature is interrelated, not a lot of isolated organisms.
Cymek said:
I very much doubt the survival of humans. The planet will survive Some organisms will survive. Ecosystems will build a-new.
Human may be able to survive, but it won’t be pleasant I imagine.
But hey all those that created or won’t deal with the problems will be dead and give it to future generations as a crappy inheritance.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Human may be able to survive, but it won’t be pleasant I imagine.
But hey all those that created or won’t deal with the problems will be dead and give it to future generations as a crappy inheritance.
We are part of the environment, we do not control it. We rely on nature to produce our food and much of our clothing. We cannot shut ourselves away from it despite our ingenuity, especially in our large numbers. Nature is interrelated, not a lot of isolated organisms.
I suppose it depends on how bad it gets, a shame really the human race has potential but we may squander it and wipe ourselves out before we grow up and treat life with respect
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Human may be able to survive, but it won’t be pleasant I imagine.
But hey all those that created or won’t deal with the problems will be dead and give it to future generations as a crappy inheritance.
We are part of the environment, we do not control it. We rely on nature to produce our food and much of our clothing. We cannot shut ourselves away from it despite our ingenuity, especially in our large numbers. Nature is interrelated, not a lot of isolated organisms.
I suppose it depends on how bad it gets, a shame really the human race has potential but we may squander it and wipe ourselves out before we grow up and treat life with respect
If nature takes over in run-away global warming, which it is very likely to do in the foreseeable future. We will have NO say in how it will progress until some equilibrium is reached, which will not be for a very long time (possibly millions of years). So this planet it will quickly become a very unpleasant place for us to live, with no end in sight and with ever deteriorating conditions.
Actually, when I put the link up, it was the graph in that link that I was pointing to. I’m personally unimpressed with people harping about stuff that has happened in the last 150 years. An ice core graph is far, far more telling.
https://twitter.com/ClimateCollege/status/870049809171857409/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2017-06-01%2Fgreenhouse-gases-database-shows-co2-ch4-n2o-rising-relentlessly%2F8578918
I’m sorry, but I don’t know how to get that graph into the thread. If anyone can, please do.
buffy said:
Actually, when I put the link up, it was the graph in that link that I was pointing to. I’m personally unimpressed with people harping about stuff that has happened in the last 150 years. An ice core graph is far, far more telling.
https://twitter.com/ClimateCollege/status/870049809171857409/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2017-06-01%2Fgreenhouse-gases-database-shows-co2-ch4-n2o-rising-relentlessly%2F8578918
I’m sorry, but I don’t know how to get that graph into the thread. If anyone can, please do.
Stand back, I’ll handle this.
buffy said:
Actually, when I put the link up, it was the graph in that link that I was pointing to. I’m personally unimpressed with people harping about stuff that has happened in the last 150 years. An ice core graph is far, far more telling.
https://twitter.com/ClimateCollege/status/870049809171857409/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2017-06-01%2Fgreenhouse-gases-database-shows-co2-ch4-n2o-rising-relentlessly%2F8578918
I’m sorry, but I don’t know how to get that graph into the thread. If anyone can, please do.
click on the pic and it will open in a new pane. r click and copy image address.
Peak Warming Man said:
Thank you.