It should be of no surprise to anyone that the Redalertpolitics.com site article that The_observer pasted to the other OP is fake news. Please go and check out the New Jersey Homeland Security pages: they don’t declare or describe Antifa as a terrorist organisation.

They do describe them as anarchist extremists, but that’s not the same thing.

Nicely, they also provide this graphic on the number of domestic terrorist operations carried out by various categories in the US since 2015 and fuck me sideways if the winner is not White Supremacist Extremists with 26. The runner-up is Sovereign Citizen Extremists with 17 and then Militia Extremists on 12.

NJ HS Domestic Terrorism 2015-Present Group vs Group Comparison

NJ HS Domestic Terrorism Analysis Home Page 2015-Present

dv said:

It should be of no surprise to anyone that the Redalertpolitics.com site article that The_observer pasted to the other OP is fake news. Please go and check out the New Jersey Homeland Security pages: they don’t declare or describe Antifa as a terrorist organisation.

They do describe them as anarchist extremists, but that’s not the same thing.

Nicely, they also provide this graphic on the number of domestic terrorist operations carried out by various categories in the US since 2015 and fuck me sideways if the winner is not White Supremacist Extremists with 26. The runner-up is Sovereign Citizen Extremists with 17 and then Militia Extremists on 12.

NJ HS Domestic Terrorism 2015-Present Group vs Group Comparison

NJ HS Domestic Terrorism Analysis Home Page 2015-Present

I’m paying attention.

You still support ANTIFA, dv, whatever you want to lable them. You support violence. You support ANTIFA, who use violence against civilians.

Violence commented against civilians by a group is terrorism.

You support terrorism.

You can still denounce ANTIFA dv, if you are a decent person.

If you don’t denounce Antifa & their use of violence against civilians you are not a decent person, you are scum!

I mean seriously … it took me like a minute to fact check this. It’s not difficult.

The_observer said:

You still support ANTIFA, dv, whatever you want to lable them. You support violence. You support ANTIFA, who use violence against civilians.

Violence commented against civilians by a group is terrorism.

You support terrorism.

You can still denounce ANTIFA dv, if you are a decent person.

If you don’t denounce Antifa & their use of violence against civilians you are not a decent person, you are scum!

Oh shut the fuck up, you weird little creepy shit.

Okay, now I can take a quick nap.

kii said:

The_observer said:

You still support ANTIFA, dv, whatever you want to lable them. You support violence. You support ANTIFA, who use violence against civilians.

Violence commented against civilians by a group is terrorism.

You support terrorism.

You can still denounce ANTIFA dv, if you are a decent person.

If you don’t denounce Antifa & their use of violence against civilians you are not a decent person, you are scum!

Oh shut the fuck up, you weird little creepy shit.

Okay, now I can take a quick nap.

R un along whinging whore

Frank Sinatra – Somethin’ Stupid

Lets be honest & clear on the difference between anachism & terrorism.

Amy Zalman, Ph.D. says – anarchists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists, or associated with terrorism because most anarchists are actually against the use of violence to achieve political aims.

ANTIFA are renowned for violence.

The Dr also says violence by anarchists was historically directed at political figures, not civilians, quote – as terrorism is.”

ANTIFA, unlike anarchists, use violence & intimidation as their main form of action.

Also, ANTIFA use violence against civilians, the opposite of anarchists.

ANTIFA place labels on civilians who have opinions they disagree with to justify their use of violence against them.

The_observer said:

Amy Zalman, Ph.D. says – anarchists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists, or associated with terrorism because most anarchists are actually against the use of violence to achieve political aims.

Many terrorists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists or associated with terrorism. Some consider themselves to be freedom fighters, liberationists, defenders of the people, fighting unjust regimes.

Note insurgents are a different deal.

In short, the Ph.D really shouldn’t care what anarchists themselves would care to be considered as if he wants to be at all consistent.

The_observer said:

kii said:

The_observer said:

You still support ANTIFA, dv, whatever you want to lable them. You support violence. You support ANTIFA, who use violence against civilians.

Violence commented against civilians by a group is terrorism.

You support terrorism.

You can still denounce ANTIFA dv, if you are a decent person.

If you don’t denounce Antifa & their use of violence against civilians you are not a decent person, you are scum!

Oh shut the fuck up, you weird little creepy shit.

Okay, now I can take a quick nap.

R un along whinging whore

I beg your pardon?

Are you using the insult guidelines from that insane former forum member, BC?

kii said:

The_observer said:

kii said:

Oh shut the fuck up, you weird little creepy shit.

Okay, now I can take a quick nap.

R un along whinging whore

I beg your pardon?

Are you using the insult guidelines from that insane former forum member, BC?

seems some here would much prefer posts like this than some nice music. sad.

JudgeMental said:

kii said:

The_observer said:

R un along whinging whore

I beg your pardon?

Are you using the insult guidelines from that insane former forum member, BC?

seems some here would much prefer posts like this than some nice music. sad.

I was enjoying the playlist. Not playing them now, because the deaf old guy finds that real music hurts his ears.

JudgeMental said:

kii said:

The_observer said:

R un along whinging whore

I beg your pardon?

Are you using the insult guidelines from that insane former forum member, BC?

seems some here would much prefer posts like this than some nice music. sad.

You mean me? I just have this quaint idea that in a forum you can debate ideas and points of view, or you can ignore them and let them die. I am not a fan of people appointing themselves as guardians of what I can see or engage with by attempting to drown out and troll a thread, that’s just a form of censorship.

You may commence your song lists.

kii said:

JudgeMental said:

kii said:

I beg your pardon?

Are you using the insult guidelines from that insane former forum member, BC?

seems some here would much prefer posts like this than some nice music. sad.

I was enjoying the playlist. Not playing them now, because the deaf old guy finds that real music hurts his ears.

I’m happy the music appealed to some. though it was mainly for my own listening pleasure.

JudgeMental said:

kii said:

JudgeMental said:

seems some here would much prefer posts like this than some nice music. sad.

I was enjoying the playlist. Not playing them now, because the deaf old guy finds that real music hurts his ears.

I’m happy the music appealed to some. though it was mainly for my own listening pleasure.

I just found it annoying.

Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass – Zorba The Greek

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

kii said:

I was enjoying the playlist. Not playing them now, because the deaf old guy finds that real music hurts his ears.

I’m happy the music appealed to some. though it was mainly for my own listening pleasure.

I just found it annoying.

can’t please everyone. i find troll feeders annoying but they don’t seem to take my feelings into consideration.

Jerry Lee Lewis – Great Balls of Fire

the girl from ipanema (original version from 1962)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/confederate-monuments-civil-war-history-trump
‘Changing history’? No – 32 Confederate monuments dedicated in past 17 years

“You are changing history,” Donald Trump said on Tuesday of efforts to remove Confederate monuments in Charlottesville, Virginia, and elsewhere across the United States. “You’re changing culture.”

History about as old as the George W Bush presidency, it turns out in a surprising number of cases – and culture stretching back to the heyday of Britney Spears.

Thirty-two Confederate memorials have been dedicated in the past 17 years, according to a survey by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). That’s at least 135 years after the demise of the secessionist movement the monuments ostensibly celebrate.

The symbols include public schools, plaques and monuments, such as a stone in St Cloud, Florida, engraved in honor of Confederate soldiers and of Florida’s cattlemen and farmers “who risked their lives and fortunes to supply our troops fighting in defense of their families, state and nation”.

Iowa, a Union state, has three Confederate monuments, all dedicated after 2000.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

I’m happy the music appealed to some. though it was mainly for my own listening pleasure.

I just found it annoying.

can’t please everyone. i find troll feeders annoying but they don’t seem to take my feelings into consideration.

True.

I do find it a bit surprising though that some people find the music links the most annoying feature of this thread.

AwesomeO said:

The_observer said:

Amy Zalman, Ph.D. says – anarchists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists, or associated with terrorism because most anarchists are actually against the use of violence to achieve political aims.

Many terrorists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists or associated with terrorism. Some consider themselves to be freedom fighters, liberationists, defenders of the people, fighting unjust regimes.

Note insurgents are a different deal.

In short, the Ph.D really shouldn’t care what anarchists themselves would care to be considered as if he wants to be at all consistent.

I’d say that most terrorists celebrate their terrorism. What would be the point if they didn’t?

I have no idea what the degree of terrorism is in the Antifa movement, but assuming that it is correct that there are at least some members of that movement who are against the use of violence for political aims, then it is quite reasonable to point out that those people are not terrorists, just as it is possible to be a white supremacist or a Islamic fundamentalist without supporting terrorism.

The Rev Dodgson said:

AwesomeO said:

The_observer said:

Amy Zalman, Ph.D. says – anarchists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists, or associated with terrorism because most anarchists are actually against the use of violence to achieve political aims.

Many terrorists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists or associated with terrorism. Some consider themselves to be freedom fighters, liberationists, defenders of the people, fighting unjust regimes.

Note insurgents are a different deal.

In short, the Ph.D really shouldn’t care what anarchists themselves would care to be considered as if he wants to be at all consistent.

I’d say that most terrorists celebrate their terrorism. What would be the point if they didn’t?

I have no idea what the degree of terrorism is in the Antifa movement, but assuming that it is correct that there are at least some members of that movement who are against the use of violence for political aims, then it is quite reasonable to point out that those people are not terrorists, just as it is possible to be a white supremacist or a Islamic fundamentalist without supporting terrorism.

dv supports the violence of ANTIFA, FACT

The_observer said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

AwesomeO said:

Many terrorists themselves argue that they should not be considered terrorists or associated with terrorism. Some consider themselves to be freedom fighters, liberationists, defenders of the people, fighting unjust regimes.

Note insurgents are a different deal.

In short, the Ph.D really shouldn’t care what anarchists themselves would care to be considered as if he wants to be at all consistent.

I’d say that most terrorists celebrate their terrorism. What would be the point if they didn’t?

I have no idea what the degree of terrorism is in the Antifa movement, but assuming that it is correct that there are at least some members of that movement who are against the use of violence for political aims, then it is quite reasonable to point out that those people are not terrorists, just as it is possible to be a white supremacist or a Islamic fundamentalist without supporting terrorism.

dv supports the violence of ANTIFA, FACT

newt, crispy & a couple of other participants here support Antifa & their violence as well.

The scumbags have outed themselves on these threads. You people are NO BETTER than nazis.

Must have taken some guts to come up against a bunch of young fellows carrying flaming torches, armed with semi automatic weapons. Must have taken some guts to be amongst the people who were mown down by a car.

Count me in as being against facism.

You people are NO BETTER than nazis.

————

I thought that you were the Nazi.. at least fellow traveller.

Here’s something to mull -

Deaths due to extremism in USA

Far Right 74%
Islamist 24%
Far Left 2%

ruby said:

Must have taken some guts to come up against a bunch of young fellows carrying flaming torches, armed with semi automatic weapons. Must have taken some guts to be amongst the people who were mown down by a car.

Count me in as being against facism.

Yeh, I’m against it too Ruby.

But I’m also just as much against the use of violence by ANTIFA. Violence against other people for an opinion they hold.

Do you agree with ANTIFA’s use of violence, which includes violence against police Ruby?

Do you support violence against people Ruby?

Because if you support ANTIFA you support violence!

Hmmmmm what music to listen to today?

Bogsnorkler said:

Hmmmmm what music to listen to today?

Some long winded stuff?

Bogsnorkler said:

Hmmmmm what music to listen to today?

There would seem a body to choose from.

kii said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Hmmmmm what music to listen to today?

Some long winded stuff?

it is a pity you can’t make it play in this forum automatically.

:-)

kii said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Hmmmmm what music to listen to today?

Some long winded stuff?

How about some poetry?

The slain in Spain

Fall to muslim jihad campaign

Yet again & again

Islam is insane, its plain

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Hmmmmm what music to listen to today?

There would seem a body to choose from.

Good to see the terrorist supporters are up & about, post away.

Nazis coming to town?