I wonder what the average reduction in sex hormone scent between genders is reduced by clothing?
If there is any reduction is a cause of a general falling male sperm count?
Fertility crisis? Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years: study
Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years.
I suppose its nothing to worry about.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder what the average reduction in sex hormone scent between genders is reduced by clothing?If there is any reduction is a cause of a general falling male sperm count?
Fertility crisis? Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years: study
Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years.
I suppose its nothing to worry about.
I remember reading a while ago that pheromone action/attraction is altered by the habit to shave the armpits… but then also by the contraceptive pill, don;t recall clothing being an indicator
What do the give as a reason?
Peak Warming Man said:
What do the give as a reason?
they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What do the give as a reason?
they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Tight underpants is not recommended.
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What do the give as a reason?
they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Seems to me that people having more sex might be the reason.
Not everyone is convinced:
Many previous studies have indicated similar sharp declines in sperm count in developed economies, but sceptics say that a large proportion of them have been flawed.
Some have investigated a relatively small number of men, or included only men who attend fertility clinics and are, in any case, more likely to have low sperm counts.
There is also concern that studies that claim to show a decline in sperm counts are more likely to get published in scientific journals than those that do not.
Another difficulty is that early methods of counting sperm may have overestimated the true count.
Taken together these factors may have created a false view of falling sperm counts.
But the researchers claim to have accounted for some of these deficiencies, leaving some doubters, such as Prof Allan Pacey of Sheffield University, less sceptical.
He said: “I’ve never been particularly convinced by the many studies published so far claiming that human sperm counts have declined in the recent past.”
“However, the study today by Dr Levine and his colleagues deals head-on with many of the deficiencies of previous studies.”
But Prof Pacey believes that although the new study has reduced the possibility of errors it does not entirely remove them. So, he says, the results should be treated with caution.
“The debate has not yet been resolved and there is clearly much work still to be done.
“However, the paper does represent a step forward in the clarity of the data which might ultimately allow us to define better studies to examine this issue.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40719743
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What do the give as a reason?
they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Seems to me that people having more sex might be the reason.
Who’s having more sex?!?
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What do the give as a reason?
they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
The bard knew, wine enhances the desire but detracts from the performance.
Commonly know as brewers droop.
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
Live at the Apollo a comedian did a bit on how pornography is changing sexual habits. A couple went to see a doctor because they were unable to have children, after tests they were both found to be fertile so the doctor asked them how they did it. In the normal way the bloke said, pound away then come on her tits.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What do the give as a reason?
they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Seems to me that people having more sex might be the reason.
Maybe porn is contributing to falling sperm rates?
and what if a link is found?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
What do the give as a reason?
they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Seems to me that people having more sex might be the reason.
are people having less sex in non western countries where the rates have stayed the same?
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
third world countries do not have easy access to porn
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
>>Anabolic steroids taken to stimulate muscle strength and growth can cause the testicles to shrink and sperm production to decrease. Use of cocaine or marijuana might reduce the number and quality of your sperm as well. Alcohol use. Drinking alcohol can lower testosterone levels and cause decreased sperm production.Jul 15, 2015<<
Low sperm count Causes – Mayo Clinic
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/basics/causes/con-20033441
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
Maybe in war torn countries the desire to procreate my also drive sperm counts.
I think it’s a well know phenomenon.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
third world countries do not have easy access to porn
Seems a bold statement.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
>>Anabolic steroids taken to stimulate muscle strength and growth can cause the testicles to shrink and sperm production to decrease. Use of cocaine or marijuana might reduce the number and quality of your sperm as well. Alcohol use. Drinking alcohol can lower testosterone levels and cause decreased sperm production.Jul 15, 2015<<
Low sperm count Causes – Mayo Clinic
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/basics/causes/con-20033441
nice cherry picking…
AwesomeO said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
third world countries do not have easy access to porn
Seems a bold statement.
they have as many pc’s to people as we do?
ok, scratch that idea then.
Tau.Neutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
Tau.Neutrino said:third world countries do not have easy access to porn
Seems a bold statement.
they have as many pc’s to people as we do?
ok, scratch that idea then.
Imagine watching porn on a 386.
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
>>Anabolic steroids taken to stimulate muscle strength and growth can cause the testicles to shrink and sperm production to decrease. Use of cocaine or marijuana might reduce the number and quality of your sperm as well. Alcohol use. Drinking alcohol can lower testosterone levels and cause decreased sperm production.Jul 15, 2015<<
Low sperm count Causes – Mayo Clinic
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/basics/causes/con-20033441
nice cherry picking…
more plums… but we get the picture..
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
the article is a bit drab… but let me save you the trouble of reading it.. it basically says, there seems to be a fall according to these longitudinal research efforts where there is no fall in countries not considered ‘first world’.. This may be due to obesity, BPA’s or stuff… we don’t really know and haven’t really got enough research to determine anything. More research is necessary but look, I wrote a nice article, so I have that going for me…
>>Anabolic steroids taken to stimulate muscle strength and growth can cause the testicles to shrink and sperm production to decrease. Use of cocaine or marijuana might reduce the number and quality of your sperm as well. Alcohol use. Drinking alcohol can lower testosterone levels and cause decreased sperm production.Jul 15, 2015<<
Low sperm count Causes – Mayo Clinic
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/basics/causes/con-20033441
nice cherry picking…
You were looking for reasons, I gave you some medical ones. Sorry if it conflicts with your ideas.
I wonder if porn is contributing to falling sperm rates?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
AwesomeO said:Seems a bold statement.
they have as many pc’s to people as we do?
ok, scratch that idea then.
Imagine watching porn on a 386.
Sam Fox taught me how to play poker on the old commodore 64..
Some porn studies indicate large rises of violence in porn.
I wonder if there is a connection?
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder if porn is contributing to falling sperm rates?
Show your workings.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:>>Anabolic steroids taken to stimulate muscle strength and growth can cause the testicles to shrink and sperm production to decrease. Use of cocaine or marijuana might reduce the number and quality of your sperm as well. Alcohol use. Drinking alcohol can lower testosterone levels and cause decreased sperm production.Jul 15, 2015<<
Low sperm count Causes – Mayo Clinic
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/basics/causes/con-20033441
nice cherry picking…
You were looking for reasons, I gave you some medical ones. Sorry if it conflicts with your ideas.
From the same publication, you might recall my comment about tight underpants.
>>Overheating the testicles. Elevated temperatures impair sperm production and function. Although studies are limited and are inconclusive, frequent use of saunas or hot tubs might temporarily impair sperm count.
Sitting for long periods, wearing tight clothing or working on a laptop computer for long stretches of time also might increase the temperature in your scrotum and slightly reduce sperm production.<<
stumpy_seahorse said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:they have as many pc’s to people as we do?
ok, scratch that idea then.
Imagine watching porn on a 386.
Sam Fox taught me how to play poker on the old commodore 64..
They don’t make games like ‘Leisure-suit Larry’ anymore.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Seems to me that people having more sex might be the reason.
Who’s having more sex?!?
Average people
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder if porn is contributing to falling sperm rates?Show your workings.
Its just an idea atm.
Unless there has already been a study.
Tau.Neutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
Tau.Neutrino said:third world countries do not have easy access to porn
Seems a bold statement.
they have as many pc’s to people as we do?
ok, scratch that idea then.
Doesn’t have to be on a computer, used to be in magazines, before that friezes on walls. I hear you can get it on mobile phones and the are very popular in the third world.
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:they don’t know the reason, just that there is a fall… in Western Societies… where obesity is high.. and alcohol is rampant
so I dunno.. it’s a head scratcher
Seems to me that people having more sex might be the reason.
are people having less sex in non western countries where the rates have stayed the same?
The same amount, presumably.
Extra clothing could be heating up the testicles, and that’s what could be reducing sperm count.
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:nice cherry picking…
You were looking for reasons, I gave you some medical ones. Sorry if it conflicts with your ideas.
From the same publication, you might recall my comment about tight underpants.
>>Overheating the testicles. Elevated temperatures impair sperm production and function. Although studies are limited and are inconclusive, frequent use of saunas or hot tubs might temporarily impair sperm count.
Sitting for long periods, wearing tight clothing or working on a laptop computer for long stretches of time also might increase the temperature in your scrotum and slightly reduce sperm production.<<
That could be the reason.
Seems reasonable.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Extra clothing could be heating up the testicles, and that’s what could be reducing sperm count.
Because of global cooling?
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:You were looking for reasons, I gave you some medical ones. Sorry if it conflicts with your ideas.
From the same publication, you might recall my comment about tight underpants.
>>Overheating the testicles. Elevated temperatures impair sperm production and function. Although studies are limited and are inconclusive, frequent use of saunas or hot tubs might temporarily impair sperm count.
Sitting for long periods, wearing tight clothing or working on a laptop computer for long stretches of time also might increase the temperature in your scrotum and slightly reduce sperm production.<<
That could be the reason.
Seems reasonable.
A solution then would be for more breathable clothing for men in that region between the legs.
A study needs to look at how to keep the temp right for year round.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Extra clothing could be heating up the testicles, and that’s what could be reducing sperm count.Because of global cooling?
Clothing covers up the testicles which cannot dissipate heat like they can without clothes, so heat builds up more in the testicles, thus causing lower quality sperm.
A 60 pc decrease over 40 years is a bit alarming.
A design change in mens clothing could improve things
That’s if clothing is the cause.
Otherwise, dunno. Back to scratching head.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:From the same publication, you might recall my comment about tight underpants.
>>Overheating the testicles. Elevated temperatures impair sperm production and function. Although studies are limited and are inconclusive, frequent use of saunas or hot tubs might temporarily impair sperm count.
Sitting for long periods, wearing tight clothing or working on a laptop computer for long stretches of time also might increase the temperature in your scrotum and slightly reduce sperm production.<<
That could be the reason.
Seems reasonable.
A solution then would be for more breathable clothing for men in that region between the legs.
A study needs to look at how to keep the temp right for year round.
The Rev apparently doesn’t have that problem.
Or
It could be both testicle heat build up and reduced pheromone transmission.
Both because of clothing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
OrIt could be both testicle heat build up and reduced pheromone transmission.
Both because of clothing.
Also obesity.
Tau.Neutrino said:
OrIt could be both testicle heat build up and reduced pheromone transmission.
Both because of clothing.
People in the third-world still wear clothes you know.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:>>Anabolic steroids taken to stimulate muscle strength and growth can cause the testicles to shrink and sperm production to decrease. Use of cocaine or marijuana might reduce the number and quality of your sperm as well. Alcohol use. Drinking alcohol can lower testosterone levels and cause decreased sperm production.Jul 15, 2015<<
Low sperm count Causes – Mayo Clinic
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-sperm-count/basics/causes/con-20033441
nice cherry picking…
You were looking for reasons, I gave you some medical ones. Sorry if it conflicts with your ideas.
It doesn’t.. it’s just a section of a longer article that has many reasons… and on low sperm count in individuals and not across a population
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
OrIt could be both testicle heat build up and reduced pheromone transmission.
Both because of clothing.
Also obesity.
Is obesity a first world problem?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
OrIt could be both testicle heat build up and reduced pheromone transmission.
Both because of clothing.
People in the third-world still wear clothes you know.
Processed food perhaps?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Extra clothing could be heating up the testicles, and that’s what could be reducing sperm count.
I recall a study on tight clothing and people in high stress jobs bearing a statistically higher number of girls ..
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
OrIt could be both testicle heat build up and reduced pheromone transmission.
Both because of clothing.
People in the third-world still wear clothes you know.
Processed food perhaps?
Pharmaceutical drugs and recreational drugs?
Could be a combination of lots of things.
Other things like air quality.
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Extra clothing could be heating up the testicles, and that’s what could be reducing sperm count.I recall a study on tight clothing and people in high stress jobs bearing a statistically higher number of girls ..
Nah, that was just me having a whinge at the time.
I’m sure any fears about humans becoming extinct due to low reproduction rates are wildly premature.
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:nice cherry picking…
You were looking for reasons, I gave you some medical ones. Sorry if it conflicts with your ideas.
It doesn’t.. it’s just a section of a longer article that has many reasons… and on low sperm count in individuals and not across a population
Most of those medical problems would be too few in number to affect an entire western population. It would need to be more general to do that as I chose to highlight, which are commonly regarded as being likely.
Bubblecar said:
I’m sure any fears about humans becoming extinct due to low reproduction rates are wildly premature.
Would a 60 pc fall have any effects on reproduction?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m sure any fears about humans becoming extinct due to low reproduction rates are wildly premature.
Would a 60 pc fall have any effects on reproduction?
With the consistent reduction of the Y chromosome, it is estimated that all male humans will eventually become infertile in a few thousand years (if we last that long).
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m sure any fears about humans becoming extinct due to low reproduction rates are wildly premature.
Would a 60 pc fall have any effects on reproduction?
he article you quoted also discussed the increase in assisted reproduction… This technology is getting better (although very slowly) but I’d suggest that low sperm count isn’t really going to affect reproduction in the long term… if this article is complete factual and accurately presents the results (and I’d guess it’s not) this is likely just a trend that will move upwards again over the next fifty years… or everyone will die from upsizing their maccas
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m sure any fears about humans becoming extinct due to low reproduction rates are wildly premature.
Would a 60 pc fall have any effects on reproduction?
With the consistent reduction of the Y chromosome,
Please explain.
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
I’m sure any fears about humans becoming extinct due to low reproduction rates are wildly premature.
Would a 60 pc fall have any effects on reproduction?
With the consistent reduction of the Y chromosome, it is estimated that all male humans will eventually become infertile in a few thousand years (if we last that long).
That’s a long time in which to try turning it off then turning it on again.
if porn is becoming more violent will this lead to more violent crime?
Tau.Neutrino said:
if porn is becoming more violent will this lead to more violent crime?
no… there is some preliminary evidence to suggest that boys who watch porn have issues with intimacy, but no real link between violent porn and violent crime… as yet studied
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Would a 60 pc fall have any effects on reproduction?
With the consistent reduction of the Y chromosome,
Please explain.
The Y chromosome in quite small and very fragile in comparison to the X chromosome and it is apparently losing bits along the way, thereby making it even smaller.
>Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder if porn is contributing to falling sperm rates?Show your workings.
smack
don’t encourage the lad, he already has a garden shed full of unusable keyboards.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:With the consistent reduction of the Y chromosome,
Please explain.
The Y chromosome in quite small and very fragile in comparison to the X chromosome and it is apparently losing bits along the way, thereby making it even smaller.
yes, I read that also.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Would a 60 pc fall have any effects on reproduction?
With the consistent reduction of the Y chromosome, it is estimated that all male humans will eventually become infertile in a few thousand years (if we last that long).
That’s a long time in which to try turning it off then turning it on again.
Don’t think the current lack of sperm is related to this longer problem.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Extra clothing could be heating up the testicles, and that’s what could be reducing sperm count.Because of global cooling?
Clothing covers up the testicles which cannot dissipate heat like they can without clothes, so heat builds up more in the testicles, thus causing lower quality sperm.
A 60 pc decrease over 40 years is a bit alarming.
A design change in mens clothing could improve things
That’s if clothing is the cause.
Otherwise, dunno. Back to scratching head.
But if we plotted the trouser tightness index for young men over the last 50 years, surely it would fall rapidly for the first ten years, then be pretty well constant.
(assuming peak-trouser tightness was in 1967, which seems like a reasonable guess to me)
Is porn a beauty and reward system?
Witty Rejoinder said:
They don’t make games like ‘Leisure-suit Larry’ anymore.
Dear, sweet, innocent child… :p
dv said:
The headmaster of my boys’ school may have had the answer to this.
In our sex education classes (which were remarkably free of any mention of sex between humans) he told us not to masturbate because we needed to preserve our supply of sperm for when we wanted to have kids.
Maybe the old guy had it right!
The Rev Dodgson said:
The headmaster of my boys’ school may have had the answer to this.In our sex education classes (which were remarkably free of any mention of sex between humans) he told us not to masturbate because we needed to preserve our supply of sperm for when we wanted to have kids.
Maybe the old guy had it right!
How does that work?
do the testicles reach full, then production gets turned off
or do the testicles just keep on producing sperm regards?
probably devolution, having gone prolific, hasn’t been selected for, it’s no longer so important.
transition said:
probably devolution, having gone prolific, hasn’t been selected for, it’s no longer so important.
Maybe nature is self pruning all the men who fall short genetically
transition said:
probably devolution, having gone prolific, hasn’t been selected for, it’s no longer so important.
Maybe nature is self pruning all the men who fall short genetically
transition said:
probably devolution, having gone prolific, hasn’t been selected for, it’s no longer so important.
Maybe nature is self pruning all the men who fall short genetically
transition said:
probably devolution, having gone prolific, hasn’t been selected for, it’s no longer so important.
Maybe nature is self pruning all the men who fall short genetically
transition said:
probably devolution, having gone prolific, hasn’t been selected for, it’s no longer so important.
living for longer too, the various burdens of monogamy (or serial monogamy – nearest equivalent respectable thing to polyamory), + modern culture might have a moderate sterilizing effect, or affect. Big families are starting to look suspect, families are spread out.
who needs balls today anyway. And testosterone’s got a bad reputation.
perhaps it’s a simple as the thinking species graduated another step toward instinct-dumb, into desire deficit, does less physically hard work, is offered endless distractions to endure the monotony, and is getting it in the ask no questions of ideology.
probably just alien stressors of modern culture is my bet.
dv said:
Very good, :)))
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder what the average reduction in sex hormone scent between genders is reduced by clothing?If there is any reduction is a cause of a general falling male sperm count?
Fertility crisis? Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years: study
Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years.
I suppose its nothing to worry about.
Your comment about clothing is weird. People were wearing clothing 40 years ago…
Cymek said:
transition said:
probably devolution, having gone prolific, hasn’t been selected for, it’s no longer so important.
Maybe nature is self pruning all the men who fall short genetically
4 posts the same, Cymek must be getting excited.
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder what the average reduction in sex hormone scent between genders is reduced by clothing?If there is any reduction is a cause of a general falling male sperm count?
Fertility crisis? Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years: study
Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years.
I suppose its nothing to worry about.
Your comment about clothing is weird. People were wearing clothing 40 years ago…
Heat generated by tight fitting clothing, compounded by synthetic materials, plus higher levels of obesity.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
I wonder what the average reduction in sex hormone scent between genders is reduced by clothing?If there is any reduction is a cause of a general falling male sperm count?
Fertility crisis? Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years: study
Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years.
I suppose its nothing to worry about.
Your comment about clothing is weird. People were wearing clothing 40 years ago…
Heat generated by tight fitting clothing, compounded by synthetic materials, plus higher levels of obesity.
Are people wearing tight fitting clothing or synthetics than they were 40 years ago?
Obesity, okay…
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Your comment about clothing is weird. People were wearing clothing 40 years ago…
Heat generated by tight fitting clothing, compounded by synthetic materials, plus higher levels of obesity.
Are people wearing tight fitting clothing or synthetics than they were 40 years ago?
Obesity, okay…
Underpants are apparently the trouble zone, not the trousers.
Had some left over rice in the fridge and some cold chook, so those with a bit of ham and a few vegies and a nice fried rice is procured for lunch.
sibeen said:
Had some left over rice in the fridge and some cold chook, so those with a bit of ham and a few vegies and a nice fried rice is procured for lunch.
Your answer I presume?
PermeateFree said:
sibeen said:
Had some left over rice in the fridge and some cold chook, so those with a bit of ham and a few vegies and a nice fried rice is procured for lunch.
Your answer I presume?
I’m assuming “left over rice” is some kind of slang.
It was either that or masturbate.
sibeen said:
It was either that or masturbate.
Found an old article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1092726/Gender-bending-chemicals-putting-future-risk.html
Cymek said:
Found an old articlehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1092726/Gender-bending-chemicals-putting-future-risk.html
There were a couple of scientific documentaries on this subject a few years ago, very disturbing. So is estrogen or obesity the rising cause of man-boobs?
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Heat generated by tight fitting clothing, compounded by synthetic materials, plus higher levels of obesity.
Are people wearing tight fitting clothing or synthetics than they were 40 years ago?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/81/3f/52/813f523af85a78f25f42790a5c6699a5—retro-men-men-pants.jpg!
Obesity, okay…
Underpants are apparently the trouble zone, not the trousers.
I’m pretty sure we wore underpants back in the 60’s and 70’s.
Obesity, less sunlight, and less exercise seem more likely causes to me.
That and more wanking.
The Rev Dodgson said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Are people wearing tight fitting clothing or synthetics than they were 40 years ago?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/81/3f/52/813f523af85a78f25f42790a5c6699a5—retro-men-men-pants.jpg!
Obesity, okay…
Underpants are apparently the trouble zone, not the trousers.
I’m pretty sure we wore underpants back in the 60’s and 70’s.
Obesity, less sunlight, and less exercise seem more likely causes to me.
That and more wanking.
It’s all Mick Jagger’s fault.
The Rev Dodgson said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Are people wearing tight fitting clothing or synthetics than they were 40 years ago?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/81/3f/52/813f523af85a78f25f42790a5c6699a5—retro-men-men-pants.jpg!
Obesity, okay…
Underpants are apparently the trouble zone, not the trousers.
I’m pretty sure we wore underpants back in the 60’s and 70’s.
Obesity, less sunlight, and less exercise seem more likely causes to me.
That and more wanking.
Well coming from Scotland you might not be aware, but most underpants in the good old days were made from cotton, now most are made from synthetics because they are much cheaper.
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
PermeateFree said:Underpants are apparently the trouble zone, not the trousers.
I’m pretty sure we wore underpants back in the 60’s and 70’s.
Obesity, less sunlight, and less exercise seem more likely causes to me.
That and more wanking.
Well coming from Scotland you might not be aware, but most underpants in the good old days were made from cotton, now most are made from synthetics because they are much cheaper.
I was born in London.
I’m pretty sure we had synthetic underpants back then as well.
Is there any evidence for the magical properties of cotton underpants inside tight synthetic trousers, when compared with synthetic underpants inside looser cotton trousers anyway?
The Rev Dodgson said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m pretty sure we wore underpants back in the 60’s and 70’s.
Obesity, less sunlight, and less exercise seem more likely causes to me.
That and more wanking.
Well coming from Scotland you might not be aware, but most underpants in the good old days were made from cotton, now most are made from synthetics because they are much cheaper.
I was born in London.
I’m pretty sure we had synthetic underpants back then as well.
Is there any evidence for the magical properties of cotton underpants inside tight synthetic trousers, when compared with synthetic underpants inside looser cotton trousers anyway?
I doubt it, but I’ll let you do the calculations. Don’t you realise this is a plot by the Chinese to dominate the world!
The Rev Dodgson said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m pretty sure we wore underpants back in the 60’s and 70’s.
Obesity, less sunlight, and less exercise seem more likely causes to me.
That and more wanking.
Well coming from Scotland you might not be aware, but most underpants in the good old days were made from cotton, now most are made from synthetics because they are much cheaper.
I was born in London.
I’m pretty sure we had synthetic underpants back then as well.
Is there any evidence for the magical properties of cotton underpants inside tight synthetic trousers, when compared with synthetic underpants inside looser cotton trousers anyway?
Arguably, all underpants are synthetic…
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
PermeateFree said:Well coming from Scotland you might not be aware, but most underpants in the good old days were made from cotton, now most are made from synthetics because they are much cheaper.
I was born in London.
I’m pretty sure we had synthetic underpants back then as well.
Is there any evidence for the magical properties of cotton underpants inside tight synthetic trousers, when compared with synthetic underpants inside looser cotton trousers anyway?
Arguably, all underpants are synthetic…
That’s a bit of a stretch.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I was born in London.
I’m pretty sure we had synthetic underpants back then as well.
Is there any evidence for the magical properties of cotton underpants inside tight synthetic trousers, when compared with synthetic underpants inside looser cotton trousers anyway?
Arguably, all underpants are synthetic…
That’s a bit of a stretch.
Y?
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Arguably, all underpants are synthetic…
That’s a bit of a stretch.
Y?
I think that there’s a possibility that PF’s comment was of humorous intent.
Nonetheless, if we accept the conventional usage that cotton garments are not “synthetic”, why would you say that cotton underpants are synthetic?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:That’s a bit of a stretch.
Y?
I think that there’s a possibility that PF’s comment was of humorous intent.
So was mine.
Fronts.
Haaaa.
Nonetheless, if we accept the conventional usage that cotton garments are not “synthetic”, why would you say that cotton underpants are synthetic?
Well all woven garments are synthetic. You don’t dig them out of the ground or pluck them off trees, do you?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I think that there’s a possibility that PF’s comment was of humorous intent.
So was mine.
Fronts.
Haaaa.D’oh.
Nonetheless, if we accept the conventional usage that cotton garments are not “synthetic”, why would you say that cotton underpants are synthetic?Well all woven garments are synthetic. You don’t dig them out of the ground or pluck them off trees, do you?
Important as this discussion may be, I don’t think it will tell us where all the sperm are going.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:D’oh.
Nonetheless, if we accept the conventional usage that cotton garments are not “synthetic”, why would you say that cotton underpants are synthetic?Well all woven garments are synthetic. You don’t dig them out of the ground or pluck them off trees, do you?
Important as this discussion may be, I don’t think it will tell us where all the sperm are going.
No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well all woven garments are synthetic. You don’t dig them out of the ground or pluck them off trees, do you?
Important as this discussion may be, I don’t think it will tell us where all the sperm are going.
No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
Speak for yourself. Cotton by the way is grown on a bush and not manufactured.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Important as this discussion may be, I don’t think it will tell us where all the sperm are going.
No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
Speak for yourself. Cotton by the way is grown on a bush and not manufactured.
But underpants are manufactured…
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well all woven garments are synthetic. You don’t dig them out of the ground or pluck them off trees, do you?
Important as this discussion may be, I don’t think it will tell us where all the sperm are going.
No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
I agree with obesity, but don’t think masturbation is at all responsible.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
Speak for yourself. Cotton by the way is grown on a bush and not manufactured.
But underpants are manufactured…
But they are made from a natural fibre and then processed so the fibre can be used. The fibre itself was not manufactured.
Perhaps global warming is responsible as testicles are hotter than they used to be
Cymek said:
Perhaps global warming is responsible as testicles are hotter than they used to be
Perhaps we should keep them out of the sun? There might be a new market opening for BallShades.
Arts said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Important as this discussion may be, I don’t think it will tell us where all the sperm are going.
No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
I agree with obesity, but don’t think masturbation is at all responsible.
Y knot?
Surely it’s a possibility.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
dv said:No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
I agree with obesity, but don’t think masturbation is at all responsible.
Y knot?
Surely it’s a possibility.
As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:I agree with obesity, but don’t think masturbation is at all responsible.
Y knot?
Surely it’s a possibility.
As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
dv said:No.
But yeah, I think probably obesity and masturbation are the keys.
I agree with obesity, but don’t think masturbation is at all responsible.
Y knot?
Surely it’s a possibility.
mastrubation could account for sperm falling but still have nothing to do with sperm counts falling.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Y knot?
Surely it’s a possibility.
As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
It has nothing to do with it. It is largely about a shit diet and bad genetics passed down.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
It has nothing to do with it. It is largely about a shit diet and bad genetics passed down.
I’m surprised young people can raise the energy to wank.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Y knot?
Surely it’s a possibility.
As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
I doubt that discouragement of masturbation had much effect on the average incidence of masturbation.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
I doubt that discouragement of masturbation had much effect on the average incidence of masturbation.
that’s a no brainer.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
It has nothing to do with it. It is largely about a shit diet and bad genetics passed down.
You can’t possibly know that.
And the “bad genetics” is very unlikely. Not enough time for a big effect.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:As monkeys, apes & dolphins masturbate it seems to be part of nature.
Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
I doubt that discouragement of masturbation had much effect on the average incidence of masturbation.
I think it probably did.
Why wouldn’t it?
Indoctrination and community expectations have a big effect on how kids behave.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Sure, but we are talking about a particular sub-set of a particular species, where masturbation was strenuously discouraged for a long period of time, and where the relaxation of the discouragement is coincident with a change in measured sperm levels (maybe).
It may be coincidence, but maybe it isn’t.
I doubt that discouragement of masturbation had much effect on the average incidence of masturbation.
I think it probably did.
Why wouldn’t it?
Indoctrination and community expectations have a big effect on how kids behave.
Cardinal Pell did say, “give me a child until he is seven and you will never change him”. Which is absolute crap. The catholic church actually turned me against them.
Look at this way – men who ejaculate during frequent sexual intercourse with a female partner have the best chance of becoming fathers.
It shouldn’t make any difference to the sperm count whether frequent ejaculation occurs in that context or via masturbation.
> Does frequent masturbation affect male fertility?
Frequent male masturbation isn’t likely to have much effect on your ability to get your partner pregnant.
Some data shows that optimum semen quality occurs after two to three days of no ejaculation. But other research suggests that men who have normal sperm quality maintain normal sperm motility and concentrations even with daily ejaculation.
Ultimately, having sexual intercourse with ejaculation several times a week will maximize your chances of getting your partner pregnant, whether you masturbate or not.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/male-infertility/expert-answers/male-masturbation/faq-20058426
The analysis did not explore reasons for the decline, but researchers said falling sperm counts have previously been linked to various factors such as exposure to certain chemicals and pesticides, smoking, stress and obesity.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:I doubt that discouragement of masturbation had much effect on the average incidence of masturbation.
I think it probably did.
Why wouldn’t it?
Indoctrination and community expectations have a big effect on how kids behave.
Cardinal Pell did say, “give me a child until he is seven and you will never change him”. Which is absolute crap. The catholic church actually turned me against them.
I agree that’s absolute crap (even though it was said by someone much earlier than Pell), but that doesn’t mean that religious preachings have no effect on how young people behave, even in private.
There must be some statistics on this (although how reliable they are would of course be debatable).
We could have a mass debate about it if someone can come up with the numbers.
blame antidepressants
roughbarked said:
The analysis did not explore reasons for the decline, but researchers said falling sperm counts have previously been linked to various factors such as exposure to certain chemicals and pesticides, smoking, stress and obesity.
And falling relative to what. Maybe the base figure was abnormally high & this count is falling to normal.
Bubblecar said:
Look at this way – men who ejaculate during frequent sexual intercourse with a female partner have the best chance of becoming fathers.It shouldn’t make any difference to the sperm count whether frequent ejaculation occurs in that context or via masturbation.
> Does frequent masturbation affect male fertility?
Frequent male masturbation isn’t likely to have much effect on your ability to get your partner pregnant.
Some data shows that optimum semen quality occurs after two to three days of no ejaculation. But other research suggests that men who have normal sperm quality maintain normal sperm motility and concentrations even with daily ejaculation.
Ultimately, having sexual intercourse with ejaculation several times a week will maximize your chances of getting your partner pregnant, whether you masturbate or not.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/male-infertility/expert-answers/male-masturbation/faq-20058426
Well that’s mixing up “sperm count” with probability of getting a woman pregnant.
And it says that there is some data suggesting that frequent ejaculation reduces sperm count, then dismisses it without giving any reason.
So highly inconclusive.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Look at this way – men who ejaculate during frequent sexual intercourse with a female partner have the best chance of becoming fathers.It shouldn’t make any difference to the sperm count whether frequent ejaculation occurs in that context or via masturbation.
> Does frequent masturbation affect male fertility?
Frequent male masturbation isn’t likely to have much effect on your ability to get your partner pregnant.
Some data shows that optimum semen quality occurs after two to three days of no ejaculation. But other research suggests that men who have normal sperm quality maintain normal sperm motility and concentrations even with daily ejaculation.
Ultimately, having sexual intercourse with ejaculation several times a week will maximize your chances of getting your partner pregnant, whether you masturbate or not.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/male-infertility/expert-answers/male-masturbation/faq-20058426
Well that’s mixing up “sperm count” with probability of getting a woman pregnant.
And it says that there is some data suggesting that frequent ejaculation reduces sperm count, then dismisses it without giving any reason.
So highly inconclusive.
“two to three days of no ejaculation” suggests that masturbation is completely irrelevant.
And before the advent of puritanical religion, there were presumably no strictures against masturbation, but the species certainly survived such unbridled licentiousness.
Bubblecar said:
And before the advent of puritanical religion, there were presumably no strictures against masturbation, but the species certainly survived such unbridled licentiousness.
What does that have to do with the discussion?
Did someone suggest that unbridled licentiousness might lead to the demise of the species?
The question is purely about a possible drop in sperm count in recent years, which may or may not have any connection with probability of starting a pregnancy.
I mean it’s quite possible that fewer but fresher sperm are the ideal thing for starting off a healthy baby.
I wonder if any household chemicals contribute to falling sperm rates?
> Male sperm counts have fallen 60pc in 40 years.
In response to the population explosion.