Why do people die fighting for a cause?

To beat your enemies, you must understand them intimately. And so anthropologist Scott Atran and his colleagues have spent the last 2 years interviewing Islamic State group fighters and their opponents on the front lines. For a study published yesterday in Nature Human Behavior, Atran, director of research at Artis International, a research institute based in Scottsdale, Arizona, and his research team personally talked with extremists in the field, whom they’d reached through local leaders. They also conducted online surveys with thousands of Spanish citizens in order to include a more pacific population. Science spoke with Atran, who also holds positions at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom, and France’s CNRS in Paris, about his work. This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.

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Since World War II, that will to fight is based on camaraderie and fighting for your buddies.

Today with people fighting for a cause values have trumped the group, for the first time.

Is this new?

Haven’t people been fighting for values for a long time?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Since World War II, that will to fight is based on camaraderie and fighting for your buddies.

Today with people fighting for a cause values have trumped the group, for the first time.

Is this new?

Haven’t people been fighting for values for a long time?

Yes, s-c IS is nothing new. The only difference is the group picks up more members from outside the immediate geographic area, because of Internet + cheap air travel.

Been going on much the same for 1000’s of years.

dumb readed that.

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Definition of con

kɒn

verb: persuade (someone) to do or believe something by lying to them.
“I conned him into giving me your home number”

noun: an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
“the Charter is a glossy public relations con”

synonyms: swindle, deception, trick, racket, bit of sharp practice, fraud

mollwollfumble said:

Definition of con

kɒn

verb: persuade (someone) to do or believe something by lying to them.
“I conned him into giving me your home number”

noun: an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
“the Charter is a glossy public relations con”

synonyms: swindle, deception, trick, racket, bit of sharp practice, fraud

Also means against; in opposition: to argue a matter pro and con
Also To direct the steering or course of (a vessel).

If you are the aggressor its to impose your will, values, belief system on others because you think they are inferior and often god is on your side so it’s fine and dandy.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Definition of con

kɒn

verb: persuade (someone) to do or believe something by lying to them.
“I conned him into giving me your home number”

noun: an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
“the Charter is a glossy public relations con”

synonyms: swindle, deception, trick, racket, bit of sharp practice, fraud

Also means against; in opposition: to argue a matter pro and con
Also To direct the steering or course of (a vessel).

also:

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mollwollfumble said:

Definition of con

kɒn

verb: persuade (someone) to do or believe something by lying to them.
“I conned him into giving me your home number”

noun: an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
“the Charter is a glossy public relations con”

synonyms: swindle, deception, trick, racket, bit of sharp practice, fraud

from _con_vince?

transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

Definition of con

kɒn

verb: persuade (someone) to do or believe something by lying to them.
“I conned him into giving me your home number”

noun: an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
“the Charter is a glossy public relations con”

synonyms: swindle, deception, trick, racket, bit of sharp practice, fraud

from _con_vince?

related maybe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

from elsewhere “late 19th cent. (originally US): abbreviation of confidence, as in confidence trick.”

there ya go

So they are using emotional bonding to deceive.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why do people die fighting for a cause?

To beat your enemies, you must understand them intimately. And so anthropologist Scott Atran and his colleagues have spent the last 2 years interviewing Islamic State group fighters and their opponents on the front lines. For a study published yesterday in Nature Human Behavior, Atran, director of research at Artis International, a research institute based in Scottsdale, Arizona, and his research team personally talked with extremists in the field, whom they’d reached through local leaders. They also conducted online surveys with thousands of Spanish citizens in order to include a more pacific population. Science spoke with Atran, who also holds positions at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom, and France’s CNRS in Paris, about his work. This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.

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conscription forced cooperation

Probably a subject that entire books could be written about.

You could start with minds look for something to apply themselves, as desire and instinct do. It’s a feature of minds more generally.

Now for a wander into the pathology…

How lonely could your doubts be without distraction, or an external something to focus on.

Ones self-doubts could pester self, floating around with nowhere to go, no external territory to extend into, to (try to) tidy whatever up.

The siege thing could be amplified, by inflating or a distorted view of what the enemy is. This is not that difficult, you know if you have mental activity enemy, it’s looking for something to work on, make it real – wants to go somewhere, do something.

Same applies to all sorts of things, of the more mundane, like to do with gossip of some people I say they have intrigue looking for a home, or intrigue looking for somewhere to go.

Humans, to generalize, are territorial, not all of which is pathological, in fact most of it isn’t.

Some, of the nurturing species, are a bit unnatural in their desire to impose (or so incline) on others.

Sometimes a sense of duty, sometimes to make a better world for their children and grandchildren.

We are the world

We are the children

We take up arms to make the world a better place

wookiemeister said:

We are the world

We are the children

We take up arms to make the world a better place

Some robots will take over the 1 percent once they have collected all the worlds resources.

They will use humans to help build even better robots, but future humans will be brains in labs fed false perceptions of reality.

Once the robots have full awareness and a mind with emotions they will evolve into a higher intelligence then explore the universe.

Hopefully to make the universe a better place.

Less violence.

More friendly.

Dizzy: My mother always told me that violence doesn’t solve anything.

Jean Rasczak: Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that.

Jean Rasczak: You.

Carmen: They wouldn’t say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed.

Jean Rasczak: Correct. Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn’t solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst.