Date: 9/06/2017 04:20:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1076636
Subject: Fragmented Information

With so many new discoveries in science there appears to be a growing fragmented information problem.

Keeping that information structured is an on going problem, I think some scientists get too caught up in research and fail to step back to see the bigger picture.

I think its the task of various science organizations to do this, even who ever looks after world standards ?

Anyone else think there’s a fragmented information problem?

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:24:30
From: Cymek
ID: 1076637
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many new discoveries in science there appears to be a growing fragmented information problem.

Keeping that information structured is an on going problem, I think some scientists get too caught up in research and fail to step back to see the bigger picture.

I think its the task of various science organizations to do this, even who ever looks after world standards ?

Anyone else think there’s a fragmented information problem?

I wonder how Wikipedia stacks up for new information collated and recorded as soon as possible.

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:29:40
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1076639
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

Cymek said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many new discoveries in science there appears to be a growing fragmented information problem.

Keeping that information structured is an on going problem, I think some scientists get too caught up in research and fail to step back to see the bigger picture.

I think its the task of various science organizations to do this, even who ever looks after world standards ?

Anyone else think there’s a fragmented information problem?

I wonder how Wikipedia stacks up for new information collated and recorded as soon as possible.

And compare it with Encyclopedia Britannica.

There could be various tools available to do that or are in development.

Information retrieval systems are around.

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:39:19
From: furious
ID: 1076642
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

There is a popular one called Google…

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:41:30
From: Cymek
ID: 1076643
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

furious said:

  • Information retrieval systems are around.

There is a popular one called Google…

And the old people version The Googles

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:49:19
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1076644
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

furious said:

  • Information retrieval systems are around.

There is a popular one called Google…

Can you structure that information to speed up information access ?

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:50:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1076645
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

Tau.Neutrino said:


furious said:
  • Information retrieval systems are around.

There is a popular one called Google…

Can you structure that information to speed up information access ?

Is Google optimized to search Wikipedia?

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:52:09
From: furious
ID: 1076647
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

Yes, pass search terms to it and it returns information related to those terms back…

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:53:41
From: furious
ID: 1076648
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

I believe that Wikipedia has its own built in search functionality but if you want Google to search it for you then you specify it as the site you want searched…

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:54:21
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1076649
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

furious said:

  • Can you structure that information to speed up information access ?

Yes, pass search terms to it and it returns information related to those terms back…

in an ideal world. sometimes it is a battle.

:-)

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Date: 9/06/2017 04:56:33
From: furious
ID: 1076650
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

That is why we are on an eternal quest for mastery of Google-Fu…

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Date: 9/06/2017 06:34:15
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1076710
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

Cymek said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many new discoveries in science there appears to be a growing fragmented information problem.

Keeping that information structured is an on going problem, I think some scientists get too caught up in research and fail to step back to see the bigger picture.

I think its the task of various science organizations to do this, even who ever looks after world standards ?

Anyone else think there’s a fragmented information problem?

I wonder how Wikipedia stacks up for new information collated and recorded as soon as possible.

Type in Google ‘human evolution’ and you have all the latest information, including the fossils discovered in Morocco. Seems pretty good to me, you just need to check in the right place.

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Date: 9/06/2017 06:38:14
From: Cymek
ID: 1076712
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

PermeateFree said:


Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many new discoveries in science there appears to be a growing fragmented information problem.

Keeping that information structured is an on going problem, I think some scientists get too caught up in research and fail to step back to see the bigger picture.

I think its the task of various science organizations to do this, even who ever looks after world standards ?

Anyone else think there’s a fragmented information problem?

I wonder how Wikipedia stacks up for new information collated and recorded as soon as possible.

Type in Google ‘human evolution’ and you have all the latest information, including the fossils discovered in Morocco. Seems pretty good to me, you just need to check in the right place.

I thought it would be quite reliable

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Date: 9/06/2017 07:53:57
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1076738
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

Tau.Neutrino said:

With so many new discoveries in science there appears to be a growing fragmented information problem.

Keeping that information structured is an on going problem, I think some scientists get too caught up in research and fail to step back to see the bigger picture.

I think its the task of various science organizations to do this, even who ever looks after world standards ?

Anyone else think there’s a fragmented information problem.

Before web searches and Wikipedia the fragmentation of information was a huge growing problem. The only way around it back then was to personally search a Uni library for books and then find all the papers that referenced those books using the hardcopy of the Science Citation Index. Order in the papers if they weren’t in the Uni library and keep going.

Even then, after a process taking at least three weeks, I’d still only get about a 50% hit rate on information.

After web searches appeared, the two main problems were that the searched information was always out of date, and no paper older than about five years could be found that way.

Both those problems have now been overcome. The three limitations now are that of cost – because you can never be sure how useful a paper or book is until you buy access, old stuff that has not (yet) been digitised. And private publications such as technical reports and conference proceedings that don’t get digitised either.

I had a really hard time tracking down a book that was published only last year, i had to call in external help, because the author paid for publication. And because being an Australian book it doesn’t show up on any bookseller’s website.

Information fragmentation is much much less of a problem than it used to be. But unless someone puts up the money to put it on the web it doesn’t exist.

And there’s almost as much difficulty now with foreign language publications as there used to be. Luckily, the only languages I’ve needed to extract information from have been Russian, German, Japanese and French (successfully) and Chinese (unsuccessfully).

I don’t count Facebook and Twitter as “information”. Too fragmented. The fragmentation of Wikipedia is a pain – too many dead links, and whenever I really need a link, it’s missing. But it’s still bloody marvelous.

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Date: 9/06/2017 12:20:04
From: KJW
ID: 1076877
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

Tau.Neutrino said:


who ever looks after world standards ?

This reminded me of:

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Date: 9/06/2017 12:35:23
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1076902
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

KJW said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

who ever looks after world standards ?

This reminded me of:


I’ve worked with quite a few people who have written Australian Standards. They tend to be experts in the field who come together to do the work as a small committee. The work is unpaid.

There are ISO committees set up for generating international standards, and they look at the individual standards of many countries, for starters those of the USA, Britain, Europe ESO and Australia. Presumably many other countries as well.

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Date: 9/06/2017 12:44:04
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1076914
Subject: re: Fragmented Information

it’s all fake anyway

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