Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

Iran…

The_observer said:

Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

I don’t know. The word marriage makes me itch from discomfort anyway regardless of gender or what have you. Marriage is not of interest to all people.

The_observer said:

Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

But if you had the sex change, then you were no longer male and I would think could marry a male without problem.

I don’t understand the question. If the medical certificate now says you were born a female then you can marry anyone born a male.

party_pants said:

I don’t understand the question. If the medical certificate now says you were born a female then you can marry anyone born a male.

where medical certificate was supposed to read birth certificate.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

But if you had the sex change, then you were no longer male and I would think could marry a male without problem.

But no; I was born a male, with a male penis. No matter the op, I’m v a male.

What if the bloke I marry is hetro?

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

But if you had the sex change, then you were no longer male and I would think could marry a male without problem.

But no; I was born a male, with a male penis. No matter the op, I’m v a male.

What if the bloke I marry is hetro?

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

I don’t understand the question. If the medical certificate now says you were born a female then you can marry anyone born a male.

where medical certificate was supposed to read birth certificate.

Yeah. I don’t think you get a day of work for bringing in a medical certificate that says that you are male. You could try and see how that goes – I guess and then if rejected say that is discrimination. :D

party_pants said:

I don’t understand the question. If the medical certificate now says you were born a female then you can marry anyone born a male.

U r completely missing the point.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

I don’t understand the question. If the medical certificate now says you were born a female then you can marry anyone born a male.

U r completely missing the point.

What is the point then? Could you rephrase it?

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

But if you had the sex change, then you were no longer male and I would think could marry a male without problem.

But no; I was born a male, with a male penis. No matter the op, I’m v a male.

What if the bloke I marry is hetro?

Don’t worry mate. I’ll support your quest to have your cock lopped off and marry a fella

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

I don’t understand the question. If the medical certificate now says you were born a female then you can marry anyone born a male.

U r completely missing the point.

What is the point then? Could you rephrase it?

No need. Read the op

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Although I’d be all for full disclosure :)

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Yes it is, very here. You can sew a tail on my ass, & feed me Chum. I’m still notb a dog.

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Yes it is, very here. You can sew a tail on my ass, & feed me Chum. I’m still notb a dog.

Are you currently courting a nice Thai girl?

• Yes it is, very here. You can sew a tail on my ass, & feed me Chum. I’m still notb a dog.

Be that as it may but the answer to your original question is “yes”…

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Although I’d be all for full disclosure :)

Same in that regard Sibeen but when does a person disclose their birth gender has been changed?

There was a discussion about this is our household the other day. My view was there could be personal risk to the person’s safety too early and then there is such a thing as too later. One person’s view was that you shouldn’t have to tell your partner at all.

I don’t agree if you are in a long term relationship or considering a marriage with them … then the partner should be told because otherwise the relationship foundation is not based on a truth.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Yes it is, very here. You can sew a tail on my ass, & feed me Chum. I’m still notb a dog.

Are you currently courting a nice Thai girl?

Now thats a good question

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Yes it is, very here. You can sew a tail on my ass, & feed me Chum. I’m still notb a dog.

For a person to be able to get a sex operation to change gender, they need to convince a number of people that in the case of a male, that they are in fact a woman in a man’s body. Not a male would wants a sex change for the sake of it.

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Although I’d be all for full disclosure :)

Same in that regard Sibeen but when does a person disclose their birth gender has been changed?

There was a discussion about this is our household the other day. My view was there could be personal risk to the person’s safety too early and then there is such a thing as too later. One person’s view was that you shouldn’t have to tell your partner at all.

I don’t agree if you are in a long term relationship or considering a marriage with them … then the partner should be told because otherwise the relationship foundation is not based on a truth.

There would probably just be a time where it felt right.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Yes it is, very here. You can sew a tail on my ass, & feed me Chum. I’m still notb a dog.

For a person to be able to get a sex operation to change gender, they need to convince a number of people that in the case of a male, that they are in fact a woman in a man’s body.

Yes, the lefty school principal & a surgeon

The_observer said:

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

You’ll have to take that up with your local member. Pardon the pun.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

Although I’d be all for full disclosure :)

Same in that regard Sibeen but when does a person disclose their birth gender has been changed?

There was a discussion about this is our household the other day. My view was there could be personal risk to the person’s safety too early and then there is such a thing as too later. One person’s view was that you shouldn’t have to tell your partner at all.

I don’t agree if you are in a long term relationship or considering a marriage with them … then the partner should be told because otherwise the relationship foundation is not based on a truth.

There would probably just be a time where it felt right.

Probably.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

I suspect you have an outdated view on this

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

But for a male to get the sex change they must have lived the life and consider themselves a woman, plus convince the medical authorities that they are in fact a woman in a man ‘s body. The sex operation is just correcting a genetic mix up.

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

Although I’d be all for full disclosure :)

Same in that regard Sibeen but when does a person disclose their birth gender has been changed?

There was a discussion about this is our household the other day. My view was there could be personal risk to the person’s safety too early and then there is such a thing as too later. One person’s view was that you shouldn’t have to tell your partner at all.

I don’t agree if you are in a long term relationship or considering a marriage with them … then the partner should be told because otherwise the relationship foundation is not based on a truth.

how does it feel when people don’t laugh at your jokes, sibeen? hmmmm.

ChrispenEvan said:

monkey skipper said:

sibeen said:

Although I’d be all for full disclosure :)

Same in that regard Sibeen but when does a person disclose their birth gender has been changed?

There was a discussion about this is our household the other day. My view was there could be personal risk to the person’s safety too early and then there is such a thing as too later. One person’s view was that you shouldn’t have to tell your partner at all.

I don’t agree if you are in a long term relationship or considering a marriage with them … then the partner should be told because otherwise the relationship foundation is not based on a truth.

how does it feel when people don’t laugh at your jokes, sibeen? hmmmm.

the humour was on topic and relevant

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

Or an operation for that matter

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

I suspect you have an outdated view on this

Yes, biology can be a pain

monkey skipper said:

ChrispenEvan said:

monkey skipper said:

Same in that regard Sibeen but when does a person disclose their birth gender has been changed?

There was a discussion about this is our household the other day. My view was there could be personal risk to the person’s safety too early and then there is such a thing as too later. One person’s view was that you shouldn’t have to tell your partner at all.

I don’t agree if you are in a long term relationship or considering a marriage with them … then the partner should be told because otherwise the relationship foundation is not based on a truth.

how does it feel when people don’t laugh at your jokes, sibeen? hmmmm.

the humour was on topic and relevant

So there!

BLOWS RASPBERRY

Not to worry observer, once the marriage laws in this country are changed it won’t make any difference one way or the other.

I’m sure you support the freedom of consenting adults to marry the partner of their choice.

The_observer said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

Or an operation for that matter

—

Look up Hermaphrodite.

In case anyone’s wondering, I’m not gay, but I have kissed a unit of undisclosed gender origin, who identified as semi masculine with indeterminate genitalia, only to be convinced that this identity was nothing more than a neo gothic adolescent socialist construct, only now wishing to be refered to as Kim Rainbow Lovechild.

Does that make sense?

The_observer said:

In case anyone’s wondering, I’m not gay, but I have kissed a unit of undisclosed gender origin, who identified as semi masculine with indeterminate genitalia, only to be convinced that this identity was nothing more than a neo gothic adolescent socialist construct, only now wishing to be refered to as Kim Rainbow Lovechild.

Does that make sense?

Kissing someone doesn’t mean you’re obliged to marry them, observer. You can relax.

sibeen said:

monkey skipper said:

ChrispenEvan said:

how does it feel when people don’t laugh at your jokes, sibeen? hmmmm.

the humour was on topic and relevant

So there!

BLOWS RASPBERRY

sigh. people don’t read what i write.

:-)

Bubblecar said:

The_observer said:

In case anyone’s wondering, I’m not gay, but I have kissed a unit of undisclosed gender origin, who identified as semi masculine with indeterminate genitalia, only to be convinced that this identity was nothing more than a neo gothic adolescent socialist construct, only now wishing to be refered to as Kim Rainbow Lovechild.

Does that make sense?

Kissing someone doesn’t mean you’re obliged to marry them, observer. You can relax.

FUCK

Why didn’t anyone tell me this about 17 years ago?

Bubblecar said:

Not to worry observer, once the marriage laws in this country are changed it won’t make any difference one way or the other.

I’m sure you support the freedom of consenting adults to marry the partner of their choice.

But how will I know the sex of the person I might marry?

Or is that just a intolerant bigoted capitalist construct, to ask?

Bubblecar said:

Not to worry observer, once the marriage laws in this country are changed it won’t make any difference one way or the other.

I’m sure you support the freedom of consenting adults to marry the partner of their choice.

But how will I know the sex of the person I might marry?

Or is that just a intolerant bigoted capitalist construct, to ask?

Bubblecar said:

The_observer said:

In case anyone’s wondering, I’m not gay, but I have kissed a unit of undisclosed gender origin, who identified as semi masculine with indeterminate genitalia, only to be convinced that this identity was nothing more than a neo gothic adolescent socialist construct, only now wishing to be refered to as Kim Rainbow Lovechild.

Does that make sense?

Kissing someone doesn’t mean you’re obliged to marry them, observer. You can relax.

Oh thank you jesus

The_observer said:

Bubblecar said:

Not to worry observer, once the marriage laws in this country are changed it won’t make any difference one way or the other.

I’m sure you support the freedom of consenting adults to marry the partner of their choice.

But how will I know the sex of the person I might marry?

Or is that just a intolerant bigoted capitalist construct, to ask?

Check for an Adam’s Appleandectomy scar.

The_observer said:

Bubblecar said:

Not to worry observer, once the marriage laws in this country are changed it won’t make any difference one way or the other.

I’m sure you support the freedom of consenting adults to marry the partner of their choice.

But how will I know the sex of the person I might marry?

Or is that just a intolerant bigoted capitalist construct, to ask?

Once you get your head up close you will see the surgical scars I guess.

The_observer said:

Bubblecar said:

Not to worry observer, once the marriage laws in this country are changed it won’t make any difference one way or the other.

I’m sure you support the freedom of consenting adults to marry the partner of their choice.

But how will I know the sex of the person I might marry?

Or is that just a intolerant bigoted capitalist construct, to ask?

You seem to be over thinking the situation Observer. Don’t worry, it will sort itself out and I’m sure you will be very happy.

The_observer said:

Bubblecar said:

Not to worry observer, once the marriage laws in this country are changed it won’t make any difference one way or the other.

I’m sure you support the freedom of consenting adults to marry the partner of their choice.

But how will I know the sex of the person I might marry?

Or is that just a intolerant bigoted capitalist construct, to ask?

No, go ahead, just ask them. The worst that can happen is that they might say “WTF?”

The_observer said:

Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

Mars has only one country on the whole planet, and it has no laws there yet.

“We’d been engaged for a year and on the eve of our wedding, he suddenly asks me what sex I am. And he calls himself “the observer”!”

Bubblecar said:

“We’d been engaged for a year and on the eve of our wedding, he suddenly asks me what sex I am. And he calls himself “the observer”!”

did Lol :)

Bubblecar said:

“We’d been engaged for a year and on the eve of our wedding, he suddenly asks me what sex I am. And he calls himself “the observer”!”

It was a technical question

• It was a technical question

Tell your prospective partner you were born female and see how they react…

furious said:

• It was a technical question

Tell your prospective partner you were born female and see how they react…

97% will flee

furious said:

• It was a technical question

Tell your prospective partner you were born female and see how they react…

First there will be fighting and then maybe some kissing.

The_observer said:

Bubblecar said:

“We’d been engaged for a year and on the eve of our wedding, he suddenly asks me what sex I am. And he calls himself “the observer”!”

It was a technical question

I know nothing about the legal situation. But I have to ask?

Why bother with marriage? Defacto relationships can be just as permanent, and are seen as equally valid by the tax office for instance. It doesn’t affect ownership laws or wills.

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

mollwollfumble said:

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

The Observer prefers it called a cult.

mollwollfumble said:

I know nothing about the legal situation. But I have to ask?

Why bother with marriage? Defacto relationships can be just as permanent, and are seen as equally valid by the tax office for instance. It doesn’t affect ownership laws or wills.

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

Does marriage for romantic reasons complicate things?

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

The Observer prefers it called a cult.

Oh yeh that’s what i said

mollwollfumble said:

I know nothing about the legal situation. But I have to ask?

Why bother with marriage? Defacto relationships can be just as permanent, and are seen as equally valid by the tax office for instance. It doesn’t affect ownership laws or wills.

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

only defacto relationships between opposite genders, and even then there is still some differences between defacto and married.

as for the beginning, changing your gender from m-f (in this example) is not just a matter of ‘lopping off your cock’ as someone so eloquently put it… it involves hormones and changes that makes you (in the manner of medical testing) female. Also, your birth certificate is a legal document, as such if it states that you are female (no matter what you are born) then for all legal transactions – you are female.

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

I know nothing about the legal situation. But I have to ask?

Why bother with marriage? Defacto relationships can be just as permanent, and are seen as equally valid by the tax office for instance. It doesn’t affect ownership laws or wills.

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

only defacto relationships between opposite genders, and even then there is still some differences between defacto and married.

as for the beginning, changing your gender from m-f (in this example) is not just a matter of ‘lopping off your cock’ as someone so eloquently put it… it involves hormones and changes that makes you (in the manner of medical testing) female. Also, your birth certificate is a legal document, as such if it states that you are female (no matter what you are born) then for all legal transactions – you are female.

So gay marriage is lefal in Oz already

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

I know nothing about the legal situation. But I have to ask?

Why bother with marriage? Defacto relationships can be just as permanent, and are seen as equally valid by the tax office for instance. It doesn’t affect ownership laws or wills.

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

only defacto relationships between opposite genders, and even then there is still some differences between defacto and married.

as for the beginning, changing your gender from m-f (in this example) is not just a matter of ‘lopping off your cock’ as someone so eloquently put it… it involves hormones and changes that makes you (in the manner of medical testing) female. Also, your birth certificate is a legal document, as such if it states that you are female (no matter what you are born) then for all legal transactions – you are female.

So gay marriage is legal in Oz already

The_observer said:

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

I know nothing about the legal situation. But I have to ask?

Why bother with marriage? Defacto relationships can be just as permanent, and are seen as equally valid by the tax office for instance. It doesn’t affect ownership laws or wills.

So would it be marriage for religious reasons?

only defacto relationships between opposite genders, and even then there is still some differences between defacto and married.

as for the beginning, changing your gender from m-f (in this example) is not just a matter of ‘lopping off your cock’ as someone so eloquently put it… it involves hormones and changes that makes you (in the manner of medical testing) female. Also, your birth certificate is a legal document, as such if it states that you are female (no matter what you are born) then for all legal transactions – you are female.

So gay marriage is lefal in Oz already

no, heterosexual marriage is…

Arts said:

The_observer said:

Arts said:

only defacto relationships between opposite genders, and even then there is still some differences between defacto and married.

as for the beginning, changing your gender from m-f (in this example) is not just a matter of ‘lopping off your cock’ as someone so eloquently put it… it involves hormones and changes that makes you (in the manner of medical testing) female. Also, your birth certificate is a legal document, as such if it states that you are female (no matter what you are born) then for all legal transactions – you are female.

So gay marriage is lefal in Oz already

no, heterosexual marriage is…

Two units born male, marry= marriage equality

Tau.Neutrino said:

The_observer said:

Ok, so I’m born a male. I have a complete up to date medical sex change. I have my birth cert changed to state I was born female.

Is there any country on this planet, where gay marriage is illegal, that I can legally marry a person born male?

Mars has only one country on the whole planet, and it has no laws there yet.

Mars is full of men though. They would not have this problem.

The_observer said:

Arts said:

The_observer said:

So gay marriage is lefal in Oz already

no, heterosexual marriage is…

Two units born male, marry= marriage equality

but in a legal sense they are not two born males, they are one male and one female. Your birth certificate is a legal document and what it states is legally binding.

Let’s leave aside the fact that I don’t think you can legally change your birth certificate… I can show up to my wedding dressed as a five legged donkey with a chicken taped to my back.. as long as the celebrant has cited my legal document (birth certificate) and it says I am ‘female’.. that’s what they have to go with. So, in your extremely unlikely scenario – as long as the legal document says female and the person you are marrying says male then the marriage is legally binding.
For now….

Two units born male, marry= marriage equality

—-

There may be arguments about who does the mowing and who changes the nappies.

Now, because China had a one child policy, most female babies murdered. Now china has plenty young men, no girls.

Easy fix; sex change.

Wait on.??? No unit born a male has ever died giving birth.

No.

No way I’d marry you even with a thousand cuts.

As for gay marriage; I’ve never seen a gay marriage.

roughbarked said:

No.

No way I’d marry you even with a thousand cuts.

The intoletance & hatred is deep

roughbarked said:

No.

No way I’d marry you even with a thousand cuts.

As for gay marriage; I’ve never seen a gay marriage.

56 percent divorce rate.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

No.

No way I’d marry you even with a thousand cuts.

The intoletance & hatred is deep

It isn’t intolerance or hatred. I just could find no reason to marry with you. Square peg/round hole.

This thread is stupid.

Sexual diversity is usually genetic.

Sexual discrimination is usually religious.

Religious politicians punish and abuse the rights of the minority who are born that way.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

No.

No way I’d marry you even with a thousand cuts.

The intoletance & hatred is deep

It isn’t intolerance or hatred. I just could find no reason to marry with you. Square peg/round hole.

you have a square peg??

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

No.

No way I’d marry you even with a thousand cuts.

The intoletance & hatred is deep

It isn’t intolerance or hatred. I just could find no reason to marry with you. Square peg/round hole.

I never proposed

kii said:

This thread is stupid.

we like to troll TO :)

kii said:

This thread is stupid.

It’s not even annoyingly st00pid.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

The intoletance & hatred is deep

It isn’t intolerance or hatred. I just could find no reason to marry with you. Square peg/round hole.

you have a square peg??

Yes, & apparently detachable

I’d advise the observer to try Tinder or Grindr or suchlike.

Most posters here are either already married or confirmed bachelors.

Or party_pants who’s looking for a lady friend.

Bubblecar said:

I’d advise the observer to try Tinder or Grindr or suchlike.

Most posters here are either already married or confirmed bachelors.

Or party_pants who’s looking for a lady friend.

I’m happy to take my chances with Tinder.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

The intoletance & hatred is deep

It isn’t intolerance or hatred. I just could find no reason to marry with you. Square peg/round hole.

I never proposed

You posed the question.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I’d advise the observer to try Tinder or Grindr or suchlike.

Most posters here are either already married or confirmed bachelors.

Or party_pants who’s looking for a lady friend.

I’m happy to take my chances with Tinder.

I’m married with two adult children.
I posed a question; I havent proposed a question

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

It isn’t intolerance or hatred. I just could find no reason to marry with you. Square peg/round hole.

I never proposed

You posed the question.

Exactly

Tau.Neutrino said:

Fuck off

> the operation<

There are indeed more like a thousand cuts.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I’d advise the observer to try Tinder or Grindr or suchlike.

Most posters here are either already married or confirmed bachelors.

Or party_pants who’s looking for a lady friend.

I’m happy to take my chances with Tinder.

I’m married with two adult children.
I posed a question; I havent proposed a question

So you aren’t even qualified?

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

I’d advise the observer to try Tinder or Grindr or suchlike.

Most posters here are either already married or confirmed bachelors.

Or party_pants who’s looking for a lady friend.

I’m happy to take my chances with Tinder.

I’m married with two adult children.

I’d swipe left on that anyway. Our paths need never cross.

Tau.Neutrino said:

You dont have to take part. Stop attempting to influence others you intoletant arrogant non unit.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

I’m happy to take my chances with Tinder.

I’m married with two adult children.
I posed a question; I havent proposed a question

So you aren’t even qualified?

More tgan you.

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

I’m happy to take my chances with Tinder.

I’m married with two adult children.

I’d swipe left on that anyway. Our paths need never cross.

I can only hope so

Now listen. Punishing people for their genetics is rather silly.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

I’m married with two adult children.

I’d swipe left on that anyway. Our paths need never cross.

I can only hope so

I am not that desperate yet :)

The_observer said:

You dont have to take part. Stop attempting to influence others you intoletant arrogant non unit.

So then what is your real reasoning behind this?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Now listen. Punishing people for their genetics is rather silly.

I’ll leave now too, since the other adults have departed.

Nighty nite kiddies

The_observer said:

I’ll leave now

There is a God.

The_observer said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Now listen. Punishing people for their genetics is rather silly.

I’ll leave now too, since the other adults have departed.

Nighty nite kiddies

Off you go!

Tau.Neutrino said:

thank you Darling.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I’ll leave now

There is a God.

Try putting into words your argument rough. Insults & name calling are all your good for it seems.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I’ll leave now

There is a God.

Try putting into words your argument rough. Insults & name calling are all your good for it seems.

Oh come on. You have no concern for others. Why should we show any respect?

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

There is a God.

Try putting into words your argument rough. Insults & name calling are all your good for it seems.

Oh come on. You have no concern for others. Why should we show any respect?

I’m not asking for any. But keep in mind: if name calling from pathetic grotty little imps like you bothered me, do you think i would partake here!

Carry on

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Try putting into words your argument rough. Insults & name calling are all your good for it seems.

Oh come on. You have no concern for others. Why should we show any respect?

I do mean that you actually beg to be called a fuckwit and then play this game?
I’m not asking for any. But keep in mind: if name calling from pathetic grotty little imps like you bothered me, do you think i would partake here!

Carry on

Q: Why did the watchmakers wife leave him?

A: “because all he was good for was holding hands”!

The_observer said:

Q: Why did the watchmakers wife leave him?

A: “because all he was good for was holding hands”!

She’s actually still with him because he could poise a balance.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Q: Why did the watchmakers wife leave him?

A: “because all he was good for was holding hands”!

She’s actually still with him because he could poise a balance.

but…when she was ticked off..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JksP1Kc6fjo

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Q: Why did the watchmakers wife leave him?

A: “because all he was good for was holding hands”!

She’s actually still with him because he could poise a balance.

but…when she was ticked off..

He told her she was out of beat and needed regulating.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

For the purposes of marriage in Australia at this time what matters is that it be between a man and a woman. Whether one of the participants has legally changed their sex is neither here nor there.

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

tauto said:

The_observer said:

The_observer said:

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

Or an operation for that matter

—

Look up Hermaphrodite.

I believe the PC term is Intersex.

Divine Angel said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

But the male who has changed their sex is legally no longer a male. She is female, not a transvestite or a drag queen.

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

The_observer said:

Divine Angel said:

The_observer said:

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

Legally you would be the opposite sex but genetically the sex you were born as, you obviously couldn’t have children so would need to explain this to a partner. Medically as a women that became a man you still have all the internal plumbing so could get women specific diseases

The_observer said:

Divine Angel said:

The_observer said:

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

You’re so black and white about this subject.

The_observer said:

Divine Angel said:

The_observer said:

Legally? Do you understand the biological difference between male & female cannot be changed by a document?

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

there are lots of woman that were born biologically female and don’t have a uterus.

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

Divine Angel said:

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

Legally you would be the opposite sex but genetically the sex you were born as, you obviously couldn’t have children so would need to explain this to a partner. Medically as a women that became a man you still have all the internal plumbing so could get women specific diseases

You could harvest eggs/semen before the operation freeze them and use them a later date with a donor egg/semen

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

Divine Angel said:

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

Legally you would be the opposite sex but genetically the sex you were born as, you obviously couldn’t have children so would need to explain this to a partner. Medically as a women that became a man you still have all the internal plumbing so could get women specific diseases

If a sex changed unit has a birth cert change to the opposite of the gender that unit was born, are they under any legal obligation to inform their prospective marital partner that they were infact born the opposite sex to which they now identify?

kii said:

The_observer said:

Divine Angel said:

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

You’re so black and white about this subject.

Not at all. You on the other hand are a fatality of gender fluidity brainwashing.

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

Divine Angel said:

If you identify as female and have the paperwork to prove it i.e. a changed birth certificate, then for all intents and purposes you are a female. I think it is you who is missing the point. I also think you don’t actually understand how transgender works.

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

there are lots of woman that were born biologically female and don’t have a uterus.

Lots you say

The_observer said:

kii said:

The_observer said:

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

You’re so black and white about this subject.

Not at all. You on the other hand are a fatality of gender fluidity brainwashing.

In the bigger scheme of life does it matter if someone has a sex change and identifies as the opposite sex to which they were born.
Surely accepting it shows a maturity by the human race that difference is OK

The_observer said:

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

there are lots of woman that were born biologically female and don’t have a uterus.

Lots you say

That’s correct, lots…

Rates of hysterectomies vary from country to country, and it should be said that they are lowering (largely as a result of more successful cancer treatments), but generally speaking 1 in 5 woman (in the most developed countries) will have had a partial, or full, hysterectomy by the age of 55.

About the only thing that perhaps should be recognised is if it gives them a physical advantage in a sport, a man becomes a women but has a physical body mass that gives them an advantage over other women.

>>> In the bigger scheme of life does it matter if someone has a sex change and identifies as the opposite sex to which they were born.<<<

I don’t care, but they should be legally obligated to infrom a prospective marital partner of the sex they were originally born.

>>>>>>>Surely accepting it shows a maturity by the human race that difference is OK<<<<<<<<<

I’m proudly different to almost everyone here, but I don’t recieve much matruity by some for it, which is fine.

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

diddly-squat said:

there are lots of woman that were born biologically female and don’t have a uterus.

Lots you say

That’s correct, lots…

Rates of hysterectomies vary from country to country, and it should be said that they are lowering (largely as a result of more successful cancer treatments), but generally speaking 1 in 5 woman (in the most developed countries) will have had a partial, or full, hysterectomy by the age of 55.

Transitioning from female-to-male

Main article: Sex reassignment surgery female-to-male

Hysterectomies with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy are often performed either prior to or as a part of sex reassignment surgery for trans men. Some in the FTM community prefer to have this operation along with hormone replacement therapy in the early stages of their gender transition to avoid complications from heavy testosterone use while still having female-hormone-producing organs in place (e.g. uterine cancer and hormonally induced coronary artery disease) or to remove as many sources of female sex hormones as possible in order to better “pass” during the real life experience portion of their transition. Just as many, however, prefer to wait until they have full “bottom surgery” (removal of female sexual organs and construction of male-appearing external anatomy) to avoid undergoing multiple separate operations.

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

diddly-squat said:

there are lots of woman that were born biologically female and don’t have a uterus.

Lots you say

That’s correct, lots…

Rates of hysterectomies vary from country to country, and it should be said that they are lowering (largely as a result of more successful cancer treatments), but generally speaking 1 in 5 woman (in the most developed countries) will have had a partial, or full, hysterectomy by the age of 55.

so you’re saying that just because a woman has had her uterus removed, that does not make her a man.

OK, lets extrapolate on that. Just because she also has her breasts removed, a “male” penis attached, & goes through male hormone treatrment, that doesn’t make her a mane either.

Cymek said:

About the only thing that perhaps should be recognised is if it gives them a physical advantage in a sport, a man becomes a women but has a physical body mass that gives them an advantage over other women.

a unit of either sex, that has undertaken a sex change, should be excluded from professional & semi-professional sport.

The_observer said:

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

Lots you say

That’s correct, lots…

Rates of hysterectomies vary from country to country, and it should be said that they are lowering (largely as a result of more successful cancer treatments), but generally speaking 1 in 5 woman (in the most developed countries) will have had a partial, or full, hysterectomy by the age of 55.

so you’re saying that just because a woman has had her uterus removed, that does not make her a man.

OK, lets extrapolate on that. Just because she also has her breasts removed, a “male” penis attached, & goes through male hormone treatrment, that doesn’t make her a mane either.

ummm no…

you said and I quote

The_observer said:

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

My point was merely that you can be a woman and not have a uterus…

The_observer said:

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

Lots you say

That’s correct, lots…

Rates of hysterectomies vary from country to country, and it should be said that they are lowering (largely as a result of more successful cancer treatments), but generally speaking 1 in 5 woman (in the most developed countries) will have had a partial, or full, hysterectomy by the age of 55.

so you’re saying that just because a woman has had her uterus removed, that does not make her a man.

OK, lets extrapolate on that. Just because she also has her breasts removed, a “male” penis attached, & goes through male hormone treatrment, that doesn’t make her a mane either.

Genetically she would be a women with XX chromosomes but physically would resemble a man more than a women.

Are they a women or a man ?

Many university campuses in Western nations are refusing to perform the twenty year old, feminist play, The Vagina Monologues, because, they say, its grotesque, bigoted, gender phobic & politically incorrect, due to its suggestion that you have to have a vagina to identify as a woman.

OMG children.

quote; – “ Although members of American University’s Women’s Initiative believe that the show was revolutionary in the 1990s, they concluded that equating having a vagina with being a woman is not an accurate display of womanhood today, suggesting that The Vagina Monologues continues to perpetuate the gender binary and erase the identity of those who are genderqueer.

These people must live their lives in a social media forum.

• Are they a women or a man ?

Are they a woman or a man?

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

diddly-squat said:

so you’re saying that just because a woman has had her uterus removed, that does not make her a man.

OK, lets extrapolate on that. Just because she also has her breasts removed, a “male” penis attached, & goes through male hormone treatrment, that doesn’t make her a mane either.

ummm no…

you said and I quote

The_observer said:

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

My point was merely that you can be a woman and not have a uterus…

Yes boys are born with a penis

girls are born with a uterus

fixed.

Cymek said:

Are they a women or a man ?

a cartoon

“The Vagina Monologues continues to perpetuate the gender binary”

the bastard

The_observer said:

Many university campuses in Western nations are refusing to perform the twenty year old, feminist play, The Vagina Monologues, because, they say, its grotesque, bigoted, gender phobic & politically incorrect, due to its suggestion that you have to have a vagina to identify as a woman.

OMG children.

quote; – “ Although members of American University’s Women’s Initiative believe that the show was revolutionary in the 1990s, they concluded that equating having a vagina with being a woman is not an accurate display of womanhood today, suggesting that The Vagina Monologues continues to perpetuate the gender binary and erase the identity of those who are genderqueer.

These people must live their lives in a social media forum.

“In 2015 a student organization at Mount Holyoke College canceled its annual performance of the play for being, in its opinion, insufficiently inclusive of transgender people. “At its core”, Erin Murphy, the president of the school’s theater group, said, “the show offers an extremely narrow perspective on what it means to be a woman … Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions, and many of us who have participated in the show have grown increasingly uncomfortable presenting material that is inherently reductionist and exclusive.” The traditionally all-female college had begun admitting students who identified as female the previous year, but the college denied that had anything to do with the decision to discontinue the annual performances of the play”

Create a concept & reality leaves the campus.

>>>Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions<<<<

I bet more than 98% of the natural sciences community disagree with that statement.

The_observer said:

>>>Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions<<<<

I bet more than 98% of the natural sciences community disagree with that statement.

How much do you want to put on it?

The_observer said:

diddly-squat said:

The_observer said:

Lots you say

That’s correct, lots…

Rates of hysterectomies vary from country to country, and it should be said that they are lowering (largely as a result of more successful cancer treatments), but generally speaking 1 in 5 woman (in the most developed countries) will have had a partial, or full, hysterectomy by the age of 55.

so you’re saying that just because a woman has had her uterus removed, that does not make her a man.

OK, lets extrapolate on that. Just because she also has her breasts removed, a “male” penis attached, & goes through male hormone treatrment, that doesn’t make her a mane either.

Nobody mentioned her mane.

and where is this supply of penises to attach?

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

About the only thing that perhaps should be recognised is if it gives them a physical advantage in a sport, a man becomes a women but has a physical body mass that gives them an advantage over other women.

a unit of either sex, that has undertaken a sex change, should be excluded from professional & semi-professional sport.

I’m reasonably sure that they didn’t do it to become an olympic champion.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

About the only thing that perhaps should be recognised is if it gives them a physical advantage in a sport, a man becomes a women but has a physical body mass that gives them an advantage over other women.

a unit of either sex, that has undertaken a sex change, should be excluded from professional & semi-professional sport.

I’m reasonably sure that they didn’t do it to become an olympic champion.

No but it vaguely remember it being mentioned

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

>>>Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions<<<<

I bet more than 98% of the natural sciences community disagree with that statement.

How much do you want to put on it?

sorry mate, the science is settled. There’s a concensus, going forward, based on the physical science.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

a unit of either sex, that has undertaken a sex change, should be excluded from professional & semi-professional sport.

I’m reasonably sure that they didn’t do it to become an olympic champion.

No but it vaguely remember it being mentioned

Mostly this would be about hormones.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

I’m reasonably sure that they didn’t do it to become an olympic champion.

No but it vaguely remember it being mentioned

Mostly this would be about hormones.

It might possibly be negated with hormone therapy anyway

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

>>>Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions<<<<

I bet more than 98% of the natural sciences community disagree with that statement.

How much do you want to put on it?

sorry mate, the science is settled. There’s a concensus, going forward, based on the physical science.

Why suggest a wager? Why not display your references?

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

>>>Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions<<<<

I bet more than 98% of the natural sciences community disagree with that statement.

How much do you want to put on it?

sorry mate, the science is settled. There’s a concensus, going forward, based on the physical science.

gender is an identity concept, not a physiological one

The_observer said:

kii said:

The_observer said:

Boys have a penis.

Girls have a uterus.

You’re so black and white about this subject.

Not at all. You on the other hand are a fatality of gender fluidity brainwashing.

Hmmm…I was once called “an active stumbling block”. Is that anything like it?

kii said:

The_observer said:

kii said:

You’re so black and white about this subject.

Not at all. You on the other hand are a fatality of gender fluidity brainwashing.

Hmmm…I was once called “an active stumbling block”. Is that anything like it?

:)

kii said:

The_observer said:

kii said:

You’re so black and white about this subject.

Not at all. You on the other hand are a fatality of gender fluidity brainwashing.

Hmmm…I was once called “an active stumbling block”. Is that anything like it?

Not sure anyone has been brainwashed I imagine most ? people would just accept it as part of life and move on.
Some people might have an agenda but thast the case with everything

• gender is an identity concept, not a physiological one

The interpretation of the word gender has appeared to change over time…

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

How much do you want to put on it?

sorry mate, the science is settled. There’s a concensus, going forward, based on the physical science.

Why suggest a wager? Why not display your references?

So a partly decomposed body is found. First they do an autopsy, & based on the science of anatomy, biology, genetics & every other science, excluding the social engineering so called sciences, they determin the sex of the cadaver.

And only after that, can Bob, the cadaver, be exposed as Belinda, the former university campus gender fluidity counciler
.

gender is an identity concept, not a physiological one

Creat a concept & reality leaves the room

kii said:

The_observer said:

kii said:

You’re so black and white about this subject.

Not at all. You on the other hand are a fatality of gender fluidity brainwashing.

Hmmm…I was once called “an active stumbling block”. Is that anything like it?

I doubt self labeling means much

The_observer said:

gender is an identity concept, not a physiological one

Creat a concept & reality leaves the room

Look up intersex T_O. Some people are born with ambiguous inner and outer genitalia and have to choose which gender, if any, they identify with.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

gender is an identity concept, not a physiological one

Creat a concept & reality leaves the room

Look up intersex T_O. Some people are born with ambiguous inner and outer genitalia and have to choose which gender, if any, they identify with.

Yes these people don’t fit the gender binary category the vast majority of us do. And so that fact excludes them from the topic of discussion taking place on this thread.

Feel free to start a new thread discussing that aspect of human anatomy

Gender identity issues wouldn’t be a new thing I imagine they have existed for thousands of years, its only now we can redesign the body to match the internal feelings/identity.

Cymek said:

Gender identity issues wouldn’t be a new thing I imagine they have existed for thousands of years, its only now we can redesign the body to match the internal feelings/identity.

Transexuals have long had a role to play in many traditional societies around the world where they have been treated as more or less a third sex.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Cymek said:

Gender identity issues wouldn’t be a new thing I imagine they have existed for thousands of years, its only now we can redesign the body to match the internal feelings/identity.

Transexuals have long had a role to play in many traditional societies around the world where they have been treated as more or less a third sex.

Yes that what I thought as well, possibly more accepted back then than now.

• Yes that what I thought as well, possibly more accepted back then than now.

Plenty of things were accepted “back then” that aren’t accepted now…

furious said:

• Yes that what I thought as well, possibly more accepted back then than now.

Plenty of things were accepted “back then” that aren’t accepted now…

Yes back then is rather arbitrary

I reckon the Observer went to a party and found himself the only male there. After agreeing to be bound and gagged, he discovered it was really a tranny get together.

PermeateFree said:

I reckon the Observer went to a party and found himself the only male there. After agreeing to be bound and gagged, he discovered it was really a tranny get together.

The annual Sausage Festival should have been a dead give away

bump

Peak Warming Man said:

bump

grind

PermeateFree said:

I reckon the Observer went to a party and found himself the only male there. After agreeing to be bound and gagged, he discovered it was really a tranny get together.

My point here is that any person changing their sex, both physically artificially, & legally, via birth cert, should be compelled by law to make those facts plainly known to any prospective marital partner, AND, every person they have sex with, prior to the act. In the latter, if this is not abided by, they should be charged with sexual assult, & / or rape.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

I reckon the Observer went to a party and found himself the only male there. After agreeing to be bound and gagged, he discovered it was really a tranny get together.

My point here is that any person changing their sex, both physically artificially, & legally, via birth cert, should be compelled by law to make those facts plainly known to any prospective marital partner, AND, every person they have sex with, prior to the act. In the latter, if this is not abided by, they should be charged with sexual assult, & / or rape.

I would say you have a very strong case.

Whats the opposite of she males?

Here’s A Glimpse Into The Dual Lives of Indian Cross Dressers

http://www.indiatimes.com/lifestyle/gents-or-ladies-here-s-a-glimpse-into-the-dual-lives-of-indian-cross-dressers-323351.html

Tau.Neutrino said:

Whats the opposite of she males?

This guy ?

Peak Warming Man said:

bump

Keep asking as long as you want PWM.

The answers still no.

went to the RAAFA air museum today. Gave them a thumb drive of that transmitter I have. they want it. so it’s going to a good home. and off my work bench.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

I reckon the Observer went to a party and found himself the only male there. After agreeing to be bound and gagged, he discovered it was really a tranny get together.

My point here is that any person changing their sex, both physically artificially, & legally, via birth cert, should be compelled by law to make those facts plainly known to any prospective marital partner, AND, every person they have sex with, prior to the act. In the latter, if this is not abided by, they should be charged with sexual assult, & / or rape.

Well, I’m sure that this problem has never arisen and it is mind boggling that you are going there.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

I reckon the Observer went to a party and found himself the only male there. After agreeing to be bound and gagged, he discovered it was really a tranny get together.

My point here is that any person changing their sex, both physically artificially, & legally, via birth cert, should be compelled by law to make those facts plainly known to any prospective marital partner, AND, every person they have sex with, prior to the act. In the latter, if this is not abided by, they should be charged with sexual assult, & / or rape.

Well, I’m sure that this problem has never arisen and it is mind boggling that you are going there.

Hey have you ever tried
Really reaching out for the other side?
I may be climbing on rainbows
But baby, here goes
Dreams are for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if you’re wondering what this song is leading to,
I want to make it with you
I really think that we could make it, girl
Though you don’t know me well
And every little thing only time will tell
If you believe the things that I do,
And we’ll see it through
Life can be short or long
Love can be right or wrong
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

I really think that we could make it, girl
Baby you know that dreams there for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

My point here is that any person changing their sex, both physically artificially, & legally, via birth cert, should be compelled by law to make those facts plainly known to any prospective marital partner, AND, every person they have sex with, prior to the act. In the latter, if this is not abided by, they should be charged with sexual assult, & / or rape.

Well, I’m sure that this problem has never arisen and it is mind boggling that you are going there.

Hey have you ever tried
Really reaching out for the other side?
I may be climbing on rainbows
But baby, here goes
Dreams are for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if you’re wondering what this song is leading to,
I want to make it with you
I really think that we could make it, girl
Though you don’t know me well
And every little thing only time will tell
If you believe the things that I do,
And we’ll see it through
Life can be short or long
Love can be right or wrong
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

I really think that we could make it, girl
Baby you know that dreams there for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

Is this what transgender porn does to you?

There was something controversial brought up about condoms and rape. Apparently there have been instances where a person has asked a person to change positions and during this action the male has removed a condom and then continued to have sex with the person. They are trying to determine if this act constitutes rape because the person did not consent to unsafe sex and therefore there is a problem that the legal system has to rangle with now.

Apparently this happens more than people formally report.

The_observer said:

My point here is that any person changing their sex, both physically artificially, & legally, via birth cert, should be compelled by law to make those facts plainly known to any prospective marital partner, AND, every person they have sex with, prior to the act. In the latter, if this is not abided by, they should be charged with sexual assult, & / or rape.

The_observer said:

My point here is that any person changing their sex, both physically artificially, & legally, via birth cert, should be compelled by law to make those facts plainly known to any prospective marital partner, AND, every person they have sex with, prior to the act. In the latter, if this is not abided by, they should be charged with sexual assult, & / or rape.

There’s an easy way to deal with this.

We just make them wear a pink triangle. Or a yellow star. Or whatever.

monkey skipper said:

There was something controversial brought up about condoms and rape. Apparently there have been instances where a person has asked a person to change positions and during this action the male has removed a condom and then continued to have sex with the person. They are trying to determine if this act constitutes rape because the person did not consent to unsafe sex and therefore there is a problem that the legal system has to rangle with now.

Apparently this happens more than people formally report.

I think this sort of thing was the basis of the allegations against Julian Assange in Sweden.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

There was something controversial brought up about condoms and rape. Apparently there have been instances where a person has asked a person to change positions and during this action the male has removed a condom and then continued to have sex with the person. They are trying to determine if this act constitutes rape because the person did not consent to unsafe sex and therefore there is a problem that the legal system has to rangle with now.

Apparently this happens more than people formally report.

I think this sort of thing was the basis of the allegations against Julian Assange in Sweden.

I think this is a valid area of investigation.

Another conundrum. I asked a law student doing the barr or whatever about this hypothetical.

the hypothetical goes like this:

If identical twins sleep with each other’s girl friends without telling their girlfriends that they swapped. Is that rape. He said , yes and conspiracy to commit sexual assault.

Again the person may have agreed to have sex but not with the actual person.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

Well, I’m sure that this problem has never arisen and it is mind boggling that you are going there.

Hey have you ever tried
Really reaching out for the other side?
I may be climbing on rainbows
But baby, here goes
Dreams are for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if you’re wondering what this song is leading to,
I want to make it with you
I really think that we could make it, girl
Though you don’t know me well
And every little thing only time will tell
If you believe the things that I do,
And we’ll see it through
Life can be short or long
Love can be right or wrong
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

I really think that we could make it, girl
Baby you know that dreams there for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

Is this what transgender porn does to you?

Don’t ask, pf, what transgender porn can do for you,

ask what you can do for transgender porn.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Hey have you ever tried
Really reaching out for the other side?
I may be climbing on rainbows
But baby, here goes
Dreams are for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if you’re wondering what this song is leading to,
I want to make it with you
I really think that we could make it, girl
Though you don’t know me well
And every little thing only time will tell
If you believe the things that I do,
And we’ll see it through
Life can be short or long
Love can be right or wrong
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

I really think that we could make it, girl
Baby you know that dreams there for those who sleep
Life is for us to keep
And if I chose the one I’d like to help me through
I’d like to make it with you

Is this what transgender porn does to you?

Don’t ask, pf, what transgender porn can do for you,

ask what you can do for transgender porn.

The force is with you my son.