Census results: Australians are older, ethnically diverse and losing their religion

Australia is older, more ethnically diverse and less religious than ever before, according to the 2016 census results released today.

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In the 30 years I have been in Tasmania there is an increase of 20k in population. Sydney has doubled. People get paid a lot more in Sydney. Tasmanians leave school and go there to make money. Only some come back. It’s happened for the longest time.

Feedback to the Mercury news blames the Greens.

Census 2016: This is Australia as 100 people

If Australia were just 100 people, what would it look like? New census data gives us an opportunity to find out, and provides some surprising insights into the state of the nation.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-27/census-australia-as-100-people/8634318

I find nothing surprising in here

Arts said:

I find nothing surprising in here

not even the figures that said that 94% of respondents thought that Boris jokes were funny?

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

I find nothing surprising in here

not even the figures that said that 94% of respondents thought that Boris jokes were funny?

94% of five isn’t that many.

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

I find nothing surprising in here

not even the figures that said that 94% of respondents thought that Boris jokes were funny?

We know respondent lie sometimes.

Some people are getting into a panic that Islam has grown slightly since the last Census.

• not even the figures that said that 94% of respondents thought that Boris jokes were funny?

Census 2016 results are out, but can we trust the data?

3. False and nonsensical answers

“Some people respond to census questions with false or nonsensical answers.”

Arts said:

I find nothing surprising in here

A normal census then?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

I find nothing surprising in here

A normal census then?

A census is really only a comparative tool. To look at trends that have occurred over any time period. In that respect the results are unsurprising.

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Arts said:

I find nothing surprising in here

A normal census then?

A census is really only a comparative tool. To look at trends that have occurred over any time period. In that respect the results are unsurprising.

Except for the Boris anomaly but that’s probably just an outlier from a political climate response.

Arts said:

Arts said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

A normal census then?

A census is really only a comparative tool. To look at trends that have occurred over any time period. In that respect the results are unsurprising.

Except for the Boris anomaly but that’s probably just an outlier from a political climate response.

It wouldn’t be a huge driver of public policy anyway.

For me the most surprising thing was that more overseas-born people are from Asia than Europe.

Here’s a Nat Geo article to go with it

poikilotherm said:

Here’s a Nat Geo article to go with it

Great article and pic. Thanks.

Arts said:

I find nothing surprising in here

That’s because the census asked ALL the wrong questions. After the census I started writing a redesign that would have yielded at least some useful information.

As an devil’s advocate example, I would have liked it to ask “do you have a transmissible disease”? The results from that would be valuable information for health care.

party_pants said:

Some people are getting into a panic that Islam has grown slightly since the last Census.

Maybe you should have a look at some news concerning European & Scandinavian countries from an outlet other than the ABC & Fairfax. You may reevaluate your opinions & become less sarcastic

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

Some people are getting into a panic that Islam has grown slightly since the last Census.

Maybe you should have a look at some news concerning European & Scandinavian countries from an outlet other than the ABC & Fairfax. You may reevaluate your opinions & become less sarcastic

Does The Guardian count?

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded. With the figures showing that migrants to this country often come from places in Asia with China, India, Vietnam and The Philippines being the most popular, I would expect “other” religions like Hinduism and Buddhism would be the growth religions, and the Census figures over the last generation (from 1991 onwards) certainly bear that out, these religions have grown faster than Islam.

party_pants said:

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded.

Bollards say that you are wrong.

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded.

Bollards say that you are wrong.

LOL. slight disconnect there.

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded.

Bollards say that you are wrong.

Nup, bollards just say that some people are alarmed about it.

buffy said:

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded.

Bollards say that you are wrong.

Nup, bollards just say that some people are alarmed about it.

Yep. Or making political points and faking the concern.

Former PM Tony Abbott has today joined other conservative minor party politicians in accusing the Australian Bureau of Statistics of driving a ‘leftie’ bias agenda – after a record number of people who claim “no religion” has overtaken Catholics in the 2016 Census Results.

The most recent results show that “no religion” rose from 22.6 per cent to 29.6 per cent — nearly double the 16 per cent in 2001. These new numbers clash with the modern conservatives interpretation of Australia, especially the results that suggest those identifying as Catholic dropped from 25.3 per cent to 22.6 per cent.

“The ABS is just forcing their leftie agenda down everyones throats” said Australian Conservatives leader Cory Bernardi.

“They are trying to say that our Christian nation is increasingly not-Christian. What’s next? These lefties will want to ban Christmas”

“Or ban the cane from schools”

Islam (2.6 per cent) and Buddhism (2.4 per cent) were the next most common religions reported, proving that modern Australian political populism may be a little bit off when it comes to their fear-mongering warnings about the rise of Islam.

“Islam has pretty much grown with the population” says one statistician.

“I don’t think we have seen much of a growth since last census. Put it this way, there are more people in this country that identify as transgender than there are that identify as Muslim”

“I think everyone needs to calm the fuck down. Islams represents a very small minority when it comes to belief systems”

Christian orders who can see the writing on the wall when it comes to the decline of tax-free collection plates, also made headlines last year to encourage people to list themselves as ‘Christian’ instead of Atheist to avoid Islam being listed as our number one religion.

Unfortunately there fear campaign was also proven false as ‘No Religion’ is now listed as Australia’s most popular religion. Which technically means we are a No Religion nation.

B E Toota

buffy said:

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded.

Bollards say that you are wrong.

Nup, bollards just say that some people are alarmed about it.

Those people include people who know about these things. Plus there is evidence of intent, capability is still a work in progress.

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

Some people are getting into a panic that Islam has grown slightly since the last Census.

Maybe you should have a look at some news concerning European & Scandinavian countries from an outlet other than the ABC & Fairfax. You may reevaluate your opinions & become less sarcastic

Does The Guardian count?

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded. With the figures showing that migrants to this country often come from places in Asia with China, India, Vietnam and The Philippines being the most popular, I would expect “other” religions like Hinduism and Buddhism would be the growth religions, and the Census figures over the last generation (from 1991 onwards) certainly bear that out, these religions have grown faster than Islam.

Most Chinese are atheists.

AwesomeO said:

buffy said:

AwesomeO said:

Bollards say that you are wrong.

Nup, bollards just say that some people are alarmed about it.

Those people include people who know about these things. Plus there is evidence of intent, capability is still a work in progress.

A more interesting question is with Australia being a western nation that has been allied with the great Satan, with plots been uncovered and people in supermax, with evidence from overseas including an attack in Bali that targeted Australians that people can deny that a threat exists.

Threat equals capability and intent.

Bubblecar said:

Most Chinese are atheists.

Communist repression of religion ended quite some time ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

Most Chinese are atheists.

Communist repression of religion ended quite some time ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China

According to a 2012 Gallup poll, 47% of Chinese people were convinced atheists, and a further 30% were not religious. In comparison, only 14% considered themselves to be religious. More recently, a 2015 Gallup poll found the number of convinced atheists in China to be 61%, with a further 29% saying that they are not religious compared to just 7% who are religious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

Most Chinese are atheists.

Communist repression of religion ended quite some time ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China

According to a 2012 Gallup poll, 47% of Chinese people were convinced atheists, and a further 30% were not religious. In comparison, only 14% considered themselves to be religious. More recently, a 2015 Gallup poll found the number of convinced atheists in China to be 61%, with a further 29% saying that they are not religious compared to just 7% who are religious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

Maybe they prefer to say no religion, just to be safe.

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Communist repression of religion ended quite some time ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China

According to a 2012 Gallup poll, 47% of Chinese people were convinced atheists, and a further 30% were not religious. In comparison, only 14% considered themselves to be religious. More recently, a 2015 Gallup poll found the number of convinced atheists in China to be 61%, with a further 29% saying that they are not religious compared to just 7% who are religious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

Maybe they prefer to say no religion, just to be safe.

In global terms, it’s more commonly the other way around. People will say they subscribe to this or that religion or denomination even though they don’t believe any of that crap and never go to church etc.

It’s only quite recently that simply stating you have no religion has become widely socially acceptable.

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

According to a 2012 Gallup poll, 47% of Chinese people were convinced atheists, and a further 30% were not religious. In comparison, only 14% considered themselves to be religious. More recently, a 2015 Gallup poll found the number of convinced atheists in China to be 61%, with a further 29% saying that they are not religious compared to just 7% who are religious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

Maybe they prefer to say no religion, just to be safe.

In global terms, it’s more commonly the other way around. People will say they subscribe to this or that religion or denomination even though they don’t believe any of that crap and never go to church etc.

It’s only quite recently that simply stating you have no religion has become widely socially acceptable.

I don’t disagree, just throwing out an alternative scenario and which is particularly applicable to China with a long and recent history of religious persecution.

buffy said:

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

Not being sarcastic at all, some people are alarmed about it. I think the alarm is unfounded.

Bollards say that you are wrong.

Nup, bollards just say that some people are alarmed about it.

Alarmed at being run down & having your throat slit

Ahhhh, just a bit of bullying behavior, nothing to worry about while lining up at the AFL game, holding you clear plastic personal belongings bag, waiting to go through the metal detector.

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

AwesomeO said:

Maybe they prefer to say no religion, just to be safe.

In global terms, it’s more commonly the other way around. People will say they subscribe to this or that religion or denomination even though they don’t believe any of that crap and never go to church etc.

It’s only quite recently that simply stating you have no religion has become widely socially acceptable.

I don’t disagree, just throwing out an alternative scenario and which is particularly applicable to China with a long and recent history of religious persecution.

A lot of nominal Taoists and Buddhists pay little heed to their supposed religion. My nephew’s partner (Taiwanese) and her family are nominally Taoists but they’re actually atheists.

Bubblecar said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

I don’t think it’s correct to equate believing in Folk Religion with irreligiosity.

white supremacists are a bigger threat, unless you happen to be a muslim in the middle east…

ChrispenEvan said:

white supremacists are a bigger threat, unless you happen to be a muslim in the middle east…

You ignorant dick.

• white supremacists are a bigger threat, unless you happen to be a muslim in the middle east…

A bigger threat to who?

furious said:

• white supremacists are a bigger threat, unless you happen to be a muslim in the middle east…

A bigger threat to who?

Steve.

furious said:

• white supremacists are a bigger threat, unless you happen to be a muslim in the middle east…

A bigger threat to who?

the people who aren’t terrorists.

ChrispenEvan said:

white supremacists are a bigger threat, unless you happen to be a muslim in the middle east…

I would suggest in a threat matrix you are wrong. So far the evidence is that those calling themselves Islamists are the bigger and more deadly threat. Now that may change if the religion of peace adherents actually get to do the spectacular that they have been attempting. So far the security services are ahead of them, plus Australia has some advantages with access to weapons and explosive components and a sophisticated monitoring capability.

furious said:

• white supremacists are a bigger threat, unless you happen to be a muslim in the middle east…

A bigger threat to who?

White bearded old hippies in houso land imagine

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2017/jun/27/census-stories-how-has-your-town-or-suburb-changed-over-10-years?CMP=soc_567#

my area is expanding. not this street. not the universe. but the demographics.

My region (Northern Midlands) has lost 364 people since 2006.

Being a fairly slow-moving country area, there’s still a lot of Anglicans (33.3%) who slightly outnumber the godless (a respectable 30.7%).

The population of this area was 33,028 people in 2016. This is an increase from 2006, when the population was 6,730.

The census was before I moved here.

I believe it was the 2011 UK concensus that found the traditional land owners had become the minority in their capital city

party_pants said:

The population of this area was 33,028 people in 2016. This is an increase from 2006, when the population was 6,730.

The census was before I moved here.

we’ve grown by 135 people.

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

The population of this area was 33,028 people in 2016. This is an increase from 2006, when the population was 6,730.

The census was before I moved here.

we’ve grown by 135 people.

My village was expected to grow by one person per 20 years when I first moved here almost 40 years ago.
There are actually no more people here now.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

party_pants said:

The population of this area was 33,028 people in 2016. This is an increase from 2006, when the population was 6,730.

The census was before I moved here.

we’ve grown by 135 people.

My village was expected to grow by one person per 20 years when I first moved here almost 40 years ago.
There are actually no more people here now.

where did they all go?

According to statistically significant trends, covering pre-millenium to present day data, the majority of indigenous Swedes alive today will witness a demographic change where-by they become the ethnic minotity in their homeland.

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

yah?

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

yah?

Whats the stats for Fairfield, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Auburn, hi density, dense population territories?

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

yah?

Whats the stats for Fairfield, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Auburn, hi density, dense population territories?

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

yah?

Whats the stats for Fairfield, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Auburn, hi density, dense population territories?

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

Whats the stats for Fairfield, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Auburn, hi density, dense population territories?

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

Acropolis now, was forever ago.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

Acropolis now, was forever ago.

Greek milkbars in Melbourne.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

yah?

Every election in this electorate the boxes come in and all the early ones show great enthusiasm for Labor and the Greens. And then Maranoa Heights votes. And the calvanists tip the vote to an Eric Abetz team player.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

Whats the stats for Fairfield, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Auburn, hi density, dense population territories?

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

I remember when Uncle Geoff had a half acre in Cabrammatta and there was a farm in the backyard.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

Whats the stats for Fairfield, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Auburn, hi density, dense population territories?

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

The figures don’t match what you are saying. I took the time to look up each suburb, population growth in each has only been in the order of 2000-4000 over the last 5 years, hardly makes them an immigration hotspot. 3 of the 4 have a significant Islamic response the the survey question because I presume this is where significant mosques reside. The other one has been stable at under 10% for the last 3 census.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

yah?

Whats the stats for Fairfield, Lakemba, Punchbowl, Auburn, hi density, dense population territories?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2017/jun/27/census-stories-how-has-your-town-or-suburb-changed-over-10-years?CMP=soc_567#

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

we’ve grown by 135 people.

My village was expected to grow by one person per 20 years when I first moved here almost 40 years ago.
There are actually no more people here now.

where did they all go?

I thought I’d get that question. Sorry. My bad. The population hasn’t increased.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

yah?

Every election in this electorate the boxes come in and all the early ones show great enthusiasm for Labor and the Greens. And then Maranoa Heights votes. And the calvanists tip the vote to an Eric Abetz team player.

Are they Reformed or Free-Reformed denominations?

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

My village was expected to grow by one person per 20 years when I first moved here almost 40 years ago.
There are actually no more people here now.

where did they all go?

I thought I’d get that question. Sorry. My bad. The population hasn’t increased.

There have been no new houses built here other than to replace the one that was lost.

sarahs mum said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

I remember when Uncle Geoff had a half acre in Cabrammatta and there was a farm in the backyard.

i remember sparrows in footscray before the greeks ate them all.

old melbourne saying.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

yah?

Every election in this electorate the boxes come in and all the early ones show great enthusiasm for Labor and the Greens. And then Maranoa Heights votes. And the calvanists tip the vote to an Eric Abetz team player.

Are they Reformed or Free-Reformed denominations?

Probably one of the Cthulhu adoring sects.

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

Here it was Italian, Sergi was the biggest name in the phone book but now it is probably more Singh.

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

The_observer said:

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

I remember when Uncle Geoff had a half acre in Cabrammatta and there was a farm in the backyard.

i remember sparrows in footscray before the greeks ate them all.

old melbourne saying.

The Italians tried after the greeks but eventually, they sprayed the sparrows to stop them coming.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Dutch is the second most spoken language in this area.

Here it was Italian, Sergi was the biggest name in the phone book but now it is probably more Singh.

It is kinda ironic. The Joneses fed theSergi’s the toothpaste on bread and now the Sergi’s own everything the Joneses had.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/half-of-australias-12000-syrian-and-iraqi-refugees-to-be-settled-by-just-one-sydney-council-20170116-gts7i0.html

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/half-of-australias-12000-syrian-and-iraqi-refugees-to-be-settled-by-just-one-sydney-council-20170116-gts7i0.html

Article dated Jan 2016, six months after the Census. I guess this will show up in the next one.

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/half-of-australias-12000-syrian-and-iraqi-refugees-to-be-settled-by-just-one-sydney-council-20170116-gts7i0.html

Article dated Jan 2016, six months after the Census. I guess this will show up in the next one.

Jan 2017

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/half-of-australias-12000-syrian-and-iraqi-refugees-to-be-settled-by-just-one-sydney-council-20170116-gts7i0.html

We all should agree that this is a poofteenth of our actual population. It is also likely an outright lie. Settlement is more widespread these days.

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/half-of-australias-12000-syrian-and-iraqi-refugees-to-be-settled-by-just-one-sydney-council-20170116-gts7i0.html

Article dated Jan 2016, six months after the Census. I guess this will show up in the next one.

Jan 2017

It is all about the 12,000 refugees the government were forced to agree to allow. They were never all going into the same suburb.

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

I have no idea these places exist if they are not suburbs of Perth.

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

The figures don’t match what you are saying. I took the time to look up each suburb, population growth in each has only been in the order of 2000-4000 over the last 5 years, hardly makes them an immigration hotspot. 3 of the 4 have a significant Islamic response the the survey question because I presume this is where significant mosques reside. The other one has been stable at under 10% for the last 3 census.

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

I remember when Uncle Geoff had a half acre in Cabrammatta and there was a farm in the backyard.

i remember sparrows in footscray before the greeks ate them all.

old melbourne saying.

The Italians tried after the greeks but eventually, they sprayed the sparrows to stop them coming.

Of course the Italians & Greeks had something in common with the locals. They were Christians.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

The figures don’t match what you are saying. I took the time to look up each suburb, population growth in each has only been in the order of 2000-4000 over the last 5 years, hardly makes them an immigration hotspot. 3 of the 4 have a significant Islamic response the the survey question because I presume this is where significant mosques reside. The other one has been stable at under 10% for the last 3 census.

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

Not that I’d ever bother reading any more Latham than I’ve seen to date.

People do tend to congregate in city areas because friends and relatives invite them. Nothing new here, move on. Everywhere else though and this is where the roots of the cities traditionally came from and will continue to. As people move out of the cities, their children move back in. The mix happens out in the country where people can actually be real.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

i remember sparrows in footscray before the greeks ate them all.

old melbourne saying.

The Italians tried after the greeks but eventually, they sprayed the sparrows to stop them coming.

Of course the Italians & Greeks had something in common with the locals. They were Christians.

We have had Muslims mixed with Aborigines and all other comers from before whe had motor cars.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

The figures don’t match what you are saying. I took the time to look up each suburb, population growth in each has only been in the order of 2000-4000 over the last 5 years, hardly makes them an immigration hotspot. 3 of the 4 have a significant Islamic response the the survey question because I presume this is where significant mosques reside. The other one has been stable at under 10% for the last 3 census.

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

You could move somewhere else if you don’t like it. my suburb is mostly Aussies, Poms, Kiwis and Yarpies.

The most common country of birth for people in this area in 2016 was Australia.

Country of birth
1. Australia 59.4%
2. United Kingdom, Channel Islands and Isle of Man 13.9%
3. New Zealand 6.3%
4. South Africa 2.7%
5. India 1.1%

Religions
1. Secular & no religious affiliation 38.9%
2. Catholic 17.1%
3. Anglican 15.1%
4. Christian, nfd 4.3%
5. Uniting Church 2.3%

You’ll love it here.

There is this lady of Indian origin at the stupormarket. She never speaks other than the cost of the bill. Her name according to the tag is, Deep.
I’ve always been fascinated to watch her interact or not. One day a couple of her mates wallked in. I assume they must have been for she looked up, waved and said “owaryagoin’ mates”.

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The_observer said:

There suburbs of western Sydney, the Mecca of immigration in Australia. Unless you see it firsthand, you cannot have a realistic grasp on the reality of whats happening in regards to demographic change.

The figures don’t match what you are saying. I took the time to look up each suburb, population growth in each has only been in the order of 2000-4000 over the last 5 years, hardly makes them an immigration hotspot. 3 of the 4 have a significant Islamic response the the survey question because I presume this is where significant mosques reside. The other one has been stable at under 10% for the last 3 census.

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

Everything Latham says of late miffs me.

sarahs mum said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The figures don’t match what you are saying. I took the time to look up each suburb, population growth in each has only been in the order of 2000-4000 over the last 5 years, hardly makes them an immigration hotspot. 3 of the 4 have a significant Islamic response the the survey question because I presume this is where significant mosques reside. The other one has been stable at under 10% for the last 3 census.

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

Everything Latham says of late miffs me.

Anything printed in the terrorgraph is to be taken with a kilo of salt.

Good, good. I am sure we’re all glad of this news of increase diversity. After all, that’s a core Australian value.

dv said:

Good, good. I am sure we’re all glad of this news of increase diversity. After all, that’s a core Australian value.

Unless you’re Pauline Hanson.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

party_pants said:

The figures don’t match what you are saying. I took the time to look up each suburb, population growth in each has only been in the order of 2000-4000 over the last 5 years, hardly makes them an immigration hotspot. 3 of the 4 have a significant Islamic response the the survey question because I presume this is where significant mosques reside. The other one has been stable at under 10% for the last 3 census.

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

Not that I’d ever bother reading any more Latham than I’ve seen to date.

People do tend to congregate in city areas because friends and relatives invite them. Nothing new here, move on. Everywhere else though and this is where the roots of the cities traditionally came from and will continue to. As people move out of the cities, their children move back in. The mix happens out in the country where people can actually be real.

The Muslim population has doubled in the last 5 years & 40% of Australia’s muslim population live in sydney.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

Not that I’d ever bother reading any more Latham than I’ve seen to date.

People do tend to congregate in city areas because friends and relatives invite them. Nothing new here, move on. Everywhere else though and this is where the roots of the cities traditionally came from and will continue to. As people move out of the cities, their children move back in. The mix happens out in the country where people can actually be real.

The Muslim population has doubled in the last 5 years & 40% of Australia’s muslim population live in sydney.

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

I’m more than familiar with these areas thanks. Latham’s article in todays telegraph is both accurate & no doubt eye opening. Take a read.

Not that I’d ever bother reading any more Latham than I’ve seen to date.

People do tend to congregate in city areas because friends and relatives invite them. Nothing new here, move on. Everywhere else though and this is where the roots of the cities traditionally came from and will continue to. As people move out of the cities, their children move back in. The mix happens out in the country where people can actually be real.

The Muslim population has doubled in the last 5 years & 40% of Australia’s muslim population live in sydney.

So it has doubled from 1 to 2 %?

and you reckon they are mostly in Sydney?

ChrispenEvan said:

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

Not that I’d ever bother reading any more Latham than I’ve seen to date.

People do tend to congregate in city areas because friends and relatives invite them. Nothing new here, move on. Everywhere else though and this is where the roots of the cities traditionally came from and will continue to. As people move out of the cities, their children move back in. The mix happens out in the country where people can actually be real.

The Muslim population has doubled in the last 5 years & 40% of Australia’s muslim population live in sydney.

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

Ok, a 77% increase in just ten years,,, is too many from a culture that is so alien to ours

The_observer said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The_observer said:

The Muslim population has doubled in the last 5 years & 40% of Australia’s muslim population live in sydney.

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

Ok, a 77% increase in just ten years,,, is too many from a culture that is so alien to ours

Hmmmm so Bosnian Muslims have the same culture as Indonesian Muslims?

and I guess South American Catholics have the same culture as Australian Catholics.

:-)

The_observer said:

ChrispenEvan said:

The_observer said:

The Muslim population has doubled in the last 5 years & 40% of Australia’s muslim population live in sydney.

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

Ok, a 77% increase in just ten years,,, is too many from a culture that is so alien to ours

The culture isn’t so alien.

ChrispenEvan said:

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

Good

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

Good

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

Mitchell said Mohammed told him that America’s civil liberties and openness were “gifts from his god” and were the weaknesses and flaws necessary to carry out an infiltration of Sharia law throughout the West.

“Political correctness allows them to operate in our midst without being challenged,” he said, Like-minded Jihadi brothers would emigrate, wrap themselves in civil liberties for protection” and fund themselves through the welfare system, he said.

These trends, Mitchell said, could be reflected in terror attacks, like this week’s attack in Berlin.

He said the best way to hinder terrorists’ progress would be to “slow down immigration” from countries that support terrorism.

The_observer said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

Good

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

Mitchell said Mohammed told him that America’s civil liberties and openness were “gifts from his god” and were the weaknesses and flaws necessary to carry out an infiltration of Sharia law throughout the West.

“Political correctness allows them to operate in our midst without being challenged,” he said, Like-minded Jihadi brothers would emigrate, wrap themselves in civil liberties for protection” and fund themselves through the welfare system, he said.

These trends, Mitchell said, could be reflected in terror attacks, like this week’s attack in Berlin.

He said the best way to hinder terrorists’ progress would be to “slow down immigration” from countries that support terrorism.

Good-oh. Another 300-odd million to get to 50% of USA’s new population. Yep, that’d work. Let’s make it simple: migrate everyone from Indonesia. and everyone from Iraq and you might just about make it.

The_observer said:

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

actually it hasn’t. 2006 census ~341 000. 2016 census ~604 000.

Good

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

Mitchell said Mohammed told him that America’s civil liberties and openness were “gifts from his god” and were the weaknesses and flaws necessary to carry out an infiltration of Sharia law throughout the West.

“Political correctness allows them to operate in our midst without being challenged,” he said, Like-minded Jihadi brothers would emigrate, wrap themselves in civil liberties for protection” and fund themselves through the welfare system, he said.

These trends, Mitchell said, could be reflected in terror attacks, like this week’s attack in Berlin.

He said the best way to hinder terrorists’ progress would be to “slow down immigration” from countries that support terrorism.

So at what time was Mitchell chatting with Mahommed?

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

dv said:

Good

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

Mitchell said Mohammed told him that America’s civil liberties and openness were “gifts from his god” and were the weaknesses and flaws necessary to carry out an infiltration of Sharia law throughout the West.

“Political correctness allows them to operate in our midst without being challenged,” he said, Like-minded Jihadi brothers would emigrate, wrap themselves in civil liberties for protection” and fund themselves through the welfare system, he said.

These trends, Mitchell said, could be reflected in terror attacks, like this week’s attack in Berlin.

He said the best way to hinder terrorists’ progress would be to “slow down immigration” from countries that support terrorism.

So at what time was Mitchell chatting with Mahommed?

Presumably this is a reference to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Elmer_Mitchell

I would argue that Mitchell has it exactly the wrong way round. Isolating Muslims to countries where the government imposes the Islamic religion is the best way to enhance and encourage the push for the spread of “Sharia Law”, and the genuine implementation of multiculturalism is the best way to prevent it.

Michael V said:

The_observer said:

dv said:

Good

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

Mitchell said Mohammed told him that America’s civil liberties and openness were “gifts from his god” and were the weaknesses and flaws necessary to carry out an infiltration of Sharia law throughout the West.

“Political correctness allows them to operate in our midst without being challenged,” he said, Like-minded Jihadi brothers would emigrate, wrap themselves in civil liberties for protection” and fund themselves through the welfare system, he said.

These trends, Mitchell said, could be reflected in terror attacks, like this week’s attack in Berlin.

He said the best way to hinder terrorists’ progress would be to “slow down immigration” from countries that support terrorism.

Good-oh. Another 300-odd million to get to 50% of USA’s new population. Yep, that’d work. Let’s make it simple: migrate everyone from Indonesia. and everyone from Iraq and you might just about make it.

How else could it be achieved?

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

The_observer said:

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

Mitchell said Mohammed told him that America’s civil liberties and openness were “gifts from his god” and were the weaknesses and flaws necessary to carry out an infiltration of Sharia law throughout the West.

“Political correctness allows them to operate in our midst without being challenged,” he said, Like-minded Jihadi brothers would emigrate, wrap themselves in civil liberties for protection” and fund themselves through the welfare system, he said.

These trends, Mitchell said, could be reflected in terror attacks, like this week’s attack in Berlin.

He said the best way to hinder terrorists’ progress would be to “slow down immigration” from countries that support terrorism.

Good-oh. Another 300-odd million to get to 50% of USA’s new population. Yep, that’d work. Let’s make it simple: migrate everyone from Indonesia. and everyone from Iraq and you might just about make it.

How else could it be achieved?

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweeds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

The_observer said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Good-oh. Another 300-odd million to get to 50% of USA’s new population. Yep, that’d work. Let’s make it simple: migrate everyone from Indonesia. and everyone from Iraq and you might just about make it.

How else could it be achieved?

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweeds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

Don’t know any Sweeds.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Michael V said:

How else could it be achieved?

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweeds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

Don’t know any Sweeds.

They’re not even pturnips.

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Michael V said:

How else could it be achieved?

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweeds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

Don’t know any Sweeds.

How about Swedes then

The_observer said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweeds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

Don’t know any Sweeds.

How about Swedes then

I don’t think it really matters. I think your argument has way too many holes in it. Look around you. See how many Muslims have no liking at all for the Daesh. See how many have no desire for Sharia law. These numbers will only grow. People tend to learn which side their bread is buttered on.

Years ago, 50 mph would kill lots of birds while driving down the roads. Today at 100 kmph, the birds have learned how to get out of the way.

The_observer said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Good-oh. Another 300-odd million to get to 50% of USA’s new population. Yep, that’d work. Let’s make it simple: migrate everyone from Indonesia. and everyone from Iraq and you might just about make it.

How else could it be achieved?

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

Switchereoo!

USA to Sweden. (Sweden has less than half the population of Australia and in any case has only around 5% Muslims, so your assertion is nonsense.)

Effectively I was questioning how one would get 300+ million Muslims to America without the USAsians actually noticing.

roughbarked said:

Years ago, 50 mph would kill lots of birds while driving down the roads. Today at 100 kmph, the birds have learned how to get out of the way.

Years ago elements of Islam were not as fundamentalist and as aggressive as they are, the evidence is Islam is getting more militant.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Years ago, 50 mph would kill lots of birds while driving down the roads. Today at 100 kmph, the birds have learned how to get out of the way.

Years ago elements of Islam were not as fundamentalist and as aggressive as they are, the evidence is Islam is getting more militant.

The rest of the world hasn’t missed a thing.

personally i would be worried about muslims if i were a muslim in a muslim countery. as it is i am actually, though not much, worried about christianist in “christian” countrys and RWNJ here.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

Years ago, 50 mph would kill lots of birds while driving down the roads. Today at 100 kmph, the birds have learned how to get out of the way.

Years ago elements of Islam were not as fundamentalist and as aggressive as they are, the evidence is Islam is getting more militant.

The rest of the world hasn’t missed a thing.

Protestantism: no need to feel guilty, as long as you don’t have too much fun.

Catholoicism: having fun is ok, but you need to feel guilty about it until you square things up via confession.

Islam: having fun is a sin. The end. Better to be pious. Best way to be pious: ensure that no-one else has fun.

mcgoon said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

Years ago elements of Islam were not as fundamentalist and as aggressive as they are, the evidence is Islam is getting more militant.

The rest of the world hasn’t missed a thing.

Protestantism: no need to feel guilty, as long as you don’t have too much fun.

Catholoicism: having fun is ok, but you need to feel guilty about it until you square things up via confession.

Islam: having fun is a sin. The end. Better to be pious. Best way to be pious: ensure that no-one else has fun.

I always thought presbyterianism was about ‘if you have fun then don’t stuff up because there is no forgiveness.’ That might have just been my family’s branch.

Michael V said:

The_observer said:

Michael V said:

How else could it be achieved?

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

Switchereoo!

USA to Sweden. (Sweden has less than half the population of Australia and in any case has only around 5% Muslims, so your assertion is nonsense.)

Effectively I was questioning how one would get 300+ million Muslims to America without the USAsians actually noticing.

Switcharoo roo roo

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

You started with the US, not me

The_observer said:

Michael V said:

The_observer said:

3.5 TO 4 children per muslim family to 1.3 children per traditional ethnic family is the xase in many European countries.

For example, most Sweds alive today will witness their own race become a minority, to muslims.

Switchereoo!

USA to Sweden. (Sweden has less than half the population of Australia and in any case has only around 5% Muslims, so your assertion is nonsense.)

Effectively I was questioning how one would get 300+ million Muslims to America without the USAsians actually noticing.

Switcharoo roo roo

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

You started with the US, not me

The UK presently has 100 sharia courts.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The_observer said:

Dr. Mitchell: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said easiest way to win the long battle to take over the world with Sharia Law was through immigration.

Mitchell said Mohammed told him that America’s civil liberties and openness were “gifts from his god” and were the weaknesses and flaws necessary to carry out an infiltration of Sharia law throughout the West.

“Political correctness allows them to operate in our midst without being challenged,” he said, Like-minded Jihadi brothers would emigrate, wrap themselves in civil liberties for protection” and fund themselves through the welfare system, he said.

These trends, Mitchell said, could be reflected in terror attacks, like this week’s attack in Berlin.

He said the best way to hinder terrorists’ progress would be to “slow down immigration” from countries that support terrorism.

So at what time was Mitchell chatting with Mahommed?

Presumably this is a reference to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Elmer_Mitchell

I would argue that Mitchell has it exactly the wrong way round. Isolating Muslims to countries where the government imposes the Islamic religion is the best way to enhance and encourage the push for the spread of “Sharia Law”, and the genuine implementation of multiculturalism is the best way to prevent it.

What a joke, multiculturalism. As has been shown in sydney they live in enclaves, like Little Syria, sorry, Fairfield, & do not have any interest in assimilating, especially the larger their numbers get.

Raheel Raza puts radical islam into perspective in the 14 minute video ‘By The Numbers’: How Demographics Reveal the True Nature of Islam, The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics

watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

The_observer said:

What a joke, multiculturalism. As has been shown in sydney they live in enclaves, like Little Syria, sorry, Fairfield, & do not have any interest in assimilating, especially the larger their numbers get.

Enclaves? Just like Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc before them Muslim Australians will soon ‘assimilate’ as you so delicately put it.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

What a joke, multiculturalism. As has been shown in sydney they live in enclaves, like Little Syria, sorry, Fairfield, & do not have any interest in assimilating, especially the larger their numbers get.

Enclaves? Just like Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc before them Muslim Australians will soon ‘assimilate’ as you so delicately put it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/the-suburb-with-43pc-poms-its-our-own-little-britain/news-story/44c2b065f04c4bd38bf8e87c72815662

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

What a joke, multiculturalism. As has been shown in sydney they live in enclaves, like Little Syria, sorry, Fairfield, & do not have any interest in assimilating, especially the larger their numbers get.

Enclaves? Just like Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc before them Muslim Australians will soon ‘assimilate’ as you so delicately put it.

How many of the Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc have gone os to fight for ISIS? or try to kill people all around the world in the name of their religion?

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

What a joke, multiculturalism. As has been shown in sydney they live in enclaves, like Little Syria, sorry, Fairfield, & do not have any interest in assimilating, especially the larger their numbers get.

Enclaves? Just like Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc before them Muslim Australians will soon ‘assimilate’ as you so delicately put it.

How many of the Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc have gone os to fight for ISIS? or try to kill people all around the world in the name of their religion?

You’ll get no argument from me that there isn’t a current crisis in Islam but we were talking about ethnic enclaves, about which your contention has been refuted.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Enclaves? Just like Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc before them Muslim Australians will soon ‘assimilate’ as you so delicately put it.

How many of the Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc have gone os to fight for ISIS? or try to kill people all around the world in the name of their religion?

You’ll get no argument from me that there isn’t a current crisis in Islam but we were talking about ethnic enclaves, about which your contention has been refuted.

You don’t get into the west of sydney too often do you son

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

How many of the Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc have gone os to fight for ISIS? or try to kill people all around the world in the name of their religion?

You’ll get no argument from me that there isn’t a current crisis in Islam but we were talking about ethnic enclaves, about which your contention has been refuted.

You don’t get into the west of sydney too often do you son

Plenty of missionary work to do there, but these guys are up to it.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You’ll get no argument from me that there isn’t a current crisis in Islam but we were talking about ethnic enclaves, about which your contention has been refuted.

You don’t get into the west of sydney too often do you son

Plenty of missionary work to do there, but these guys are up to it.

I recall you condoning the murder of the staff at charlie hebdo pf.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

You don’t get into the west of sydney too often do you son

Plenty of missionary work to do there, but these guys are up to it.

I recall you condoning the murder of the staff at charlie hebdo pf.

Not really, just said I thought those who go out of their way to insult strongly held views are asking for trouble.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Plenty of missionary work to do there, but these guys are up to it.

I recall you condoning the murder of the staff at charlie hebdo pf.

Not really, just said I thought those who go out of their way to insult strongly held views are asking for trouble.

Well you deserve to die by that logic.

& you can forget about free speech in western countries then.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

I recall you condoning the murder of the staff at charlie hebdo pf.

Not really, just said I thought those who go out of their way to insult strongly held views are asking for trouble.

Well you deserve to die by that logic.

& you can forget about free speech in western countries then.

Sorry Observer, but logic and you don’t go together.

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

What a joke, multiculturalism. As has been shown in sydney they live in enclaves, like Little Syria, sorry, Fairfield, & do not have any interest in assimilating, especially the larger their numbers get.

Enclaves? Just like Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc before them Muslim Australians will soon ‘assimilate’ as you so delicately put it.

How many of the Jewish, Italian, Greeks etc have gone os to fight for ISIS? or try to kill people all around the world in the name of their religion?

How many of them have permanentyly changed other places by moving there and setting up camp?