MARCIA Langton was spot-on in her recent speech when she said green groups are hijacking and undermining the interests of Aboriginal people.

She’s correct that “cashed-up green groups, some funded by wealthy overseas interests, oppose mining projects with often-flimsy evidence and misrepresent the evidence to the public” and that they “deliberately thwart the aspirations and native title achievements of the majority of indigenous people by deception”.

On the same day as her speech, Greens senator Larissa Waters illustrated the point, authorising a Greens political advertisement opposing the Adani mine. It said “No Finance. No Consent from Traditional Owners. No Way.”

This statement is false. Fact: Adani has agreed six Indigenous Land Use Agreements (ILUAs) with three traditional owner groups — the Juru, Jaeggi and Berrimah native title groups. Adani also obtained the consent of the vast majority of Wangan and Jagalingou (W&J).

The W&J ILUA, which was approved by a 294-1 vote of the W&J native title claimant group, was challenged in court by individual W&J people who oppose the mine.

The Federal Court found the vote valid, but said a majority vote wasn’t enough to approve the ILUA. Rather, unanimous approval of W&J native title applicants was required.

Waters is wrong if she thinks there’s “No Consent from Traditional Owners”. Why are the Greens telling Aboriginal people what they can and can’t agree to? Do the Greens only believe in Aboriginal self-determination if we do what they want?

Propaganda is the hallmark of far-left and far-right political groups who believe their cause is so superior that any means is justified to garner support, even lies. The Greens are a far-left group with a cause. Here the cause is opposing coal.

Green groups also lie when they say coal is on the way out and fossil fuel extraction and power plants will soon be “stranded assets” with wind and solar on the verge of taking over.

Fact: Wind and solar represent less than 1 per cent of global energy consumption (4EJ out of total energy consumption of 525EJ).

Coal, natural gas and crude oil make up over 83 per cent (160EJ, 124EJ and 155EJ respectively). Fossil fuel energy consumption has increased massively since the early 1900s, including an increase in coal energy consumption in the past 30 years. These assets are far from being stranded.

Green groups don’t believe coal is in decline. Quite the opposite. In 2011 a coalition of environmental activists produced a detailed strategy for crippling Australia’s coal export industry through legal challenges and public campaigns, which was leaked.

It said: “Australia is on the verge of an unprecedented coal boom with around 120 proposed new coal mines or mine expansions that, if built, would see a tripling of Australia’s coal exports by the end of the decade … matched by a rush to build new rail lines and massively expand coal export ports.”

It’s not really fossil fuels the Greens oppose. It’s energy consumption and economic growth in general.

Green activism isn’t really about conservation. It’s about stopping all development.

I once issued a public challenge to green groups to name just one place in Australia where they would approve of a mine or oil or gas exploration. Silence.

Everything we touch depends on mining — obviously metals, but also synthetics and plastics (produced from petroleum). Even food, plant, textiles and timber production, which depend on machines and mined products.

If green groups don’t approve of any extractive industries in Australia, logically they’d have Australia import all natural resources and not export any. They want Australia to go broke.

It’s not just mining. Scratch the surface of green ideology and you’ll find opposition to farming, infrastructure, processing, manufacturing and any other development.

In Australia they feign an alliance with farmers because of mutual opposition to gas fracking and water use for mining. Pastoralists shouldn’t be so naive as to think green groups don’t have pastoral water use and environmental impact in their sights too.

In the US there’s even organised green opposition to solar energy farms in deserts.

Green groups consistently oppose projects and developments that create economic activity in remote and regional Australia.

They champion restrictions like the Wild Rivers legislation that made it impossible for Aboriginal groups in Cape York to do even the most basic things on their land, including things like horticulture and tourism.

Green groups hate people in regional Australia. They’d prefer nobody lived there at all, except in a subsistence existence with no impact on their surroundings.

Fundamentally, green groups believe Australia shouldn’t be touched beyond its current level of development. For people in regional Australia this means a very poor economic future indeed.

For all Australia, in fact.

Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO is Chair of the Yaabubiin Institute for Disruptive Thinking. His articles also regularly appear in The Koori Mail.

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The_observer said:

MARCIA Langton was spot-on in her recent speech when she said green groups are hijacking and undermining the interests of Aboriginal people.

She’s correct that “cashed-up green groups, some funded by wealthy overseas interests, oppose mining projects with often-flimsy evidence and misrepresent the evidence to the public” and that they “deliberately thwart the aspirations and native title achievements of the majority of indigenous people by deception”.

On the same day as her speech, Greens senator Larissa Waters illustrated the point, authorising a Greens political advertisement opposing the Adani mine. It said “No Finance. No Consent from Traditional Owners. No Way.”

This statement is false. Fact: Adani has agreed six Indigenous Land Use Agreements (ILUAs) with three traditional owner groups — the Juru, Jaeggi and Berrimah native title groups. Adani also obtained the consent of the vast majority of Wangan and Jagalingou (W&J).

The W&J ILUA, which was approved by a 294-1 vote of the W&J native title claimant group, was challenged in court by individual W&J people who oppose the mine.

The Federal Court found the vote valid, but said a majority vote wasn’t enough to approve the ILUA. Rather, unanimous approval of W&J native title applicants was required.

Waters is wrong if she thinks there’s “No Consent from Traditional Owners”. Why are the Greens telling Aboriginal people what they can and can’t agree to? Do the Greens only believe in Aboriginal self-determination if we do what they want?

Propaganda is the hallmark of far-left and far-right political groups who believe their cause is so superior that any means is justified to garner support, even lies. The Greens are a far-left group with a cause. Here the cause is opposing coal.

Green groups also lie when they say coal is on the way out and fossil fuel extraction and power plants will soon be “stranded assets” with wind and solar on the verge of taking over.

Fact: Wind and solar represent less than 1 per cent of global energy consumption (4EJ out of total energy consumption of 525EJ).

Coal, natural gas and crude oil make up over 83 per cent (160EJ, 124EJ and 155EJ respectively). Fossil fuel energy consumption has increased massively since the early 1900s, including an increase in coal energy consumption in the past 30 years. These assets are far from being stranded.

Green groups don’t believe coal is in decline. Quite the opposite. In 2011 a coalition of environmental activists produced a detailed strategy for crippling Australia’s coal export industry through legal challenges and public campaigns, which was leaked.

It said: “Australia is on the verge of an unprecedented coal boom with around 120 proposed new coal mines or mine expansions that, if built, would see a tripling of Australia’s coal exports by the end of the decade … matched by a rush to build new rail lines and massively expand coal export ports.”

It’s not really fossil fuels the Greens oppose. It’s energy consumption and economic growth in general.

Green activism isn’t really about conservation. It’s about stopping all development.

I once issued a public challenge to green groups to name just one place in Australia where they would approve of a mine or oil or gas exploration. Silence.

Everything we touch depends on mining — obviously metals, but also synthetics and plastics (produced from petroleum). Even food, plant, textiles and timber production, which depend on machines and mined products.

If green groups don’t approve of any extractive industries in Australia, logically they’d have Australia import all natural resources and not export any. They want Australia to go broke.

It’s not just mining. Scratch the surface of green ideology and you’ll find opposition to farming, infrastructure, processing, manufacturing and any other development.

In Australia they feign an alliance with farmers because of mutual opposition to gas fracking and water use for mining. Pastoralists shouldn’t be so naive as to think green groups don’t have pastoral water use and environmental impact in their sights too.

In the US there’s even organised green opposition to solar energy farms in deserts.

Green groups consistently oppose projects and developments that create economic activity in remote and regional Australia.

They champion restrictions like the Wild Rivers legislation that made it impossible for Aboriginal groups in Cape York to do even the most basic things on their land, including things like horticulture and tourism.

Green groups hate people in regional Australia. They’d prefer nobody lived there at all, except in a subsistence existence with no impact on their surroundings.

Fundamentally, green groups believe Australia shouldn’t be touched beyond its current level of development. For people in regional Australia this means a very poor economic future indeed.

For all Australia, in fact.

Nyunggai Warren Mundine AO is Chair of the Yaabubiin Institute for Disruptive Thinking. His articles also regularly appear in The Koori Mail.

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Is the above a direct quote, or is most of it the usual denier stuff?

• Is the above a direct quote, or is most of it the usual denier stuff?

Warren Mundine: Greens are out to damage Australia

PermeateFree said:

Is the above a direct quote, or is most of it the usual denier stuff?

Yes, it seems to be a direct cut an paste from a DT article under Warren Mundine’s name.

The Rev Dodgson said:

PermeateFree said:

Is the above a direct quote, or is most of it the usual denier stuff?

Yes, it seems to be a direct cut an paste from a DT article under Warren Mundine’s name.

Thanks, I did hear Marcia going off on a news item earlier, so realised she was not happy. Did not know of Warren Mundine’s involvement. It would not surprised me if the Greens went too far with their assertions and upset people, as they commonly do to me as well. However, Marcia and Warren appear more upset about the lack of protocol, the lack of job opportunities if the mine does not go ahead, which is far enough, but you would think they would also be more concerned about the reef, the environment generally and global warming.

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

PermeateFree said:

Is the above a direct quote, or is most of it the usual denier stuff?

Yes, it seems to be a direct cut an paste from a DT article under Warren Mundine’s name.

Thanks, I did hear Marcia going off on a news item earlier, so realised she was not happy. Did not know of Warren Mundine’s involvement. It would not surprised me if the Greens went too far with their assertions and upset people, as they commonly do to me as well. However, Marcia and Warren appear more upset about the lack of protocol, the lack of job opportunities if the mine does not go ahead, which is far enough, but you would think they would also be more concerned about the reef, the environment generally and global warming.

Another viewpoint here:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/09/leading-indigenous-lawyer-hits-back-at-marcia-langton-over-adani

The Rev Dodgson said:

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes, it seems to be a direct cut an paste from a DT article under Warren Mundine’s name.

Thanks, I did hear Marcia going off on a news item earlier, so realised she was not happy. Did not know of Warren Mundine’s involvement. It would not surprised me if the Greens went too far with their assertions and upset people, as they commonly do to me as well. However, Marcia and Warren appear more upset about the lack of protocol, the lack of job opportunities if the mine does not go ahead, which is far enough, but you would think they would also be more concerned about the reef, the environment generally and global warming.

Another viewpoint here:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/09/leading-indigenous-lawyer-hits-back-at-marcia-langton-over-adani

The guardian, just another leftwing viewpoint backing the leftwing greens

I’ll admit I like most of my greens.

Brussel Sprouts – tick
String beans – tick
Spinach – tick

You actually have to go through quite an extensive list of greens that I enjoy before you’d come to one that I actively dislike.

Kale – boo hiss.

sibeen said:

I’ll admit I like most of my greens.

Brussel Sprouts – tick
String beans – tick
Spinach – tick

You actually have to go through quite an extensive list of greens that I enjoy before you’d come to one that I actively dislike.

Kale – boo hiss.

do you like rocket?

sibeen said:

I’ll admit I like most of my greens.

Brussel Sprouts – tick
String beans – tick
Spinach – tick

You actually have to go through quite an extensive list of greens that I enjoy before you’d come to one that I actively dislike.

Kale – boo hiss.

I love my greens too. They are tastier since co2 hit 400ppm. It’s a photosynthesis thing.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I’ll admit I like most of my greens.

Brussel Sprouts – tick
String beans – tick
Spinach – tick

You actually have to go through quite an extensive list of greens that I enjoy before you’d come to one that I actively dislike.

Kale – boo hiss.

do you like rocket?

Yes, very much so.

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I’ll admit I like most of my greens.

Brussel Sprouts – tick
String beans – tick
Spinach – tick

You actually have to go through quite an extensive list of greens that I enjoy before you’d come to one that I actively dislike.

Kale – boo hiss.

do you like rocket?

Yes, very much so.

arrrggggh. not keen. all the others no probs.

I like rocket. A pleasant peppery heat to it that reminds me of radishes.

Greens hate paperbags. Dries them out. Then everything turns into a soggy mess.

I keep reading the thread title and my answer is consistently..Rupert Murdoch.

I reckon Rupert was made to eat kale and overcooked cabbage all his childhood, and that’s why he’s turned out like he has….

ruby said:

I reckon Rupert was made to eat kale and overcooked cabbage all his childhood, and that’s why he’s turned out like he has….

Yes; one of the planets most successful business men

The_observer said:

ruby said:

I reckon Rupert was made to eat kale and overcooked cabbage all his childhood, and that’s why he’s turned out like he has….

Yes; one of the planets most successful business men

One of the planets, you say….Uranus?

ruby said:

The_observer said:

ruby said:

I reckon Rupert was made to eat kale and overcooked cabbage all his childhood, and that’s why he’s turned out like he has….

Yes; one of the planets most successful business men

One of the planets, you say….Uranus?

What made you turn out the way you did?

Poverty, jailed parent(s), bullied as a child?

Bubblecar said:

I like rocket. A pleasant peppery heat to it that reminds me of radishes.

Actually apart of the same family. I love picking rocket and radish flowers to eat The seeds too.

The Rev Dodgson said:

PermeateFree said:

Is the above a direct quote, or is most of it the usual denier stuff?

Yes, it seems to be a direct cut an paste from a DT article under Warren Mundine’s name.

You mean the Daily Terror Graph?

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

I like rocket. A pleasant peppery heat to it that reminds me of radishes.

Actually apart of the same family. I love picking rocket and radish flowers to eat The seeds too.

Lots of brassicas have that pepperiness. I planted mustard cabbage to deter the root nematodes. Now they self seed and a little bit of them goes a long way when you try eating them.

ruby said:

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

I like rocket. A pleasant peppery heat to it that reminds me of radishes.

Actually apart of the same family. I love picking rocket and radish flowers to eat The seeds too.

Lots of brassicas have that pepperiness. I planted mustard cabbage to deter the root nematodes. Now they self seed and a little bit of them goes a long way when you try eating them.

Mustard cabbage, do you mean rape?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

PermeateFree said:

Is the above a direct quote, or is most of it the usual denier stuff?

Yes, it seems to be a direct cut an paste from a DT article under Warren Mundine’s name.

You mean the Daily Terror Graph?

That’s the one.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Yes, it seems to be a direct cut an paste from a DT article under Warren Mundine’s name.

You mean the Daily Terror Graph?

That’s the one.

Yeh, that’s whats important, not what is written, but which outlets is was published in.

roughbarked said:

ruby said:

roughbarked said:

Actually apart of the same family. I love picking rocket and radish flowers to eat The seeds too.

Lots of brassicas have that pepperiness. I planted mustard cabbage to deter the root nematodes. Now they self seed and a little bit of them goes a long way when you try eating them.

Mustard cabbage, do you mean rape?

I bought the seeds as red cabbage leaf mustard, I have the biggest one I’ve ever grown in my garden at the moment. I’ll be saving the seed from that one.

I expect Warren Mundine to be bashed by some GetUp kinds for his article.

I also expect Warren to be able to take care of the lefty fascist terrorists like Bolt did.

The_observer said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

You mean the Daily Terror Graph?

That’s the one.

Yeh, that’s whats important, not what is written, but which outlets is was published in.

You reckon? What is important is that some papers fill the pages with sensationalist bullshit.

ruby said:

roughbarked said:

ruby said:

Lots of brassicas have that pepperiness. I planted mustard cabbage to deter the root nematodes. Now they self seed and a little bit of them goes a long way when you try eating them.

Mustard cabbage, do you mean rape?

I bought the seeds as red cabbage leaf mustard, I have the biggest one I’ve ever grown in my garden at the moment. I’ll be saving the seed from that one.

Seed saving is a worthwhile pastime.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That’s the one.

Yeh, that’s whats important, not what is written, but which outlets is was published in.

You reckon? What is important is that some papers fill the pages with sensationalist bullshit.

Absolutely; that’s why I avoide the ABC & fairfax.

But what about what Mundine had to say?

The_observer said:

I expect Warren Mundine to be bashed by some GetUp kinds for his article.

I also expect Warren to be able to take care of the lefty fascist terrorists like Bolt did.

Who’d waste their time bashing Mundine?

and how you get lefty fascist and terroists is by listening to Bolt.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I expect Warren Mundine to be bashed by some GetUp kinds for his article.

I also expect Warren to be able to take care of the lefty fascist terrorists like Bolt did.

Who’d waste their time bashing Mundine?

and how you get lefty fascist and terroists is by listening to Bolt.

No, i get it by reading the news.

Like the lefty fascist terrorists (LFT) who threatened & assulted people trying to board a bus taking them to a Cory Barnardi talk. J u st one example.

Actually, the fascist bit i heard on tripple j hack, & agreed it was apt

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Yeh, that’s whats important, not what is written, but which outlets is was published in.

You reckon? What is important is that some papers fill the pages with sensationalist bullshit.

Absolutely; that’s why I avoide the ABC & fairfax.

But what about what Mundine had to say?

He’s not all there. Rather he’s not anywhere.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

You reckon? What is important is that some papers fill the pages with sensationalist bullshit.

Absolutely; that’s why I avoide the ABC & fairfax.

But what about what Mundine had to say?

He’s not all there. Rather he’s not anywhere.

Yep, thats the way, insult the truth tellers.

Great comeback

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I expect Warren Mundine to be bashed by some GetUp kinds for his article.

I also expect Warren to be able to take care of the lefty fascist terrorists like Bolt did.

Who’d waste their time bashing Mundine?

and how you get lefty fascist and terroists is by listening to Bolt.

No, i get it by reading the news.

Like the lefty fascist terrorists (LFT) who threatened & assulted people trying to board a bus taking them to a Cory Barnardi talk. J u st one example.

Actually, the fascist bit i heard on tripple j hack, & agreed it was apt

Think you are talking about idiots if they were catching a bus to a Cory Bernadi talk.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Absolutely; that’s why I avoide the ABC & fairfax.

But what about what Mundine had to say?

He’s not all there. Rather he’s not anywhere.

Yep, thats the way, insult the truth tellers.

Great comeback

Nobody tells truth. It is like happiness. It simply is.

You cannot pursue happiness or truth. f you are too stupid to simply trip over them, it is your loss.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

He’s not all there. Rather he’s not anywhere.

Yep, thats the way, insult the truth tellers.

Great comeback

Nobody tells truth. It is like happiness. It simply is.

You cannot pursue happiness or truth. f you are too stupid to simply trip over them, it is your loss.

The greens love the earth, because they are the scum of the earth, & as you speak such shit, you fit right in with them.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Yep, thats the way, insult the truth tellers.

Great comeback

Nobody tells truth. It is like happiness. It simply is.

You cannot pursue happiness or truth. f you are too stupid to simply trip over them, it is your loss.

The greens love the earth, because they are the scum of the earth, & as you speak such shit, you fit right in with them.

and what pray are you fitting in with?

The greens love the earth, because they are the scum of the earth, & as you speak such shit, you fit right in with them.

——

The hatred is deep in this one.

tauto said:

The greens love the earth, because they are the scum of the earth, & as you speak such shit, you fit right in with them.

——

The hatred is deep in this one.

It seems so.

tauto said:

The greens love the earth, because they are the scum of the earth, & as you speak such shit, you fit right in with them.

——

The hatred is deep in this one.

It is, it is.

I wonder what happened to him in kindy to make him so cranky?

roughbarked said:

tauto said:

The greens love the earth, because they are the scum of the earth, & as you speak such shit, you fit right in with them.

——

The hatred is deep in this one.

It seems so.

He’s probably just put a little out of kilter by the attack on Bolt.

I’m sure he felt just as strongly about the similar attack on Alan Joyce, but probably chose to vent his feelings on that one in a different forum.

Aborigines, although their culture is very different to most white Australians, they too differ greatly in their opinions. So what you have is two highly vocal elders from an extremely diverse number of Aboriginal groups letting off steam at something they feel strongly about. It does not mean all Aborigines share their views and I would like to hear from those who belong to the country in question, not just those from a different part of Australia with entirely different customs and priorities.

PermeateFree said:

Aborigines, although their culture is very different to most white Australians, they too differ greatly in their opinions. So what you have is two highly vocal elders from an extremely diverse number of Aboriginal groups letting off steam at something they feel strongly about. It does not mean all Aborigines share their views and I would like to hear from those who belong to the country in question, not just those from a different part of Australia with entirely different customs and priorities.

It is a fair point.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Aborigines, although their culture is very different to most white Australians, they too differ greatly in their opinions. So what you have is two highly vocal elders from an extremely diverse number of Aboriginal groups letting off steam at something they feel strongly about. It does not mean all Aborigines share their views and I would like to hear from those who belong to the country in question, not just those from a different part of Australia with entirely different customs and priorities.

It is a fair point.

Another highly vocal indigenous leader Noel Pearson of North Queensland is another elder who passionately wants development for the northern region. He along with Marcia and Warren serve together on many committees and various organisations, and consequently have strong relationships. Tony Abbott is regarded highly by Noel Pearson and probably the other two as well.

Below is an extract from The Sydney Morning Herald that illustrate my comment above.

>>Likewise, Pearson, along with Warren Mundine, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, and Professor Marcia Langton, another prophet of the need to move away from the dysfunction and failure of 40 years of Whitlamite policies, have had the ear of successive governments, as well as the business and mining community. Langton has worked closely with Andrew Forrest in promoting a new jobs plan, which would closely connect entitlement to welfare benefits, delivered through a government card, to proper management of family and affairs.<<

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Aborigines, although their culture is very different to most white Australians, they too differ greatly in their opinions. So what you have is two highly vocal elders from an extremely diverse number of Aboriginal groups letting off steam at something they feel strongly about. It does not mean all Aborigines share their views and I would like to hear from those who belong to the country in question, not just those from a different part of Australia with entirely different customs and priorities.

It is a fair point.

Another highly vocal indigenous leader Noel Pearson of North Queensland is another elder who passionately wants development for the northern region. He along with Marcia and Warren serve together on many committees and various organisations, and consequently have strong relationships. Tony Abbott is regarded highly by Noel Pearson and probably the other two as well.

Below is an extract from The Sydney Morning Herald that illustrate my comment above.

>>Likewise, Pearson, along with Warren Mundine, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, and Professor Marcia Langton, another prophet of the need to move away from the dysfunction and failure of 40 years of Whitlamite policies, have had the ear of successive governments, as well as the business and mining community. Langton has worked closely with Andrew Forrest in promoting a new jobs plan, which would closely connect entitlement to welfare benefits, delivered through a government card, to proper management of family and affairs.<<

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

Lack of consultation for development is the key point here

PermeateFree said:

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

The latest treasure trove of Wikileaks emails released shows that Australian green groups have been secretly funded to destroy our coal industry by ­environmental activists connected to the Clinton campaign.

The email account of Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta reveals extraordinary details of the sabotage of the $16 billion Adani coalmine in Queensland, which has damaged Australia’s national interest and denied cheap electricity to millions of poor Indians.

Last August John Hepburn, former Greenpeace activist and founder of Australian anti-coal group the Sunrise Project, sent a crowing email to his American paymasters, the Sandler Foundation, which is also a major donor to the Clinton Foundation. (Founder Herb Sandler and mate George Soros funded another Clinton-aligned progressive group, the Centre for American Progress, previously chaired by Podesta.)

“The Adani Carmichael mine and the whole Galilee Basin fossil fuel industrial complex is in its death throes,” Hepburn wrote in the email forwarded to Podesta.

“I am going to buy a few bottles of bubbly for a celebration with the (Environmental ­Defenders Office) legal team, our colleagues at >>>>GetUp,<<<< Greenpeace, 350.org, ECF, Australian Youth Climate Coalition, Mackay Conservation Group, Market Forces and the brilliant and tireless Sunrise team.”

In another email forwarded to Podesta, Hepburn panics about an Abbott government inquiry into environmental charities and discusses hiding Sunrise’s sources of funding to safeguard its charitable tax status.

Hepburn boasts about the latest legal blow to Adani, when the Federal Court overturned its approval and the Commonwealth Bank quit the project.

In it he now wants to “escalate the campaign ­towards the other 3 big Australian banks”.

And he mocks miners who “try to claim that there is some kind of foreign-funded and tightly orchestrated conspiracy to systematically ­destroy the Australian coal industry. (I seriously don’t know where they get these wacky ideas from!)”

As if it’s not bad enough that foreign-funded activists are meddling with our largest export earner, Podesta’s emails also detail their insidious influence on indigenous land owners who blocked the Adani mine using powerful native title rights.

This alliance of green groups with native title owners is a frightening development detailed in a new book by historian Keith Windschuttle, The Break-up of Australia: The Real Agenda behind Aboriginal Recognition.

He reveals the imminent expansion of native title claims, either ­approved or quietly being processed, stretch across a whopping 60 per cent of the Australian continent, an area twice the size of Western Europe.

Already 6000sq km of the Kidman cattle empire in the Kimberley has been given, via native title, to green activists to be converted from productive cattle country to a wildlife conservation area.

“In return, the Yulumbu people get a paltry $50,000 a year royalty,” Windschuttle writes.

“As a flora and fauna sanctuary it is economically defunct for the foreseeable future.”

At worst, writes Windschuttle, the upcoming referendum for indigenous constitutional recognition, proposed by Gillard in 2012, could pave the way for a separate Aboriginal state on native title land, funded by taxation, royalties and lease payments — passive welfare in another guise.

At the very least, the ­alliance between foreign-­funded green groups and ­indigenous owners gives ­environmentalists the opportunity to take whole swathes of Australia out of the productive economy and shut down industries they don’t like, from coal mines in Queensland to cattle farms in Western Australia.

I see that Keith Windschuttle’s essay in Quadrant declares that it would have been better to sell the property to the Chinese so that “it would have generated millions a year for the local economy, the West Australian and Australian governments and their people.”.

There are some questions about foreign ownership, though:

a). where is the “market” into which the produce from this, and other such properties, is sold ? ;

b). who controls that market – foreign or local interests ? ;

c). to what extent do foreign nationals control the vertical integration of the production-export side of the business ;

d). what is the REAL added value to the Australian economy ;

e). are they able to manipulate artificially high production costs Vs artificially low export returns ?

f). what is the risk of foreign companies controlling (total) primary production + distribution + export + export freight ?

mcgoon said:

I see that Keith Windschuttle’s essay in Quadrant declares that it would have been better to sell the property to the Chinese so that “it would have generated millions a year for the local economy, the West Australian and Australian governments and their people.”.

There are some questions about foreign ownership, though:

a). where is the “market” into which the produce from this, and other such properties, is sold ? ;

b). who controls that market – foreign or local interests ? ;

c). to what extent do foreign nationals control the vertical integration of the production-export side of the business ;

d). what is the REAL added value to the Australian economy ;

e). are they able to manipulate artificially high production costs Vs artificially low export returns ?

f). what is the risk of foreign companies controlling (total) primary production + distribution + export + export freight ?

I met a wheat farmer recently who was trying to find new local markets for his wheat, as the privatised Newcastle port had increased the freight costs substantially, to the point that he was thinking of selling up the farm.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Aborigines, although their culture is very different to most white Australians, they too differ greatly in their opinions. So what you have is two highly vocal elders from an extremely diverse number of Aboriginal groups letting off steam at something they feel strongly about. It does not mean all Aborigines share their views and I would like to hear from those who belong to the country in question, not just those from a different part of Australia with entirely different customs and priorities.

It is a fair point.

Another highly vocal indigenous leader Noel Pearson of North Queensland is another elder who passionately wants development for the northern region. He along with Marcia and Warren serve together on many committees and various organisations, and consequently have strong relationships. Tony Abbott is regarded highly by Noel Pearson and probably the other two as well.

Below is an extract from The Sydney Morning Herald that illustrate my comment above.

>>Likewise, Pearson, along with Warren Mundine, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, and Professor Marcia Langton, another prophet of the need to move away from the dysfunction and failure of 40 years of Whitlamite policies, have had the ear of successive governments, as well as the business and mining community. Langton has worked closely with Andrew Forrest in promoting a new jobs plan, which would closely connect entitlement to welfare benefits, delivered through a government card, to proper management of family and affairs.<<

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

Yes, a very fair point.

How governments should balance conflicting pressures from different indigenous groups is a difficult problem, but certainly they shouldn’t give undue weight to particular individuals not directly involved, just because they are articulate and have access to popular media outlets.

monkey skipper said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

It is a fair point.

Another highly vocal indigenous leader Noel Pearson of North Queensland is another elder who passionately wants development for the northern region. He along with Marcia and Warren serve together on many committees and various organisations, and consequently have strong relationships. Tony Abbott is regarded highly by Noel Pearson and probably the other two as well.

Below is an extract from The Sydney Morning Herald that illustrate my comment above.

>>Likewise, Pearson, along with Warren Mundine, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, and Professor Marcia Langton, another prophet of the need to move away from the dysfunction and failure of 40 years of Whitlamite policies, have had the ear of successive governments, as well as the business and mining community. Langton has worked closely with Andrew Forrest in promoting a new jobs plan, which would closely connect entitlement to welfare benefits, delivered through a government card, to proper management of family and affairs.<<

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

Lack of consultation for development is the key point here

Certainly is.

The_observer said:

The latest treasure trove of Wikileaks emails released shows that Australian green groups have been secretly funded to destroy our coal industry by ­environmental activists connected to the Clinton campaign.

Hah. The coal industry is buggered anyway.

It’s amusing (ironic?) that much of the opinion quoted in connection with the alleged funding of green groups by American interests is from Keith Windschuttle’s essay in ‘Quadrant’.

‘Quadrant’ is itself a publication which, at one time, was funded to a greater or lesser degree by the CIA, and the current funding of which (while probably not from the CIA these days), remains rather mysterious.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

The latest treasure trove of Wikileaks emails released shows that Australian green groups have been secretly funded to destroy our coal industry by ­environmental activists connected to the Clinton campaign.

Hah. The coal industry is buggered anyway.

Actually far from it

mcgoon said:

It’s amusing (ironic?) that much of the opinion quoted in connection with the alleged funding of green groups by American interests is from Keith Windschuttle’s essay in ‘Quadrant’.

‘Quadrant’ is itself a publication which, at one time, was funded to a greater or lesser degree by the CIA, and the current funding of which (while probably not from the CIA these days), remains rather mysterious.

Interesting, mcgoon.

Quadrant is the publication that recently had to apologise about, and remove, an article that said that the Manchester bombing should have taken place at the ABC headquarters.
Windschuttle is the editor-in-chief of Quadrant too.

ruby said:

roughbarked said:

ruby said:

Lots of brassicas have that pepperiness. I planted mustard cabbage to deter the root nematodes. Now they self seed and a little bit of them goes a long way when you try eating them.

Mustard cabbage, do you mean rape?

I bought the seeds as red cabbage leaf mustard, I have the biggest one I’ve ever grown in my garden at the moment. I’ll be saving the seed from that one.

When we were growing seed very many years ago it was made clear that we were to save seed from as many plants as possible. A cross section. Saving the seeds from one is selecting. So you can call this ‘Ruby’s selected.’ Better still do it again and call it ‘Ruby’s reselected.’

sarahs mum said:

ruby said:

roughbarked said:

Mustard cabbage, do you mean rape?

I bought the seeds as red cabbage leaf mustard, I have the biggest one I’ve ever grown in my garden at the moment. I’ll be saving the seed from that one.

When we were growing seed very many years ago it was made clear that we were to save seed from as many plants as possible. A cross section. Saving the seeds from one is selecting. So you can call this ‘Ruby’s selected.’ Better still do it again and call it ‘Ruby’s reselected.’

I will do this! A lot of the upstarts don’t have much red, but the one I’ll be saving is highly coloured. I might cage it up so the dog doesn’t knock it over in her continual War Against The Invading Army Of Brush Turkeys….

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Aborigines, although their culture is very different to most white Australians, they too differ greatly in their opinions. So what you have is two highly vocal elders from an extremely diverse number of Aboriginal groups letting off steam at something they feel strongly about. It does not mean all Aborigines share their views and I would like to hear from those who belong to the country in question, not just those from a different part of Australia with entirely different customs and priorities.

It is a fair point.

Another highly vocal indigenous leader Noel Pearson of North Queensland is another elder who passionately wants development for the northern region. He along with Marcia and Warren serve together on many committees and various organisations, and consequently have strong relationships. Tony Abbott is regarded highly by Noel Pearson and probably the other two as well.

Below is an extract from The Sydney Morning Herald that illustrate my comment above.

>>Likewise, Pearson, along with Warren Mundine, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, and Professor Marcia Langton, another prophet of the need to move away from the dysfunction and failure of 40 years of Whitlamite policies, have had the ear of successive governments, as well as the business and mining community. Langton has worked closely with Andrew Forrest in promoting a new jobs plan, which would closely connect entitlement to welfare benefits, delivered through a government card, to proper management of family and affairs.<<

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

I’ve never really liked Noel Pearson. I’m a bit of a fan of the Dodson brothers. Completely different style of arguing.

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

LOL. Stop reading Bolt, he’s rotting your mind.

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

LOL. Stop reading Bolt, he’s rotting your mind.

If Bolt agrees with me on this that’s fine, what’s he saying?

https://newmatilda.com/2015/02/12/coalition-attacks-kids-detention-report-are-irrational-and-wilfully-blind/

ChrispenEvan said:

https://newmatilda.com/2015/02/12/coalition-attacks-kids-detention-report-are-irrational-and-wilfully-blind/

anyway we all know you don’t care about human rights and refugees, you’ve shown your colours too many times here for there to be any doubt, it is all about political point scoring.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/09/leading-indigenous-lawyer-hits-back-at-marcia-langton-over-adani

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

May well be true. I know next to nothing about her.

Certainly it is true of many other people.

Bolt, Devine, and Dutton, to name but three.

buffy said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

It is a fair point.

Another highly vocal indigenous leader Noel Pearson of North Queensland is another elder who passionately wants development for the northern region. He along with Marcia and Warren serve together on many committees and various organisations, and consequently have strong relationships. Tony Abbott is regarded highly by Noel Pearson and probably the other two as well.

Below is an extract from The Sydney Morning Herald that illustrate my comment above.

>>Likewise, Pearson, along with Warren Mundine, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, and Professor Marcia Langton, another prophet of the need to move away from the dysfunction and failure of 40 years of Whitlamite policies, have had the ear of successive governments, as well as the business and mining community. Langton has worked closely with Andrew Forrest in promoting a new jobs plan, which would closely connect entitlement to welfare benefits, delivered through a government card, to proper management of family and affairs.<<

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

I’ve never really liked Noel Pearson. I’m a bit of a fan of the Dodson brothers. Completely different style of arguing.

hmm, yep.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

May well be true. I know next to nothing about her.

Certainly it is true of many other people.

Bolt, Devine, and Dutton, to name but three.

and The_Observer.

roughbarked said:

and The_Observer.

Well yeah, obviously The_Observers, The_Observers go without saying.

>>>>Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-<<<<

LO very fucking loud

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

A very accurate assessment by pwm.

But he left out that she’s a far leftwing fascist

The_observer said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs has called out the government-sponsored “ideological assault” on community advocacy groups – singling out threats to GetUp.1

From the front pages of The Australian to the indignant outrage of Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine, GetUp members are under attack. For funding independent journalism into tax cheating,2 for campaigning to end Peter Dutton’s destructive influence on our democracy,3 and for defending Australia’s precious water, land and air against the toxic Adani mine.4

It’s an attack on the very idea that everyday people have a role to play in our democracy – with the 1% elite that have the most to lose pulling the strings.

And they’re not just calling us names, either.

Professor Triggs warns of “intimidation and persecution” waged against whistleblowers, government-sponsored “fake news” to destroy reputations, and plots to choke off funding for groups like GetUp, who stand up for people and the environment.5

With attacks coming thick and fast, now more than ever, we need reliable, ongoing funding – to defend our movement’s right to advocate for the values and causes that matter to each of us.

Show Bolt, Devine and Dutton that we won’t be intimidated, by joining the GetUp Crew with a regular donation to support our work together.

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

A very accurate assessment by pwm.

But he left out that she’s a far leftwing fascist

leftwing and fascist in the same sentence?

You listen to too much Bolt.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Only reinforces where Gillian Triggs is coming from.
There has never been anything independent about her, she was virtually in the Labor government of Gillard.
She is all about politics and nothing about human rights.
She waited till the Coalition came to office before starting an inquiry into children in detention.
For her the fold on the symbol of justice only covers one eye.

A very accurate assessment by pwm.

But he left out that she’s a far leftwing fascist

leftwing and fascist in the same sentence?

You listen to too much Bolt.

Oh, Bolts great, but I prefer Tim Blair & Mark Latham

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

A very accurate assessment by pwm.

But he left out that she’s a far leftwing fascist

leftwing and fascist in the same sentence?

You listen to too much Bolt.

Oh, Bolts great, but I prefer Tim Blair & Mark Latham

Nonsense usually means that sense makes more of itself.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

leftwing and fascist in the same sentence?

You listen to too much Bolt.

Oh, Bolts great, but I prefer Tim Blair & Mark Latham

Nonsense usually means that sense makes more of itself.

Still, fair do’s. Say what you like about Tim Blair, if his Wikipedia article is accurate it certainly looks like he has been consistent in his fight against free speech and in favour of hypocrisy over many years.

sarahs mum said:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/09/leading-indigenous-lawyer-hits-back-at-marcia-langton-over-adani

An extract from the above link.

>>One of Australia’s leading native title lawyers has spoken publicly for the first time as a traditional owner fighting to stop the Adani mine, a campaign he said was driven by “proud and independent people” who were among the best-informed Indigenous litigants in the country.<<

A good indication of the opposition to Marcia Langton et al. and of the proposed Adani mines.

monkey skipper said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

It is a fair point.

Another highly vocal indigenous leader Noel Pearson of North Queensland is another elder who passionately wants development for the northern region. He along with Marcia and Warren serve together on many committees and various organisations, and consequently have strong relationships. Tony Abbott is regarded highly by Noel Pearson and probably the other two as well.

Below is an extract from The Sydney Morning Herald that illustrate my comment above.

>>Likewise, Pearson, along with Warren Mundine, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, and Professor Marcia Langton, another prophet of the need to move away from the dysfunction and failure of 40 years of Whitlamite policies, have had the ear of successive governments, as well as the business and mining community. Langton has worked closely with Andrew Forrest in promoting a new jobs plan, which would closely connect entitlement to welfare benefits, delivered through a government card, to proper management of family and affairs.<<

So you have these highly respected Aboriginal elders, with very strong views on mining development to aid Aborigine participation in the workforce. However they have strong critics and considerable opposition by other Aboriginal groups including their own. Therefore it is not surprising that their criticism of the Greens and others, who they see as being in the opposing camp.

Lack of consultation for development is the key point here

There are some things consultation can rarely solve, ideology between Aboriginal groups is one.

i wonder if the pro-coal mine people have considered that, rather than being driven by being part of a hidden-agenda conspiracy group, people opposed to the Adani coal mine just don’t like the idea of a foreign company controlling Australian natural resources, wanting to impose whatever practices and policies they like in their mining, export the product, keep all of the profits, and not only pay minimal or no tax on the profits, but also expect the people of Queensland and Australia to pay them to do all this.

mcgoon said:

i wonder if the pro-coal mine people have considered that, rather than being driven by being part of a hidden-agenda conspiracy group, people opposed to the Adani coal mine just don’t like the idea of a foreign company controlling Australian natural resources, wanting to impose whatever practices and policies they like in their mining, export the product, keep all of the profits, and not only pay minimal or no tax on the profits, but also expect the people of Queensland and Australia to pay them to do all this.

Seems to have missed their receptors.

If anyone wants to support Get-up

ChrispenEvan said:

If anyone wants to support Get-up

Can i afford to donate the cost of a bottle of cheap cooking sherry once a month?

Yeah, why not?

• Yeah, why not?