Date: 28/06/2017 23:28:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084099
Subject: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
To understand human consciousness, we need to know why it exists in the first place. New experimental evidence suggests it may have evolved to help us learn and adapt to changing circumstances far more rapidly and effectively.
We used to think consciousness was a uniquely human trait, but neuroscientists now believe we share it with many other animals, including mammals, birds and octopuses. While plants and arguably some animals like jellyfish seem able to respond to the world around them without any conscious awareness, many other animals consciously experience and perceive their environment.
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Date: 28/06/2017 23:44:28
From: transition
ID: 1084104
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
how conscious would you like to be?
Date: 28/06/2017 23:46:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084106
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
no more than I am. Marvin the robot scared my tiny when he suggested it was the size of a planet.
Date: 28/06/2017 23:48:00
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084109
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
Date: 28/06/2017 23:52:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084110
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
ffs. how many perripheries do you want to be aware of when all that you have to do is get through what is right in front of you?
Date: 28/06/2017 23:58:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084111
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
ffs. how many perripheries do you want to be aware of when all that you have to do is get through what is right in front of you?
everyone can be focused.
it isn’t as difficult as you imagine.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:00:00
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084112
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
ffs. how many perripheries do you want to be aware of when all that you have to do is get through what is right in front of you?
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Date: 29/06/2017 00:01:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084113
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
ffs. how many perripheries do you want to be aware of when all that you have to do is get through what is right in front of you?
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There are many paths.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:03:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084115
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
ffs. how many perripheries do you want to be aware of when all that you have to do is get through what is right in front of you?
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There are many paths.
The IQ choice shows your selection. and your IQ is graded on this and this only.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:08:31
From: transition
ID: 1084119
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:09:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084121
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
the answer quite simply is, awake.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:12:04
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084123
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
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There are many paths.
The IQ choice shows your selection. and your IQ is graded on this and this only.
ok someone approaches an intersection traveling in a car
can they rely on their peripheral vision to avoid a collision
Date: 29/06/2017 00:13:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084124
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
There are many paths.
The IQ choice shows your selection. and your IQ is graded on this and this only.
ok someone approaches an intersection traveling in a car
can they rely on their peripheral vision to avoid a collision
yes. If they are concious of their reality.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:14:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084125
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
The IQ choice shows your selection. and your IQ is graded on this and this only.
ok someone approaches an intersection traveling in a car
can they rely on their peripheral vision to avoid a collision
yes. If they are concious of their reality.
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Date: 29/06/2017 00:17:47
From: transition
ID: 1084126
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
the answer quite simply is, awake.
you don’t envy plants then, RB
Date: 29/06/2017 00:20:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084127
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
the answer quite simply is, awake.
you don’t envy plants then, RB
I am all about being with plants and yes I am aware when or not, they are awake.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:22:02
From: dv
ID: 1084129
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
“Consciousness helps us learn quickly”
what a weird thing to say.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:22:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084130
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
how conscious would you like to be?
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
To focus attention to one thing only?
To be conscious of your surroundings while dreaming or asleep?
To turn all your sensory perceptions up to maximum?
Turn only one perception up to maximum while turning all the others down to minimum?
Do you have something else in mind?
Date: 29/06/2017 00:23:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084131
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
dv said:
“Consciousness helps us learn quickly”
what a weird thing to say.
I’ve been trying to say that in a roundabout manner for quite a while.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:24:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084132
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
dv said:
“Consciousness helps us learn quickly”
what a weird thing to say.
maybe they meant awareness
Date: 29/06/2017 00:24:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084133
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
To focus attention to one thing only?
To be conscious of your surroundings while dreaming or asleep?
To turn all your sensory perceptions up to maximum?
Turn only one perception up to maximum while turning all the others down to minimum?
Do you have something else in mind?
I’d be the first to suggest that you should read between your own lines.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:27:51
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084134
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think they’re talking about peripheral awareness.
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
To focus attention to one thing only?
To be conscious of your surroundings while dreaming or asleep?
To turn all your sensory perceptions up to maximum?
Turn only one perception up to maximum while turning all the others down to minimum?
Do you have something else in mind?
To focus attention to one thing only?
or the other way
to focus your attention to separate events
multiple awareness, the ability to do more than one thing at a time
like writing 2 different sentences with both hands
Date: 29/06/2017 00:29:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084135
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
“Consciousness helps us learn quickly”
what a weird thing to say.
maybe they meant awareness
to be conscious is to actually be aware or as I said.. awake.
It is a play if you want because many words need a context to see.
and if it is in context then you are concsious of it.
If concsiousness is the awareness of all that surrounds you, then in reality this is what you actually get through each day whether you stand naked on a stone facing north under the full moon or not.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:30:19
From: transition
ID: 1084136
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
dv said:
“Consciousness helps us learn quickly”
what a weird thing to say.
true enough, summoning various mind tools, a feel for that, willing them. Influencing others’.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:31:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084137
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
yeah nah I was asking you how conscious you would like to be?
serious question.
To focus attention to one thing only?
To be conscious of your surroundings while dreaming or asleep?
To turn all your sensory perceptions up to maximum?
Turn only one perception up to maximum while turning all the others down to minimum?
Do you have something else in mind?
To focus attention to one thing only?
or the other way
to focus your attention to separate events
multiple awareness, the ability to do more than one thing at a time
like writing 2 different sentences with both hands
to be conscious needs no real focus. if you are conscious then this is what you are.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:32:54
From: transition
ID: 1084138
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
>Do you have something else in mind?
yeah your idealizations of. What would be your experience if consciousness optimized?
what would be your ideal mental state, for example.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:33:50
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084139
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
I think greater awareness can help one to learn.
I think its why people tend to figure out how to do things better/more quickly or efficiently the second or third time they try something new.
It can be with anything.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:35:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084140
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
>Do you have something else in mind?
yeah your idealizations of. What would be your experience if consciousness optimized?
what would be your ideal mental state, for example.
I’d reckon he’d like to be smoking a bit of weed. I’d also reckon that he no longer needs the weed.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:35:49
From: transition
ID: 1084141
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
>I think greater awareness can help one to learn.
do you think there’s anything out there that you may not want to learn?
Date: 29/06/2017 00:36:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084142
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
I think greater awareness can help one to learn.
I think its why people tend to figure out how to do things better/more quickly or efficiently the second or third time they try something new.
It can be with anything.
it is. but this is no great enlightenment.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:40:21
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084143
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
>Do you have something else in mind?
yeah your idealizations of. What would be your experience if consciousness optimized?
what would be your ideal mental state, for example.
Probably dreaming, my imagination while asleep can compose music, create weird art, walk around large interesting mansions, see lightning storms, create abstract lightning storms, float around in the air, come up with impossible scenes and have heaps of sex.
Makes being awake look dull and boring.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:41:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084144
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
transition said:
>I think greater awareness can help one to learn.
do you think there’s anything out there that you may not want to learn?
Looking at man’s attempts to make visuals..
Yes.. heaps of shit I would have no intent to even consider.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:41:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084145
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Do you have something else in mind?
yeah your idealizations of. What would be your experience if consciousness optimized?
what would be your ideal mental state, for example.
Probably dreaming, my imagination while asleep can compose music, create weird art, walk around large interesting mansions, see lightning storms, create abstract lightning storms, float around in the air, come up with impossible scenes and have heaps of sex.
Makes being awake look dull and boring.
opium
Date: 29/06/2017 00:47:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084146
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Do you have something else in mind?
yeah your idealizations of. What would be your experience if consciousness optimized?
what would be your ideal mental state, for example.
Probably dreaming, my imagination while asleep can compose music, create weird art, walk around large interesting mansions, see lightning storms, create abstract lightning storms, float around in the air, come up with impossible scenes and have heaps of sex.
Makes being awake look dull and boring.
opium
Yes, bit more interesting then.
The robots don’t like it for some reason.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:47:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084147
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
To be conscious is to be able to both eat and replant the same entity.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:49:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 1084148
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
roughbarked said:
To be conscious is to be able to both eat and replant the same entity.
This may be translated as to how you are conscious of being.
Date: 29/06/2017 00:49:47
From: transition
ID: 1084149
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Tau.Neutrino said:
transition said:
>Do you have something else in mind?
yeah your idealizations of. What would be your experience if consciousness optimized?
what would be your ideal mental state, for example.
Probably dreaming, my imagination while asleep can compose music, create weird art, walk around large interesting mansions, see lightning storms, create abstract lightning storms, float around in the air, come up with impossible scenes and have heaps of sex.
Makes being awake look dull and boring.
That’s interesting, what you said. So maybe many people tend to only visit maximum awareness, they wouldn’t like to make it their home.
Some of those same people may like to visit their extended awareness on you, through ideological idealizations, and render you a servant to them (via the idealizations).
Date: 29/06/2017 01:03:05
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1084153
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Some people have greater awareness than others, and it can be across many different fields.
Consider people who can remember more landscape details than others.
Rally drivers who remember minute details of roads and timing turns, predicting whats coming next etc.
People who can remember details of music or details of a book or artworks.
What makes better fighter pilots than others?
What makes better astronauts than others?
Date: 29/06/2017 05:42:53
From: transition
ID: 1084161
Subject: re: Consciousness helps us learn quickly in a changing world
Isn’t it an odd thing to be able to hunt around in ones own head, for memories, for feelings, for tools. Well, maybe to consider that might be aided by temporarily thinking of it as odd. Just doing that – trying to make it seem somewhat odd – could be an example of hunting, a trick. I could do that to fuck with the automated aspects, to unhide them. It could turn out like a loose spanner in a running gearbox, we’ll see.
I say hunting rather than summon, because sometimes it’s a work more like hunting.
Often I hunt for stumps for the fire, or hunt down my tools i’ve left around the place after a machine repair. Or the shovel that’s wandered out of the ute into the garden someplace.
Hunting internally to me seems similar. Finding whatever. Of course the things inside (my head) aren’t found by images of some internal terrain, it’s a different sort of terrain, more involving a feel-sense. Probably closer to feeling around with eyes closed, or in the dark.
I’m using the word hunting and exploring the possibility our ancestors hunting-for-food (shelter too, and mates) mental tools happened upon a few accidents over time with benefits.
When looking internally you don’t have to know exactly what you are looking for, and it’s all in the cranium anyway, very near, how far do you have to look? Very near and familiar. Handy really.
So what sort of accident of proximity/presence detection might result in enhanced internal hunting?
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