Date: 4/09/2017 14:12:40
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1113617
Subject: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

We share plenty of features with apes, but the shape of our feet isn’t one of them. So that makes the discovery of human-like footprints dating back 5.7 million years – a time when our ancestors were thought to still be getting around on ape-like feet – a surprising one. Further confounding the mystery is the fact that these prints were found in the Greek islands, implying hominins left Africa much earlier than our current narrative suggests.

http://newatlas.com/fossil-footprints-human-evolution/51163/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=68dc0ecfb0-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-68dc0ecfb0-92533145

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Date: 4/09/2017 14:31:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1113619
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

PermeateFree said:


We share plenty of features with apes, but the shape of our feet isn’t one of them. So that makes the discovery of human-like footprints dating back 5.7 million years – a time when our ancestors were thought to still be getting around on ape-like feet – a surprising one. Further confounding the mystery is the fact that these prints were found in the Greek islands, implying hominins left Africa much earlier than our current narrative suggests.

http://newatlas.com/fossil-footprints-human-evolution/51163/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=68dc0ecfb0-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-68dc0ecfb0-92533145

Intro to a recent NS article on a similar topic:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531400-500-who-are-you-how-the-story-of-human-origins-is-being-rewritten/

I don’t think they mentioned the Greek footprints, but there seems to be a lot of independent evidence pointing in the same direction.

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Date: 4/09/2017 14:43:55
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1113625
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

The Rev Dodgson said:


PermeateFree said:

We share plenty of features with apes, but the shape of our feet isn’t one of them. So that makes the discovery of human-like footprints dating back 5.7 million years – a time when our ancestors were thought to still be getting around on ape-like feet – a surprising one. Further confounding the mystery is the fact that these prints were found in the Greek islands, implying hominins left Africa much earlier than our current narrative suggests.

http://newatlas.com/fossil-footprints-human-evolution/51163/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=68dc0ecfb0-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-68dc0ecfb0-92533145

Intro to a recent NS article on a similar topic:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531400-500-who-are-you-how-the-story-of-human-origins-is-being-rewritten/

I don’t think they mentioned the Greek footprints, but there seems to be a lot of independent evidence pointing in the same direction.

It is beginning to look like the Piltdown Man might have been real after all.

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Date: 4/09/2017 20:26:22
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1113753
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

Laetoli.

“Dated to 3.7 million years ago, they were the oldest known evidence of hominin bipedalism at that time. Subsequently, older Ardipithecus ramidus fossils were found with features that suggest bipedalism. With the footprints there were other discoveries excavated at Laetoli including hominin and animal skeletal remains. Analysis of the footprints and skeletal structure showed clear evidence that bipedalism preceded enlarged brains in hominins. At a species level, the identity of the hominins who made the trace is obviously difficult to precisely construe; Australopithecus afarensis is the species most commonly proposed.”

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Date: 5/09/2017 12:51:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1113929
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

Another news article about this.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/evolution/footprint-find-on-crete-may-push-back-date-humans-began-to-walk-upright/news-story/2e60cbd7386573dd2a45c5cc9d79297d

But, well, anyone else see a problem with this? The feet that made the three best-defined footprints are grossly incompatible with each other.

In footprint one (top) the big toe is very much longer and the next three toes much shorter in turn.
In footprint two (middle) the toes are all almost the same length and the foot itself is much shorter.
Footprint three is different again.

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Date: 5/09/2017 13:11:45
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1113940
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

mollwollfumble said:


Another news article about this.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/evolution/footprint-find-on-crete-may-push-back-date-humans-began-to-walk-upright/news-story/2e60cbd7386573dd2a45c5cc9d79297d

But, well, anyone else see a problem with this? The feet that made the three best-defined footprints are grossly incompatible with each other.

In footprint one (top) the big toe is very much longer and the next three toes much shorter in turn.
In footprint two (middle) the toes are all almost the same length and the foot itself is much shorter.
Footprint three is different again.


Don’t think you can be over analytical with fossilised footprints, as prints are rarely exactly the same. I spend a lot of time looking at prints in my sandy soils, which can be very difficult to determine what similarly sized animal made which prints. Out of 10 prints, you may get only one that is clear enough to determine what made them. The photographed prints above when viewed as a track were obviously made by the same animal, with some prints being much clearer than others. Still the article you present is very interesting and provides additional information.

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Date: 5/09/2017 13:26:45
From: esselte
ID: 1113943
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

mollwollfumble said:


But, well, anyone else see a problem with this? The feet that made the three best-defined footprints are grossly incompatible with each other.

In footprint one (top) the big toe is very much longer and the next three toes much shorter in turn.
In footprint two (middle) the toes are all almost the same length and the foot itself is much shorter.
Footprint three is different again.

The tracks are similar in size and have consistent outlines across all the specimens. This is an oblique subtriangular shape formed by the combination of a heart-shaped, plantigrade sole with a narrow, tapering heel region, and an asymmetrical digit region with a large hallux and progressively smaller lateral digits that are all attached to the anterior margin of the sole. The tracks are therefore strongly entaxonic. There is no significant divide between the impressions of the first digit and lateral digits, although in well-preserved prints a gap of a few millimetres is sometimes visible, but in other examples the impressions are confluent. Both the entaxony and the lack of a gap between the hallux and other digits are evident even in the poorly preserved prints. None of the prints shows claw impressions. In a few prints the heel impression appears bulbous rather than narrow , but this is an effect produced by an unusually large expulsion rim; when the expulsion rim is small, the narrow and pointed shape of the heel impression is clearly visible. Three especially well-preserved prints provide morphological information about the feet of the trackmaker. The track shows a well-preserved set of digit impressions as well as part of a ball impression. The digit impressions form a strongly asymmetrical, curving array. The first digit impression is morphologically distinctive, larger than the other impressions, and slightly offset from them. There appear to be four lateral digits, though the boundaries between their impressions are somewhat indistinct. It is noteworthy that even though the tips of the digits have dug into the sediment, there is no trace of claw impressions. Much of the plantar surface appears to be preserved, apart from an L-shaped patch of adhering sediment with a long limb extending along the mid-lateral part of the sole, and a short limb marking the crease between sole and digits. The plantar surface includes a deep, rounded ball impression with its own small expulsion rim. The first digit impression is deep; it has a clear outline showing a narrow neck and an expanded, asymmetrically trapezoidal to oval pad. The impressions of digits II–IV have well-defined distal ends, but become less clear proximally. Digits II and III are slender and parallel-sided with squared-off ends; the impression of digit IV is shorter and oval with a slightly pointed tip. There is no clear impression of digit V. The depth of the ball impression and the apparent deflection towards the right of the digit impressions suggest that the foot rotated clockwise on the ball during the step. Fig. 9c is one of the largest prints, approximately 154 mm long. It divides into separate anterior and posterior parts, but the presence of circular displacement features surrounding the entire print show that both part were generated by a single footfall. The anterior part includes impressions of a hallux and four lateral digits.

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Date: 5/09/2017 13:36:24
From: esselte
ID: 1113944
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

my above post, quoted from:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001678781730113X

Possible hominin footprints from the late Miocene (c. 5.7 Ma) of Crete?

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Date: 5/09/2017 13:57:11
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1113949
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

esselte said:

my above post, quoted from:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001678781730113X

Possible hominin footprints from the late Miocene (c. 5.7 Ma) of Crete?

Thanks for that esselte, very interesting!

6. Conclusion

We have presented two alternative interpretations of the ichnites found at Trachilos. The hypothesis that the Trachilos trackmaker was a basal hominin carries substantial implications for early hominin biogeography, as well as for the development of bipedality and the entaxonic foot (Lockley et al., 2016). Given the challenging nature of this potential interpretation it might be considered prudent to delay taxonomic assignment. However, despite the fact that the full 3D anatomy of these tracks is not optimally preserved, they are not poor trace fossils. Their outlines are particularly clear and form the basis of the morphometric analysis presented here. Better and more numerous trace fossils are always to be desired, but equally one cannot ignore the currently available evidence and their potential implications, however challenging they may be. Further prospecting for ichnofossils and body fossils in the late Miocene of the eastern Mediterranean area has potential to resolve the identity of the Trachilos trackmaker and should be an urgent priority.

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Date: 5/09/2017 14:06:29
From: Cymek
ID: 1113950
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

Further prospecting for ichnofossils and body fossils in the late Miocene of the eastern Mediterranean area has potential to resolve the identity of the Trachilos trackmaker and should be an urgent priority.

I bet it was this guy

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Date: 5/09/2017 17:37:41
From: Michael V
ID: 1114037
Subject: re: Mysterious fossil footprints may cast doubt on human evolution timeline

Thanks. An interesting paper.

:)

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