Date: 3/06/2017 15:57:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1074639
Subject: Measuring intelligence in politics

Would it be possible to measure intelligence in politics in how politicians vote?

Then extend this to the whole parliament.

Then measure other world governments to see the overall performance.

I wonder which country has the most intelligent government?

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Date: 3/06/2017 22:27:36
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074646
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

Tau.Neutrino said:


Would it be possible to measure intelligence in politics in how politicians vote?

Then extend this to the whole parliament.

Then measure other world governments to see the overall performance.

I wonder which country has the most intelligent government?

No.

But it is possible to measure stupidity in politics in how politicians vote.

Stupidity is not the opposite of intelligence.

Stupidity is making the lives of others worse without making your own life better.

I wonder which country has the least stupid government?

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:01:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074755
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

> I wonder which country has the least stupid government?

Let’s see. Starting a war is always stupid.
Over-legislation is always stupid.
Bureaucracy and red tape is always stupid. (eg. Accountability)
Letting bad people hurt numerous others is always stupid. (eg. Wall St)
Secrecy is always stupid. (Because it inevitably leads to corruption)
Short-sighted policy is always stupid.

A good sign of a non-stupid government would be a high ranking on the world happiness report.

Norway has jumped from 4th place on the World Happiness Report in 2016 to 1st place this year, followed by Denmark, Iceland and Switzerland in a tightly packed bunch. All of the top four countries rank highly on all the main factors found to support happiness: caring, freedom, generosity, honesty, health, income and good governance.

Ten countries with the most corrupt governments (Most corrupt first)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Romania
Trinidad and Tobago
Moldova
Bulgaria
Lithuania
Indonesia
Portugal
China
Ukraine

Ten countries with the least corrupt governments (Least corrupt first)
Singapore
Rwanda
Qatar
Denmark
Sweden
New Zealand
Finland
Switzerland
United Arab Emirates
Luxembourg

followed by numbers 11 to 16:
Norway
Australia
Ireland
Hong Kong
Canada
Netherlands

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:03:33
From: Michael V
ID: 1074756
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

Why is accountability stupid?

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:11:58
From: transition
ID: 1074761
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

mostly everything works as well as it does because of competencies to do with minding ones own business.

the hypersocial mind looking to expand it’s territory doesn’t always see this

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:12:22
From: transition
ID: 1074762
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

transition said:


mostly everything works as well as it does because of competencies to do with minding ones own business.

the hypersocial mind looking to expand it’s territory doesn’t always see this

it’s = its

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:14:46
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1074764
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

Ten countries with the least corrupt governments (Least corrupt first)
Singapore
Rwanda
Qatar
Denmark
Sweden
New Zealand
Finland
Switzerland
United Arab Emirates
Luxembourg
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splutter

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:24:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074766
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

Michael V said:


Why is accountability stupid?

Because it doubles the workload for no material gain.
Or to put it another way, it halves efficiency and enormously increases waste.
We don’t need more government accountability, we need less government secrecy.

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:27:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1074768
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

mollwollfumble said:

We don’t need more government accountability, we need less government secrecy.

Interesting idea.

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:29:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074769
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

Peak Warming Man said:


Ten countries with the least corrupt governments (Least corrupt first)
Singapore
Rwanda
Qatar
Denmark
Sweden
New Zealand
Finland
Switzerland
United Arab Emirates
Luxembourg
—————————————————-

splutter

Why splutter? Because of Rwanda?

I should elucidate that this is the residents’ impression of how corrupt their government is, which isn’t necessarily the same thing. But if a government isn’t corrupt and its people think it is then isn’t that also a sign of government stupidity?

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:34:32
From: transition
ID: 1074770
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

>we need less government secrecy.

having great diversity, for supply and demand, and of tasks and specialisations, i’d think requires some compartmentalisation, which is a great strength against disruptions (its adaptive, it can evolve). Also can parry against excessive or undue influence.

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Date: 4/06/2017 07:42:45
From: Michael V
ID: 1074772
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

mollwollfumble said:


Michael V said:

Why is accountability stupid?

Because it doubles the workload for no material gain.
Or to put it another way, it halves efficiency and enormously increases waste.
We don’t need more government accountability, we need less government secrecy.

How would you go about achieving the second without the first?

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Date: 4/06/2017 08:25:13
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1074784
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

Michael V said:


mollwollfumble said:

Michael V said:

Why is accountability stupid?

Because it doubles the workload for no material gain.
Or to put it another way, it halves efficiency and enormously increases waste.
We don’t need more government accountability, we need less government secrecy.

How would you go about achieving the second without the first?

For starters, all party room discussions allow media entry. This used to happen in Australia. It was only cut out in the 1980s.

Second, no bans on government employees speaking to the media, or to the general public.

Third, remove all the damn keycard access needed to get into offices. Again this is a new thing in places like CSIRO.

Media access to conferences.

No lockouts of staff during holidays and otherwise out of work hours.

The above is all for removing secrecy.

Now for removing accountability.

No timesheets for anyone not caught out cheating on their time ie. Innocent until proven guilty.

No accountability for petty cash and common consumables such as stationary, unless again caught abusing the privilege.

No need to account two years in advance for everything that you want to do.

Accountability mops up about 40% of the funding that CSIRO gets, increasing the time to do any real work and the cost of doing that work so much as to cut CSIRO’s ability to get external income enormously. Then about half the remaining 60% gets lost in trying to get funding for the resulting overpriced services.

And it’s the same all through government.

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Date: 4/06/2017 08:27:58
From: Michael V
ID: 1074786
Subject: re: Measuring intelligence in politics

Thanks.

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