https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov

After studying political science at the University of Toronto for two years, Bezmenov was hired by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in 1972, broadcasting to the Soviet Union as part of the CBC’s International Service. In 1976, the KGB successfully used the Soviet ambassador to Canada to persuade Canadian prime minister Pierre Trudeau to apply pressure to have him removed from that position, and Bezmenov began free-lance journalism. He later became a consultant for Almanac Panorama of the World Information Network.

Guess who Pierre Trudeau’s son is today

Bezmenov talks about “sleepers” and destabilisation techniques

If its true then it explains lots of whats happening. Bezmenov says that social destabilisation is more effective in wars because it deconstructs the enemy’s society. According to him it takes say 20 – 30 years and from that point starts snowballing to completely destroy society.

“Guess who Pierre Trudeau’s son is today”

Alexandre Trudeau,

Nah just joking no relation

Theres stuff floating around with dialogues from bezmenov, interesting to see how the soviet intelligence machine worked though.

Its probably come from a handbook on social destabilisation.

Your point eludes me

One-party systems have the luxury of time.

Plans can be projected over decades, in the knowledge that you, or your anointed successors, will be in place to reap the benefits.

The Russians were happy to have small but incremental gains. Those gains were offset to a large extent by domestic discontent and disruption, so it was ‘one step forward, one step back’. For those in the business, it was enough that ‘gains’ could be reported to those above.

The Chinese are playing a similar game, but won’t be content to wait as long. They’re going to want to see some significant ‘gains’ within the next decade. We’re going to see increasing agitation and demands, and we’ll be very poorly positioned to say ‘no’ to very many of them.

dv said:

Your point eludes me

I have that feeling much might elude you

If you are interested have a look , if not please return to your normal viewing

We’ve had the “arab spring”, now we are witnessing new protests about western society, smashing up statues and imposing language barriers ( you can’t say this or that) 1984 discusses how society is controlled by language and “logic”.

I think what we are seeing now is a ramping up by forces unknown to start deconstructing our society.

Divided we fall

Bezmenov’s death was reported in 1993, but his death certificate has been described as “vague and suspect”, with details unclear. This has led to suggestions that there was more to his death than met the eye, a faked death.

He died at 54.

The soviets were very much like every society – they thought they would be there forever

Given the current destabilization activities in america we should probably start preparing for a post american century world where they just won’t exist.

mcgoon said:

One-party systems have the luxury of time.

Plans can be projected over decades, in the knowledge that you, or your anointed successors, will be in place to reap the benefits.

The Russians were happy to have small but incremental gains. Those gains were offset to a large extent by domestic discontent and disruption, so it was ‘one step forward, one step back’. For those in the business, it was enough that ‘gains’ could be reported to those above.

The Chinese are playing a similar game, but won’t be content to wait as long. They’re going to want to see some significant ‘gains’ within the next decade. We’re going to see increasing agitation and demands, and we’ll be very poorly positioned to say ‘no’ to very many of them.

They can’t wait long, with the one child policy they are looking at the mother of all demographic bombs. Lots of old people, bugger all young ones.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bezmenov’s death was reported in 1993, but his death certificate has been described as “vague and suspect”, with details unclear. This has led to suggestions that there was more to his death than met the eye, a faked death.

He died at 54.

I died at 53.

So young shakes head

AwesomeO said:

mcgoon said:

One-party systems have the luxury of time.

Plans can be projected over decades, in the knowledge that you, or your anointed successors, will be in place to reap the benefits.

The Russians were happy to have small but incremental gains. Those gains were offset to a large extent by domestic discontent and disruption, so it was ‘one step forward, one step back’. For those in the business, it was enough that ‘gains’ could be reported to those above.

The Chinese are playing a similar game, but won’t be content to wait as long. They’re going to want to see some significant ‘gains’ within the next decade. We’re going to see increasing agitation and demands, and we’ll be very poorly positioned to say ‘no’ to very many of them.

They can’t wait long, with the one child policy they are looking at the mother of all demographic bombs. Lots of old people, bugger all young ones.

Bugger all females, or at least not enough to go around.

wookiemeister said:

now we are witnessing new protests about western society

As the US Commerce Secretary noted recently, he didn’t see a single protester while he was in Saudi Arabia.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bezmenov’s death was reported in 1993, but his death certificate has been described as “vague and suspect”, with details unclear. This has led to suggestions that there was more to his death than met the eye, a faked death.

He died at 54.

I died at 53.

So young shakes head

and you couldn’t even do that properly!!!

poor ole stumpy coulda done with a kidney or two, too.

• Bugger all females

I expect that might be where they are getting things wrong…

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

mcgoon said:

One-party systems have the luxury of time.

Plans can be projected over decades, in the knowledge that you, or your anointed successors, will be in place to reap the benefits.

The Russians were happy to have small but incremental gains. Those gains were offset to a large extent by domestic discontent and disruption, so it was ‘one step forward, one step back’. For those in the business, it was enough that ‘gains’ could be reported to those above.

The Chinese are playing a similar game, but won’t be content to wait as long. They’re going to want to see some significant ‘gains’ within the next decade. We’re going to see increasing agitation and demands, and we’ll be very poorly positioned to say ‘no’ to very many of them.

They can’t wait long, with the one child policy they are looking at the mother of all demographic bombs. Lots of old people, bugger all young ones.

Bugger all females, or at least not enough to go around.

I had to read that twice…

wookiemeister said:

The soviets were very much like every society – they thought they would be there forever

Given the current destabilization activities in america we should probably start preparing for a post american century world where they just won’t exist.

Why would the US not exist? If push comes to shove, an American/European alliance could hold its own against either China or India for quite some time to come.

• poor ole stumpy coulda done with a kidney or two, too.

I think he dodged a bullet there…

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

mcgoon said:

One-party systems have the luxury of time.

Plans can be projected over decades, in the knowledge that you, or your anointed successors, will be in place to reap the benefits.

The Russians were happy to have small but incremental gains. Those gains were offset to a large extent by domestic discontent and disruption, so it was ‘one step forward, one step back’. For those in the business, it was enough that ‘gains’ could be reported to those above.

The Chinese are playing a similar game, but won’t be content to wait as long. They’re going to want to see some significant ‘gains’ within the next decade. We’re going to see increasing agitation and demands, and we’ll be very poorly positioned to say ‘no’ to very many of them.

They can’t wait long, with the one child policy they are looking at the mother of all demographic bombs. Lots of old people, bugger all young ones.

Bugger all females, or at least not enough to go around.

Yes, bugger all females feeds into bugger all young ones.

AwesomeO said:

mcgoon said:

One-party systems have the luxury of time.

Plans can be projected over decades, in the knowledge that you, or your anointed successors, will be in place to reap the benefits.

The Russians were happy to have small but incremental gains. Those gains were offset to a large extent by domestic discontent and disruption, so it was ‘one step forward, one step back’. For those in the business, it was enough that ‘gains’ could be reported to those above.

The Chinese are playing a similar game, but won’t be content to wait as long. They’re going to want to see some significant ‘gains’ within the next decade. We’re going to see increasing agitation and demands, and we’ll be very poorly positioned to say ‘no’ to very many of them.

They can’t wait long, with the one child policy they are looking at the mother of all demographic bombs. Lots of old people, bugger all young ones.

Supposedly

Maybe its a zero sum game

We go down, they go down , either way we are equal

Russia is different though, ideologically its much stronger , there are no “minorities” and “diversity” with lots of people screaming for attention and entitlement. Our society has shifted down a gear by pandering to idiots, at one point it was mooted that sydneys beaches would have to be closed because some stupid back packer broke his neck diving into shallow water where there was signage telling you of the danger.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

The soviets were very much like every society – they thought they would be there forever

Given the current destabilization activities in america we should probably start preparing for a post american century world where they just won’t exist.

Why would the US not exist? If push comes to shove, an American/European alliance could hold its own against either China or India for quite some time to come.

Ah, the American/European alliance, I remember that…

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

The soviets were very much like every society – they thought they would be there forever

Given the current destabilization activities in america we should probably start preparing for a post american century world where they just won’t exist.

Why would the US not exist? If push comes to shove, an American/European alliance could hold its own against either China or India for quite some time to come.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-us-power-to-collapse-predicted-ussr-fall-johan-galtung-a7460516.html

wookiemeister said:

Russia is different though, ideologically its much stronger

Russia is in a crippling recession. They basically have not had any kind of recovery from the global financial crisis.

, there are no “minorities” and “diversity”

Russia is one of the most ethnically diverse countries on the planet, there are nearly 200 ethnic groups officially designated as nationalities within Russia, dozens of which have their own republics.

Are you preparing for the Wrongness Olympics or something?

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia is different though, ideologically its much stronger

Russia is in a crippling recession. They basically have not had any kind of recovery from the global financial crisis.

, there are no “minorities” and “diversity”

Russia is one of the most ethnically diverse countries on the planet, there are nearly 200 ethnic groups officially designated as nationalities within Russia, dozens of which have their own republics.

Are you preparing for the Wrongness Olympics or something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

• Are you preparing for the Wrongness Olympics or something?

He was distracted by a toll road. By the way, toll roads are ridiculous…

dv said:

wookiemeister said:

Russia is different though, ideologically its much stronger

Russia is in a crippling recession. They basically have not had any kind of recovery from the global financial crisis.

, there are no “minorities” and “diversity”

Russia is one of the most ethnically diverse countries on the planet, there are nearly 200 ethnic groups officially designated as nationalities within Russia, dozens of which have their own republics.

Are you preparing for the Wrongness Olympics or something?

No your’re not reading what i said

I said ideologically stronger

Its our brainwashing that makes people see offence/ diversity/ racism from everything from statues to cakes

furious said:

• Are you preparing for the Wrongness Olympics or something?

He was distracted by a toll road. By the way, toll roads are ridiculous…

There’s a history of mismanagement and corruption associated with toll roads in Australia. I’d probably avoid them.

All roads lead to roam

I think it is probably your brainwashing that makes you so adverse to diversity, wookie.

wookiemeister said:

Russia is different though, ideologically its much stronger , there are no “minorities” and “diversity” with lots of people screaming for attention and entitlement.

No minorities? The Russian Federation is quite ethnically diverse for an old-world nation.

Unless you are in the business of delivering compost in which case all loads lead to loam

• All roads lead to roam

You should put that on a t-shirt…

dv said:

Are you preparing for the Wrongness Olympics or something?

Would be strong contender in the Makeitupasyougoalong Marathon.

Oh dear.

Please read back on what i wrote. I can’t keep explaining to people all night

• all loads lead to loam

You should probably keep that away from t-shirts…

Some probably see Putin’s murder of journalists and dissidents as a sign of strength but to my mind it is indicative of weakness. If you were a good leader, you wouldn’t have to do this.

dv said:

Unless you are in the business of delivering compost in which case all loads lead to loam

Or a firefighter, where all roads lead to foam.

furious said:

• All roads lead to roam

You should put that on a t-shirt…

It would only make people angry

What about a nice t shirt with a rainbow with “diversity” on it and a unicorn jumping over it whilst doing a shit ?

• Some probably see Putin’s murder of journalists and dissidents as a sign of strength but to my mind it is indicative of weakness. If you were a good leader, you wouldn’t have to do this.

✔

dv said:

Some probably see Putin’s murder of journalists and dissidents as a sign of strength but to my mind it is indicative of weakness. If you were a good leader, you wouldn’t have to do this.

Different logic

1 kill off dissent

How many demonstrations did you see in hiroshima aftee they dropped the bomb ?

So yeah that was a shitty example of a country without diversity, wooks.

I suppose the least diverse country on earth is North Korea.

dv said:

So yeah that was a shitty example of a country without diversity, wooks.

I suppose the least diverse country on earth is North Korea.

Even they manage to capture the occasional westerner.

dv said:

So yeah that was a shitty example of a country without diversity, wooks.

I suppose the least diverse country on earth is North Korea.

Ideologically you would be tempted to assume that north korea was ideologically united

But no one really knows whats happening in NK

Killing tourists is a bad sign though

dv said:

So yeah that was a shitty example of a country without diversity, wooks.

I suppose the least diverse country on earth is North Korea.

Japan would be way up there. They don’t even like the ethnic Japanese returning home from South America.

• Killing tourists is a bad sign though

If they hadn’t a done what I told them not to do they would still be alive…

China doesnt allow diversity

Falun gong followers got sent to gulags

The chinese system understands that large numbers of people subscribing to a particular belief system is a danger.

Religion is dangerous

After the short lived revolution in china thirty years ago people just disappeared/ gaoled.

Turkey is doing the same thing to shore up its ideological walls.

• The chinese system understands that large numbers of people subscribing to a particular belief system is a danger.

Yeah, communism, its the worst…

Speaking of generational sleeper-cells, the Catholic infiltration of the Liberal Party is going swimmingly.

Vietnam is worried that Trump’s weakness is making China strong

http://www.theage.com.au/world/vietnam-is-worried-that-trump-s-weakness-is-making-china-strong-20170826-p4yvkg.html

https://youtu.be/791tx2ex8rM

Heres some more from yuri

To take a leaf from the playbook, the social justice warrior is a useful idiot needed to subvert and deconstruct existing society.

This explains why such groups even “peace” groups are eatched and evaluated

And…..

This explains George orwell, once a socialist and knowing everything of left wing ideology he eventually understands the end point and becomes an enemy of the “left” writing books exposing the fallacy of the system.

Interesting point

Watching the yuri bezmenov talks from the 1970s

“Russia today” was actually a soviet propaganda magazine , today “Russia Today” is a a Russian internet propaganda news site. You’d think they would have changed the name.

wookiemeister said:

dv said:

Your point eludes me

I have that feeling much might elude you

If you are interested have a look , if not please return to your normal viewing

We’ve had the “arab spring”, now we are witnessing new protests about western society, smashing up statues and imposing language barriers ( you can’t say this or that) 1984 discusses how society is controlled by language and “logic”.

I think what we are seeing now is a ramping up by forces unknown to start deconstructing our society.

Divided we fall

I like that you can see clearly what is happening wookie.

But you’re mostly talking to lying scum in this forum who support the destruction of traditional western society.

Talking about “deconstructing our society” the left and Antifa, in every western society it seems, are communist terrorist organisations with a hatred of capitalism & the conservative thinker. They give a label to everyone they disagree with, typically racist, to justify using violence against them. Even iInnocent people waiting in a line up to enter a building to listen to a conservative speaker receive Antifa’s repulsive violent attention.

People on this forum, like dv, support Antifa & their use of violence against innocent people because dv is himself an extreme left-wing dogmatist.

A reasonable person with any insight can see the total bullshit dv sprouts here, & most just gobble it up.

You shouldn’t waste any more of your valuable time, wookie, arguing with anyone here.

You’re simply talking to the enemy

>Russia is different though, ideologically its much stronger

Hahaha :)

Yes, there’s always a lot less dissent under authoritarian regimes that ruthlessly stamp it out.

But if you have to suppress dissent in order to cling onto power, that’s actually a sign of weakness, not strength.

Bubblecar said:

>Russia is different though, ideologically its much stronger

Hahaha :)

Yes, there’s always a lot less dissent under authoritarian regimes that ruthlessly stamp it out.

But if you have to suppress dissent in order to cling onto power, that’s actually a sign of weakness, not strength.

Quite, quite.
Probably in 1983, wook was thinking that the Soviet Union was really strong.

>>But you’re mostly talking to lying scum in this forum who support the destruction of traditional western society.<<

Don’t think so Observer, the traditional western society is going its own way by its own volition. There are simply too many people with radical views that now have the internet to express them to many people, whereas before they were seldom heard and so their influence was much less. The world is changing, it is inevitable.

>>Talking about “deconstructing our society” the left and Antifa, in every western society it seems, are communist terrorist organisations with a hatred of capitalism & the conservative thinker. They give a label to everyone they disagree with, typically racist, to justify using violence against them. Even iInnocent people waiting in a line up to enter a building to listen to a conservative speaker receive Antifa’s repulsive violent attention.<<

I don’t think there is a ‘‘hatred” of capitalism & the conservative thinker here, only of an excess of it where it dominates.

>>People on this forum, like dv, support Antifa & their use of violence against innocent people because dv is himself an extreme left-wing dogmatist.<<

I don’t think so, most here would think both groups have irrational views and are a waste of breath.

>>A reasonable person with any insight can see the total bullshit dv sprouts here, & most just gobble it up.<<

Again I don’t think so, although he does present a strong defensive fighting position, where what he says needs to be viewed with increased caution.

>>You shouldn’t waste any more of your valuable time, wookie, arguing with anyone here.<<

You might be right as a lefty view of the world here is much stronger than a rightest view, although that is far from being non-existent.

>>You’re simply talking to the enemy<<

Not quite the enemy, just non-believers of your ideology.

I think bezmenov explains quite a lot.

He mentions back in 1976 that even if they started right now to stem the tide of destabilisation it would take 30 years to see any fruit.

Incredible commentary – facts do not dissuade the new thinkers

He also mentions “trivialities” that are blown out of proportion.

The soviet union collapses but the psych ops that they started would go on to cause the final blow to the United States.

wookiemeister said:

Interesting point

Watching the yuri bezmenov talks from the 1970s

“Russia today” was actually a soviet propaganda magazine , today “Russia Today” is a a Russian internet propaganda news site. You’d think they would have changed the name.

Scratch that

It was “look magazine” with the headline “Russia Today”